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story as it comes through the day. more now on the fall in energy prices in england, wales and scotland. the energy regulator, ofgem, has announced a new, lower, price cap for energy bills from october. the typical household bill will fall by £151 to £1,923 a year. the drop is because of lower wholesale gas prices, but average bills will still be higher than they were two years ago. let's talk tojonathan bean, policy spokesperson at energy for all. he's been helped by fuel poverty action whilst himself experiencing fuel poverty. jonathan, thank you so much for talking to us today. and if you don't mind first of alljust telling us, if you don't mind with your experience, what does it mean to experience, what does it mean to experience fuel poverty?-
down. it is fun to watch them sit. >> steve: that's one of the requirements. i heard -- brian, talk to the governor here in a minute. apparently they made a provision if you want to, governor, because you have the torn achilles, can you sit down during the commercial break. i don't think he did. you could see he was walking around. speaking of walking around, brian, you have people behind you. walk around and talk to about the big show last night. >> keep in mind, locally, it's 5:25. these people are dedicated. they have a big day ahead of them they all stayed up until about 11:00 eastern. what's your name. >> jason. >> what was your thoughts. >> vivek responded well to the attacks. he performed beyond exception. >> brian: you chose, you don't want to be on camera, actually she liked vivek too. is it safe to say that. voice off camera liked vivek. what's your name? >> jonathan. >> you guys look so much like. can you pan the table are you guys related. >> yes. >> do you get along. >> pretty much. >> brian: were you allowed to stay up last night?
they have him preparing to take fire from all sides of the de debate. they put emphasis on this debate for him to demonstrate he is the front-runner in the trump alternatives. there's a lot of candidates trying to break out, as well. a lot of them have a lot more experience on a debate stage than desantis. it will be interesting to see if he can stand up to the lofty expectations his campaign has set up for him. >> jonathan, would you like to join us? >> i'm going to walk in. they put me in the corner. >> no one puts john berman in the corner. >> they didn't want me distracting you. >> can we discuss, how you take over, when we are talking about ron desantis, he has one of his coaches that we often have talked to in previous cycles.
>> the mall was the big hangout. >> i met my husband at the mall. >> so did i. >> it has played a pivotal part in our lives. >> for the marcell sisters, all six of them, along with their brother, jonathan, the cottonwood mall in albuquerque was the center of their social lives. 17-year-old brittani worked at a sunglasses kiosk. >> she is this blue-eyed girl with a big eyes and a striking smile. >> life was simple good, until september 11th, 2008, brittani just starting her senior year of high school had planned to meet her mom for lunch. >> i opened the door and i saw her favorite pair of sunglasses
>> let's be honest, ron desantis's campaign is flopping and flailing. he along with others are pretty much auditioning to be the vice president. that's why you don't see them really going against donald trump. you have a few of them like governor asa hundreds and, and governor chris christie, that are there to stop him from becoming the hot nominee. but they don't have the chance either. what i would say for rhonda scent is is that it's a bit too late for him to pivot from his extremely radical record. he should try to do what he can to end up as the number two in the tica. >> jonathan, what with that receives has in mind. the nomination is one state by state, delegate by delegate. if you look at national polling averages from 5:38, trump's nearly 40% ahead of his closest competitor, ron desantis. do you expect candidates at the debate are gonna focus on desantis to get more attainable second place spot that the sand is apparently is going for? >> i think so.
candidates. they need to see him close the gap with trump. in the memo, they advise desantis to defend trump, pick a fight with chris christie. donors want to see him close the gap will not see that if desantis isn't willing to take on the leader of this primary and is just carrying water for him in a national debate. >> it's interesting. there are so many pitfalls for taking one side or the other. jonathan, politico reports that mike pence is relishing the opportunity to draw contrast with trump. how important could this debate be? i guess it's important for all of them, whether trump shows up or not. but for pence, what does he have to do? >> he will have to start convincing republicans that donald trump was wrong and that he was right. he has been trying to do that on the campaign trail. there's a huge persuasion effort that goes into that.
blame and whatnot. i say the patience we need to have to wait for the answers. it's not easy to wait, but i strongly believe patience, aloha and malama is the way to get through this. >> that's really beautiful. jonathan, thank you very much for sharing that with us. our hearts are with you. >> mahala. aloha. could trump's latest indictment in georgia affect his support in the peach state? we will break down those numbers. that's coming up next. which star skilled handnds at work. from cutting hair, and mowingng grass, to roasting marshmallows, he's got a grasp on what matters most. there's a story in every piece of land, run with us on a john deere tractor and start telling yours. get $1,000 off a 1025r tractor and 0% apr fixed rate for 60 months. the first time you connected your godaddy website and your store was also the first time you realized...
the minute the camera goes off and the mics are off, you are in the corner regrouping and getting the facts and information that you need to let the public know, because, obviously, we are thinking about their safety as well. >> jonathan, to that point, you were tug about the advisories and what you were learning in real time while at work. as somebody who does this for a living, what questions are unanswered? we heard about the lack of warning, about how people's cellphones weren't working so they couldn't get some messages. where do you think answers are need inside terms of how this actually happened and the devastation didn't seem -- it seemed to creep up so fast on the entire community. >> gosh, that's a hard question to answer. the bottom line is this. the people of hawaii have always been rooted in the spirit of owe hannah, which is family. and i know how painstaking this is, i know the hurt, i know just the deep void we all feel because losing lahaina, losing our family members is something
now, we are getting a first look on the ground in the worst hit area of wildfire ravaged lahaina. you can see, just look at these pictures, the charred cars, burned out homes, the scope, you can barely get your head around it. fema is looking for those still missing. here is how the hawaiian governor is describes the process. >> we are beginning to heal, but we are also having our hearts broken as we see the loss of life. >> our next guest reported for hawaiian news now, the whole time worried about his own family living on the island. friday to get the tragic news four families didn't make it. jonathan joins us now. we can't even put into words how sorry we are for your loss. along those lines -- >> thank you, tell us about the four members of your family and how did you find out in the midst of this tragedy?