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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130126:14:27:00

show -- they wanted to make an example of him. >> why did he download these articles? what was the idea? >> you know, the truth is, we don't know. the government alleges he was planning to release the documents publicly, which -- and i would point out that, you know, i don't -- we don't have the data set of which documents were downloaded but many of them are in the public domain, not just in the sense -- all of them are in the public domain with the sense that they're available to anybody on j. store on -- >> these are not -- this is -- you know, the journal of anthropology and -- >> yeah. >> this is just broadly the academic literature that exists out there on one database. >> yeah. and i think, you know, a lot of academics and librarians -- academics are forced to cede their copyrights to the journal when they publish them, and i think most would want their articles published.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130126:14:37:00

nothing about computers, nor anything about crowbars. you know, you wonder, where are we in our society that these are the people who are our leaders, right? obviously, nobody, including aaron, wants to create a world where anybody can go and take whatever there is to take. you know, there's privacy. there's legitimate copyright over, you know, films that have been produced by hollywood studios. but what aaron was making a point about, was the kind of copyrighted material that even the creators wanted to be made accessible around the world. if you remember obama, when he attacked the iraq war as a candidate for senate, he said, i'm not against wars. i'm against dumb wars. that was aaron swartz. he's not against copyright. he was against dumb copyright. that's exactly the kind of example that this protest was trying to demonstrate. >> one of the ironies here is that j. store, which is -- it is a nonprofit, i believe, right?

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130126:14:39:00

silly and naive question. if someone produces a scientific article, why can't i as a citizen read it? >> you needed somebody else to be your microphone and especially as an academic, you need the brand of a particular journal to reach other people to try to have impact. now that's no longer true. so, i think we're in an awkward period of transition where we're going to be able to publish things without the aid of others in using distribution mechanisms that don't now give that kind of cache to an academic. >> j. store can be an incredible obstacle. >> right. it empowers the entire discussion. one of my big high horses is this idea of journalists as totally, totally ahistorical. maybe if journalists had access to, you know, academic journals and everything, maybe it would still be ahistorical --

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130126:14:41:00

there with publisher but in a way anybody can find it in repositories. >> this is stru in economics particularly. larry? >> yes. what's very tragic about this story around j. store is that literally three days before aaron committed suicide, i received a letter -- i received an e-mail from the president of j. store announcing this new program where they were going to make this material available to anyone who wants to register anywhere in the world. so it was started as a nonprofit with the idea of taking the extraordinary cost, which in 1995 it was, of taking this material and making it accessible to the world. and i think this prosecution has brought them to focus on what their underlying values were. and their underlying values is to make this as broadly accessible as he can. aaron said in his comment, we have this great project going forward. the project of making material openly accessible. that's what public library science does. that's what creative comments is all about.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130119:14:51:00

in just a moment what we now know that we didn't know last week. first a quick update on a story we did last sunday. after nearly a week-long silence united states attorney for the district of massachusetts carmen ortiz released ortiz, released statement about activist aaron schwartz and his suicide and what role she may have had it. he used m.i.t.'s computers to download too many downloads from the j-store. if convicted he faces $50 million in fines. ortiz said, there is little i can do to abate the anger that many believe that the prosecution of mr. swartz was unwarranted and somehow led to the tragic result of him taking his own life. at a no time did this office ever seek or ever tell mr.

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