we re on the west coast but the effects of hurricane irma are being felt all over this state still. there s a lot to report over the next two hours. we re going to be focusing on what happened in the caribbean where the storm has passed by the misery is remaining. there are now 16 deaths in the united states contributed to the storm. twelve of them here in the states and at least others in the caribbean. fema estimates 19 homes were damaged or completely destroyed. over the next two hours we ll hear from survivors who rode out the storm and people who coming home to see what s left behind or not left. virgin islands, the people there have told us they re feeling neglected. the three largest islands in the virgin islands, st. kroiks, st. thomas. here in the western side, they are shooting for september 22nd, that s next friday. more on that situation in a moment. first, we want to start in the keys. lisa, is a nurse who wrote out the storm in key west. i spoke to her by phone a few moments ago. lisa what s the situation in key west, what are you seeing around you? right now they re clearing the roads and debris in the key west, there s no power and the cell phones are not looking. i think people can look with a google map at houses. some houses have roof damage in key west. they have high winds but not destructive. big pine on the other hand, and sugar love, loaf i m hearing are destroyed. fema has not produced the feed they re suppose to or the amount of food. they brought some ere s not enough for people who lined up to get them. we had cell phone service for five minutes today. i have at&t and i found a landline, that s how we re communicating at aqua nightclub with harry hundredsman. you decided to stay behind, what was your thinking on staying behind? so we stayed here it was terrible. it flooded our home. had we not been here for wilma and couldn t have gotten in our home immediately to fix it, it would have been a disaster. there was sewage water, saltwater, people couldn t get back into town for a week and a half. i m also an rn so i do have the ability to help people, i m a volunteer for love is love foundation but i m also an rn period, i certainly can help. but mainly, i wanted to make sure my kids were out of town and we could get back, assess the damage and fix any problems. i think aaron was doing the same thing. once you re out you re out. it s going to take a long time for people to get back here. we ve got looters that are around. we had someone knocking on our door last night as a matter of fact. so, it s a situation where i d rather be here than away wondering what happened to the house. we have a curfew right now from sun down to sunset sun up. you were riding out the storm in a hotel, what was it like during the height of the storm? well, the hotel we were in a safe spot. the holt lost power and the sewage line was backing up so the hotel was not any good, but it was a safe spot. you asked why we didn t run too, until the very end we looked like we were going to be fine. key west looked like the only spot in florida that was going to be fine. so, where do you run to? my son went to alabama, we stayed back to assess the home damage. anderson i m going to have to go that you are curfewing us right now. all right. lisa i appreciate it. you stay safe. jointing me now on the phone is key west city manager, jim shoel. we have two deaths confirmed in the keys is that still accurate and how are authorities in key west trying to account for everyone? arneson, good evening. there were two deaths one was in key west, it wasn t immediately storm related we don t believe. the accountability of it, key west did not take a very major brunt of the storm. we don t have that much structural damage in key west, it is worst up the keys. but our biggest challenge thus far has been moving debris out of the road way so that the roads are passable. i don t know of any issues with people being trapped, we re not doing search and rescue in key west. i know there s still some some resources doing that up the keys from us where conditions were worse. key west is in the process of recovery. we got 80% of the roads passable now, they re moving the debris off to the sides of the road. we re going to start the clean-up process here soon where we go out and pick up all of the debris and get the town cleaned up. the biggest challenge we have is the lack of power, lack of water. and fortunately this evening we got our waste water treatment plant up and functioning but that will help us once the water gets turned on to be able to work our way back to normal operations for the city of key west. well, a lot of that is very good news. the department defense says there s more than 10 n,000 peop who rode out the storm may be evacuated. do you have any clarity on what s happening? do you think there will be a need to have large numbers of people evacuate from the keys if. anderson, i don t think so at all. we were not aware of that information. myself down here in key west and the monroe county emergency management folks, everybody who evacuated and heeded the order that was good. those that are here, we re working to obviously provide services and not overextend the resources that we had. daylight today. i live on the island of kudlow key, my house is still standing. the roof s intacted and the house was dry inside and so are all the neighbor s house around me. it s not as high a number of damage as being what is publicly proclaimed. that s certainly good news. we re trying to get as accurate information on relying on people like you and other officials. we appreciate it. go ahead jim. the statement made earlier that 90% of the homes in the keys have major damage and that s certainly nowhere near the case down here in key west and the immediate area. like i say up there in kudlow which was in the heart of the eye wall landing in my small neighborhood t not any major damage that i saw. well, that s really good to know again. we hear one official says one thing an estimate, and sometimes maybe they rode a chopper over and their guesstimating. we appreciate talking to you on the ground and you telling us what you ve seen in the keys. jim i appreciate it. the power outages is one of the biggest things at this point. nearly 5 million customers without power in florida. nearly more dark throughout the west in the southeast. in florida we ll see daytime high temperatures into the 90s this week. it s going to get pretty unpleasant. all that work s got to be done. no phone, communication, if you have a landline that could work. cnn s miguel marquez with more. we put the pork chop, chicken and sauce savaged, he gone tuck t sausage on the grill. reporter: how difficult is it to live day-to-day here? it s sad. and it s hard. because the stove don t even got no more meat when it s gone out we done. reporter: with many displaced by the hurricane, walker now has 8 people living if her house today, she s cooking for twelve and she still doesn t know when the lights are going to be upon. you keep calling they say they don t know when it s gone be back on. reporter: how many times have you called? 60 times. reporter: nearly 60% of the people live in poverty. as you can see all of our vegetables reporter: found tell has a wife and five kids. he works creating creole and english in a clinic. i couldn t get any milk, when but even if i had bought it i won t be able to store it. there nowhere else for you to go? there no where else to go. reporter: the town s grocery store open but no power, no milk or meat. reporter: every day you re without electricity how hard is life? very hard and stressful. reporter: here in cross florida there s not one problem but thousands. power lined toppled by winds, some snapped in half. trees fell every where bringing power lines down with them. crews from florida and beyond working around the clock but the damage widespread and massive. water and sometimes ice can t be distributed fast enough here. fresh food in short supply. i don t know what else we re going to eat. i drove far away to get some food there s no hope. reporter: where does the next male come from? no one knows. reporter: mayor steve wilson expects full power to be restored by the weekend. towns across florida facing unprecedented difficulties. this is one of the most diverse cities you have found. first time in the history we have had a mandatory evacuation. reporter: a record they never hope to repeat or break. cnn s miguel marquez joins us. how realistic in that community fol fo folks may get power back? reporter: the robs are so widespread. i do want to point out that this is tuesday night in downtown bell blade and it is dark. there are parts of the town that are starting to see electricity come back, other towns around here are also out. florida power and light says on the east coast they expect to have most of the problem zaedea with by this sunday. on the ws coast they say it will take up to the 22in next friday. here in the center of the state it s very unclear. the mayor s not making any hard promises but he hopes by the end of the weekend the lights will come back on here as well as the rest of the west coast of florida. anderson. appreciate that report today. thank you very much. fuel shortages in some places, people have a hard time getting around. dan gallagher with the latest on that. reporter: i can tell you right now we re in north tampa go ahead. what are they doing to combat this, what s the situation there? reporter: so anderson, the governor has done quite a bit at this point. he s waved the fuel tax on fuel entering the state. he has also made it to where there s a napa limit entering the state. he has waved that requirement there. it still doesn t seem to be enough. he s asked ten other states to also wave how much a vehicle can weigh, the driver restrictions just to get enough fuel as possible here. it s not working here. my producers and i got gas at this gas station three hours ago. since then, no fuel whatsoever. people are lining up. this man is waiting here. the governors made it anderson so there are highway patrol officers dedicated to bringing fuel tracks like this one through the state of florida. we ve watched this rolling sort of progress happen throughout the state. the supply does not outweigh the demand and that s the problem. so many people who are coming home from nr florida and other states tried to go down south, they have got they have fuel requirements, there are people here who many of them anderson don t have power in their house. they re using their cars as refuge. they re going in, it s very hot here trying to get ac. so they re running out of gas, they re running their cars in the ground. we talk to triple a s whose here say they re going around replacing batteries as quickly as they can. the fuel is coming in at a faster rate but doesn t seem to be fast enough. yeah, appreciate that. we got a lot more ahead from the keys the next two hours and from all over the state of florida. also the storm hit homes for music star in the virgin islands. he tells how he help people survive the storm, people using the house he wasn t in. he s been trying to help people get out and get relieve in. we ll talk about that coming up fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investmen do better. maybe that s why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. a farmer s market.ve what s in this kiester. a fire truck. even a marching band. and if i can get comfortable talking about this kiester, then you can get comfortable using preparation h. for any sort of discomfort in yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it. according to feng shui, the bed should on it.orth east. you re trying everything to get pregnant. new one-a-day couples pack gives you both nutritional support you may need. for her to prepare for a healthy baby and for him to support healthy sperm. be in it together. lives here year around. we rode down with him in this helicopter, you can see as the deeper and deeper we got into the keys the worst it got. boats flipped on they re side, docks from homes that were out in the middle of the water. roofs ripped off homes. we re in cud owe key where these guys have their home. we drove around and we could see there were boats off their mirrorings and in people s yards. here s the a sample of our trip with them today. mike whine haufr has lived in the keys for 30 years. he s about to see what s left of his house. my boat is still there, my house is still there. re reporter: how does your house look to you? looks like it s still there. wow. really kind of suck to see what s left. i don t think we got the ten or 12 foot storm surge. somebody s homes are totally destroyed. that s totaled. reporter: this is your home right here? yeah one of them. it s not beat up. reporter: what do you think? it s not horrible. i still have a house. underneath the house looks different. why, how so? well, i didn t have a lot of this stuff here before a lot of this stuff isn t mine. this will be the telltale. yeah. the eye went right over your house. went right over. isn t it amazing it s still standing? they changed the building codes five years ago and i think it made the difference. reporter: so we are told that there were 130-mile-per-hour sustained winds over the island with gusts going about 160 to 180-mile-per-hour here which explains why there were so much damage. the other guy on that helicopter with us, don brady, we had pretty bad damage. there was a room on his first floor, the doors were blown off and there were two huge freezers in that room. his house is down that way, his freezers are all the way over here. we re in the neighbor s lawn, we re working on limited recourses here. in this house across the street, the garage door is bent, the roof where that brown area is has completely fallen off the house. they had a 42-foot yacht that was here and tornado watched to the water. it was just banging around between the homes and canal and its ended up a few blocks away on its side on top of the bank here in the canal. there was a lot of damage here anderson. there still isn t any power. people had generators and there was police in the area. it s a very very difficult situation getting around here for a lot of these folks where the eye of the storm went right over. anderson. randy appreciated you getting there. it headed to florida, hurricane decimated, caused a lot of destruction in the island. i want to get a update from st. thomas. irma hit st. thomas as a cat 5 storm. what s the damage there like? anderson, it was absolutely stunning from the moment that we got here, actually from before we got here. we pulled up on a boat, trying to get on this island. as you mentioned, irma hit this island, st. thomas before it hit the continental united states. it was one of the first islands to be in the path of the storm and it s very clear. being here for just a few hours, this island is going to have a very long road to recovery. six days after that storm hit this island it is still incredibly difficult to get people and supplies on and off this island. what we witnessed here today were the locals helping each other, to get those essentials into this island. people with resources like yachts, boats, private jets and airplanes, things that normally made for very happy times, caribbean life on an island, they re using them to fiery in bottled water. medicine, food, formula, supplies like diapers for babies. things they are running out of. i spoke to so many people who spent days trapped in their own homes and neighborhoods and eventually had to chainsaw themselves out just to get out down the street. the majority of this island has no power, many people have no water, little water or no drinkable water. and the foreseeable future, this could go on for weeks if not months before we see that power restored to this island. it s simply the nature of an island like this, even in the best of times it s hard to get resources on and off. what they re looking at in the future is what this will do to their committee economy, tourism if they cannot bring power and infrastructure back soon, this will affect their well-being in general anderson. sarah i know you ve been there for a few hours, have you seen much federal, u.s. government support on the ground? you re talking about supplies running low and residence there or american citizens helping each other, but is there a massive relief effort coming in at this point, or is it still kind of piecemeal? reporter: there is a relief effort. we re at the local emergency nmt headquarters. fema was here before the storm even hit, they were prepared. the lieutenant governor camped out for the storm in this building behind me and there is military assistance here. the thing is, the airport is badly damaged. the fiery terminals started to be up and running today and yesterday. getting those supplies in and out is still tricky and getting people out is tricky. evacuations, there was a cruise ship that came and evacuated some people today, and there are fiery boats but the majority of the people we see they re waiting on their baggage and belongings who are bringing their boats in trying to get people out to st. croix, puerto rico, nearby island to get to safety. some people say they will return, some say they will not. thank you. i m glad we have you on the ground there. up next, more than a dozen people survived a direct hit from the hurricane on st. john. i ll speak with kenny and one of hi friend that just got out today. next. time s up, insufficient prenatal care. and administrative paperwork, your days of drowning people are numbered. same goes for you, budget overruns. and rising costs, wipe that smile off your face. we re coming for you too. at optum, we re partnering across the health system to tackle its biggest challenges. big island from the virgin islands. kenny chess mick has been a resident there for years. he wasn t there at the time the island hit. 17 of his friends were riding out the storm in his house, they survived. with his help they were able to get off the island. he s determined to get as much attention to the u.s. virgin islands, to st. john and st. thomas and the needs of the island. one of his friends who wrote out the storm of his house, kate henna who just got out today. kenny, you love st. john, you got a place there and been there for a long time, whether you see the images of what happened there what goes through your mind? it s a lot of heart break, anderson. it s really just so many emotions running through my head and my heart. it s hard to put into words really because i got so many memories there, so many friends there, so many fabrics and pieces of my life on that island. to see that devastation and to see what it is today. when i was just there last week, it s really heart breaking. i know what all my friends are going through and all the wonderful people of that island are going through. my heart breaks for them and all of us, really. and kate you were there until today, you just got out today. what s it been like the last couple of days? it s been terrifying. it s the scariest i think identify been through in my entire life. i ve been in st. john about 11 years. we were going to stay at my friend s mandy s house, we thought that was the safe option. the last minute we got to go up to this guy s house and it literally saved out lives. had we stayed at mandy s someone would have gotten hurt. my house is completely destroyed. we had a really god solid group up at the house. we were all good, we talking we were in a safe spot and the window blew in. so we went into the laundry room, and we had 17 of us including 5 dogs and four kids s and we some of the boys grabbed a couple mattresses and we ended up in there for about five hours with mattresses and a washing machine and dryer and five guys taking turns hoedildi up the door so it wouldn t flow in. there was a shock back there that we were able to different the wat dump the water out and keep it from completely flooding. the parents with me did a great job of keeping the kids safe and not even really thinking that we had a problem and we were as scared as we were. i ve heard more horror stories from other people. luckily everyone that i know has been accounted for and okay. i work on a boat, those boats are all damaged, so, it s pretty bad. most of my friends lost their homes, don t have anywhere to go. a lot of them don t, did you it s pretty devastating. kenny, i know you opened up your house to kate and a lot of other friends, and you and i were texting, you say a house is wood and stone and a house can be replaced, is the house itself destroyed? yeah, it s pretty much gone, anderson. i was talking with my friends that i flew up here off island, and they reminded me of something that was very important. you know, listening to what she just said, a hurricane can can destroy an old, tear down houses, it can dev tastate all our friends home, my home or whatever, but the one thing i love about all the people of the island is their heart, spirit and how resilient they are. a hurricane can take away all of our stuff, my house, kate s house, all the boats she worked on, all my friends boats but they cannot take away our heart and spirit and how resilient everybody is. that s one of the things that drew me to the island in the first place. it was a very great group of people that loved life, loved music and loved living. and i ve all felt that it took a little bit kind of a different soul to live there in the first place. you really got to want to live there to live there. but this says a lot about a person when they stick it out over the years. and something like this that happens, it can take away everything that we have, but it will not take away our spirit and our heart. more of my interview with kenny and hanna in the next hour. kenny s looking for a way to help. you can bo to kenny chesney.com on ways to help. the mayor told us the danger is not over. the report on that in just a moment. four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won t go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. but he hasoke up wwork to do.in. so he took aleve. if he d taken tylenol, he d be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. cousin and dog winny return for the first time of the jacksonville home she moved into last month. the bedroom floor still has water but molly soon discovers the water was almost a foot deep. this is wet so it reaching up to the bed. reporter: she s stoic about her damaged bed and furniture in the home. what got to her was the discovery of personal sentimental paper that was kept in a folder. the folder that wasn t left in a high enough place. reporter: sorry molly. really sorry. it s okay, it s just stuff. reporter: similar emotions up and down the street of this neighborhood near downtown in jacksonville. i lived here 20 years. reporter: dan harris lives and works in this home, he s a photography. the garage where he keeps his photo equipment has 3 feet of water. about 6:00 in the morning we got up and the water was basically up to the door by then. and then at 2:00 in the afternoon it was high tide, by then i had 9 inches in my living room. reporter: the four men put blocks under the furniture to salvage what they could. they couldn t salvage their cars. harris had two vehicles under water for hours. the cars of his three friends were also submerged. everybody knows when you live along the beach in florida you re vulnerable to hurricanes. when irma started tracking to the coast of florida, many here in jacksonville felt relief. it was a false sense of security. molly s experience was stressful from beginning to end. he had evacuated early on to her uncle s house near orlando, only to learn hours later she was going to see damage at her home in vaejacksonville too. vs. i m lucky i have a supportive family that s going to help medical get out of here, save as much as i can, go forward and go back to work and figure it out. gary, what can you tell us about the everyall impact on jacksonville. it s hard to get a sense on the big picture. right anderson. the people of jacksonville said since yesterday, they ve conducted 356 rescues. not owl of those people and families were in dire straits but everyone was surrounded by water. last night in jacksonville more than 3,000 people slept in shelters. and we re told 15 different neighborhoods here in jacksonville were or still under water. anderson. all right thank you very much. i want you to meet lee jenkins. she s in the neighborhood of jacksonville florida. you don t have electricity right now? no and will not until 22nd. your house is over there. i don t know if the folks at home can see, the giant tree up ended, the roots of it lifted most of the houses off the grown. did you hear this happening? we did. it sounded more like an impact on the house, just three thugs in a row. it didn t sound like a tree. shortly thereafter my husband poked his head out and we saw what was going on. we tried to check on the neighbors as best we could. so, they were they were here? they were here and inside a closet he said for about 15 hours. and they re obviously not living in this house now? no they re currently at a hotel as we understand it. what s it like in terms of supplies. everyone say you feed three days of supplies. we re coming up on the third day? yeah we ve stocked up as much as possible. i m a florida native i m been here for most of my life. we wen all over town for days getting two cases of water from each store. i made sure i had plenty for the kids, pets and we have canned goods and nonperson rabbles. we were able to get a january rart from a friend and that s really good news. we re stocked up on food and supplies, and our neighbors across the street have been helpful and we re working together. the adrenaline gets you through all this but then day three, four and five, two weeks later that adrenaline is gone and it s the misery like it s hot no power. no power, food s running low you ve got the kids, it s mi miserable. yeah it absolutely is. the main thing we re in florida in september and no one has ac or power. that seems to be everyone s major complaint. we re happy we re all safe and made it through the storm and we re looking for the city to come out and get or power on as soon as possible. thanks. some neighbors brought us pepsis which we can use. cyni . up next more construction in the caribbean. we ll show you the results ahead. so we sent that sample i doff to ancestry. i was from ethnically. my ancestry dna results are that i am 26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it s a hat, but it s like the most important hat i ve ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. ethat s the height ofs mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home. even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl s orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes. so keep on climbing, sarah. you re killing it. dr. scholl s. born to move. we just got to take it one game at a time. next question. odell! can you repeat everything you just said? 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that s correct, yeah. that s probably a pretty fair assessment. i ve seen ranges from 70 to 90, but that s a pretty safe assessment. you know where are the people staying? where are people? well, this is where it becomes difficult. where louses standing, there is some evacuation areas. there s a lot of people that are also trying to get off the island as well, so at the airport there s a lot of people waiting to be extracted off the island as well. are there many relief flights coming in not only with supplies but also to get off the island? yes, there is. the dutch government has been doing a phenomenal job of trying to get everybody as quickly as possible who needs to get off, off. there s 75,000 people on both sides. after something like this happens, really, it s one island. there s borders. you re trying to help out our fellow man. flights are getting in, the weather is good now. we continue to bring supplies in. we re continuing to take people out. do you know about the distribution system? obviously in the most populated areas it s easy to distribute supplies, but once bring them in to the airport, are things being distributed? i couldn t really guess on that, anderson. i know there s a gasoline pump on the island, so getting stuff around from the airport is difficult, but beyond that, i couldn t tell you. what kind of stuff are you flying in? are you flying supplies in? are you ferrying people back and forth? both. it s not just me. we have a team and a bumbling of pilots here and a bunch of people and crews here doing all the flying. we re doing both. the idea is bring people up. initially it was the dutch marines. now it s red cross and those sort of agencies. we don t have a spare seat when we leave. we load up people that desperately need to get off the island and we take them off. where do they go? we re taking them back to curaçao which is part of the the dutch island to the south. we can get them on flights. some people quite frankly are steig with family down here. there s a lot of families volunteering their houses. organizing to children can go to school. go back to some normalcy in life. wade, gosh, what you re doing is incredible. we really appreciate it. we appreciate you taking the time to get to word out. that s one of the things for people going through this, it is vital that the word gets out so that more aid comes in and that people know what is going on. sadly we just the learned death toll rose to 38 people in the caribbean. we ll have more from that region coming up. meanwhile the death toll in florida has climbed to 12. we ll see what s happening on the ground at the florida keys. we ll be right back. according to feng shui, the bed should face north east. on it. you re trying everything to get pregnant. new one-a-day couples pack gives you both nutritional support you may need. for her to prepare for a healthy baby and for him to support healthy sperm. be in it together. when you re close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? 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dangerous and it s really the lack of visibility. we can barely see 100 yards in either direction and obviously with the winds blowing at this speed if there is debris flying through the air i don t want to be out in the middle of that and get caught up side the head by some flying branch or anything like that reporter: hold on one second, ed. stay where you are. stay where you are right now because some of these big trees are surrounding this hotel. i don t know if they re going to make it. they re starting to creep out. look, the palm tree is an extraordinary piece of vegetation. there s no question about it. they re built to bend. there are a lot of trees that aren t that and they re starting to split and fail under the strain on them and we ve been watching it and the concern is that these trees are going to go into the structures across and while they may not look physically impressive to you, we re talking about thousands and thousands of pounds and even more of that force if they do fall into those buildings. some of them have storm shutters, some of them do not. the wind is picked up by a significant, significant factor here from what it was just a little while ago. so we ve been watching this to make sure that the way those go is going to make a big difference. we re safe where we are here in terms of what might come on us. it may not look that way, but it is otherwise i wouldn t be here. but these gusts, this is intense what is coming down these corridors right now. and you can see it behind me and chad was right, the picture s tell the story. but where this wind goes and where it takes all this debris, those are the areas that are going to need the most help and so it s important to site it as its happening and we ve seen trying to stay out of the way, out of the way of these gusts while doing the best that we can to just keep an eye on the situation, so that once it passes, we know where to go. i don t have to tell you, you ve been doing the job as such a high level as such a long time. you serve different functions. one is to be the eyes and ears for the audience on the ground in a situation like this to arrest the sense of curiosity. once the first responders have to kick in and do their job, very often we re telling them where things happened from our own observations. and this is certainly going to size up to one of those situations, because they can t get out right now. they ve had to hunker down. ed is down below me. we re a team on this. he s been watching equal intensity from a different perspective down on the ground and ed, let me know when you can come back to me in terms of what you re seeing with the flooding and whether it s making an appreciable difference to these surrounding buildings by us. this is somewhat of a commercial area where we are now. there are residences as you get into the four, five, six blocks away where we are, as you get closer into the water, there are residences along the water. we don t give a damn about property in a situation like this. we re about protecting life and that s what all the precautions were about. but you ve got mega, mega mansions town there. the governor has one. we re talking 10, $15 million homes and they were built close to the water and as beautiful as that is, it s equally as dangerous. remarkable that this tree is standing. i m watching it split in realtime but it s getting there. ed, what are you seeing down where you are? let me step out of this. reporter: i m going to take a quick little step out oh, man. a quick little step out so you can get a sense of just how quickly the water is moving through here on the street. this is the the most severe gusts it s pushing through. you can see the water. we can t even see 50 yards any more to our right. the amount of water that s being pushed along the street and filling up here and we understand one of the higher areas here in downtown naples. the water in other parts of the neighborhoods that we were able to survey this morning and throughout the day yesterday have to be an incredibly dangerous situation. the good news we reported over the last days that many of the people here in naples evacuated this area. we didn t see but a handful of people out and about throughout the day yesterday so that is a good sign because what is left behind as you mentioned, it s just property and the intensity of it and the flooding in this situation remember, this part of naples is surrounded by water on all sides, so it s not just the gulf waters that will be of concern, it s going to be the river to the side to the eastside of town here as well as the canals and the homes through there, all of that water getting pushed up. this is just one little spot as you look down here on the street in downtown naples, just how quickly the water can pull up in various areas so you can imagine in some of the lower lying areas just how horrible the flooding situation is going to be. we continue to look here off to our our east to make sure we re well protected here. everything structurally from what i can tell seeps to be holding on. i have never experienced the intensity of this kind of hurricane with the winds cutting down visibility the way it has which makes the situation even that much more disconcerting. it is incredibly intense here as we approach and get close to the eye of this storm, making and passing over naples here but it is quickly going to turn from a wind and structural story to this flooding story. here comes another gust. whoa. can you see this, dave? so now we re getting it in full effect up here. ed it s not it s not slowing down any more, so this has to be what chad was talking about where it s just it just keeps coming. just keep coming. it just looks like it looks like some type of sideways cyclone that s coming down here with these gusts. i ll tell you, ed, me, we re not going to move that easily in a storm. we re both bigger guys and this could easily knock you off your feet. i ll tell you what, it s such an easier task to be here than so many of the people who are with this storm, with this family, with young kids and they re inside and they have to be praying to god that this just leaves them untouched and they get past and that s the biggest concern. for us right now we re fine. this is very dramatic picture as chad said it and it s accurate picture, it s true. but your heart has to go out to the families. you re watching this coverage, if you re not in florida, if you are in florida, god bless you and we hope that everybody s okay, and you re safe and you have the supplies you need. this will pass. it s going to take longer than usual but it will pass. but if you re watching this from some where else, we ll see what their needs are afterwards, but this this is something that they re going to remember for a really long time and hopefully there is a measure i hope of gross inaccuracy of the net effect of this storm. i hope that it is more drama than it is impact and that the places that have been touched from the caribbean now up into florida and what happens in states north, west and a little bit east of here winds up being less than we expect. but for now that big that big part has passed. there s bane a little bit of an alleviation. it s gusting that way now but it s not as sustained as it was. there was about five minutes there where it just wasn t letting up and the good news is, this one big patch of trees that i ve been watching here that i was really worried about going into the apartment building across, it hasn t happened. i know chad myers is about to jump in my ear and say don t count your chickens. i understand, but you take good results where you find them in a situation like this and so far the integrity of these big trees, these 200 foot trees, chad, so far i ve been seeing some separation in them, not the palms. you know what i m talking about, these other old growth trees, they ve been splitting, but they haven t failed yet. they haven t collapsed yet and if they can make it through this phase, maybe we ll get lucky here. but i have to tell you, ed, is a pro as you know and he s been in a lot of these. i ve been in many but less than he to be sure and you to be sure, but there is something unique about what we re getting hit with right now. maybe you can put some words and science to it for us. the only word i have, chris, is eye wall. you are in the northern eye wall. you are going to within the next ten, 15 minutes be inside the eye. you may be able to look up and see the sky with not a cloud in it and then be waiting for another hour or hour and 20 minutes and get the wind from the other direction and that s many times where a lot of the damage comes from because the trees have already bent one way and then all of a sudden they have to bend the other way as well as arizona well. this is as bad as this storm has been, truly, in america. this is what the people of sugarland, this is what the people of cudjoe key, this is what the people of pig pibig pis morning, this is what they felt, as this storm went straight over the lower keys. it stays off-shore, it gained a little strength but not much and then it made landfall about 30 minutes ago, the eye wall doing 130 miles per hour when it hit marco and i bet you just had 130. nothing to boast about but that storm is still very strong. not losing any intensity, really, whatsoever. reporter: it comes down to duration. tell me this, when does the storm surge component kick in and what do we look for there? the storm surge comes in after the center of the eye moves by and the bubble of water moves under the eye itself and pushes on to land. now this is opposite of what we expect when an eye makes landfall on an east coast, this is a west coast, so the west coast now has the no water on the north and the water slam storm surge on the south side of the eye. water s been pulled out of tampa bay, pulled out of port charlotte and all the luck up to the north and in 20 minutes when the eye goes by you, the eye wall, you re going to get eye and then you re going to get the other side that marco island is already getting. marco getting the storm surge flooding and we are seeing that flash flood emergency for marco island proper. ten to 15 foot surge on top of places that were completely dry. honestly, the ocean bottom was exposed four feet or so, the ocean bottom was exposed. you could see the sand, you could see the fish, you could see the coral and the sponge and now all of a sudden that s going to be covered with ten to 15 feet of water. chris, i am seeing you, can you hear me and can you go? reporter: oh, no, i have you. i was just testing out these hurricane specs that you told me not to waste the money on. you were right. so chad, what do we do when that storm surge comes in? what s the best way to help what is going to be the list of immediate needs for the people there and, you know, god willing, they can hear us. we re running on battery power here. the hotel s out, all the lights are out in the surrounding area. in fact, i don t see anything lit up. they had kept the lights on here. i don t see them any more. for people who are there and hopefully hunkered down go ahead. what happens here on marco and other islands, city islands that are on up the coast, that would have an awful lot of homes on canals and many of those homes are less than three to five feet above the canal on a regular day, now all of a sudden there will be five or ten feet of water on top of their grass and so therefore in their home. and the surge with the push of the water, push of the wind, think of this water moving at 60 or 70 miles per hour being pushed along by winds that are 120 miles per hour, that water will knock things down a lot quicker than the wind will knock things down. water has so much more force. now, to answer your first question, what do you do? you get eddie and that crew off the street because that s where the water is going to go. you likely will be fine, second, third floor, but get everybody off the street. chris, go ahead if you can hear me. reporter: chad, can you still hear me? yes, i can. i can see your pictures very well, chris. so just start talking. reporter: i can t hear any more. led me go to ed if you can if you can hear me, pick up the coverage for me. we just had a huge gust here and it blue out my ife and i don t hear anything so pick it up if you can. reporter: no problem, chris. we re down on the street here in downtown naples and to give you the continued since of as this the eye of this hurricane gets closer and closer here to naples, i ve tucked in behind a wall here to protect us from the worst of the wind. it s just too much. there s no visibility. if we can get to look down here on the street, the number of palm trees that are just blowing down the street and that s obviously a major concern for us because with such little visibility, you can t stand out here in this, there s no reason too. you can t see anything flying around. as we stand here a little bit more than an hour, we have endurds these kinds of wind, this kind of rain, we re still not quite at the at the eye of the storm here which we anticipate will be coming much, much closer and we will continue to monitor that. so it is a situation that is clearly deteriorating and after more than an hour of enduring this you really start to have to ask yourself, we re in downtown naples and the situation here in the buildings and the structures that were surrounded by are strong and from anything that i can tell from our vantage point, in these times of situations, we ll be honest with everybody, it s limited. we do not have the ability right now to venture out into the city by any means and get a sense of how the rest of the structures are withstanding the storm. we can tell you what we see here around us. there is outdoor concert venue here and it has a soft tarp over it. i ve been watching that for the last 35 minutes. i m amazed that that has not come peeling apart here with these winds that we ve seen. i thought for sure that that would start unbuckling as it is tied down here but what is simply stunning is how little visibility. we re down to maybe 100 yards of visibility here which makes this even more treacherous and as we ve approached this and endured this for more than the last hour, really makes you wonder in the rest of the area homes that are not as structurally sound as the areas in the buildings that you see here around me, really makes you wonder, can the homes, can the other buildings around this part of naples and southwest florida, can it continue to withstand this kind of intensity for as long as it has and there s still more to come. there s no question and a concern that we have here. reporter: all right, ed. i ll take it from you right now. i was i was a little overly optimistic in terms of the worst being through. i was hoping that s what that was before but she s back. and it is a big blow that s coming through here and again as you were seeing down there at ground level chad, this is the real deal coming through here, but so far this tree line is holding and stoz important for these surrounding structures, chad in terms of what they can do to things as you know. we know what happens when these big branches blow off with this kind of energy behind them. we ve been seeing it about this way now for about 35 minutes or so. and everywhere around us, it s the same. it s actually looks actually worse in areas that are a little bit west of us here. the trees that were there that i was using as markers before are gone, so chad, what are you seeing on the radar in terms of where we are from that most severe band that went over the island not too long ago? you are about four miles from where there is no more rainfall, so therefore the inner part of the eye wall, four miles away. now if we do the math at 12 miles per hour, you re still in this or maybe something slightly less than this for another 20 minutes, so it s that duration thing you talked about, how long are people going to be in this when they re in their homes in the dark. this is a completely different animal in the day light. when you are in your home and you hear things go bumping and you have no idea, because it s dark and you have no power, and you don t have air-conditioning and you don t have any communication with any of the outside world because the cell towers already gone down, that s when it truly is going to be a very difficult night for the people from sara sota, into tampa because they re going to live with this as will with. maybe less, maybe 115 because, chris, i think you just had 130. reporter: all right. whatever it is, it is. but here s what i can tell you, chad, as you know we re all pros. we are in the cover of a hotel. the crew is good. photojournalist is good. i m good. ed and i are built for this. it s not easy but i ll tell you what, it s a hell of a lot easier for us than it is for people that chad was just talking about. god forbid you re with your family and having to live through something like this, our hearts, our thoughts are with those people. it s a big reason why we do this coverage. we ll be here just as we saw with harvey. there s going to be need and we know that this community will come together. we saw it before the storm. it sounds trite but it s true. the worst of mother nature brings out the best in human nature and that s going to be needed here in florida in big, big portions and living through this part of it makes those of us who god willing won t be adversely effected by it feel interconnected to those who are going to be effected by it because, ed, from where you are down there right now, this is going to be something where everybody s going to have to count their blessings after this one goes through. where is it where you are right now? how is it down there? reporter: hey, chris, seconds after i tossed back to you just moments ago, heard a large crash about 15 yards off to my side, part of the rooftop, these are the spanish tiles of the rooftop that were on just came crashing down about three stories off the ground, crashed down on the ground around us. this is exactly what landed on the ground around us. as i was mentioning and while we were talking and the fortification and the structural soundness of the buildings that we re in that we felt really good about, not to say it won t endure any kind of damage, but if these shingles and these tiles are coming off the roof, here on these really strong buildings, you can imagine what it must be like in the neighborhoods and the areas surrounding closest to where we are and closest to the wall of the eye of this hurricane. so highly dangerous situation as some of these tiles just flying off the roof, crashing down here on the ground next to us and as we mentioned, we re protected and tucked away an area here and that s why you see on camera that we re not getting blown around as much. we re not going to stand out there any longer as the wall in the eye of this hurricane approaches closer to where we are, but this is it. just landing on the ground and you can imagine all the other kind of debris that is flying around out there as this storm makes it way toward us, chris. reporter: wlrt. we got to make it through this phase and then we have to deal with what chad was explaining earlier as the redistribution of the energy, when the wind comes around the other direction and brings that storm surge, then you get another phase of this. and you also get a different dynamic just in terms of the mechanics of what it does to the surrounding structures and foliage. chad, weigh in on this if i get it wrong, i remember it from you, which is everything s that s been fighting to stay up in one way is now going to get hit at its weakest angle the other way when the energy redistributes and the wind starts coming from another way, accurate or no? accurate. the other thing to talk about is how powerful water is and if you get a surge of ten to 15 feet in that area, homes will be lost. the building itself will be lost whereas a wind event, you can hide from it, you lose shingles, you may lose a sheet of plywood from your roof, but you won t lose your home. if you get hit by this storm surge that s still to come, that s when you lose things. officially, i said 1:30, national weather service out of naples airport just had 1:31, 18 minutes ago. you were in it, 1:31. i hope that s as bad as it gets. you re now beginning to get to a slightly inner core of the storm itself and now slightly less in wind and in 20 minutes it may very well be calm. reporter: from your lips to god ears, when you take a look at the map, where are we in terms of that? is that what you re showing everybody right now? yes, naples manner which is about four miles south of you is already in the eye. they re in good shape. golden gate. you re getting hit, honestly. this is one of the neighborhoods that s really getting slammed to your west, probably still 131 for them. naples down to 115 and 110 it is going down from here as we get you closer and closer to the eye now less than probably 15 minutes before you ll see all the palm fronds just fall down to the ground or just limp down to the side of the tree because the wind will go to near zero. reporter: so that s what we have coming our way and that s good to know from those who are monitoring it. we know we have a lot of people in florida who are watching this. we re thinking about you. we hope you took the right precautions. we hope that you re still able to follow the coverage. if you see us able to be doing what we re doing, hopefully, the structure that you re in is going to be just fine and what we ve been watching around us as dramatic as it is, hopefully it is not as dangerous as it is dramatic. so far this tree line is holding here and these buildings are still protected that are around us, less so on the other side and you see things blowing around in the air here, a little bit of wizard of oz style, they re fairly small pro-jeck tielgz at this point, not the kinds of things that i ve seen do damage in the past. that s a good sign as well but again, there is no cause for false optimism. we ll have to see what happens on the backside of this storm and with the storm surge as chad has been coaching us all along, the wind is dramatic. there s no question about that. there s a danger component to it, but it is water that kills. it s drowning that takes peoples lives in hurricanes and storm surge is not just powerful, but lasting. so we re going to have to stee. i keep going back to timing, chad, because especially when you re in it, that s just your natural reaction to it from an endurance standpoint, is how much longer, how much longer and the scary part is, at least from the perspective on the ground, it s how much longer there is? watching john and those correspondents, you know it s a long time and things just only have so much tolerance, whether it s a structure or a vehicle or even an infrastructure system of your roadways and your sue wang and i don t mean that just from some planning perspective, i m saying backup of sewage, homes not being able to have liveable conditions, what they cause has been tabability. that s what all this is about, it s about what all this does to their lifestyle. your perspective and your take on it so far that you re getting why the governor was so conscientious about saying we re talking about weeks here, talking about commitment from the federal government for weeks and months and in the billions in terms of what they estimated going into this. do you think they re going to wind up being justified in what they thought going into it? without a doubt. without a doubt. this storm had the punch when it was over cuba at 160 miles per hour and to the people of northern cuba we are internally grateful what happened to your country is a shame. it was the damage that created the storm to go from 160 to 130. it was a true remarkable reduction in power that our country didn t have to take and as now moving over key largo and into the keys and into collier county, all of a sudden we had a survivalable storm where 160 to 165 in some places with wind speeds there would not have been survivable. you are now getting into a much better place here, chris, you re going to get into the winds dropping off rapidly to 35, 45 miles per hour and that s the good news, but the rest of the story is that we re going from here to pelican bay to bonita springs heading up the coast with the same event that you just had there. i have a question for you, if you can hear me, i know the winds going down a little bit. i don t know if you had a chance to do any ground truth but the road that we see below you, how many feet is that above sea level? reporter: all right. chad, water s coming up the street here. i don t know if you can see it, dave show it to them. this just like is coming out of nowhere. all of a sudden this street is flooded. do you see it. absolutely. reporter: you think this is just flooding and the sewer system letting go. no, i believe that this is the bubble of water that you re about to see as the storm surge makes it s way into marco island and naples, godldengate. reporter: this came out of nowhere, chad. yes, it is. yes it did. reporter: literally we have a 1 1/2 of standing water here in literally no time flat. my producer just told me to turn around. i just turn around. we see the crane again and i turned back around and literally we re surrounded by water here and i don t mean that it s not dangerous but it s a lot of water really fast and what does this mean obviously it s deeper as you get closer, right? sure. it ll be deeper as you get closer to the gulf of mexico. there s a little barrier there from the gulf of mexico spilling over to naples into marco island but that barrier s going to be easily breached and that water will be right there. i was just curious as to how many feet up sea level that road was. i m not able to do that right now standing here at the weather board. i m thinking not ten feet above sea level, not more than that. reporter: give me a little sense of timing, again. i apologize, but again i just feel like so much of it is about duration and tolerance. what are we looking at? as this eye goes by, give me my next time component so that the people who are in parts north get a sense of proportion in terms of, you know, what kinds of waves they can look for? take a look at the palm trees and the palm fronds barely now moving, slowing down and in the eye itself the skies will begin to lighten and brighten and then all of a sudden the bubble of water that has been following along with this storm all the way through the caribbean, we saw pictures that if you didn t they are amazing in the bahamas where the water was gone from the islands and people were saying, i ve never seen this before, how did this ever happen, where did the water go? the water went with the hurricane. it did have that bubble of water, the surge water that s going to come in now and if you think a fresh water flood is bad, a saltwater flood is even worse for homes and businesses and the people that have to clean up after that saltwater flood and that s what s on its way. the surge flood, a flash flood emergency is still in effect for collier county. that means flash flooding is going to occur or is occurring and it will be life-threatening. that s where we are now. i don t know because the sfloe speed of the storm only 12-miles-per-hour how quickly that water will be five or ten or 15 feet high but it will be less than a half hour, chris, i think. reporter: all right. and that s good to hear because i m just trying to weigh different factors. the main considerations, the windows that we re looking at is when can the first responders get out. they re going to need winds that die down and not just during the eye, right, because they re all sophisticated enough to know what you re telling us right now. it just makes me wonder if we re seeing this here, what is the situation for the people if they re still in homes as we get down there towards where that surge is much closer to that ten to 15 feet that you were talking about. control room, do we have ed down there? i wonder what the water is looking like on the ground for him. do we have him? ed? reporter: i m here, chris, can you hear me we re adjusting the camera here. the winds have settled down a little bit so that gives us a little bit of opportunity to adjust and give a better perspective. that was an unreal hour and a half i suspect of intensity that we ve seen here downtown streets of naples. the winds have died down enough where we can show you what we experienced here. look that s to be expected. those tree limbs there. this is part of the this is part of the tile that came flying off the roof of the building that we re in there and now we ve gotten a little bit better view and you can really start to see a little bit of, you know, the tree damage is to be expected. as soon as all of this passes through and now it s starting to kick up again. we had a break there to give you a better perspective. but that s what we re facing there. obviously the tree damage is going to be unbelievably extensive through naples. that s to be expected. the damage to the rest of the infrastructure we re not in a position to really gauge here at this point. we re just in the process of trying to withstand and endure what this hurricane is bringing here to southwest florida. now the visibility is back which is stunning because now we can see several more hundred yards through the trees here that we ve been providing you the live picture from and you can see the flood the floodwaters and the amount of water that is collected and pocketed up in various parts of the street, that s going to be even worse on the backside of this storm as the storm surge starts coming in from the gulf side and what you ve seen there, along that main street that you re on is extensive as well and that s going to be even worse in some of the more lower lying areas. the area we re in we picked it was set up a little bit higher here in the city but in those parts where it s much more lower lying as soon as we can get to those hours in the ahead, we ll be able to report more extensively and give people a better picture of what is occurred here but the intensity of that is just unreal and it is unbelievable to describe what we have endured here for nearly two hours, chris? reporter: they re telling us that this is the eye is passing over. it doesn t feel like, chad. i thought the eye was supposed to be like this piece of calm where you look up and you see the sky or whatever it is. we re still getting hit here. i want dave to sneak out if he can now that it s not as nasty, i want to show them the storm surge and, ed, just get in my ear real quick, how far is the hotel from the marina again? i forget from when i was walking down there this morning, eight blocks? reporter: just to give a sense of proportion. reporter: there s two different bodies i can hear you, chris. there s two different bodies of water that we have to keep tabs on. on the west side of us we have the gulf of mexico. we re probably about a good eight blocks from that. that s that direction. if you look back over here toward the east about a mile or so is where that marina is and where the river that comes in on the east side of naples and that is going to be the area of real concern because that storm surge gets pushed back in there and that starts fanning its way out through the neighborhoods and so that marina s about a mile away. reporter: all right. i got you. let me get dave out here, the pj, our photojournalist part of the team just to get you down this street. big man come over here and show them down the streets. if we re eight blocks away, you go past me, dave and get down get down that street. we re eight blocks away. chad to give you some perspective on this. here s eight blocks away and this is about you look at the yellow curb here at fifth avenue south and park street and you re at about eight inches to ten inches of water, okay, right here and the buildings are fine. that part of the integrity s all right. you got your typical debris from that gusting. when you look down the street, you see that there s been breech there, at least on one side of the street. the water has gotten into the buildings and it s got to be well over a foot or so deep and that s still 6 1/2, 7 blocks from the marina. how does that fill in the blanks for you? what that is fresh water flooding. that is the rain that came down and went into the lowest part of that city and that is all fresh water. that has no content in it whatsoever because the water from the solinity, the water from the gulf of mexico has not truly arrived yet. a brand-new flash flood emergency for naples just issued about five minutes ago and so the water is still at the mean sea level right now but it is quickly rising and it will rise ten to 15 feet. this is almost waiting for a tsunami, although it won t be a tidal wave, it ll be a surge where one wave that comes up that street, if you re at the right level. i don t know what your elevation is there, but if you were at any elevation that s five feet above sea level, you will see five feet or ten feet on top of that. the one wave will come in, it ll be a wash like a wave without a crest or a curl and then that will stay and then the next wave will come in and the first one won t go away like it usually does at the sea shore. the next wave s going to come in and it won t go away and then a next wave won t go away and it won t go away and this is not what you want to do. you do not want to be out with your dog when the water s coming up. reporter: i know. chad, he s got his three legged dog, he says he s lucky. hold on. hey. hey, pal. he s walking his dog. i see you re out with the dog again. [ inaudible ]. reporter: you got to get back inside, pal. we got the backside of the storm still to come. the surge isn t here yet. please get back in. i ll come find you after. now most of the people here, chad, there s a lot of media. the good news is, they believe that most of who needed to evacuate did. we saw that local last night. nice guy. three legged dog. he s one of these salty types. been here for a long time. he knows what to worry about. he s probably thinking what i was, chad, which is all right, so here s that surge they were telling us about. it wasn t as bad. you re saying we haven t even seen it yet. that this is just like a little bit this is just a little bit of an vantage. this is a little bit of a runway for this surge. it can just follow this water. isn t that going to make it easier for the surge to penetrate if there s already if it s already liquid all the way up the road? absolutely, no question. this now ground is already saturated, not that it was going to soak in at all any way, but the surge coming we ll see this rain that is now going to mix with the saltwater just continue to make the flooding worse. reporter: let me interrupt you for one second. do me a favor. keep talking people through about what s going to happen next. i m going to go down to the street level so we can figure out, you know, what this means and i can get a better set of eyes for you on the road. dave s going to keep giving you the shot. i ll be out of it for a second. i ll be right back in a minute, okay. fair enough. here s what i would like to show you, for any one who s still in naples. let s come back to the weather wall here on camera one. all of a sudden the spike from the naples tidal gauge is here, the spike that we anticipated for the entire day has now arrived. it s because the eye wall itself has gone by all of the forces of the wind that pushing the water out, all those forces are now gone and so therefore, the eye itself will begin to bring the water back up and when you get on the backside of the eye, that s when the water is going to spike. i guess we cannot get this shot right now but i will get it to you. i promise because it s an impressive spike in the tidal gauge right here at naples. we ll get to this right after this break. think about healthcare? 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well, chris, honestly, the backside is coming. we know it is and if you venture out for 15 feet to let your dog do some duty, that s okay but i don t want you walking down to the ocean for sure and seeing what s going on there because that s where the water s coming from and as the backside of the eye comes in the wind shift direction and the reason why you never saw water in your harbor today because of the wind direction and when the wind changes direction, all of that water in the harbor is going to come back and it s going to come back way surge of ten to 15 feet higher than you ve ever seen above sea level before. so this is a big surge for many people that have never ever experienced this type of thing. other than st. louis, which had a 24 foot, 26 foot storm surge, very rarely any place else has ever seen ten to 15 feet. reporter: so if i m eight blocks from the gulf contact here with naples, what do you think the chances that they get water coming this way? because this would be the main artery, this is a road that goes right down to the water s edge. this is where the marina is, am i right about that? chuck, chuck this road, if we follow it all the way down, how close to the marina, to the water do you get? from here to the water is about a mile and this would be a straight conduit awe the way to it? yes, sir. how many feet above sea level do you think? about five feet right here. reporter: you think you re five feet above sea level right here? chad do you hear me. yes, the water s coming. the water isn t coming like a tsunami. reporter: you think the water is going to come to where we are? i do. especially when the wind blows it that way as well. not only is there a swell under the storm itself but there s going to be wind to project it to move it your way and it will propel all the way up that street if that is a straight shot to the ocean because that s the direction the wind is going to be coming from. reporter: so, chuck, chad says if we re about five feet that that storm surge that sucked the water out of the bay down there, that it s going to be coming at least this far where s your house? i live in houston. i just endured from hurricane harvey. reporter: you re here hanging out and you got a big knife on your hip. so the water s going to come this far at least and that s something to remember and, no, we will not venture down there and you do see people coming out. there s curiosity, obviously. you have a lot of local here s and store owners who we were talking to before the storm. they were worried, chad. people worry about their businesses. they worry about their livelihood and there is a temptation to want to get out as soon as possible. there s also a ton of media and you hope the people you see out early are just media. but you do feel that it can come to where we are, huh? no question about it. let s just project this a little bit forward to others in the path. what we showed on television just 30 minutes ago is already and still happening north of you, so i know it looks like oh, it s over, well, yes, it s over where you are but it is not over for bonita springs. you are in it right now. naples park which is about ten miles north of you in it right now in the northern eye wall and that eye wall again will continue all the way to sarasota, all the way to anna maria until it either dies out because of contact with dry land or it goes back out into the ocean and kind of stays with us all the way to tampa and hills brou. what is that car doing? reporter: it s about what you re choosing, chad, on that menu of suck that hurricane irma is bringing our way. you have the you have those winds and all that drama but then you have that storm surge which is of acute concern to all of these different pockets of communities on the west coast because that s what can create not just a second phase because it gets you with that surprise effect but that is what create the real property damage and the real threats to locking people in place. absolutely, it s the water that will kill you. we call it a storm surge. what it is is a flash flood and it s a 15 foot flash flood that comes from the ocean and clearly these people didn t know about it or don t know about it. chris, i have a question for you, you have a cell phone on you. your phone is working? reporter: yeah. my whole pocket is filled with water. what do you want to know? did you ever today get an alert on your phone that said flash flood emergency in your area? reporter: no. my phone my phone is not not 100%, chad and not surprising because i got it in my pocket during a hurricane. i get it. we didn t get any alerts. if it weren t for you i wouldn t have known what that was. to me i would ve thought it was the storm surge because that water came out of nowhere but you told me it was flash flood and i don t want to have death by escalade here. that was that standing water and now it s gone almost as fast as it came. my question to you is how about the storm surge, will that go as quickly as it comes? what are the factors that go into that? the surge will last as long as the water pushes it on land and certainly that surge will be where you are, i believe. if you re only five feet above sea level then you will be standing in water up to your waist if not more and i know you ll get out of there before that, but i would say that s going to last at least three to four hours. now, we think about look how calm the water is other than the cadillac just driving through it, that water that comes in is not going to be calm because it s going to be pushed by a gust of 110 miles per hour, so there will be waves on top of that ten foot surge as soon as it gets into that downtown. i don t have any contact with marco island right now. i have tried. i have looked. i haven t seen because they would ve already been seeing this surge. it would be there. it will be. it is there right now. i just don t know how bad it is. the same surge that we saw with katrina, even though katrina was only a cat three, cat four at
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no. it s not passing. no. it is barely on life support, if that. at this point basically donald trump is unaudible to convert on this, right? his problem is he is making phone calls to senators like john mccain who he has zero credibility with. personal animosity towards each other. he had no ability to close the deal. this is about reflecting blame. this likely isn t going to get through. i wouldn t say nephew. you could have rand in your back pocket as we saw trump alluding to. i would say don t say it s dead, but this i think is trump trying to say i tried. any. the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. we have seen this twice already. nothing has really changed. the same players are making the same moves. and you re not going to see collins or murkowski turn around on this. i am the optimist. i think you can get murkowski and rand paul becomes a key. james, you followed this relationship. how much of this would a psychiatrist is john mccain unable to see his friend lindsey graham achieve the great legislative achievement in 20 years that eluded john mccain. that s a good question. obviously lindsey and john are so close. two of the three amigos. mccain doesn t like donald the summer. and she was surprised by the conservatives who came up to her and said, thank you for supporting obamacare because my kid is sick and i need it. that hit her i think very hard. graham/cassidy is not the first to appeal. significantly different. we ll see. let me go to the underreported story of the week. i ve been gone. what did i miss? i think alabama senate debate was one of the most interesting things that i watched this week. judge moore. absolutely. it was fascinating to watch. luther strange essentially for one hour just said one thing. his message is donald trump is behind me. he said nothing else the entire time. and people in the audience were laughing. at some point he was saying it so often they were saying, gosh, he s going to go to that. the endless loop. i think tom price private jets, politico story. if if was any other administration other than the donald trump administration, this would be wall to wall coverage. spending $300,000 of tax payer dollars. this is i think one of the most under reported stories. i saw it in london. they all take private jets. it s different because in particular he is a congressman railed against this issue. that s true. saying nobody in the members of congress, the white house should be doing it. none of his previous srb sebelius. they are paying for it out of their own pocket. i think this is one of the biggest stories that isn t going to get any prep because we re in a time when everybody is onto the next thing. when we return, i ll ask the panel what breaking story they are working on for next week. a preview of coming attractions. stay tuned. switch to flonase allergy relief. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by overproducing 6 key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. flonase helps block 6. most allergy pills only block one and 6 is greater than 1. with more complete relief you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. flonase. 6 is greater than 1 changes everything. he s on his way to work in alaska. this is john. he s on his way to work in new mexico. willie and john both work for us, a business that employs over 90,000 people in the u.s. alone. we are the coca-cola company, and we make much more than our name suggests. we re an organic tea company. a premium juice company. we ve got drinks for long days. for birthdays. for turning over new leaves. and all of our products rely on the same thing we all do. clean water. which is why we have john leading our efforts to replenish every drop of water we use. we believe our business thrives when our communities thrive. which is just one of the reasons we help make college a reality for thousands of students. today, companies need to do more. so john and willie are trying to do just that. thank you for listening. we re listening too. xfinity mobile. a new kind of network designed to save you money. call, visit or go to xfinitymobile.com. we are back with my panel james, anna and any. which numbers are driving the news this week and which are covered partly in the shade right now but moving soon to the center of attention. who is the person that matters the most not named trump? rocket man. why? explain. first of all, we all had to google dotard this week and what did it mean. obviously this is very seriousment we keep going closer and closer to nuclear war with them. i think this is going to be the international issue. you said we are closer and closer to nuclear war with them, which i believe to be true. i don t think it penetrated the minds of america. i think it is very disturbing, very scary. it is something i don t think the vast majority of americans are paying attention to. bob mueller. significant developments while you were gone this week. they basically are on a phishing expedition. 13 different categories of things that mueller is interested in as part of his probe to potential obstruction to justice. we learned a lot of new developments about the way that mueller, how aggressively he is going after paul manafort. they did a no-knock search of his apartment in alexandria in the summer. we learned mueller was taking pictures of manafort s suits in the closet. they were really going hard. they were going hard after michael flynn too. former national security adviser announcing a legal defense fund. lots of developments. special counsel mueller did not request surveillance. i asked to do those applications when i worked for the attorney general. they authorize the use of the most amazing material. stuff in the 80s that is classified. who knows what they can do now. they know everything about him if they had a fisa warrant on him. i m going to play off what anna said. jim mattis is the most important not named trump because of the threat from north korea that ana mentioned. how the united states will react to this threat of a hydrogen bomb being tested in the pacific, something that hasn t happened in 60 years will be sort of chilling to the entire world. on friday, hugh, i had coffee with a former senior very, very senior person at the defense department who left quite recently. and i can tell you they are nervous over there. this kind of talk is something that strikes them to the core. it s a very serious story that has people secretary mattis is one of the best people to ever serve. he knows wars begin with muss calculation. if rocket man hits the wrong thing, stuff happens. my person is theresa may. probably because i have been in the uk. her government is falling apart. boris johnson was going to leave. pulled everyone on a plan to get out. she is presenting it in florence. it appears she pulled it off. i thought she was the walking dead. former chancellor on osbourne said about her. she is back to the grave and putting it together. tell me what you re working on? tax reform next week. from administration, congress. it s a plan that from what we have heard will affect states like the one in new england. could be quite significantly. these are places that have very high real estate taxes. and so we re going to be looking at that really closely. state is and local tax deduction will destroy california and new york. massachusetts. and new hampshire. which relies quite heavily. it can t go away. the entire country. james, what are you working on? alabama senate race. we talked about it in the last block. what are the polls? internal polls that i have seen show the race tightening. recent show roy moore up nine points. but i think it will end up being close. they expect 20%, 25% of the elect rat will turn out. it is a close primary. it is a close primary in can you register on the day of? i don t think so. which makes it harder for some of the traditional trump vote stories show up. but also there s a lot of we talk about this a little bit with virginia for 2018. bob corker, tennessee, chair map of the foreign relations committee, he said in recent weeks he is considering retirement because he doesn t want to have a nasty primary challenge from the trump populist part of the party. judge roy moore is like judge roy bean. he is like a hero. his people will not not come. ana, what are you working on? 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when you re not the candidate you can be a lot more honest about what happened, the problems on the campaign. she is very reflective. we often don t see that in candidates when they are elected and saying these are my problems. these are my warts and this is what happened. i will be joining you in reading that soon. james, what are you reading? i recommended the hillary book. that was a good window into her. the new biography bunny mellon. she was most recent in the news with john edwards. she was funneling money to help him take care of his love child. they called it bunny money. she died a year ago, close to 100. big socialite. jackie kennedy s best friend. she kind of had a close relationship with lady bird johnson. she loved ronnie reagan, hated nancy reagan. it has great stories. there s so many things named after mellon. a window into 50 years of washington, a different era. what s the title again? bunny mellon. elizabeth warren s latest book this fight is our fight. it has the word fight in it a few times. i ll be honest with you, it is just sitting on my bedside table because i can t get into it. it s just not that good. but if you do want to read a good book by elizabeth warren, i would recommend her first book she wrote with her daughter called the two-income trap. she wrote it before she was running for anything. it gets into her research about income equality. it is a bit academic but written for a general audience. her students loved her. i get the last word. the last minute. this is unbelievable. katy tur. for people like we are journalists. it s the real deal. ate many doughnuts for dinner is my favorite line. i have never been a road warrior. you three have. if you are at syracuse, ma dill, stanford daily paper and you think, i want to do that. did you read it yet? 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of the situation and broke the bounds of the constitution and upward for the for the more than the one i don t want to sign they will use force. barzani and the northern iraqi administration will go down in history bearing the shame of pushing our region into an endless sectarian war coalition. that iraq after two thousand and three was established by american and coalition forces america has to mediate to save the blood of iraqis and avoid civil war between kurds and arabs. also on the show the founder of playboy just affect the kurdish people. we have a beacon on but off refugees that using the airport and we used to be a bridge between syria and you in two sense the humanitarian aid to those places and we host to coalition forces here so this is meant to be put everything. after voting for a session kurds in iraq could hardly contain themselves thousands flooded the streets in northern iraq to celebrate the referendum they had been pushing for for years we have been living under occupation and suffering for one hundred years but today we rejected that yes for independence and freedom for the kurdish people. iraqi kurdistan is already an autonomous region but the minority kurds want to break away to form an independent state that would include areas like the oil rich region near cute cook. baghdad has called the vote unconstitutional iraq s prime minister has vowed to keep iraq from breaking apart. but they took advantage of the situation and expanded outside the constitution i don t want to say that we will use force but we will use understanding and constitutional means if they respond to this then that s fine and today i demand that they return all the areas they recaptured from the islamic state it s what parliament decided that. iraq s neighbors have also rejected the referendums results the turkish president warned that the kurds responding an ethnic war in the region a lot at stake here daniel girl off as a middle east analyst from zenith magazine he joins me now for more daniel thanks for being in the studio with us having me is barzani playing poker here is he really betting for independence or is this the beginning of a negotiation or isn t is definitely a great poker player and he understands the power gamble in the middle east very well and he s part of it. i think it s an option and it s a very viable option for them i think he has a strong power base of people who believe that independence is the right way to go with all the collapsing structures and states around them and i think there is something else stake which is his political survival and his family s political survival because he s not an contender and there s other contenders and i think this referendum is a good opportunity to rally support in courtice tano in the caribbean northern iraq behind him and turkey really does not want this to happen how dangerous are those threats of intervention in turkey. turkey has been intervening in the north of iraq at multiple occasions they have been targeting the p.k. k. in the condom mountains with the consent silent consent of the government by the way they have probably protested every now and then but they let them operate there . i think. don of course we know him he would like strong words and he likes to express his views in a spectacular fashion but i think. the political strategic is they have made their peace with the idea that there is going to be some sort of kurdish strong autonomy or even an independent state in the north of iraq and let s not forget that they re one of their main business partners but i think the big mistake that the kurds in the north of iraq might make is they have been the l.-i of many powers as long as they were an undeclared independent state but once they turn into a really independent state i think they will many of their but they re just and countries many of the neighbors will turn against them and they will make many enemies and turkey might be one of them but let s not be naive i think out of god knows what s going on he knows that this was this was going to happen sooner than later ok so this has been in the cards you re saying what is it going to mean for the fight against isis. the kurds have done a great deal of fighting against isis the peshmerga have taken on isis and they ve a long time and i think backed out and would be less long as they say just exchange words strong words they know what s at stake you ok sound optimistic who has the tension global way to diffuse the situation if anyone. well of course some fans or is the united states and russia i ve talked to russian experts about the like the idea of an independent kurdish state and. they say we don t mind to have another i mean that s not the official position of course but if you talk to russian expert they say we have iran and turkey at a sudden interest they want to influence in our southern comfort a comfort zone we don t mind having another state but we don t want to push for it and i think the russians are trying to gain some leverage through a quarter state but the americans a president too so i think these two powers have have a lot of leverage to at least two two which would delay a decision of an independence movement but i don t think that they can stop it i don t care a lot he s a middle east analyst we re seeing a magazine thanks for being with us on the thanks for having me. on to the fallout from the german election now the far right alternative from germany won more than ninety seats in parliament raising fears of a potential surge in populism and anti semitism for those who lived through the holocaust some of the i.a.f. days rhetoric is hauntingly familiar we spoke with horst zellweger a holocaust survivor who endured forced labor under the nazis and saw most of his family murdered now ninety years old so margaret says that for him the rise of a.f.g. comes as no surprise that if this most i didn t do it can deal with. fascism in germany never went away it just took on a new form will you fall. yeah the. yeah yeah i don t see. we will hound this government we will hunt down chancellor america or whomever else we need to we will take back our country and there are people. who are suited and want to see one thing on the borders from nine hundred thirty nine again . clearly remembers the beginning of nazi rule in germany at school in berlin he was virtually abused and beaten up by his classmates. it started with him calling me horrible names like smart alec jew or jewish pig. it got worse and worse more offensive and then deadly. in my two. sixty one members of the bigots extended family were murdered in the holocaust fascism and germany s coming to terms with its nazi past our core issues in his life and after seeing so much in his ninety years he s horrified by sunday s german election result he s been sharing his reactions online. to be honest i don t understand the astonishment and anger that he i have today has made it into parliament nazis have been in parliament since one thousand nine hundred forty nine they had nazi ministers one was even chancellor. yorkies inger was chancellor from one thousand nine hundred sixty six to sixty nine former nazi party members held seats in the west german parliament until the one nine hundred eighty s. across most of the political spectrum. down because she is the rise of the f.t. as a continuation of this tradition. yes. i just hope that a real change of thinking happens here. and that this long standing refusal to take the fire right seriously will finally be confronted. we have to expose this ugly extremism and i hope this confrontation will play out in the new german parliament that. i don t want to see the f.t. take over on the contrary. for more i m joined now by being labor he s the correspondent for britain s tog newspaper and focuses on right wing populism and the a.f.d. founded thanks for being with us today we heard mr selinger in that report say fascism in germany never went away and he sees the a.f.d. is a continuation of naziism do you think that s an accurate description of them. i think it s a little bit too easy to describe i think there s not a real continuity between for example in a win or nazis in the fifty s or sixty s of this of the last century and these new right thing populists i mean they tried to reinterpret for example the history and they are for example in islamophobia a party i think but it s not not and repeat cation of the nazi party of the of the last century i think so we have to be a little bit careful when it comes to definitions here i think now would you classify the a.f.d. as anti-semitic the problem here is that the a fifty is not an openly anti-semitic party it s quite the opposite in the interpretation of the safety of how they interpret themselves for example the former. chairman of the party of how completely i mean she stepped down now but she for example is quite the a fifty is a kind of guarantee power for jews living in germany to protect them when it comes to and this may take forces or to anticipate to take sentiments from migrants for example so and another example is that they have strong ties to some organizations in israel for example so that don t distance themselves from israel but on the other hand i think they really tried to. yes to to to. reinterpret the german history in some way so you re saying there revisionist have also nile is a crime here in germany it s not everywhere in the world but it is here how revisionists is they actually. here it comes as well to the birding because you don t have any prominent politician of the a few who is really denying the holocaust but for example under golland another prominent politician of the f.t. talked recently about these twelve years when it came to the nazi period so when in germany in germany normally you very openly speak about the nazis about hitler germany for example some of them words and not about these twelve years that sounds very distant for me yes and i think. here it s. yes that is the problem here yes when we talk about anti-semitism in germany and specifically in berlin some of the reports of anti-semitic attacks have been coming not from the far right but allegedly from muslims your paperwork morning on this alleged incident at a berlin school involving arab and turkish students bullying a jewish student how big is that problem i mean we have this problem here but we are discussing about this problem and i think it should not be a topic of this right wing populist party alone so we should talk about migration and maybe these people who are coming if they are refugees they are coming indeed from countries like syria where aunties emits. opinions were very openly discussed all right that s fabienne labor he s a correspondent for berlin tog spiegel newspaper thanks for being with us on the day thank you. well the founder of playboy hugh hefner has died at the age of ninety one hefner gained instant fame when he launched playboy magazine in the one nine hundred fifty s. the adult publication created a sensation in conservative america after spawning the brand into a publishing empire but critics accuse him of degrading and objectifying women flowers and a string of well wishes for the bunny king outside the famous playboy mansion in los angeles. it was here that hugh hefner ran his major net ten mins empire usually clouded his trademark so but john was. it takes a. special event to get me. to get out of my pajamas. there put on a pair of pants. with a cafferty crafted mix of nude photos highbrow articles and big name fiction have struck a chord with playboy more than sixty years ago the men s magazine quickly became a roaring success half not his girly bag and his lifestyle was symbols of the sexual revolution and shook out puritanical american values really brought the pop culture to life you know it during a time when he was very conservative and this was something that kind of went against the grain but he did it in a very tasteful way and you know and he s just created so many great things as a result of do we know and really bringing pop culture to hold the love of others condemned teff not for degrading women treating them as objects of male fantasy just as many were fighting for basic rights and equal opportunities the internet age so playboy circulation plummet but by then half turned his bunnies had already transformed popular culture. and more than six decades later he s still a household name for more on hugh hefner i m joined now by christopher nepali tano he was the editorial director of playboy magazine between two thousand and five and two thousand and nine chris our thanks for being with us now your title was editorial director because editor in chief was reserved for hugh hefner sounds like a man who was very involved in his business well liked working for him i was great it was a big business and his focus was the magazine and then it s very content in america so in one hand. frequent dialogues with them and on the other hand he was there to . protect our decisions and and oh i was to do what we do best. we ve we ve heard a lot about who have been our throughout the day good things bad things in your mind a few people who knew him personally tell us what your favorite are anecdotes. oh my goodness well he was just you know always very very entertaining always very engaged he was extremely smart so i often didn t want to tangle with him or debate with him on the phone or in person i would have to gather my thoughts he would he had some phrases just like you find if i knew what the hell you were trying to do it would help you do it. you know and. he always was very forthcoming about his personal life i remember going out to the mansion right after one of his girlfriends of broken up with him in a very public way and he said i don t have he said personally and professionally ok personally how you doing is like i feel like road kill my heart s been smashed over but tonight we re having a party and maybe there s some young cull it will make me feel better and then he gave a big you know his trademark cackle. so you know he he was a guy who who knew what he was about very sure footed very sure thinking if he didn t have an opinion on something it meant that it wasn t worth having an opinion on. so whereas i am a bit of a pleaser and i always want to give the right answer for have just said what he thought he had that direct connection between his mind and his mouth and he was very very adept at expressing. some some good thoughts in said that you yourself are a bit of a place where you studied comparative religion as a student at columbia and you have any qualms about working in a magazine that features full frontal nudity. no you know i was raised catholic and so all of that kind of. kind of had an impact on the way i learned to look at the world and comparative religion is not the ology for saying it s about how the bible was put together particularly my area of study was the new testament so to learn about how these various stories were were compiled in call aided and then later seen as the word of god is you know very reverent tory you know you learn that jesus had no brother to which i m catholic dogma is really not allowed so going from that cuts a verse of thought to something like playboy believe it or not there are a lot of catholics drawn to this kind so i was not alone i think i can believe that you know it is that you know it s a very sad but playboy it s been around for what like sixty years it s survived and magazine publishing crisis the advent of internet pornography how do you manage to stay relevant and just stay in business. what s interesting i think was the first magazine to be a brand i mean it was the precursor to what all magazines are talking about today we re not a magazine we re brand we re online grown social well playboy was very social it had clubs you know it had hotels it tried to bring to life at every turn even in my tenure there was relaunched a playboy club in las vegas that was wildly successful so any time you could try to capture and make real the fantasy that was present in the magazine you had a hit so that kind of branding and extension of that rabbit had logo was sort of built into the d.n.a. from the very start and you were at it and arcelor actor i m sorry go ahead. no and that s allowed it to go on in various incarnations you were editorial director from two thousand and five to two thousand and nine i m sure you ve heard your share of criticism how do you respond to people who say playboy objectifies women. well you know i think that the women who appear in the magazine can address it best. and they can talk about how they what the magazine did for them in establishing them in terms of their personality in their careers. proved very useful to many women and as an expression of what they felt so for them they re coming from from one angle from a critic s perspective you know objectification is really a reduction as anything that we did successfully present or enticing imagery or an enticing personality really required us to speak about who that woman was and what she wanted to do and quote her accurately all that was very important to our readers because then they determine where they both like her and her not so it s a bit of a male psychological thing. but yeah i mean there s there s. there s objectification goes on and almost every aspect of our lives. we re not immune to the criticism and people make it so so all right with me it s kind of a question to say at this point oh i read playboy for the articles but playfully has over the decades published some of the best writer is that each generation what do you personally most proud of from the time you were there. well we did a lot of good things i mean we really presented a lot of i worked with norman mailer john updike publishing those guys was great. one thing i m very proud of is sending mark boal to iraq and publishing the story the man in the bomb suit and he later took those experiences and turned into the hurt locker. we had an acclaimed writer here dennis johnson who. came off winning the national book award and he wanted to write a four part serial written on spec so every thirty days he would come up with a new chapter that we published in the issue very proud of that. so yeah i mean we re i just was flipping through some of our older magazines and on there there are all impressed with the amount of good material that s in there i mean juno walter mosley. weidman joyce carol oates a lot of pain and i leave it there and let me just i mean really it s like you re running out of time you have here is being buried next to one of the most famous names of all marilyn monroe how did that happen tell us that story. he went out and he brought that that that box that s level marble next door and that in that muzzle him he was infatuated with her he was she was always on his mind it was you know every every six months it s i think it s time to start talking about marilyn again we like the it s enough marilyn for now. but she would be on the cover you know regularly every two three years see and as editors you get cynical and you think oh that s too much but you know you meet people and they all mention her there he would be like she s with her son. and he knew what everybody else like too so sometimes we re we re sitting here we re too smart for own good we re going to have to leave it there christopher dippolito know he was the editorial director of playboy magazine until two thousand and nine. well the day is nearly done but the conversation continues online you ll find us on twitter use the hash tag the day i found out. he was one of the bees in apa by me and the sun. now benny is back
money charges against paul manafort but a surprise revelation, george pep adopt lus pleaded guilty earlier this month making a false statements to the fbi. his e-mails related to the arrest came out today, couple of things we did not know until now. they provided key points along a time line that robert mueller could possibly build a case that team trump colluded with russia to win the election. ood suggestion that george may have been wearing a wire. we have correspondents covering all the angels tonight. we begun with manu raju on george. what have you been learning? that s true joining the campaign in march 15, george had a meeting with a london base professor who he promised dirgt on hillary clinton s campaign. he had multiple interactions with this professor. this professor came in around the same time that john pa december that, hillary clinton s former campaign manager, his e-mails were hacked. we do know that george lied to federal prosecutors and admitted to lying about these interactions with with this london based professors and other russian contacts. and in these documents that were sealed today, anderson, turns out this contact was not the only one, there were several others. judgeorge admitted he lied t several authorities when he said contact with the professor occurred before joining the trump campaign. he also falsely told authorities that the professor was quote, just a guy talking up connections or something. when in fact, george knew the professor has connections to the kremlin and repeatedly sought to arrange a meets. george also doubt t conflicts he had with a female national when she also had ties to the russians that george pitched to the campaign as part of an effort that trump meet with vladimir putin in russia. the woman was also described as putin s niece. in march, when he met with the woman and professor in london they talked about setting up a meeting. they said the leadership, including putin is ready to meet with us and mr. trump should there be interest. george wrote, as we continue working to arrange a meeting the highest and senior aid rick gaits e-mailing to say, quote, we need someone to communicate that dt is not doing these trips. it should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signals. and then in may, joj forded e-mails he wrote to russian up dates in which he said, russia has been eager to meet with mr. trump for quite sometime and has been reaching out to me to discuss. but in july, 2016, george says a meeting with senior trump officials with putin aids, quote, has been approved from our side. george was arrested july 27 and had pled guilty for knowingly and willfully making false statement. and where is he now? we simply don t know the answer to that. cnn has tried to reach out to him on multiple occasions. we have been unsuccessful if doing so. the house and intelligent committee have tried to bring him in for interviews and they have failed as well. his attorney did issue a statement earlier saying george will not have any further comment, probably some of his story would come out through the course of the campaign. and anderson, even though the white house downplayed his role in the company, he graduated in 2009, got a master s degree in london afterwards. the president singled him out in a washington post interview called him an excellent guy. manu, it s also important to point out, after he was arrested and admitted he had lied, he cooperated with the fbi right if. yeah, and that could be significant. we don t know how significant quite yet. the fact he is cooperating with the fbi could signal there was a lot more to this investigation going forward. we don t know the extent of his context. everybody in the trump universe, we tried a number of occasions to reach out to the highest level to the trump campaign and also got some responses. his involvement may be more extensive than we know right now. okay, rick gates, and pamela brown. what are the obligations against these two? trump indictment between the two men wasn t sealed today. the counts include a conspiracy against united states, conspiracy to launder money and seven counts of failure to file reports, a foreign bank and financial account. these two mens is alleged to have been taking tens of millions of dollars from the ukraine while acting as agents for the country and hiding that money in offshore accounts to wash it. and they lied about it. they used this money from the accounts to pay for money, mortgaging, clothes, homes, decorating, their children ea east s tuition. the fbi says they were engaged in these activities from 2008 to 2017. so while they were involved in the captain, anderson. has manafort says anything? didn t say anything but his attorney spoke outside the building to reporters and said these charges are baseless. take a listen. president donald trump was correct, there is no evidence. mr. manafort on the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. again, in this indictment there is no mention of possible collusion with the russians. manafort and gates pleaded not not guilty. the bail was set for manafort and gates and both put on house arrest. and want gates? his spokesman released a statement saying he won t comment until he reviewed the indictment. his spokesperson said the time. that was this afternoon. right now we re learning about what wen on behind the closed doors of the white. cnn s jeff zeleny. do we know how the president reacted after he heard about these indictments? we go. we know he spend hours in the residence watching this unfold on television. i m told he was seething at these reports. they said as he was watching this, he was expecting some kind of indictment on manafort, but this george thing surprised him entirely. he was watching this for hours. he did not arrive in the oval office for meetings until around noon or 12:30 or so. entirely different and the white house was trying to portray it down below when they were saying look, this is not connected to the campaign at all. and as far as sanders saying volunteer over and over, paul mand ford was a volunteer as well. each and every one of these people on the campaign is in a voluntary capacity so that doesn t mean much. what is the white house strategy for dealing with mueller and the investigation going forward? we found out after talking to a lot of people there is a tug of war going on here if you will. there was one side of thinking the president legal advisors saying he should not go after bob and mueller. if he wants to make some attacks at the investigation he can but not directly at bob mueller. there was another side, steve bannon, he believes that the president s legal team has been too soft and misguided here. he does believe the president should go after bob mueller in an attempt to, you know, simply throw all this up in the air here. there is an internal discussion. so far, the president has not for a while gone after the special counsel here, we ll see if he does in the coming days. anderson, all this a major distraction, as this week was supposed to be this time to talk about a tax reform plan. of course he s leaving friday for a foreign trip as well. this of course so front and center tonight. yeah, the president was actually watching t.v. for hours, you said didn t go to work until about 12:00 or 12:30. so the george side of this, this came as a surprise? it did. i was told by several people he was not expecting this. most people around washington wasn t expecting this either. he pleaded guilty almost a month ago but this was something sealed and continue comfortable. that was one of the confidential here. so that was a prize today. no one know who he spoke to several weeks ago. it does seem the number of people, those five people or so i think it was who was famed to the president s foreign advisory person later on in the campaign. it was time when the candidate trump was under pressure because of a lot of experienced people had said they would not work for president trump. so, he needed to name names and that s wen he came up with kaurter paige, and george and others. there are questions about how closely linked they were to the campaign. it seems like with george, according to these charges, he was getting his e-mails returned from manafort and others. sure, he was trying to do something, trying to set up a meeting. back in march 2016, donald trump was trying to quince people here in washington and elsewhere he was a real candidate. he said look, i got these flielgt advisors, and they weren t advisers working on the campaign, so it s unclear how much work was going on at the time. the president was holding them up as examples of the fact he was about advised here. the question here is, it was a very small operation, and he was getting e-mails returned at the time. there were no meeting of course. how many otheres are out there, we ll find out as this investigation continues. jeff thank you very much. david gurgan joins us now. how serious do you think today s developments were? serious, very serious. what we have now know is that the government is charging that an unregistered foreign agent to russian stew justice was campaign chairman for president trump. not for very long but an important period of time. and that contrary to assurances for the president that there had been no conversations with the russians, this campaign had nothing to do with the russians, we now know at least one person who was recognized as a national security adviser by the campaign, who attended meetings with the president was in active conversations with the concerns. what this suggests is that bob mueller has this young national security adviser. george. george, he s now singing. he s now giving evidence of higher ups and that s how he got a plea bargain today and pled gilt. i think this is serious. what s interesting about george, the development is the exchange he had with this professor who had ties to the kremlin who said they had dirt on hillary clinton, that predates by month the donald trump jr. meeting. and that predates in this donald trump jr. meeting what the professor was saying to george. yeah, that s right. that was a clear desire on the part of people and trump campaign to get the dirt, what ever it was, whether e-mails or something they might get from the russians, they clearly wanted to do it even throe they avoided setting up a big meeting with the russians, they wanted to send signals back. we also know from the indictments that were returned, and the plea bargain that s been made here by george, that george was reporting to others, unnamed others but they are singled out in the plea agreement. there was two people higher up in the campaign and one senior national security adviser, we don t know who that is. but the finger seems to point perhaps to flynn. this is both george and donald trump jr. entertaining this notion of getting dirt yes. with the belief it was from the russian government. that s what donald trump jr. was told in those e-mails and then george who lied to the fbi yeah that s a very clear point. it s clear they were responding two signals from the russian op tifrs saying, we got some stuff do you want to talk to us, and yes, we do want you stuff. now what we don t know is whether these conversations led anywhere and did it actually lead to cooperation with the russians in terms of the meddling, that s still unclear. we know that s where mueller is hoping or at least he s going to investigate that to find out what happened. one last thing anderson, we ve also been told by the washington post is that facebook is going to testify tomorrow that the russian based, and russian sourced materials put out in the captain, meddling in the campaign may have reached as many as 126 million americans. that s about the number that voted. yeah, cnn has confirmed that. david can you put this in some perspective in terms of scandals in white houses and scandal investigations in white houses? well, this is not water gate, we re not at a point where the president of the united states is about to be shoved judicially or politically. what we do now is that we now for the first time, because it happens rarely, have criminal investigation, which is creeping into people close to the president or high up in his campaign and may well reach in among the people who have worked in the white house. we haven t seen that since the nixon days. again, i stress this is not water gate. but when you have criminal charges against people who are close to the president, that s very rare. david gurgan we re going to talk tow later in the program. coming up next our panel weighs in. and given the president s mood we ll explore the nuclear option, firing robert mueller and the fall out that may bring. d your retirement score. so, that goal you ve been saving for, you can do it. we can do this? we can do this. at fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. nana, let s do this! aye aye, captain! and as you go through life -whoo! - tryin to reach your goal and as casual fridays life at buckingham palace? 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so, couple things. first is at the sentencing or the plea, the prosecutor, mueller s prosecutor said this is a small part of the larger investigation. he s let people know this guy represents just the tip of the iceberg for his broader investigation. second is which is also interesting about that it s the tip of the iceberg no one saw. usually the tip of the iceberg sts stuff the media sees. he was arrested and no one knew about it. well, that s right. and in some sorts that s testament to bob mueller s team and the way they re operating. second, plooes arrested or pleas guilty to lying. what we did when he was first involved with the fbi is try to be protective of others. so, i think that this guilty plea to lying has to tell anybody else who has or is going to be interviewed, you better think long and hard about what you re going to say to mueller. you can t protect anyone but yourself, because if you do lie in an effort to protect somebody, a mistaken effort to protect somebody you re going to end up with a thousand and one lying count against you, it s a five-year felony and easily proved. laurie you agree but you re big thing is whether george lab wearing a wire for months. absolutely. proactive to me means he was actively trying to have the discussions with people, to in some ways make mueller s team aware of what had happened over the months prior to that. so being proactive there are a lot of people he could have had conversations with. remember, washington, d.c. is one of their one party jurisdiction. you can actually wiretap and have recording on one side of the conversation and include both parties, only one side agreeing to it. you could have videos and tape recorders out there, people who are now in administration, perhaps with manafort or gates. so you have an evolving story here of what this person knows. it must be reiterated for over three months this person escaped the scrutiny of the media and probably the key players who probably conversed with him, e-mailed, spoke casually and you have no idea what this man was able to accomplish before it went public. we got to take a quick break. we ll continue the conversation. also the looming questions, can the president try to fire mueller, will he? 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what jumps out at me is what we re not seeing here. we re going to violate the laws of nature because this manure is going to roll up hill. he did not, mueller, get into this business to indict people who are under the and he did get into there business to come after someone for money laundering. when i saw this role, this guy s coming out with serious charges first. what this tells me he s now going to start rolling up. these people will talk about more significant players whether it s don junior or jared kushner, i don t know. this is just the beginning. you were also saying before we went that the time line of this is interesting. you were looking at the dates and when comey was being asked for a loyalty test from the president, you believe they already had information? yes. let s play detective here for a moment. you know that acquired data going back to last year. that s financial data, the fbi, financial data, e-mail, phone. so they had the data. we know also that somebody interviews were underway. the fbi s already comparing what the interview wee is saying. what i m saying is i suspect when jim comb my walked into some of the conversations with the president he already knew some of the president s advisors had lied to the fbi, that s a federal investigation. he already knew the trump team was in trouble. remember, papadopoulos pleaded guilty of lying to the fbi on january of 27th. july. no january. he pleaded guilty in july, his statement to the fbi was in january. jim comey wasn t even named until may. this investigation had been proceeding for months. you have to give the fbi credit, they knew who and what to ask way back in january. that suggests that they had accumulated it, as phil was saying, a good deal of information before comey was hired. if you were to pick someone in this whole picture that would be most likely to be at the center of russia collusion it will be paul manafort. the indictment coming out today don t touch any of that. none of it touching on what he was doing in the campaign, which is why i said earlier, it will be interesting to know who that high ranking campaign official is because i think that tells us the next step in this story. realized, there s a lot of speculation going on here. collusion is not a legal offense, what s being looked for here in terms of a criminal investigation is did people break the law in various ways. we saw some of those examples today for three different people, maybe four if you count pa december that, and mercury llc is the other one that s in the hot asset. and i think there may be more to come but still no russia collusion here. michael and then lauren. michael. collusion is not a crime by conspiracy is. it is a crime to conspire to interview with an election. it is a conspiracy to violate hacking laws. so there are conspiracy charges that reside in this case. secondly, i think the washington post has reported the communication s been papadopoulos was with manafort and carter. we though who they re communicating with. and so, i think the financial transaction indictment against manafort is the logical first step in leveraging manafort to cooperate if he has information about collusion. similarly with flynn. because the flynn intel group did almost the exact same thing i believe as what the manafort group did. general flynn has a son in the game and and tlaid go after his son as well. and they would go after his son. it s in the dna of every parent to try to protect their child and i think that s going to be part of the reason we see the possibility of flynn cooperating. lauren you wanted to say something? the time line here can t be missed, the efforts by the white house are beginning to try to discredit mueller and people believe that mueller engaged in witch hunt that was accused of him many many months ago when he took the office in may. well, you d have to discredit the fbi not just mueller and his team, but the investigation of the probe before he took the office of special counsel. to do that would have to derail the trust in the executive branchs own action, the department of justice and the fbi. and we were talking a great deal on friday about the issue of, whether or not he is going to be the big fish, we had a national security adviser, we had michael flynn, manafort the campaign chair. other people, the son-in-law. the issue was who was going to be the biggest, but the reality shows us it was the smallest of those fish, papadopoulos, where we know there was a bridge being built and constructed from the fbi intelligence counter probe from last year till now. and that s why papadopoulos is so important and how you know context is going to be everything from mueller s team. a lot more ahead including the reaction from the today paul ryan. at lincoln financial, we get there are some responsibilities of love you gotta do on your own. and some you shouldn t have to shoulder alone. like ensuring your family is protected, today and tomorrow, no matter what the future brings. see how life insurance from lincoln can help start protecting your family s financial future now, at lincolnfinancial.com. lied about his contact to russia. the reality on capitol hill shows how big this is. congressional correspondent joins me. how are they responding to all this? seeing the republican leadership up here on capitol hill, anderson are taking pains to avoid responding to these indictments today. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell avoided press up here on capitol hill. he appeared at a press conference and left before he was able to be asked questions by reporters. speaker of the house, paul ryan was asked about this at an event in wisconsin. here s what he had to say. i have nothing to add to these indictments. this is what bob mueller was tasked to do. i haven t read the documents or the details. but that is our our judicial process works. and this is someone, as speaker of the house, paul ryan is second in line to the presidency. he was asked about this many hours after the indictments came out, stating it s remarkable saying he has not yet read the documents. he was also asked in a radio interview about this today, all he would say anderson, it s not going to derail the focus up here on capitol hill on tax reform but it s sucking up most over the oxygen in the room. what about other members of congress? we heard some saying this is significant, applauding robert mueller saying he s doing his job. warnings at president trump saying warning him not to if on and fire the special council as has been talked about in recent days as could be a potential. democrats say you should not interfere with an investigation. one republican, senator lindsay gram moments ago saying president trump should stay in yore lane and let these proceedings play out. he did add it s okay to talk to the russians, it s just not okay to accept help from them. anderson. all right. thanks very much. the bombshell day for the president is coming at a time where his approval rate is thank youing. 38% say they approve of the job the president is doing. the previous for the poll was 39 in may. joining me now is gloria, and david gurgan. david, speaker ryan, should we expect more from him? he s brushing off and saying looking at the indictment which is the significant development in this investigation. anderson, i m sure he s disstraugt because he does want to push tax reform. i do think speaker ryan s owed more of a statement than he has before. this is too serious and be respectful of the process and let the process play out. speaker ryan has as much of an interest as democrats do and heading off any firing of mueller. gloria, i guess the biggest card in this is how president trump continues to react to mueller s reaction. i ve talked to multiple people today who have given me completely different stories. i have someone whose spoken with the president today whose he s completely cool. when he heard about papadopoulos he said, who the hell is this guy, i don t know who he is. then i spoke with somebody else who spoke with the president. and i said well, somebody described him as cool. this person said, no, he s actually anti-cool. he is hot and bothered. so you re trying to get a picture here of how the president is really reacting, and what the strategy is going to be going forward. because, you know they ve been playing nice with mueller, saying they re handing him all the documents he wants, trying to get the president not to criticize mueller in twitter or anywhere else and that s been holding. but i think the question you have to ask is will the dam break. and john, the warehouse has been trying to distract from day one. is that a possible initiative at this point? for anyone who reads words on the page it s impossible. it s in black and white. i don t see any papers i read some selection from the democrats trying to win elections. when sarah sanders, the white house press sectretary speaking on behalf of the president saying nothing came out today has nothing to do with the campaign. that s not supported by the facts of everything we learned about papadopoulos today. yeah. and david, the president worried the investigation could hurt his ability to negotiate with foreign leaders and quote, the world is less safe because of this investigation and will remain less safe until it is other. does that make sense? it s only less safe if he have an reaction on his part. i do think it is awkward for the president to be going on this foreign trip which is a big deal, at the end of this work for 10 days. it s going to be hard to have the white house maneuver through what could be difficult terrain here. they have to navigate in a way that doesn t lose the public but direct defenses. and gloria, to the point about the president being distracted, those who worked in the clinton warehouse, when president clinton was under investigation he was able to compartmentalize it. they had a group working on that and a jup working on poilsz issues. according to jeff it seemed like the president was up watching t.v. until the afternoon and tweeting. right. when you saw this, it was a i feel like just reading him and i believe in twitter is really a version of the true trump. you do get the sense this is a president who feels like heist kind of punching jell-o here, because he s trying to get true his message. how can he get it through when you have george papadopoulos out there saying, oh i was communicating with these people who was telling me yeah, it sounds like a good idea for you to go to russia. it doesn t make a lot of sense. while some people tell me he s whole cool, i tnd to believe the true trump we see is the one on twitter and that is anything by cool. i think he is clearly fuming about this. david, i think it s important to look at the impact papadopoulos have over the staff. yeah, and one rirn operative i think at the washington pos described it as the walls closing in. and people feel that inside the west wing. there s no doubt as much compartmentization as you like to impose there s no doubt it s oozing going on inside the white house. it s hard to remain 100% focused on the policy issues because this is hanging over their head. this president doesn t compartmentalize he vents. and we may see more of it. all right guys thank you. when we come back the man at the center of it all today. paul manafort. we re going to dig into who he is and what he s accused of doing because it s very complex. next. who are these people? 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