files. health care.com doesn t last. intelligence agencies underestimated isis. the dhs why should we trust what she s saying about the cdc, that they being able to handle this? there s been growing september him we deal with it quickly, we deal with it forcefully to make sure it doesn t happen. it s a big problem for the country. this lack of trust in all of our institutions is one of the more pernicious problems of our time. we understand why people are very worried about ebola, they just don t trust government officials and even private institutions like hospitals to do the job competently and to tell them the truth, we have been battered by incompetent leadership, we have a disease like this hitting our shores, we need to be able to trust our government, we need to be able to trust our institutions, u but we can t. i m going to start with the contrarian view to that, because in your view, distrust of government is not a bad thing. that s what dpe fines conservatism the government is great for roads and obviously for protecting us, and that s important. the problem isn t our cynicism, it s the lack of cynicism in the media, their lack of distrust for president obama has allowed this unfettered incorporate tense to flourish, to unfold. all these scandals that we have discussed have never had any consequences, whether it s the irs, fast and furious, benghazi, because there are no consequences for these scandals, we have seen the white house go from the who is to the animal house. it s a mess, and it s because no one is paying attention, the media has abdictated their responsibility. our citizenship is great. i m talking about the citizens, but when the press doesn t have it, that s a problem. that s an interesting thing. and i want to pull-up this quote from peggy noonan from her column on saturday from the wall street journal, she s fog about civil conserve vants and how there s a lack of the only people who seem to tell the truth now are the people inside the agencies who become whistle blowers, those are people who couldn t take the corruption. what does it say about a great nation when it s most reliable truth tellers are desperate people? approximate but it s true, that s become the culture of responsibility. and we wait, we sit there and hold our breath until a whistle blower comes forward. and we have seen in in a number of scandals that have come forward. i worked as a civil servant, as a prosecutor, representing the state of california. we took great pride in our job, and i wonder where has that gone, where has this feeling of service and dedication, trying to give the most you can, to give back to your country. very disturbing to me because now the american public really does have mistrust. what we have seen the gross mismanagement, when they say i found out on fox news, throw somebody under the bus, that s the pattern and the unfortunate part is that that has become expected. this is an ap poll that s similar to a gallup one, do you think this is built up over time, though, in your experience? yeah, that s one of the things i think we ought to keep in mind here, the unraveling of the trust in government began in the johnson years, obviously nixon in watergate. the last one that probably got through it already is eisenhower achkd maybe kennedy until he was killed. let s remember that roosevelt started a lot of programs. johnson did the great society. and this is a liberal talking. i have said this many times and i will repeat it again. they were all well intentioned, but we bred generations of dependent people. i think the lack of trust in government goes not to the state, you see the local government was very well trusted. it s not anymore. it used to be local anchors and tv stations most trusted. unions are not trusted, corporations are not trusted. what does that tell you about organizations in general? leave aside the government, obama and all the scandals, but this is something that s gone on for decades now and it s only going to get worse. do you think government is just unmanageable at the size that it is and we need to have a humble approach and humility when we think of what government can actually do? we have these speeches, president obama goes to the northwestern university and talks about how great the economy is. we have scandal upon scandal, but one thing that s probably the most scandalous of them all is to tell people that the economy is great, when wages are stagnant, homeowner ship is down. when they say prices aren t going up, tell that to the gas pumps, tell that to the mom who s trying to put food on her table. they exclude the cost of inflation with all these things going up. one more very important, last election president obama vilified the fat cat wall street bankers, remember that class warfare thing, the guys who were in the park, look at the only people who benefitted over the last six years under president obama, the 1%ers in wall street who s become fatter and more rich and no one else is. your obsession with obama, it s as if obama was here since the beginning of time, you don t have a historical perspective of this. i want to talk about washington, you don t want to talk about it. i want to talk about something that took place 20 years, but the fact is, you keep coming back to obama, obama, obama, and it s getting frankly old. is america better off under president obama? according to him, they are. just wait a second, that s my historical perspective, every president has had their moments when people are not satisfied. i remember one in particular, august of 2005 when hurricane katrina hit, and that was a failure at government level that required a lot of review and some new programs that were put in place, or plans that were put in place for better response. we did something about it, when you see something that s a fail, you have to own up to it. and that s leadership and you can learn from that. i just bring up katrina as an kpachl of it s not just necessarily a president obama thing, but maybe it is a government issue. let me ask you about going forward in 2016. if you think you want to be a candidate in 2016, if you believe that a do you believe there would ever be a campaign slogan, i ll do less and not try to reform all these government programs. i think we have become accustomed to the idea that government is here to stay. so you have to persuade the vote they re what you re going to do is actually beneficial and not harmful. the perception that president bhaum is dealing with right now is that he takes no definitive action unless it s easy and pleasing to activists and media who happen to agree with him. so he can make the phone calls, but he can t make the real calls and that s why i think the candidate is important. it s somebody who says i will make the real call when it s absolutely necessary as opposed to this idea of considering options. right now i think we have an administration that is like a finicky diner at a restaurant, asking 20 questionses about the salad dressing while all you want is a beer. that s why people don t see president obama making decisions, they see him dithering. government has not changed, it has grown. when i first came to washington, there were minimal subcommittees. when i first came to washington, there were 1,700 registered lobbyists, there are something like 40,000 of them now. the way i would campaign in 2016 would be, we have run this ship as far as we can the way its built. achkd even i as a liberal, let s do zero based budgeting. but the problem is, we keep building on the titanic. can i ask eric a question based on that? because this morning in the washington host, fred hyatt wrote a piece about how the administration, john panetta had gone out and talked about president obama had solved the problem and they don t need to . in 2014, it looks good on paper, but beyond that, there s actually a disaster waiting to happen. but are they so cynical on a campaign that came in saying they were going to be this party of big ideas has ended up saying they don t even really need to do anything. i didn t read the piece, but they say they have solved the entitlement problem. it s out of control. we have almost 100% more on food stamps than there were 10 years ago. college tuitions are exploding. people can t afford to live, but the entitlement programs are allowing people who can t afford to be fed, being fed and clothed and house bid the government, people are more dependent on government than ever. but it s unsustainable. financially not sustainable. but it s a great way to garner votes. eric, you keep talking about obama and food stamps, obama and this, obama and that. do you realize that the rules changed and people became more eligible for food stamps under obama. u you re wrong. you got to understand that bill clinton instituted a work for welfare, you remember that? president obama lifted that rule. he did not? there have been modifications to it that have made modifications, i agree with that, but he didn t lift it. to what bob said about what a candidate should do. a smart candidate would be looking for one lasting symbol of the obama administration to hang it on and that would be the white house intruder. the one thing that i think that can cover every problem that s gone wrong is a country with it s guard down. whether it is terror, whether it is debt, borders, the white house door. we re 17 trillion in debt and we can t afford a lock. america, it seems like everything s open and nobody s home. and if somebody can articulate that per sively that we start thinking a broader context that, we just think about obama, obama, obama. i understand, i think you do. but i think certainly the way that we pick topics here, it s generally anti-obama, anti-obama. it s bigger than that, obama s going to be gone in two years. i agree with you, and whoever the president he or she is, at that point, if the policy is the say. high taxization, redpribting of wealth. you ll get the same thing. we re not going to stop talking or analyzing ow things could be done in a better way. i got to go. where are you going? i m not leaving. we ha . up next, president obama s former press secretary, says americans need to get ready for a really long war against radical islam. how long? we ll have the answer when we come back. in its latest beheading tape, isis has threatened to murder a former u.s. army ranger. the driving force in our family has always been to serve others. our son was living his life according to that same humanitarian call when he was taken captives. we implore his captives to use their power and let our son go. they got a letter from their son who said he is afraid to die. the 36-year-old has been held captive for a year. leon panetta says america needs to be prepared for a very long war. i think it represents the kind of evil nature of that kind of islamic extremism that is just as dangerous as al qaeda. if they establish a base of operations in that part of the world, it s only a matter of time before they will then use it as a basis on which to attack this country. i think we re looking at, you know, kind of a 30-year war, kind of history here. and that was a big piece of news that came out, or at least one of them, of a particular interview, bob, you have work experience with panetta, what do you think of these comments? is he realistic? he s an old friend of mine when i first ran for congress. what bothers me is not some of the policy differences he has, although i m not sure putting weapons into syria three years ago would have gotten this thing not to have happened. but what amazes me is, the big story we hear on attacks on obama s policy always seem to come when they re out pushing their books. think about it, the big stories we have heard have been around books. if that it seems to me at some point, you got a responsibility to stand up and say, after you re out of government, this was wrong. i have got to ask leon and he s going to be yelling at me, i know. i ve got to ask him, why didn t say this before his book was published? i don t think it s untrue. i think he believes it. some of it is right that he believes and some of it i these he s dead wrong. but don t you think he could actually change the course of politics? it s like gates and panetta, they could have changed it a lot more if they weren t selling books. i m agreeing with you, if this was so important, he should have been saying this when it mattered, it s like showing up at the titanic a month later with a life jacket, like this could have helped us make decisions earlier if he was more very sif rouse about his feelings, but it s also a book and it s to help hillary, wright? i think you re right. whatever reasons, the motivation of his book or he just really believes it or both, or neither, or whether it s just for hillary, i think he s right, i think we are involved, maybe not 30 years, maybe a 300-year war with radical islam and finally someone will call it a war with radical islam. but do you realize what we have become? europe opened the door to everyone. they said come on in, we love you. europe is a lost cause right now. in some parts of europe, they have a 40% muslim population with a radical islam problem that they can t solve. if we keep doing the same thing here, saying come on, we ll take all comers, don t worry about it, we re not going to question you, we re going to become europe in 20 or 30 years, especially if we have a porous border in the south, we re allowing everyone to say, we might be in big trouble, radical islam wants to spread. and it will take the path of least resistance. i want to bring dana in on this. i want to get your reaction. this is fbi director comey on 60 minutes talking about americans that in fact were fighting with isis are entitled under the law to come back into the united states. how many americans are fighting in syria on the side of the terrorists? in the area of a dozen or so. do you know who they are? yes. each and every one of them. i think of that dozen or so, i do. i hesitate because i don t know what adon t know. with american passports, how do you keep them from coming home and attacking the home land? ultimately an american citizen, unless their passport is revoked is entitleled to come back, so someone what has fought with isil, we will track them very carefully. dana, here s the position that you have been, fbi director, he comes outs and tells the american people, i know what i know, i don t know what i don t know. that s true. you can only actually know the things that you are able to surveil, the information, the tools that you have available. i mean i m surprised it is only 12 people. foreign fighters are talking about all summer the concern that i thought it was more that were over in syriaed that what western passports, but i think that is true a lot more in europe than the united states. legally, are they allowed to come back into the united states? yes, unless we change the law, and his job is to follow the law. and i also think when he s being candid and realistic, in saying we think we have got them, we re doing everything we can, but we might not, and you have to remain vigilant. he s covering his ass like everybody else is. there are going to be a big attack, there will be one, i think in the next five years, maybe in the next year, and everybody will be able to say, unlike 9/11, i told everybody there was going to be a big attack. and i don t blame him for going out, it serves a dual purpose, one it does warn people, and secondly it does cover him. they don t want to relive what happened to the people who were in the intelligence community back on 9/11. but i still go back to my point, when you talk got the bhuz limbs in europe, in the last 200 years, they almost took over all of europe. that s why they re there. bob, you re very interesting today, i like your historical perspective. my only comment was, they had an absolute open border policy about and there are pockets of radical islam within europe that they don t go in and they don t even check and they don t they re not even abiding by local laws, they re dictating their own laws and that s a problem. that pc political correctness that goes on there, if we want some of that there you use the law as a weapon, you can change the law, that s the beauty of it, when you educate, when you learn, you can find ways to protect the company. instead of worrying about being friendly all the time, do what you can to prevent these people from coming back into the country. he s an extremely well respected guy, i would much rather hear somebody like him say we think we have got them all and we re working on it rather than having a president who s running for re-election saying al qaeda is on the run. i actually would must rather have the honesty of comby. he says we re expecting an attack, we know these people are hell bent on destruction and we re going to be ready for it. when we come back, some members of a senate campaign family are caught on tape exposing what they say are lies coming out of the politicians mouths, that and more coming up in the fastest seven next. well, welcome back. time for the fastest seven minutes on television. plea political stories, seven pdq minutes. next up, democrat allison lundgren grimes is some of her own campaign workers say, they were caught on under cover camera. watch this. you can t be a state wide politician and con tell coal, you can t, you re not gonna win. she s saying something positive about coal because she wants to be elected? riling. and in the state of kentucky, if you re anti-coal, you will not get elected, period. i mean i really don t think her part is 100% in backing coal, but she has to say she is because she will not get a huge number of votes if she doesn t. i mean there were several of them, we only had time for a couple. but there were several and it was a common theme, she needs to stay what she needs to say to get elected, even though she probably doesn t believe it. isn t that politics today? and that s what everybody knows, that s why there s such dissatisfaction and low poll numbers when it comes down to people s belief and trust in politicians. you have someone saying, i m not going to listen to what s going on in d.c., or listen to those people, the other politicians, i m just going to listen to you directly, be responsible to the voters, that s what i m going to own up to. what s your problem, bob? i don t have a problem, but i don t know of a single politician in kentucky or west virginia who hasn t they re very powerful, they got a lot of money. she probably doesn t believe in everything they do. so you don t have a problem with it? i have told candidates in kentucky, even though they don t like coal, love it. at one point, one of these advisors or operatives said that the kentucky voters are stupid. that s not going to help. bob? you want to say anything, bob? let me put it this way, there s some of those places, all their dogs are not under the porch. so you can just run that over and over again democrats. i think the overall destruction of the coal industry is an issue that deserves a whole lot more attention. and president obama in his last two year will do nothing to help the coal tindustry. we need to understand the benefits of coal and what it means to the environment. the world s deadliest environmental issue, and i m talking about in the world, bigger than anything, is indoor air pollution, 3.5 million people die every year from burning dung, twigs and cardboard. it s important. you got to get that stuff out of your house. there s no leo dicaprio, there s no environmentalists that are talking about that what could save 3.5 million people, those little black rocks, the ones they demonize. let me make sure i get all three of these topics in. last month the president i m not on the ballot this fall. but make no mistake, these policies are on the ballot. every single one of them. that didn t sit well with david axelrod, former obama c campaign guru who called president obama out for not being honest. it was a mistake, but, you know, fundamentally, the issue that he should be driving and the democratic party should be driving is forward looking, because the problem is how are middle class people going to make a living in this country and how are policies going to help. we have to have that debate. i m not sure what obama is confirming a vote of no confidence on his policies or if it s axelrod going the president was telling the truth. and it was written into the speech, so presumably he read it, the speech before hand, he wanted to say it and he s being honest, so if their honesty doesn t match their campaign ambitions, just like in the first part of fastest seven, lying to the coal lobby there in kentucky, then i have to think that the bigger problem here the democrats. just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may and if you don t win they want to win, they re going to do and say whatever it takes. bob, i mean, come on. i ll pay for it. you guys, the bigger story here is axelrod shaved his mustache, this reveals an essential truth that democrats can t grow mustaches, when you look at stosle s or john bolton s, axelrod s was like a soggy miniwheat. and i love the fact that he had that removed. the just one point about this, i agree that these policies will win this election. when you re at 40% in the 308s, it s generally a good idea not say, i m at 40%, i m not on the ballot, but put me on the ballot. before we go, saturday night live s cold open highlight what is we talked about last monday, the softball interview 60 minutes delivered last weekend. do you think you underestimated the threat of isis? without question, yes, and obviously my entire administration shares the blame about that, but first, can i throw one particular person under the bus. sure, go ahead. jail clapper. you made the point that s s isis and the claumic faith has no can beation. do you know that the first i in isis stands for islamic? i mean who knew? yeah, all right. well the other parts of it are very funny. i don t know, we have played it all day. it s keeping me awake and going. it was very funny. i mean it s clever. now you know, things are really a little dicey when snl is getting after them, i mean, come on. i said this before, this never leaves bruises, it s like citing know montana for his quarterback abilities now after he s retired. the guy all right won two elections, this is not guts, no comedian on saturday night live went after obama when it mattered. why is he doing it now? senate life should stop ripping off the ground links. can i say something nice about the muslims and islamic the islamic community across the world is standing up to isis. and isis is not a religion, it s not a state. what bloc is it. how is this what s going on? saturday night live ? because he asked the question got isis. didn t i tell you it was funny? you might be able to make that point in the next block. okay, sorry about that, it was still lousy acting. no, he s actually good, i think he s got a good take on obama. save that thought, dana s right, because the next block is, it s really hot. ahead on the five, ben affleck and bill maher, ben accuses bill of racism, it goes back and forth. so friday, ben affleck became a crusader over islam. marilyn harris argue that liberals are cowards when it comes to facing radical islam s acts. affleck proved their point by calling them bigots. maybe it s not a real thing, that if you re critical of something. it s not a real thing when we do it. right. i m not denying that certain people are bigoted against muslims as people. and that s a problem. bigoted. but it s racist. you re not listening to what we are saying. we have to be able to criticize bad ideas. of course we do. the only religion that acts like the mafia that will kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book. what is your solution? we killed more muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot. yet somehow we re exempt. because it s not really a reflection of what we believe in. ben relied on that emotional crowd pleaser, cries of racism. it s the crisis that takes off when liberal orthodoxy is inability to celebrate identification of evil from platitudes on tolerance is what enables evil to thrive. affleck doesn t help, worse he didn t see that where his point ends is where the rest of us begin. yes, we get that it s wrong to stereotype. but then we study the facts, we could all pretend the world is an ad, but that stops nothing behind those crimes is a sick ideology that preys upon the pass sixth of west. radical islam repeating this dance among the modern progress sifs, are affleck is soaked in self right chusness in need of a script because his words ring hollow. and in a shock to even himself, mahr becomes the sanest man in the world. doesn t this conflict seem the among liberals that there are staunch anti-communists who were liberals and there were those among the liberals that with respect. there are a lot of liberals who don t like radical islam and there are very few people who the way i listen to you say this is because of political correctness on the left, people are getting beheaded. it s just those ridiculous i m just saying generally, people say, you know, all these bleeping little liberals, if they would just shut their mouths about this or be politically correct, we wouldn t have isis around. come on, both of you all ought to get a life. in this era of political correctness, if you come out against the horrors of radical islam what ben was equating that with, which was racism. but we do realize that islam is a religion. it s not a race. but you know what s the biggest difference between the west and the world of islam? is that we got to see that debate. yes. i was really interested. i don t think that ben affleck made great points, i would have sided with the others. but i love to the facts that we actually got to hear the discussion. rosie o donnell after seeing that said that ben affleck ought to be president. sam harris made some amazing points. some of the things we have been talking about here, affleck didn t want to hear that, he incited gay rights, and i m thinking, of all the places to bring up gay rights, you really want to defend islam and then bring up gay rights? that s the problem, mixing it up. rosie says this also, he was looking for a fight. affleck was looking to make a statement. he was keyed up. no doubt. he s passionate about what he believes, but the problem is he s getting confused. because bill maher is making a great point, he s talking about the difference between muslim and islam a religion that isis and terror groups are using to justify some of the most horrific crimes that have ever been committed since the holocaust all based on and all interpretation of the koran and that s what bill maher and others are taking issue with. around this table, i think we can say there s four conservatives and one liberal. i was the first one to come out and attack the muslim islamists. the radicals? yes, because a lot of them were afraid to do it in the muslim community and in the united states. they were afraid of getting in a fatwa. i ll say fatwa this, fatwa that. the beheader is actually british, so it s not about race at all. it s about belief. why do you keep making these important points? i don t know why. the director of the fbi has new details on ch i have always thought our biggest threat was china. our fbi director is warning every company here is at risk. how many hits from china do we take in a day? many, many, many. and there are two kinds of big companies in the united states, there are those who have been hacked by the chinese and those who don t know they have been hacked by the chinese. the chinese are that good. actually not that good, i liken them to a drunk burglar, nouking over a vase while they re taking your television set. how much does it cost every year? billions. let me just say quickly that these kbhis, we educate them in computer sciences, chinese people, and we then send them back to china and they then hack us. and if somebody will begin to realize that of all the threats the united states has, whether it s islamic terrorism or this or that, china is the single biggest threat to this country, and it will be for 100 years, they don t like us, they re going to rip us off and they play the game because they re a big market. jp morgan announced that 76 million households have been hacked, that their accounts had been compromised but the blame goes to the russians, not the chinese and so china might be a threat, but i think the russians also invading sovereign territory, causing the downing of a passenger airliner, i think the russians are just as dangerous. i got to be honest, these are such old world threats, they seem so quaint, like russia and china, they re like your grand father fears because the chinese government are not beheading innocents or exporting terror. but i hear your anger but i feel like it s not they re becoming more capitalist and i know they have a lot of human rights, but i m more interested in an ideology that s actually trying to come and troy us. i think you re right, i think china is our biggest financial threat. it s costing us hundreds of billions. our biggest safety threat is iran. one is physical and one the financial. somebody said his budget is $8 billion? it should be $10 billion. they have to worry about our safety and our financial. they have stolen all of our stuff. it s time now for one more thing. greg gets to go first. and it s time for, greg s secrets to happiness. all right, the secret to happiness, set up parents, let s go to a zoo in zurich, this is a little baby elephant, i m not drunk, but i fell over. and then the parents come over to help out. there they go, you see they help them up? can we do this? i didn t do this. i don t remember. the moral to the story is, wherever you re at a playground, be there for your kid and also have the elephant wear a helmet. not a bad idea, that was a lovely story. very quickly, homeland security homeland season 4 premiered last night. behold the awesomeness. i m s up. you there s another way. making contact with at least 100 locals. there s a new thing back here. it s not here. it s under the seat. it s not here. great show. that was great, one more thing. kimberly? okay, is anyone into bubbles? yes. you would be. you mean the chimp? no, a hydropod. a long time endurance swimmer wanted to ride this to birmingh he had been resting at night, the poor guy. that was a stupid idea. i want to talk about the protests in hong kong, people asking just for some more self-determination from the chinese government. mcdonald s is actually offering free toothpaste with its meals, which is the important thing when you re protesting. interesting thing for mcdonald s to do, especially when they re trying to do business there. in san francisco, only one team has come back, that was the giants in 2012. krauthammer happy w it is tuesday, october 7th, a fox news alert. the u.s. ramping up screening for ebola. is it enough to stop the spread here in the u.s.? we are live with a new plan of action. busted at a major airport accused of trying to join isis. his reason just revealed in a letter to his parents. airline seats are shrinking and airline air rage is growing. fox and friends first starts right now. good morning. you are watching fox & friends first on this tuesday morning. i am lea gabriel. i am heather childers. a spanish nurse who treated two missionaries test positive for the first case outside of africa. 30 others are being hon tored. thomas kun dan duncan is thea new drug. the nbc photographer now under going a treatment apat a hospital in nebraska. said to be in good spirits. the u.s. is ramping up airport screenings to keep ebola from spreading. for the first time a nurse in barcelona came in contact twice with a missionary in sierra leone once before he died and once after. a news photographer is being treated for ebola in nebraska his parents say this is scary stuff. easy norm mousily relieved to be here. it is still quite frightening but he is hanging
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