Bin laden to have lived here more than five years without some form of support within the establishment. he says it s highly unlikely he received any help from the senior levels of military intelligence although it s possible help could have come from lower levels, junior ranks, rogue elements here or perhaps higher level officials who have sense retired. your conversation with that former official is fascinating. if he says we re not complicit with it that means the isi was ignorant osama bin laden was living 35 miles outside islamabad. i think if the cia new obama was living in greenwich, i think they would have found him in five years. it s a no win situation. they re either dumb or complicit. reporter: you re right. the word they used is we re hurt right now. they re upset the u.s. didn t provide them any intelligence in advance of this, came in the
Mubarak and used threats in order to dissuade protesters. let me be very clear, that in fact, far from being displeased with the speech today, arab dictators are very pleased today because mubarak has decided to fight to the end. because mubarak will not leave egypt humiliated. because mubarak will stick around and fight. that s exactly what arab dictators want him to do. because the worse option for them would have been for president mubarak to basically depart on a plane to leave egypt. but the reality is, the reality is, tomorrow and the next few days, will most likely witness a major escalation. in fact, i would say that the military still in play because egypt, we do not know what the junior officers think. dylan, when we talk about the egyptian army, it s not a man know list. there monolith. there is a basic divide between the senior ranks of officers and junior ranks.
I think the reason why this is a very dangerous situation, not because there is a great deal of upheaval in egypt, but because neither mubarak nor suleiman or their allies appreciate how dangerous the situation is and that they are really dine dye know saurs living in a different age. tomorrow it s going to be a big day. my hope, my hope is that the army or at least the junior ranks in the army, basically will make up thei mind before the situations spiral out of control. i do hope, too, that president barack obama will come out and be very unambiguous, the united states of america, of course, will always seek stability, but at the same time, will support forces, democratic forces, forces that would like to establish a new era of open society and transparent societies. we are joined now by congressman mike pens, a republican from indiana. congressman, do you believe that