in january twenty eighth teen we met a chinese mother looking for her son after she was sold by human smugglers. now we re back with changing and she s still looking. we accompany her to police stations playgrounds boys. will turn changing never see her son again. the whole story didn t report her on t w. when we talk about rich people we often say she s worth one hundred million when disaster strikes we say the tragedy has cost more than one hundred lives the workforce of a company is often described as human capital wealth cost capital our language shows it we put a value on ourselves what is the value of a human being can we put a number to it and if so what is that number how can it be quantified and is the same figure for everyone that s what we re talking about today on made in germany the value of human me the value of human life. but turns out there are various ways to calculate a person s worth it s just a question of the stale use if you look at by a mosque for example you and i don t add up to much but if you apply a different scale you could be worth millions. what s a human being worth. if you break down the body it s about sixty six percent water twenty percent carbon six percent oxygen and two percent all told the elements in the human body are worth about ten euro. the body also contains some gold nickel and copper but in trace amounts too small to calculate so in chemical terms that humans know more valuable than fish meat or autumn leaves in terms of organs however the body is a gold mine they re worth an estimated one point seven million euros. on the black market that is whether the donor would see any of that some is another matter some people s body parts are worth even more. soccer player cristiana rinaldo his legs for example are insured for one hundred forty million euros let s look at productivity as a measure. the term human capital was coined by a columnists to describe the economic value of human capacities. to some the term has connotations of slavery to others it reflects a progressive idea of employees as capital rather than expense what about dependence and compensation how much can dependents be compensated if you lose your life in an accident or a disaster when that varies. the family of a policeman who died in the nine eleven terror attacks was paid eight hundred fifty thousand dollars in federal compensation. but the family of a stockbroker who perished received six million dollars on the grounds that the stockbroker earned more and would have continued to do so loss of future earnings in other words that s how capitalism works. and humans emotional words insurance companies can t put a price tag on that only our loved one s hand. now some people actually have made it that business to calculate a human being s worth because after a disaster for example a plane crash or a car accident any incident that costs human life compensation is often paid by those responsible to the relatives of the victims that money has to be fairly distributed and that is what kenneth feinberg specializes in he spoke to our reporter liz ahead when you say you can t value a life with money you have a better idea this is how you compensate this is how you provide assistance to an innocent victim the stockbroker who gets hit by an automobile right here in washington will get his family will get more money then the waiter or the busboy who gets struck. down talk to me time and again dispute resolution expert kenneth feinberg has called in when a catastrophe has claimed many victims and lots of compensation money is at stake calculating the value of a life it might be one of the most unenviable task in the world. feinberg s most high profile case so far involves the nine eleven terrorist attacks which killed nearly three thousand people in two thousand and one. feinberg was responsible for administering the money from the u.s. federal government september eleventh victim compensation fund but who was to get it and how much how do you calculate what a life is worth what would the victim have and overall work life but for nine eleven and something for pain and suffering emotional distress is the award what you need is a calculating machine not a law degree. sounds pretty cold isn t that system completely unfair i agree that it s unfair but everything about these funds is unfair what s fair about telling somebody well you lost just sista. i will give you three million dollars because with calculated your sister s life earnings. i mean don t expect people in grief emotionally vulnerable don t expect them ever to say mr feinberg thank you. as compensation fund administrator kenneth feinberg had sole discretion to decide who was eligible and how much they d receive. it was a lot of power in the hands of one man. in germany bereaved families all get the same amount. after the boston marathon bombing he was in charge of administering about eighty million dollars. for the deepwater horizon oil rig explosion in the gulf of mexico he distributed twenty billion dollars feinberg says interacting with the suffering families is the hard part i initially in nine eleven assume and i m a lawyer i ll approach this as a lawyer would approach big mistake i should have approached it like in the boston marathon as a rabbi or a priest or a psychiatrist when i take on one of the society that s gracious self in the emotional tsunami feinberg has awarded compensation to thousands of surviving dependents that hasn t only made him friends the biggest criticism is that he has too much power without transparency and he s also been well compensated during the deepwater horizon settlement oil company b.p. paid his law firm over a million dollars a month in nine eleven i worked for the victims congress passed a law that i was working to help the victims and i did that pro bono patriotic you could get paid for that. in b.p. there was a dispute. i was paid a lot of people complained that even though i was independent i was really in the back pocket of b.p. the way you overcome that is by getting very generous money out to doris and she can can it feinberg s work is far more than a job it s become a calling if the president of the united states calls and says can you know how to do this we need you what you going to tell him i m busy can t do it not comfortable. you re a citizen you want to get back to the country. you do it. well one way to determine a person s worth is very simple just take a look at that person s paycheck the value of your labor as one key measure of your was some countries define a lower limit on the value of your labor that s the minimum wage but if you end up in prison for example you might end up losing a lot of that value. the inmates at this present are hard at work from seven in the morning until three in the afternoon five days a week. in most german states work is compulsory in prisons. and guards have said in germany prison inmates are in one to three year olds an hour or that s well below the legal minimum wage it s the same here in this prison but is a system fair or are companies that outsource their manufacturing to prisons exploiting this cheap labor. here at the plame affair at present and lower saxony about two hundred seventy convicted criminals are held serving sentences ranging from months to years. their cells measure just ten square meters. all of the inmates here work. we ask manuel how much he earns. i mean wage bracket for i get the highest rate in your eyes five all fifteen of these a day yes it s not much but it s a bit more than what the others get. on fin is that enough and no it s not enough it could be more every month it s just never anonymous before. he works thirty five and a half hours a week and earns three hundred euros a month. so just over two euro s an hour. on the regular labor market the minimum wage in germany. is eight years eighty four an hour. that s one thousand two hundred euros a month. that also allows for pension contributions. but prison inmates are officially excluded from the national pension system. i have a meeting with prison director on of even. new from the. minimum wage doesn t apply to prison inmates that s a political decision i don t need to comment on that. but as a person director i can tell you that if the national minimum wage applied here we probably wouldn t have any work here at off to shift it s important for the prisoners to have something constructive to do just imagine if they had to spend seven days a week in their cells with only a few hours a day of activities for exercise we see a lot more on rust and aggression shift. but it s also clear that outside companies are benefiting from the ready source of cheap labor the authorities here won t tell me which companies are working with us present. nationwide the firms outsourcing work to prisons include mena not the seat b.m.w. and dima. we want to know how these companies justify this massive undercutting of the minimum wage. most of those contacted gave us similar answers. it helps with rehabilitation and reintegration into society they say. companies simply pass the buck believing they re not responsible for the low wages. it s a political question they say it is for lawmakers. twenty seventeen german companies paid over one hundred sixty million euros for work done in the country s prisons. one businessman his he s cheap prison labor is competition as. he says outsourced production in prisons is destroying his business. has a packaging company based near hanover business used to be good and he had sixty employees now it s just him and his wife he s lost one customer after another. this you say prisons are unfair competition why. some companies i ve spoken to have told me outright that i just can t manufacture as cheaply as the prisons can. i can only speak for my line of business which is packaging where the ratio is about one to three. isn t as it so you re three times as expensive as present. right of course i m out of the running to put it bluntly they re using convicted criminals to work for them at rates that are criminal on the free market if you don t pay the minimum wage and you don t pay pension contributions and be eighty then you re taken to court and penalized i don t see how you re hoping someone reintegrate into society if you re basically exploiting them. his frustration is clear after all it s his livelihood that s at stake. the prisoners can make purchases with their wages but their money doesn t go very far young kristen has been behind bars since early this year. in france i have forty one year olds left after i ve paid my share of the electricity and other bills on the phone fortunately i don t drink coffee coffee here it s very expensive which is hard for people who need both coffee and cigarettes extreme. how much do you have left after that. just enough to get through the month. he s also required to put some money aside for when he gets out. my system this to what s more important to him passing the time for earning money. for me for me personally it s more about making my time here go faster than earning a wage to me but it s hard to compare the two i can t really compare them because of course you want to have some money too so the wage is just as important in a way but right now it s more about passing the time with the gives me a better device. to just. after a day s work the prisoners go back to their cells as for me my work day is over to . i m left feeling grateful for my freedom and for being able to choose the work that i do. this painting here that you see here behind me is sold for four hundred fifty million dollars last year it was painted by leonardo da vinci school sold out on monday and is the most expensive piece of art ever sold you know not of himself was not a poor man but the value of his works only rose astronomically hundreds of years after his death this is the same as many artists live today in precarious circumstances and the capricious art market puts little value on an artist s current life. and i think that painting is the right place for someone who is both sensitive and ruthless and someone who doesn t care if they make their parents happy and more if they are in money than them it. daniel covers plastic films in paint and creates collages with them. a single work can take him weeks to complete sometimes even months. and financially i never look past next month s you know that sometimes ok and sometimes less so kind of means no holidays away and with the threat of a poverty and all the age. then the one in the rewards of painting or in painting itself you know. having the freedom to live our lives such a way that we devote ourselves to find our fulfillment in it there s ecstasy and joy in that and in doing the right thing. and. contracts and bells financial matters can track you back to earth as an artist life is usually hunting mouth for all those who can t crack the commercial side of the art world and daniel has problems with the notion of marketing himself and money his paintings cost upwards of fifteen hundred euros a piece he usually only sells five or six in a year and often need state welfare to supplement his income. the german capital has become a magnet for artists from all over the world. but a few artists do make it big like those who exhibit at one of the eigen plus part gallery. overt get how they look represented some of the biggest names in german contemporary art like neo i m just i m not so the best thing as a young artist is to open your own gallery or several join together to do it. we don t take on new artists are such little it s more a case of don t call us we ll call you with all of you and. if something catches the team s attention or if one of our artists says hey check this out as well then we ll check it out. but we don t have time to look through all the applications that arrive here. does it fit don t we all the freedom to create the art he wants is more important than profiting from it so far he s sold his pictures more or less by chance to friends family and if you collect it here for. the freedom to do what i want nothing is the most precious thing i have asked for and so i m willing to accept necessarily compete with the others like everyone else does. nothing is ever for free not even desk because that will cost you your life and then some here in germany dying will set you back up to six thousand euros and there s a thriving business around everything mortal by colleagues of mine took a closer look at the business of death. as i mean i ve never really thought much about cough and. definitely not it s pinewood individually decorated coolness of rectangular walnut birch. italian style solid wood which i like. most of the coffins here cost between one and three thousand euros. less that is not crucial if i were picking one for my own burial i d be asking how much am i worth. or if it s for one of my loved ones what are they worth to me should i shell out one two or three thousand euros and cards when i have not had to ask myself that question so far but it s one that everyone probably has to ask at some point. what are we worth when we die. this funeral home has been dealing with death since eight hundred sixty one fabiani lensing who heads the family business says the funeral i ve picked would cost three and a half thousand euros the price reflects not just the coffin and the flowers i ve chosen but also the fact that lensing is available around the clock. as it s different with sometimes we spend five hours with a client discussing all the details that we might work on the text for the death announcement or on the decorations of the funeral service the music there are lots of details as and and i think you can only do them justice by discussing them in person. because anything is pretty good i just. undertakers are often criticised for charging too much the bereaved tend not to haggle. but what p.r. involved has his company can offer funerals thirty percent cheaper with no hidden costs the berlin startup has raised millions from investors the purchasing and planning processes have been digitalized customers can select everything on their computers or via telephone hotline that way they can see how much each item costs and what the total price will be. as an exception i get a personal consultation here the same package i d picture earlier would cost around six hundred euros less. but what kind if because people don t really have a sense of what it costs we made a video about that we went out and asked people what they thought of funeral costs and the answers ranged from five thousand to fifteen thousand euros or much more we heard everything this is a pretty long time so people don t know what a fair price would be yes exactly i don t think they have any sense of what the right price might be but if the up prices the. deficit big business. in germany about nine hundred thousand people die each year with funeral revenues totaling two billion euros it s a market that conventional full service undertakers like fabienne benson are having to share with more and more new competitors and. here he is making the final preparations in the chapel before the mourners his clients arrive he says his company s image has less to do with pricing than its reputation for reliability. and he says he can t compete with startups that have the backing of big investors. feeling these are often institutional investors that put money into lots of things of their like we ll see maybe it ll pay and it may be at work that market leads to a distortion of the market for the smaller businesses that might not have the resources to keep up with prices like that squeezed out. digitalisation is changing things in his industry. true most people still prefer to hire undertakers to guide them personally through the funeral process rather than plan the event themselves on their computers. but i m convinced that for my generation that will have changed when our time comes. well thomas come that s all for today before you go though a personal note here at made in germany we had an intense discussions about the topic today how much any human is worth if you can actually put a number to it and here is what we all agreed on. so in ethical terms it s impossible to calculate what a human being is worse rich or poor in the ways that matter we re all the same economic logic and human dignity just can t be weighed on the same scale. well there you have it. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. glad. to. see. the conflicts running the books. some damaging state election results. is visibly waning how no clothes and good luck will cling on to calm my guess is most gun shy this one of the most famous and infamous politicians here in germany conflict so for thirty minutes the dog looks. most. closely. carefully i don t know this suit. 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fully with the special counsel s office, and the other big breaking news this hour is that president trump is announcing that he is not in fact going be meeting with vladimir putin on the sidelines of the g20 sideline and that is hours after the kremlin announcing that the meeting would in fact be happen i ing, and again, we will continue to closely follow the breaking news stories. andrea mitchell is picking up the news coverage right now. and right now now on andrea mitchell reports breaking news on all fronts. michael cohen pleading guilty to lying to congress when he denied to try to do a trump tower deal in russia in the campaign. and more breaking news from air force one just now. en route to ar jgentina, the president canceling the saturday summit with vladimir putin because of the new aggression against ukraine. and first, the president s reak sh reaction today slamming michael cohen before leaving the white house. he was given a fairly long jail sentence, and he is a weak person. and being weak unlike the other people that you watch, and he is a weak person and what he is trying to do is to get a reduced sentence. the leaders of the senate intelligence committee reacting to cohen admitting that he lied to them. this is one more example of the president s closest allies lying a about their ties to russia and russians. i am i have not seen the specific indictment, but this is why people should not lie when they are in front of a congressional investigation. i m and continuing the latest coverage of the legal blow to the president s russian investigation. michael cohen is now cooperating with the special counsel robert mueller and naming the president in court today after pleading guilty to a single count of lying to congress in the fall of 2017,ed a h mitting that he provided false statements to the senate intelligence committee about the president s negotiations to build a trump tower in moscow, and cohen saying that his testimony that talks about that project had ended before the iowa caucuses were not true. and that talks about possible travel to russia on the project including with one of vladimir putin s closest aides continued until june of 2016. today s guilty plea is the first by cohen brought with by robert mueller, and the previous investigations of bank fraud and campaign violations are going to be closely working with the mueller probe. we want to bring you the highlights of the president s comments immediately after the guilty plea as the president was leaving for argentina. he put out a statement talking about a project which is essentially more of less of an option that we were looking at in moscow, and everybody knew about it, and we were writing about it in newspapers and well known project, and it is during the early part of 16 and i guess before that. and it lasted a short period of time, and i did not do the project, and i decided not to do the project. he was convicted of various things unrelated to us. he was give anne fairly long jail sentence, and he is a weak person, and by being weak, unlike other people that you watch, he sis a weak person, an what he is trying to do is to get a reduced sentence and he is lying about a project that everybody knew about it. we were open about it, and we were thinking about it, and in a form of an option or whatever you call it, and decided ultimately not to do it. it would have been nothing wrong if i did do it. i run for president, and that does not mean that i am not allowed to do business, because i was doing a lot of things when i was running. after i won, obviously, i don t do business. from january 20th, and what he is trying to do is to end, and it is very simple, he has himself a big prison sentence, and he is trying to get a reduced sentence by making up a sto story. and now, here s the thing, even if he was right, it does not matter, because i was allowed to do whatever i wanted to do during the campaign. joining me now is nbc justice correspondent pete williams and nbc investigations reporter tom whitaker, and nbc intelligence and national security reporter ken delainian and nbc national sprt pete alex s kocorrespond williams, and kristen welker at the white house, and we will get to the summit and the other news, but first to the legal issues with michael cohen. and pete, extraordinarily consequential day with this plea from michael cohen. yes, and a couple of points before we go into the specifics of it. one, the president is right that he could do whatever he wanted to do as a business matter when he was a candidate and private citizen, and the situation is whether the public statements conform to what he was doing, and secondly he is right that michael cohen will get a reduced sentence, because in court, they say that the maximum penalty of lying to the congress is five years, the government would recommend and not object to zero the six months. so, specifically, what happened here is that michael cohen admitted in court that he lied about three things that he told congress last year about the plans to build a trump tower project in moscow, and projectb that never went anywhere. he said that he lied that the work ended by saying that the work ended in january 2016 well before the iowa caucuses knowing that it went into mid-june. he lied when he said that he never worked on travel to russia to help get the project going when he in fact agreed to go there and whether or not mr. trump should come after he became the nominee at the republican conviction and he lied when he said that he could not recall any contact with the russian officials about the project when he in fact talked to the russian officials about getting help for the land and the financing. now, after he appeared in cohen, you heard the president s statements about it, but today s guilty plea clearly demonstrates that michael cohen continues to cooperate with robert mueller s prosecutors and what it shows is that mueller s prosecutors have now documented a business connection between the trump organization, and russian top officials including the potential meetings of vladimir putin, and now the question is were the same conduits used in any way to facilitate russian meddling in the election. that is a good question, and nothing in today s guilty plea or the court documents saying anything about the second point, but it is simply talking about the potential connections. and the final thing that i will say is that michael cohen said today that he lied to congress both in an august 2017 letter to the congress and then in his testimony in october, quote, to minimize links between the moscow project and individual one which we know is donald trump. and to pick up on that, chuck rosenberg, why is this important? why is what they have put in this criminal information which we have right here so important, the details that they have put in here. it is fascinating and important, but pete is right. keep in mind that prosecutors don t need to charge cohen with every single crime that he completed, because he plead g l guilty to eight in the southern district court and now a ninth, and why not every single crime? because all of the the conduct comes in at sentencing, and why are they doing this and laying out in detail in this criminal information the conductor mis n misconduct? it is because they want him under oath on this topic for subsequent reasons. maybe another trial or defendants like it when they have plead guilty to the operative facts that they are testifying about and that is what is going on here. and be very, very specific about this. they had other indictments again against him and he has plead guilty and a cooperating witness, and what is significant about this is that it is the first time that he is pleading guilty and they have him pleading giuilty to trump organization moscow dealings, and dealings that is right. and dealings specify ied the information and other things written in here and it is sparsely written and they put in that he has testified false ly about not having anyp c any conversations about the trump family and they are setting up a future indictment about someone else, and this is a small universe of people, and trump family members who could have been negotiating on the part of the trump tower. yes, i think that you are right. he would have shared this with the prosecutors and he did not need to plead guilty to this and it would not have affected to the ultimate sentence so what they are doing is to get him under oath on the record to admit his culpability to a certain set of facts of trump family members, and what they will be charged with, we don t know, and as pete williams points out, it does not say here, and this is sparsely wr written but more stuff is coming, and this criminal investigation and this guilty plea signal that fact. i want to go the kristen with welker for a moment at the white house, because what the president said literally as pete pointed out is accurate. there is nothing illegal about the president having these talks even though he misled the american people, and the voteers in that period, but he was very interesting in what he said. and his reaction to not meet with vladimir putin, and they are finally pushing back on ukraine, but they had this information two or three days ago to the washington post that he would have a briefing tonight before yesterday at 6:00 that night about what happened on ukraine. you could argue ma the meeting with vladimir putin after the optics of everything else is bad enough, but after this guilty plea focused on the aides which is peskoff in this information is another reason not to have the summit. andrea, you are right, because there was so much pressure on the president to have a very different summit than the one he had in helsinki when he seem ed to the take putin s word over his community he got back to the u.s. he corrected that. he said that based on the fact that the ships and the sailors have not been returned to ukraine from rush sharsia, it i for all parties to cancel my meeting with russia s president vladimir putin, but andrea, to your point, you cannot ess cape the broader backdrop, and the fact that there are development s in the russian investigation and almost every day of this week, and we are seeing this president increasingly seem embattled and lash out at the special counsel, and lash out at michael cohen and he called him weak in na q&a with the reports on the south lawn before he departed. this is what he tweeted about the special counsel this morning, andrea, calling it an illegal joseph mccarthy-style witch hunt, and he said, did you ever see an investigation in search of a crime. his own attorney rudy giuliani put out a statement of these cohen developments saying that there is a similar development before the president left for helsinki, and what you are witnessing, andrea, is the president and the legal team escalating the attacks against mueller as if they are bracing for more shoes to the drop here, and you have the issue of paul manafort here, and the plea deal with the special counsel collapse amid the charges that he is lying to investigators and denies that the president again telling me on the south lawn when i asked him that a pardon for manafort is not off of the table, andrea. he said that the pardon is not off of the table and he said about michael cohen that he is weak and a liar. weak unlike other people. that was a clear signal of manafort. and now, tom winter is back in at the nbc head kwaquarters at rock. talk about michael cohen in the courtroom and what you witnessed today, because you have been following this so closely. well, andrea, we had a 30-minutes head s up from the court saying a proceeding of interest which is a note that is sent to people who are reporting on the court, and we got usa versus john doe and i got a message i need to get there, and we noticed that people from the special counsel s office and pr prosecutors and the people of the southern district of new york were in attendance and at that point we realized that it is something mueller-related and several minutes before 9:00 a.m., michael cohen came in and wearing the navy suit and a white shirt, and andrea, it is different from the prior cohen proceedings that we have seen. the first with one that we saw when there was a battle over the search warrant, it was kind of a, kind of a rock star atmosphere, and the stormy daniels was there, and excuse me, and there was an inordinate amount of cameras, and of course in the springtime. his second time that we saw him in court, it was the guilty plea that we entered in august that you talked about earlier in the show, and for that proceed iinge seemed to be overwhelmed with the enormity of the proceedings against him and the fact that he was going to be be a convicted felon from that moment there on, and today, much more confident and subdued, and he just clearly stated what he wanted to do, and interestingly, he wanted to stand up for his allocution where he laid out exactly what it is, and what it was that he lied about, but the judge asked him to sit down, because the acoustics were poor and it would be better to sit at the microphone. at that point, one of the prosecutors turn around to smile at michael to say they are at a point where are there is familiarity between the two legal teams. he was steadfast and straight forward and very clear in the information that he was going to be providing today, and i think that at this point, it is interesting to see where this goes, and not only with the robert mueller s investigation, but to see if it is going anywhere in new york. we know from the court filings, andrea, seven proffer-type arrangements or the offerings made at various points over the past several month, and so as we have been reporting here sh, th is not a one and done thing where cohen met with the mueller team or the prosecutors here on new york on one single occasion, and this is ongoing for several months, and to chuck s and pete s point that it indicates a portion of the information that he is providing to them. and now, ken delainian, to add to this, tom, ken delainian, you taken a deep dive into the moscow deal, and this is something disputed in the d dossier, and denials that he had been involved in the talks, but the moscow deal, it wasn t just something that never happened, because it actually is something that we now know is negotiated and when the president said that he never had investments, that is a careful statement, and he said it in january 11th, 2017, and the fact is that he does the licensing deal, and until it becomes a deal, the banks are putting up the money, and it is highly leveraged and he is paid as a licensee millions of dollars from the deals. so talk about what literally was being negotiated with people as high up as dmitri peskov, the right-handed person to vladimir putin. you explained it well, and what the president said contrary to today, this was not known at the time and it was hidden from the american public the fact that the negotiations were ongoing and the fact that while he was campaigning for president, and bizarrely h sh l showering praise on vladimir putin s government, he was secretly talking to them. and so we know that michael cohen was dealing with a guy who is a convicted felon with ties to russian organized crime, and e-mails emerged where sader said that our boy can become the president of the usa, and i can engineer, and i will get all of putin s team to buy in on this and we know that the russian government respond odd to those, and they were in negotiations and going on much longer than cohen and others said. they said it went on from january and to june of 2016 in the heart of the presidential campaign and this is a clear conflict of interest going on, and that is one layer of significance and another layer is not what we are seeing in the court documents and as tom alluded to the serene nature of cohen, and unlike paul manafort, he is going to stay flipped that, and could portend badly for the president of the united states. ken, thank you for the backdrop, and joining us is the man of the hour, senator mark wa warner who is the vice chair of the senate intelligence, and this is a guilty plea that michael cohen lied repeatedly to you and your committee, and what is the significance of that? well, the significance is that this is one more example of a close ally or associate of donald trump being caught lying about their ties and connections with russians and the russians attempts to influence the trump campaign. we have seen this pattern out of cohen, and we have seen is it out of papadopoulos, and at least speculation of what may be coming forward from manafort. i am not surprised and this is what we are seeing out of the affiliates of mr. trump and a fairly wide pattern that comes out of the president s group of lies. and he had tight connections with the right-hand person of vladimir putin for permissions that would be needed to do a trump tower deal in moscow, and what does that tell you? look it, i won t comment about the specific individuals named in the indictment. pursuing the acts are accurate that it shows that ongoing c conversations with highest level of the donald trump organization with russia with his personal lawyer and based on the indictment, it appears that mr. trump was aware of the conversations back and forth. and chuck rosenberg, our colleague here, just before you joined us, senator, was a former top justice department and fbi official, and chuck rosenberg was saying that the significance of this is that they did not need the guilty plea or another guilty plea from michael cohen on this subject, on the russia moscow project and those discussions except to set the pr predicatet for a future action potentially in court, a future indictment or case according to a former prosecutor. i am not a former prosecutor and i would not disagree with your guest, and i would not be surprised if mr. cohen has more stories to tell. this is someone who is intimate with then candidate and business leader trump. whose name has popped nup a variety of places, and again, not knowing what he is has shared with the special prosecutor and he is clearly one of the individuals that our committee has want ted to come back, and will want to come back, and testify. as well after he has been appropriately plead and sentenced by the justice department activities. but i have to believe that he has more to tell. there is another sentence in the criminal investigation that michael cohen discussed the trump tower deal with members of the family, the members of the trump organization, and the members of the family, and that is a small universe, and do you want to call the members of the family back to testify before you and we are talking about now conceivably don jr. well, i would hope that we with would get a little bit more clarity on that as to who that was or which members. but there are a host of the sessions where this constant pattern of folks affiliated with trump dealing with the russians and then lying about it to the fbi or to senate and house committees, and quite candidly a whole slew of efforts that the russians have made in terms of outreach so that the then trump organization. so there is seem ing ing to be pattern here and i m glad that mr. mueller is starting to lay out more of the case and again, it begs the issue that with mueller now moving in to producing more and more products we have to make sure that his prosition is protected and the acting attorney general mr. whitaker who even the president s allies would agree has very few qualifications for the job other than the fact that he is on constant record of being against the mueller investigation, and frankly already has ethical conflicts because of his ties with sam clovis, another individual tied to the escapades and he should recuse himself, and one thing that is disappointing to me is that the justice department s ethics office has not come forward with an opinion as to whether he should recuse himself with any oversight or attempt to interfere with the mueller investigation. i and i waand i want the ask if the president was asked about reviewing the summit with vladimir putin, and he said that he would review it on the plane, and then suddenly after they took off, that he said in this tweet on the ukraine aggression, and that has been going on for days, and he had been briefed on it as we know already monday night, and do you think that summit was also canceled because of the russian investigation and this guilty plea today? well, again, let s look at the facts. you had the russian incursion with the ukrainian ships a number of days ago and you have had emergency meetings at the united nation, and yet this president showed no inclination to step away from the meeting with putin and he said that he might consider it, but now you have one more shoe dropping in terms of his closest personal attorneys lying about ongoing connection s wi connections with the russians during his campaign. i guess they understand why trump would cancel the meeting. i also frankly think that for the sake of dish don t think that many americans would want to see a repeat of the pathetic performance of an american president kowtowing to a russian dictator the way we saw in helsinki, so i am actually glad that the meeting is off. thank you so much, senator. i know that you have a p busy d with this series of events. i have said it before, andrea, you can t make this stuff up and i believe there is more coming from mueller. thank you. and joining us from argentina, and pete alexander, the president is going to be landing tonight and what we now know is that the putin summit is off. this is the first time despite all of the pressure over the last few years a, and the first time that we have seen this president really pushback against vladimir putin on a substantive issue and not in the past on the campaign violations and certainly not in helsinki and a series of aggressions around the world, but suddenly a cancellation as soon as he takes off in air force one. well, at least that is the way the white house is casting it today as well as on twitter. but on the south lawn boarding air force one, he referred to michael cohen as a weak person and he said that his decision to not meet with vladimir putin is a sign of weakness as he likes to cast himself as a strong president, because he now for fits the opportunity to stand side by side with vladimir putin to condemn him to his face before the world community as he would to do when the two men were scheduled to meet. it is schedule d for saturday ad notable within the last half hour or so, and via the reports in the state media that the kremlin through a kremlin spokesperson say ths that they e not are received official word. they said they found out through social media through the president s own tweets, and we know that vladimir putin is now en route to argentina and that is going to be one of the most significant meetings and all eyes were going to be focused on in the visit here. i emphasize that point, because e earlier in the conference after the midterm election, we heard from president trump where he criticized barack obama, his predecessor saying that he was to blame and by showing weakness by allowing the acts of aggression and the annexation of crim crimea, and a lot of the critics are going to be seeing this for fitting of the meeting with vladimir putin and criticize him fothe latest acts of aggression by the russians. pete alexander, such useful information to the con ttext. and also to the viewers, this is the first time that the kremlin has not announced a major change. and remember when lavrov and sergei kissalov was coming in, and they did not make the announcement first and so perhaps this is the first time that putin was caught off guard from this announcement from the president on the air force one. and joining us is mike mcfaul. and the cancellation of this meeting, and despite what the president said it is still up in the air once he was leaving the white house and an hour later he is airborne and we hear that the meeting is canceled, over ukraine, over to russian connection that has now been detailed in federal court. what say you? well, obviously, i don t know. the causal story is clear to be speaking like a social scientist, and the attack on ukraine and make clear what the crisis is about, and he never criticized vladimir putin directly for attacking the ukrainian sailors, and then the news about michael cohen drops and a few minutes later, he decides to cancel the meeting. and i want to say that i used to organize these meetings at the white house, and it is very unusual that it would be canceled over twitter, and let alone unilaterally, and usual are areally the two sides the kremlin and the white house are working together to set the ed a jen da and the time, and if there is a cancellation, as there was one time when i worked for president obama, it is coordinated between the two sides, and this is very different in that regard. well, this is going to be freeing up some big time on the president s schedule on saturday. of course sh, he has that din w president xi which is a big aspect coming up in the argentina g20 summit. and also in argentina for the summit is mohammad bin salman of saudi arabia, and the white house saying no plans for him to meet with mbs and a close ally he has been denying, the, the intelligence that has been reported by all of us, and the high confidence that the saudi leader is involved in that kashoggi murder. and so i want to bring you in valley ri, because you have depth on michael cohen, and it is reported by tom winter that it was a different michael cohen, and this is not like manafort who is going to be flipping back, but he has made his decision and stick wigt, and providing very important information arguably to the prosecutors. sure. this is someone who has spent the last three, four months of his life with one purpose in mind, and that has been to tell the truth. now, there are a couple of reasons why he has been wanting to tell the truth, and of course, he is due to be sentenced in a few weeks because he pleaded guilty in august to the charges in the southern district, but he has also felt a responsibility and felt the weight of what he had done wrong in the past, and what he had done as he has said on behalf of his former boss, the current president. he wanted to come clean, and that is what he has done in the past few months spending dozens of dozens of hours with the attorneys for the southern district, and the attorney general s office and he, according to my reporting has told them everything that he knows and today was the first indication that not only has he come clean, but what he has come clean about is important and will play a role in how this all plays out from the mueller s team. emily jane fox, you nknow ths man and he has said that he would take a bullet for president trump. and michael cohen now is becoming a critical witness, especially with manafort now obvious obviously in the box for having lied to prosecutors and losing his, and losinging the benefits of his co-op rating agreement. sure. i mean, michael cohen told me in an interview that he would take a bullet for the president, and in na r that same interview it was days after he submitted the answers that he entered in the court filing that we are hearing a about today that were untrue to the senate, and he also said that he had reached out to a kremlin spokesperson just by googling kremlin on google and he had not heart a response. so at that point, he was so incredibly loyal to the president as we have hard in court today, and part of the reason that he lied to congress last year as we heard today is because of the loyalty to the president, and he wanted to be on the same page as what the president has been telling the public for quite some time. there is a list of reasons why that, that michael cohen no longer exists today. he understands the gravity of what he faces in terms of how much prison time he could serve, and he is feeling the weight of what it could do to his family, and he has watched the president publicly turn on him. today, the president as he boarded marine i that michael cohen is a liar and trying to reduce the sentencing, but he has been public at a tacking michael cohen since april since his home, office and hotel room were raided by the fbi. and so michael cohen feel nos allegiance to president trump anymore, and no reason to protect him, and in fact, he feels every reason to come clean about what he knows. and of course, chuck rosenberg, plenty precedent to argue against any indictment against the president road, but if fact that the family is mentioned and that he is clearly testifying about the kcon versations with the family is significant as well, and he does make it clear in this legal document that individual one is president trump. and in fact, i was reading the transcript of the proceeding today and michael cohen says specifically individual one is the president. now that is not the way that this prosecutors write it, because they want to be more subtle, but there is some debate whether a sitting president can be indicted and i have read opinion os on both sides. and it would have to be litigated up to the supreme court and it is balanced on the favor of the president. it would have to be litigate and i am not sure where it would come out, but the put it aside, because to your other point, members of the president s family are implicated implicitly by this plea agreement. it is a fascinating document, because it is going to tell you that more is coming. and katy tur, joining us now, of course, the anchor of the 2:00 on msnbc and principally in this context, every step of the way in that campaign for two years you tracked donald trump, and you know everything that he said, and some of the answers in fact, and the answer, russia, if you are listening, was in response to your question in the campaign. yes, what we are seeing from the court filing and what we have been seeing from the ongoing saga of the mueller investigation and the sdny investigation is that it is painting a picture of a group of people around donald trump who thought for so long that there were no consequences, and they could do whatever they want and they would ultimately be bu bulletproof, because they didn t think that he would win the election or b, when he did win, he was the man in charge and they could not do anything about it. in looking at what happened today, you have to consider the motivati motivations, the actions, what donald trump knew and how much can conceivably be coincidence here. i know that chuck rosenberg says all of the time that the federal prosecutors don t believe in coincidence, and what we know from robert mueller s team is that they are putting together a detailed time line. and i have talked to the witnesses who have sat for in r interviews with mueller s team, and they have said that they know specifically where they were sitting in a room when they are asking them questions about a certain topic or conversation, and we know that the time line is detailed, and what we got today out of the filing is a little bit more information about the time line, and again m this court filing which seems to focus on june 2016, and that is coming up over and over and over again in these court documents. we know that michael cohen was talking about trump tower moscow as late as june 2016, andrea. and what else was happening in june 2016? well, on june 9th, donald trump jr. had a meeting with the russian lawyer who was offering dirt on hillary clinton. as he was making arrangements for that meeting, donald trump sr. tweets out that he is going to have a big speech about hillary clinton and all of her wrongdoings on june 13th, and that speech never came to fruition because potentially don jr. didn t get the dirt that he was looking for from the russian lawyer and they said they didn t get anything from the dirt. on june 12th, is sorry, on june 12th, julian assange say ths th he has more e-mails damaging to hillary clinton coming out, and fast forward a month later, and you donald trump on june 27th alluding to it, russia , if you are listen, and also in the press conference, andrea, he says that i have no dealings with russia, none whatsoever, and we know that is not true, because as of a month earlier, michael cohen was trying to set up a trump tower moscow, and with the help of an intermediary and according to the court filings a senior person within the russian government, and when you take a step back and look at all of, this and add in roger stone, and jerome corsi talking about the e-mails and if there is a back channel, but stepping back to look at this, you have to consider the motivations here, if russia wanted donald trump elected president for whatever reason, why would donald trump want to allow them to help him get elected president? it is unclear but maybe one of the motivations, did he want a trump tower moscow, and more business in moscow? further trump business, because he had been trying to do this so long for as far back of 2013 when he went to moscow for miss universe and hoped to get a meeting with donald trump to build his own tower here, and when you put it together, is it conceivable that donald trump didn t know about these things? is it conceivable that donald trump would want to accept the help of the russian government when they were offering him dirt on hillary clinton? prosecutors and investigators are going to figure that out, but the questions remain and there are more and more coincidences that point to that. well, katy tur, you are putting it all in the context of of course, the trump tower meeting, the president s denial in the written a answernswers, have been reporting in advance of the trump tower meeting and the mysterious ophone call. that blocked number. yeah. so there is that going to be coming up again in the house intelligence committee, and i was talking to a congressman eric swalwell about that, and he said they won t reopen the entire investigation, but they will focus on important unanswered questions and one of those was to p ten shally subpoena the phone records from the phone company to find out if that blocked number that donald trump jr. called was his father. we know that donald trump trump senior had a blocked number at the residence and in his office at trump tower and was it a a phone call to his dad, and if so, what was said in the phone call. there is a lot. and there is a lot here, andrea, and lot that we still don t know the definitive answer to, but again, there is a lot of coincidence, and when you are putting it altogether, it is not looking so great for donald trump or his family. we do know that it was said by senator burr that investigators knew that he lied because they were cooperating with the senate intelligence committee and who else was in that committee? who else gave them testimony? who else could have been incorrect in the testimony? who else is robert mueller looking at a? there are a number of names throughout that we have all been talking about and roger stone is one of them and don junior is another that have been coming up in court filings yet, but could they come up sooner and when you hear a denial from donald trump or michael cohen, it is clearer and clearer that you can t take the denials at face values, because we are seeing over and over again that they turn out to not be true. katy tur with the contex tantd time line context and all of this. and now join g ing us is our pa who are msnbc contributors as chuck rosenberg who is also still here. and joyce vance, to you first. we have been talking about the indictment that this is a indictment that they didn t nee need, but it is the first one that they have with the guilty plea setting out a connection to trump tower moscow, and during the campaign and mentioning specifically the president as individual number one and his family according to this criminal information. i think that is right. it is very significant for exactly that reason, andrea. some of the language that jumps out at me is michael cohen, and this is the government alleging the conduct that cohen lied about the matters to krcreate distance between moscow project and person number one who we now know is the president. what that means is that if michael cohen lied, then the president lied. i have listened to chuck rosenberg who is always the yoda in these matters and it is important to bring him in and get him locked down. so cohen has now raised the hand and said it is so under oath, and he has talked about the president s family here. we have talk about don jr., and there is some old reporting from 2017 that talks about michael cohen and felix sader, and sader mentioning taking ivanka to russia and have her sit in huetin s chair, so hu hue putin s chair, and so what we don t know is that it is going to his family and certainly much more quickly and closer than he wants it to be. and talk to us about this, the implications of all of this. extraordinary timing the michael cohen guilty plea, and setting out these facts under oath, and the president on the plane going to the world summit, and you want to go to the summit with strength, and political strength and certainly not this legal cloud hanging over your head, and now the consolation of the putin summit, discuss. it is remarkable. it is perhaps unprecedented. we have had presidents go to summits before with some kinds of legal clouds hanging over their heads, but never anything this ominous, and this closely connected to the players in the summit. so, the notion that this, this guilty plea involves the trump organization, and michael cohen and russia, that the president felt the need for whatever reason to cancel his scheduled meeting with president putin is really a remarkable thing, but there is another remarkable thing that is lurk ing ing in t background here is that it is not just that the congress was lied to by michael cohen, but i think that fundamentally that we have to keep reminding ourselves that the american people if not lied to, they were deeply misled by the trump campaign, and during the campaign about the nature of the president s and the trump organization s investments and business interests with russia. if we knew then during the campaign what we know now about the ongoing effort to have investments in russia, it would have looked at lot different back then. and let s bring back michael mcfaul, and i want to ask you about dmitri peskov, because this criminal complaint and indictment and guilty plea sets out that michael cohen had conversati conversations with peskov in the campaign about that trump tower investment. yeah, well. that is extraordinary. as you said, he is one of the closest ties to vladimir putin, and his title does not suggest how close he is, and that indictment suggested that he knew something about laying out this. and so there is a silver lining for the president, and it is a rational explanation and why he was so pro putin during the 2016 presidential election, and then he has doubled down and tripled down, and at least an explanation independent from some of the other hypotheses that we have been talking about. but it does not exclude them. and i was just going to say that, but it does not exclude the other one, but, for, you know and chuck rosenberg, while we are straightening out michael mcfaul s conneck is shun, and i interrupted him just as he was going to say more, if you could include. if i may shift the conversation more, andrea. sure. if you have been reading and studying as lawyers do, you are my counsel here. and it is interesting that i noted in the transcript of the hearing today. mr. cohen identifies individual one as the president and it is not something in the public documents, but it is something that he said or rally at the hearing today, and why this is so important to joyce s point that you want to lock down witnesses, and you can do it in the grand jury, because you can testify under oath, but also in open court. when they plead guilty, because they are also under oath. and the value to the prosecutors of having the statements under oath is twofold. one, if they back off of it in some way at some later date, you can hold that transcript in front of them and hold their feet it to or second, when you are testifying other people, the fact that mr. cohen edadmitted s own culpability on this set of facts is important to a jury at trial. and so, while this doesn t answer all of our questions, and only points in some directions and e lilliptically mention s t family, it is another chapter of the investigation, and that is important to bring us into the negotiations over whether or not the trump organization would build a tower in moscow, and that is fascinating. and emily jane fox, michael cohen, he is such character here, and can he be damaged orrism peached damag impeached what he says that he is weak, and we believe that is a reference to paul manafort. well, i wanted to pick up on something that chuck said that he volunteered to do theday to bring up the president s name in court today under oath, and that is what he did in august and nobody was forcing him to get up to say that it is the president who directed him to make payments to women who had alleged affairs to him leading up to the election. good point. and this is something that he has now done twice under oath in the courtroom as he was pleading guilty to serious federal crimes. so i think that we saw this week what mueller and the special counsel s office has to say about people that they believe are lying to the investigators, and this is not what we saw in court today. i was in court that day, with the demeanor of michael cohen and the attorneys and the attorneys of the department of justice was friendly and shaking hands after all of this was going on and exchanging looks and smiles, and it does not appear that they believe that cohen is lying to them. and it is a very different relationship between manafort and his attorneys and michael cohen and his attorneys and prosecut prosecutors. and joyce, there is no statement here that the president told michael cohen to lie, is there? what inference if any can with draw from the guilty plea, because he has said that he lied about whether or not there were conversations. is there any inference that we can draw about who told him to or what motivated him to lie? i think that emily jane makes a really great point here when she says it is obvious to her from the demeanor that the prosecutors believe michael cohen, and here s the situation, michael cohen is now charged and has plead d ged guilty to lying how do prosecutors turn around then and ask a jury the believe what he has to say in a future hearing, and the prosecutors have raided or as prosecutors say executed a search warrant for cohen s home and businesses and took boxes full of documents and recordings, and all sorts of evidence, and they have spent the months since then combing through the evidence so that nobody going to be asked to rely on michael cohen s word, but it is this documentary evidence and we don t know what is in the documents regarding the president. we don t know if there is more tape recording of conversations between cohen and the president. we know that the president doesn t use e-mail. but there may be even some form of written acknowledgment so that when cohen is making statements about his conduct with the president, prosecutors will prove it not just through cohen but through evidence that confirms what he is saying. ruth marcus, your take on that? well, i i wanted to pick up on something else mentioned earlier which is this extraordinary statement to the new york post that manafort pardon is on the table. the president also repeated that on the south lawn today. i ve really liked their take on this. that to me is extraordinary to signal to a potentially serious, potentially fatal witness against you. maybe not fatal but serious witness against you. that he could be in line for a pardon that to me is close to obstruction in plain sight. let me also say the president today again said that michael cohen is weak and a liar, unlike other people. clearly he means somebody else. we can infer manafort. somebody else, to ruth s point, is probably manafort. on one hand, the president has unfettered power under the constitution to pardon whoever he wants for any federal crime. on the other hand, it s actually not completely unfeathered. here s why, if he s doing it for a corrupt purpose, then it could be obstruction of justice. just as he could name ruth the u.s. ambassador to italy. i would enjoy that, ruth. i would enjoy that. but he couldn t do it in return for a $5 million cash under the table payment. so these unfettered powers we always talk about are still circumscribed by the criminal law. whether or not he intends to obstruct justice would be the inquiry. it s not circumscribed by the articles of impeachment in the nixon case which raised the issue of dangling pardons. so what do you make of this? it seems like more than a signal to me, but we don t precisely know that yet. my guess is we re going to learn soon in the next several months that there have been talks because if there were talks between mr. manafort s lawyer and the trump white house and the trump lawyers, those conversations are arguably not privileged. i think mueller can get them. our colleague is also a lawyer. joyce, you are a former prosecutor as is chuck. let s talk about the manafort attorneys and the fact they had these conversations with giuliani and other members of the team after the decision by manafort to turn state s evidence. so i agree with chuck here. the reason they were able to have conversations before manafort began cooperating with the government and cloak those conversations in the attorney/client privilege is because they had a commonality interest. once manafort decides to cooperate, that commonalty disappears. mummer could, if he wanted to, try to pierce those conversations and learn more about what was happening. if, in fact, there were offers back and forth, conversations about pardons being available, then we are close to witness tampering. it s really hard for me as a prosecutor or former prosecutor to say we re there because i think we need to know the full course of conversations and what went back and forth. but this certainly gets everyone s attorney. let me just take a deep breath or ask everyone to take a deep breath and just say i ve been thinking about these joint agreements and, joyce, how unusual is it for a president of the united states to have this joint defense agreement? this is the kind of thing we hear in mafia cases and other yp organized crime cases. but for the president of the united states to have a joint defense agreement with so many people? speak to that. i think it is a moment where we have to sit back a moment. we ve gone so accustomed talking about the president being under criminal investigation. being a part of a joint defense agreement. we have to be careful we don t normalize this. it s not normal. it shouldn t be normal. there s no other product i think who could have survived politically to this point. there s just something unusual that goes on here where trump gets a pass certainly from his own party. one hopes there will be accountability at the end of the mueller investigation. hopefully up on capitol hill after january 3rd. what s so important in the meantime is american citizens continue to register outrage and shock over how not just unusual but how singular, how completely unprecedented it is for the president of the united states to have been involved or at least under investigation for interference by a hostile foreign power with our electi elections. we were discussing earlier the president and the summit with putin. he has not taken putin to take over the aggression, a lot of other issues including things happening in syria, to say nothing of the election interference. now we have the statement from the pool on air force one that sarah sanders came back after the president s tweet canceling the summit and the kremlin saying they knew nothing about it. that prior to the election sorry, i picked up the wrong comment, but that sanders told the traveling pool that that tweet was centsent after conversations with bolton, pompeii yes and kelly on air force one. so he was talking to his security team. i guess this is to say this is nothing to do with michael cohen, i m cancelling it because of ukraine. one quick point to the previous conversation, i do think i may be wrong but i m fairly confident that the clinton white house and president clinton himself, his leg team had some joint defense agreements during the unfortunate events, that the clinton administration, even before the impeachment. just to put it out there there are certainly unique things but certainly not the first president who s had a joint defense agreement. i don t believe nixon did, by the way. as for the cancellation of the summit, i think the facts speak for themselves as you laid them out. this president has not been willing previously in multiple areas to stand up to president putin. he was not willing as he was leaving to stand up to president putin. he sort of left the door a little ajar in his washington post interview. now after this, the lawyers have a phrase, the thing speaks for itself. so i will just let his tweet speak for itself. i m lost when people start speaking latin. but i do want to say you know that s not true. it s largely true. i don t think i ve ever done it on television before. in high school and still can t remember i think he s right, that mr. clinton was part of a joint defense farious in and of itself. we shouldn t normalize it. joint defense agreements happen. innocent people, guilty people sometimes. that s a thing that exists all the time and is okay. to your point, to joyce s point this is not normal. it s not because there s a joint defense agreement. put that aside for a moment. it s because of the underlying conduct. joyce, when we just to tie a bow all around this. what we re talking about here is a major guilty plea by a witness saying he lied to the senate under oath. he is the former personal lawyer who said he would take a bullet for his client donald trump. not only implicating the president by name in a federal court in manhattan but also in this criminal pleading, also members of the trump family, for behavior that arguably may not be ill legal according to the president s but certainly was not known to us during the campaign. prosecutors don t usually take a step like this unless they mean to go a step further. by pulling this investigation now in a world where this is actually connectivity between the campaign and trump, interaction during the campaign, maybe after the election, between the president and russia over his business interests, we have a look into where mueller is growing next. it s not a great place to be going as a country but we ve got to get to the bottom of this. we should point out, only yesterday, yesterday morning, just about 20 hours earlier, the president was retweeting in social media an image of the deputy attorney general, two former presidents and others on his enemy s list behind bars and calling all of this a witch
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american woman murdered on vacation. her emotional father right here tonight. and now, new images of the suspect in custody. there is news tonight in the russia investigation. what we ve learned about michael flynn, sitting down 19 times with robert mueller s team and other investigators. and the major medical breakthrough tonight. the ten-minute cancer test. no invasive surgery, no biopsy? how does it work? and good evening tonight from washington. and we are in the nation s capital this evening after a truly moving day honoring the nation s 41st president. his son, president george w. bush, breaking down, overcome with emotion as he remembered his father, george herbert walker bush. at washington s national cathedral, all of the living presidents and first ladies gathered to pay tribute and to listen to a son remember his father, the 43rd president honoring the 41st. he shared his last conversation with his father the day he died. and the nation watched as george w. bush was overcome. his heartfelt words for his father. and moments ago, the plane landing in houston, carrying former president bush home. tonight, what brought a son to tears, and that rare sight when so many presidents and first ladies come together. take a look. just before 10:30 this morning, the casket carrying america s 41st president, george herbert walker bush, brought down the steps of the u.s. capitol after lying in state. a 21-gun salute. the bush family, their hands to their hearts, including the nation s 43rd president, george w. bush. first lady laura bush by his side. at the washington national cathedral, all of the living u.s. presidents and first ladies were gathering, for one of those rare moments when they all come together, a nation watching. former first lady michelle obama hugging fellow first lady hillary clinton. leaders and dignitaries there, too. prince charles with general colin powell. the queen sent him, remembering her trip to texas all those years ago. president bush s motorcade making its way to the cathedral. passing in front of the white house. the route lined with well-wishers, some in tears, others holding their hearts. back inside the cathedral, president trump and the first lady melania trump arrived. the president shaking hands with former president obama and michelle obama s hand, too, as she says good morning. bill clinton with a glance. but there was no interaction between the trumps and the clintons. hillary clinton looking forward the entire time. and then the bushes arrive. first lady laura bush taking president george w. bush s arm. president bush greeting the former presidents and first ladies, shaking each one of their hands, beginning with the trumps. handing something to michelle obama. after he gave a cough drop to her at senator john mccain s funeral, it appeared today he had done it again. then, greeting the clintons. bill clinton so close to his father. and thanking the carters for being there, too. shortly after, the casket is carried in. there was silence in the cathedral as it passes by the bush family, set down by eight military pallbearers. family and friends spoke. and then, a son stood before that cathedral and the country to honor his dad. george w. bush walking to the podium. tapping his father s casket on the way. speaking of his father s humility. like many of his generation, he never talked about his service until his time as a public figure forced his hand. the shootdown. we learned of the death of his crewmates, whom he thought about throughout his entire life. and we learned of the rescue. reporter: speaking of his father s kindness and the love he so often shared. many a person would tell you that dad became a mentor and a father figure in their life. he listened and he consoled. he was their friend. and perhaps the unlikeliest of all, the man who defeated him, bill clinton. my siblings and i refer to the guys in this group as brothers from other mothers. reporter: talking about his father s boundless energy, speeding in his boat, the secret service trying to keep up. he was born with just two settings full throttle, then sleep. reporter: he spoke of his father s character. we tested his patience, i know i did. but he always responded with the great gift of unconditional love. reporter: and then he shared his final conversation with his father. last friday, when i was told he had minutes to live, i called him. the guy answered the phone, said, i think he can hear you but he hasn t said anything for most of the day. i said, dad, i love you and you ve been a wonderful father. and the last words he would ever say on earth were, i love you, too. reporter: he said his father was imperfect, offering a tender list. in later years, watching police shows with the volume all the way up. barbara at his side. in his old age, dad enjoyed watching police show reruns with all thwhe, holding mom s hand. after mom died, dad was strong, but all he really wanted to do was hold mom s hand again. reporter: his father had said in his final days he hoped he would be reunited in heaven with his darling bar and their daughter, robin, who they lost to leukemia at 3 years old. and this is how his son finished. a great and noble man, the best father a son or daughter could have. and in our grief, let us smile knowing that dad is hugging robin and holding mom s hand again. reporter: tapping his father s casket once more. wiping his eyes. his brother jeb reaches for his hand. a kiss for laura bush. a son honoring his father. it was incredibly moving today. the bush family leaving the national cathedral just as they arrived, all together. george and laura bush leading the way as they return to texas to bury their father and grandfather next to barbara bush and the daughter they lost at 3, robin. as you saw there, one of the most remarkable images of this day, all of the living american presidents together, even in a divided time. so, i want to bring in abc s chief white house correspondent jonathan karl tonight, because jon, it seems it might have been one last call to service for the late president, george h.w. bush himself orchestrating this rare momentle of unity. reporter: in fact, david, the bush family reached out to the trump white house months ago. they had a clear message. the message was that president bush wanted president trump and the first lady to be part of his memorial. and if you looked out at that crowd today, you also noticed that the bush family also invited many of the president s top advisers, top white house officials were also there. and for his part, president trump honored every request that the bush family made in planning this week s events, and perhaps most importantly, he remained quiet, uncharacteristically so, leaving the spotlight for this week entirely on the memory of the 41st president. important unity for the country. jon karl, thanks so much for your reporting all day. and our coverage of the celebration of george h.w. bush continues tomorrow. the final service at st. martin s episcopal church in houston. that s at 11:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow morning, right here. in the meantime, we do move onto the other news this wednesday night. and there is a breaking headline tonight. a military accident involving a marine fa-18 and a kc-130, plunging into the sea off the coast of japan. several american service members onboard, and there is a search and rescue mission under way at this hour. here s abc s chief global affairs correspondent martha raddatz tonight. reporter: the midair mishap was in the middle of the night, in cloudy skies, 200 miles off the ast of japan. both aircraft ended up in the water, indicating a midair collision. details are still unclear, but the f-18, like this one, may have been attempting to refuel off of the kc-130. two were aboard the fighter jet, which does have ejection seats, and five aboard the refueler. it was the japanese defense forces that found the one marine alive, but the search continues. and martha raddatz back with us tonight. of course, martha, the focus is on the marines and the search that s under way at this hour. but you ve learned that the investigation into the cause is already under way tonight? reporter: absolutely, david. they ll look at whether weather was a factor, whether fatigue was a factor. but this is really a grim reminder of how even these training missions for the military can be so dangerous. all right, martha raddatz, we re thinking of all those families tonight. thank you. we re going to turn next in the meantime tonight to the scare inside the amazon warehouse in new jersey, at the height of the holiday shipping season. more than 50 workers were suddenly sickened. at least one of them critically. abc s david wright on what was behind this. reporter: an industrial accident in the frantic runup to christmas, at this amazon fulfillment center in new jersey. 50 new canton way at the amazon for strange odor and sick person. reporter: an automated machine, like this one, used by amazon to move merchandise, accidentally punctured a can of bear repellant. it s going to be multiple victims vomiting and feeling ill following a strange odor throughout the warehouse. reporter: the toxic bear spray got into the building s air vents. more than 50 workers complained about trouble breathing and a burning sensation in their eyes and throats. one is in critical condition. at least ten others still hospitalized. why are we still working? i get it, it s peak season, but you got to make sure make it make sense. our safety comes first. reporter: the retail, wholesale and department store union, long-time critics of the online giant, said, amazon s automated robots put humans in life-threatening daner danger today. but amazon insisted, the safety of our employees is our top priority. now, this fulfillment center has now been given the all clear, it is back up and running. and this is its busiest time of year. as for that pepper spray, it is sold over the counter, but subject to shipping regulations, says so right on the amazon page. the big question, why was it around those automated machines? david? all right, david wright live in new jersey tonight. david, thank you. next this evening, to major storm on the move at this hour, from the west all the way to the east. this icy spinout on i-380 in cedar rapids, iowa. that car then hit by another vehicle. we are told everyone is okay. two people were rescued from this car in boone, north carolina. and heavy snow, this is i-90 right here, near erie, pennsylvania. a vehicle towing a trailer then spinning around, right there on the highway. let s get right to meteorologist rob marciano, tracking it all tonight. rob? reporter: david, this air mass in the east is a good 10 to 20 degrees below average, and it s driven deep into the south. when that california storm meets it, we re going to have a bit of a mess on our hands. california storm lingers for another day tomorrow, but gets into texas on saturday. heavy rain for houston. winter storm watches posted for the panhandle. across oklahoma, a good swath and ice from amarillo, through arkansas, across the ohio valley and into the mid-atlantic, where they re already seeing some snow tonight. david? rob marciano with us again tonight. thank you, rob. and next this evening, from costa rica, a heartbreaking confirmation for the family of that american woman who disappeared on the last day of her vacation. her father now identifying the body found near the airbnb where his daughter was staying for her birthday. and tonight, investigators say it appears that she did die after a violent struggle. here s abc s eva pilgrim. we re incomplete. reporter: tonight, the father of carla stefaniak is struggling to make sense of the brutal murder of his beloved daughter. it s too much for us. that s too much for us. reporter: authorities revealing new details about the murder of the 36-year-old who came to costa rica on vacation. second day. the hot springs. reporter: they think stefaniak fought for her life. she was stabbed, her neck broken inside this airbnb. police arresting 32-year-old bismark martinez, a security guard. investigators suspect the crime was sexually motivated. how they welcome me for my birthday! reporter: after her sister-in-law left, stefaniak stayed an extra day on her own, checking into this airbnb. this picture of the room, the last she would send her family. texting, it s raining hard and the power went out. super sketchy. david, the lawyer for that airbnb says the complex is closed and the owners are cooperating with the investigation. david? eva pilgrim tonight. thank you, eva. there is news from the russia investigation this evening. robert mueller is recommending former trump national security adviser michael flynn be given no prison time. but the documents filed by mueller now reveal new clues tonight, including the 19 meetings flynn had with mueller s team and with other investigators. here s abc s chief justice correspondent pierre thomas now. reporter: the only white house official to cut a deal with robert mueller, michael flynn, is now billed as a key cooperating witness. newly-released court documents reveal he sat down with investigators 19 times, providing, quote, substantial assistance after pleading guilty to lying about his contacts with russia during the transition. a dramatic turnaround for one of president trump s earliest and most vocal advisers. michael flynn! reporter: the man who repeatedly called for hillary clinton to be jailed. yeah, that s right. lock her up. reporter: mueller s recommending flynn face no prison time himself, after providing first-hand information about the content and context of interactions between the transition team and russian government officials. the special counsel says flynn is helping with as many as two other investigations. no details, though. much of last night s court filing is redacted blacked out. and david, more expected this week from mueller. he s expected to give details on the lies and crimes he s accusing paul manafort of committing, while agreeing to cooperate. and we ll hear what he has to say about how helpful former trump confidant and attorney michael cohen has been since agreeing to plead guilty and help investigators. david? perhaps a lot more revealed later in the game. pierre thomas following it all. pierre, thank you. next here this evening, a possible major medical breakthrough. researchers saying they ve developed a ten-minute cancer test to detect the illness anywhere in the body. here s abc s steve osunsami. reporter: if australian researchers can get this perfected, a simple blood test can help doctors find a variety of cancers that you now need to see to diagnose, including breast, lung, ovarian and colon cancers. the key is dna. the scientists found a unique dna pattern common to all cancers that s released into the blood. and they ve discovered that it reacts to, of all things, gold. it s similar to a pool test, for those of you have a pool, i do this all the time. you take the sample, you do a bit of thislor chge reporter: the test takes ten minutes and is relatively inexpensive. take a look. the vial on the left is a sample that tested positive for cancer. it s still early, currently, this liquid biopsy gives the wrong results 10% of the time. but that 90% gives doctors hope. it can be done in the doctor s office, conceivably. i think there s great promise with the test, but it s not ready for primetime today. reporter: there have been tests like this before in development that have failed, but there s a belief this one could revolutionize early detection. david? we ll stay on this. yeah, we ll stay on this. steve, thank you. there is also news about another medical first tonight. doctors in brazil say for the first time, a baby has been born following a uterus transplant from a deceased donor. it s been done 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can wrap your arms around it. that unknown contributes to that apprehension. lot of people aren t really familiar with san bruno if they are another town but your mall here is set up right next to the bart station. and that is why it may have been easy for someone to get on board bart. yeah and it is not uncommon. our police station is located close to the station as well. and when we thefts or other crimes at the mall it is not uncommon for these people the go to bart. so we know that is an avenue for them. it is not uncommon for those types of things to happen with your more day to day type of criminal activity. can we talk with the fire chief. would you tell us about the victims and what they are doing and how? responded at the request of p.d. for a shooter. updated information included multiple victims. ultimately additional resources were asked. we had a second alarm and declared a mci, a mass casualty incident. a total of four ambulances were dispatched as well. initial crews as they are trained to do put their protective equipment on and formed what we call rescue task force and those pair one police escorts and the police escorts lead them in so we can treat and remove patients. as the chief said we treated and removed two gunshot victims. they were taken to san francisco general which is a trauma center by american medical response ambulances. two additional patients were treated. i don t know the extent of their injuries or how they were injured. somehow it was related to the incident. but they were treated and released. they signed refusal of services. all i know on the victims is they were lowrie extremity gunshot wounds and stable condition as they were transplanted to san francisco. not life threatening. at this point when they were transported from here, no. but sf general would have the latest information on those patients. when were they transplanted? i don t have the time. it was fairly quickly. we don t stage anymore. once p.d. gives us officers to escort the paramedics in. they go in and pull them out and they were very quickly put in ambulances and transplanted. we ll have all those details later. i don t have those at this point. you don t have the exact age but did they appear to be younger victims? i ll go with what the chief said. i don t have any information on any additional information on the victims or age or any other. if they were related? knew each other. i wouldn t know that. the transplant ambulance would know that but obviously they are not here anymore. anyone else treated for anything here on scene? people were tweeted from inside the mall that they were hiding, scared for their lives. you mentioned it is possible those two other victims may have been trampled in getting out of the mall. do you know in anybody else was treated on scene. right now just two additional ones that were evaluated and they signed a release. we still have resources on scene as police officers check the building. we ll be on scene here to treat anybody. but no additional people were treat order located. when they signed the releases they didn t need to be transplanted do you have any sense of what their injuries were? i don t at this point. sorry to say. can you describe what it looked like when you a i arrived on the scene? were people running from the mall at that point. there were people exiting the mall. i was here very quickly. i was in the area. and there were people outside of the mall. normally a very large police presence and like i said we ve done recent training here in san bruno and our officers, firefighters work closely with the police officers. and their immediate concern was lets get the rescue group task force together and get the victims out. very happy with. as the chief said we re a small department. we have to rely on the other departments and neighbors and they all participated in this response. what is that recent active training. we did some violent and shooter training here in san bernardino. three days here just a couple of weeks ago with a grant the police department received. that training is very valuable. we can t to do that in this county to prepare. feel like it made a difference today. definitely makes a difference. yes. thank you very much. i think i gave you the wrong time of the initial. i think said 2:56. the actual first call t initial call we received was 3:56 this afternoon. off by an hour. i don t want to mess that up for are. reporter: i got to step over to the side. some reporters just getting here. sorry if you just got a very close face shot. we re going to move aside a little bit because some reporters are just getting here on seen and just getting the information for the fist time. but if you are just joining us, let s walk you through some of what we just found out here live in san bruno. so we interviewed the police chief who described that there are two victims here. i m hoping you can hear me guys. two victims. they believe that there are two suspects possibly that are at large. and said they ha some evidence that they had found here at the scene that suggested there was perhaps more than one shooting suspect. they do not believe that this was an active shooter situation in the sense that this was not somebody that was in the mall that was openly shooting at random people but rather this may have been some sort of targeted crime. two victims. not many details here about the victims but we do have some details from the san francisco general public information officer who told us earlier as we ve been talking with him. that s brent andrew. that those victims are 15 years old and 18 years old. and also that he had reason to believe that there were a couple of victims who were transplanted however here the chief of police in san bruno says as does the fire chief that there were two other individuals who were treated but refused going onto the hospital they may have been injuries perhaps related to being stepped on or pushed as people were getting out of mall. but it was unclear what the injuries may have been. not sure if you hear me anymore. sounds like we may have lost our connection. we re going send it back to you. live in tanforan mall. we co-hear you. melanie woodrow live from the season. taking another live look at the shops at tanforan. the tanforan mall in san bruno which has been evacuated after this shooting. the first call came at 3:56. we know of at least two people confirmed shot. 15 and 18 years of age. one in serious condition. one in critical condition. and two people, two separate shooters are being sought. they have not arrested anyone yet. and they say one of the young males that they are seeking is wearing a green sweatshirt with a hoodie. and that is what we have right now. we know they shut down the oakland 12th street station bart for a while, possibly seeking any suspects who might have made their way there. but they have not found anything and have reopened that particular station. right. so let s go back now live. abc7 news reporter lisa amin gulezian is at the mall, south side i believe. what are you hearing. reporter: we re just outside of b.j.s and barnes & nobles. the south soiftd the mall also where a lot of the police presence is. officers from south san francisco frameworks the highway patrol, men lowe park, the county sheriffs department. a lot of police officers are still here and there is still an active scene in the sense a lot of people and officers are here. lot of people are still stuck here waiting for rides to get them. joining me is paula silva, she was inside when this happened. you were working. tell me what happened when you were working. well i just saw a lot of people running from the food court, most likely. it looked like it was from that area into, towards the outside of the mall. barnes & noble side. reporter: when people ran towards your store what did they do? a lot of them ran to the back swresmt a back exit. i told them to go in through there. and we started locking the doors. thank filet coworkers parents was there and helped me lock the doors. and there was not more people inside just the workers and probably like five or six more, you know, people that ran into the store and stayed in in in the back in the stock room with us. so you were literally hiding in the dark in the stock room. yes. we were hiding in the dark. we turned off the light as soon as we locked the doors and told everyone to just stay in there. reporter: you had to have been scared. it was pretty scary. a lot of my coworkers and also seeing lot of other people pretty scary. called down a little bit. and it was definitely a scary experience. reporter: i don t know if you can hear us right now. this siren just started going off behind us. paula works inside of barnes & nobles inside the mall and ushered a lot of people to safety and they all hid inside of her store. they we they were hiding inside the store in barnes & noble in the dark. tell us about the people running towards. well at first. gives you sense what s happening out there right now. obviously police vehicles are still with their sirens coming. still a lot of heavily armed officers. i know you can t hear the interview very well but gives a sense how the threat is still very real in the area around tanforan mall right now. let s go down to abc7 news reporter live in oakland with a little more on what s been happening there. the 12th street bart station close. uncer go ahead. reporter: good evening. so oakland 12th street bart station just reopened. joining me with the oakland police department. what do we know at this time? what we can share is that we received information through the bart police department about a possible suspect on the bart train either at 12th street and broadway or 14th street and broadway. and this would be in connection with the san bruno shooting the active shooting that happened the tanforan shopping center. we know that is still a very active scene to the oakland police department supported along with the bart police department and oakland fire department all responded to these two location. we did stop train service. we vacuated the train. we have information on what is suspect looks like. so we knew who we were looking for. bart police indicated they did find a weapon and right now our commanders are in communication with them. our investigation and support for san bruno and bart will continue. reporter: so let s back up. what is the description of the suspect? who are we looking for. we can t share that with you right now but really our focus was on public safety. it was absolutely key that we evacuated the trains and ensured that our community, our riders, were safe. so we responded. we had a city response that came here. assisted bart. we stopped the trains and then we systematically evacuated those trains. it is extremely important in situations like this that we systematically very very careful. very cautious. we want to insure that the public safety comes first and we did so. right now the stations 12th street bart and 14th street bart are open. so those who were certainly inconvenienced we want to welcome you back is. the stations are open so you can travel home. you said you found a weapon. was it found on the train? or at the station. > bart police department indicated they did find a weapon. we don t have all what type of weapon. we don t have all the details right now. i m going share why. when we go down below in the ground we lose radio communication so it is difficult. we had to come back up here to speak with you and share the information to our community on why we stopped trains and why we evacuated. we have to go back downstairs because we re not receiving any radio communication. but i will share with you we re not going to describe the weapon right now or the suspect because this is an active investigation. and we are working with san wroon and bart police in a support role. why did you have to close oakland 12th street? what information did you receive that concerned you folks that a suspect might be here? i understand. great question. the bother police department and oakland police department received information that the possible suspect in connection with the san bruno, that is the active shooter at the tanforan shopping center, was on bart and here at the 12th street or 14th street bart station. so it is absolutely key and critical that we stop those trains. we systematically checked and evacuate those trains for public safety and that is what we did. reporter: so when you did your search for a suspect, was it on the bart trains the platform? where? all inclusive. starts from the surface street here in case the individual is able to get off prior to us making it down below. we not only search the streets as officers arrive to the scene but also search anyone coming up from the platforms. and the trains. and this weapon was found here at oakland? one of the oakland stations. we can share bart did find a weapon and wear not going into go into the details of exactly where. we have a suspect and we re coping euro mind open. suspect or suspects. but we have information on a suspect that would be in connection with the shooting down in san bruno. reporter: again, i know it is very early in the investigation. you can t give too many details. do we know a suspect or suspects got off at bart or continued on? why would the station be reopened. sure. i can certainly share with you this. we absolutely are not going close the stations down if we don t have very good information. we have very good, very reliable case investigative information that really had all of us moving very quickly from the oakland police department, the bart police department and the oakland fire department to concentrate at 12th and broadway because of this information. again this always goes back to public safety. if we have an individual armed, just responsible for a violent crime. public safety comes first. we re going to make sure we stop the trains, evacuate and continue to search for the suspect. lot of police out here. how much longer do you think you will be out here till? we re going to stay out here if a while. we also want to make sure everyone we just evacuated off the train that they feel safe. they know the station is back open. they can continue but also we want everyone to know that they are safe. we re going to keep a police presence here for a while. we also still have an active investigation. and we are going to support san bruno and the bart police department as they continue their investigation. officer watson, thank you for your time. i know you ve had a busy afternoon. you re more than welcome. so again, bart police confirming that one weapon was found. they don t know they aren t giving us information as to where. but 12th street bart station has been reopened. reporting live in oakland, ansar hassan. abc 7 news. one thing to point out, whul while we don t have a description of what that weapon was like we do know from san bruno police that they did find a couple of weapons, couple of handguns, and there is no indication despite an initial report that some sort of rifle might have been involved. the suspicion is that handguns only were involved in this shooti shooti shooting. and the shooting is perhaps one of the two shooters because the police chief mentioned there were likely two shooters, might have gotten onto the system, the bart system from san bruno and arrived in the oakland vicinity, which prompted that information, prompting that massive search and closure of the station and the area which resulted in the finding of a weapon that they re not disclosing specifically right now the nature of it. but believed to be related possibly to the san bruno shooting there at the tanforan mall. but since they have no arrests not only is that one person to have gone through oakland there is another shooter at large possibly somewhere and they have no idea where. and i think one thing that people watching can find some comfort in, this shooting, police were quite confident this was not a random kind of attack where a shooter walks into a mall and starts shooting at people. this was some sort of targeted situation, some sort of argument that escalated, some sort of who knows what in terms of why these two people pulled out guns and started shooting but it was not just at random people, someone who just walks in and starts shooting. so police will have surveillance video. they re looking at it now. they re trying to generate photos that we can share with you so that we can pass along a description, accurate description of the two people that they are looking very much to find and take into custody for questioning. so as soon as we get that information we ll be able to pass that along as well. but of course in this day and age there will be surveillance video and cell phone video and other things that come to light here in the next few minutes and hours. in fact, details on one of the persons they re seeking they said it s a young male wear a green sweatshirt with a hood. so right now they believe there may be two shooters that were targeting each other. we don t know the relationship between those guys and the two who ended up shot who were taken to sf general. but they say those two at the hospital are in fact victims and they re still seeking two people. and two other people were hurt but the suspicion is they were maybe knocked down or trampled in the panic to get out of harm s way. these pictures are not live. our helicopter is not live at this very mome wevi you these pictures of some of t intense moments as people responded to the first call that came in at 3:56 to the tanforan mall and then san bruno police, san bruno fire and surrounding agencies that provided mutual aid descended on this mall with the report that an active shooter was involved and now we ve learned there were probably two shooters probably shooting at each other and we don t know who was hit, whether it was with that group of people, you know, with the shooter s group of people. we don t know yet exactly who was hurt. the two people shot. and what their connection is to the shooters. that s still to come. we now know from the chief that they believe the two were shooting at each other and that it was targeted and not random, and they ve stopped calling it an active shooter situation. however, based on the witnesses that we heard from, that is exactly how they treated this in this day and age unfortunately because there have been so many incidents. you heard from store clerks that were just hiding in the storage room with the lights out. completely silent. how frightening it must have been from them. we ve heard from two store clerks who really textbook response, lock the doors, turn out the lights, hide, and wait until you re told it s clear. in to instances. and as you say it s wonderful they were able to do that and respond appropriately. it s sort of a sad state of affairs that this is where we are that people have to be prepared to do this at any moment. responding agencies. you heard if the fire chief who said two weeks ago they had precisely that, active shooter drill. we do want to give you a look at latest impact on transit because many of you are asking us about that on social media forums. right now san bruno s bart station is still closed. that is true. but not only that. you also southbound coming from san francisco, south san francisco, the train stop is south san francisco. it s not even like they re going through san francisco and take you to sfo or millbrae. they re not going there. a bus bridge has been set up. but it s going to take time. it s going to slow you down if you re headed to sfo, thinking of using bart. also, people are asking about caltrain. that is operating normally. san bruno and millbrae stations are still open. and also sfo. the latest we got if them is that even though the airport is just down 380, 101 there, not very far from the scene, everything is operating normally at sfo at this time. even as the investigation continues there at the tanforan mall. all right. this all began a couple hours ago. 3:56 was the first call that there was a shooting at the mall, and we ve heard from several witnesses who describe immediate panic of course. shooter, shooter, shooter, and people started running. a couple of people apparently were injured in that panic to get out of harm s way. two people were shot. still no suspects in custody but police are fairly confident at this point that handguns were used. despite an initial report someone may have thought they saw a rifle or something. they think handguns were used. and two suspects still on the loose no, one arrest at this point. two people who were apparently targeting each other they believe. we do have some video. we re going to show this with our viewers right now. from inside the mall. this is rather dramatic. of one of the shooting victims after he was hit down on the ground. we don t have that video cell phone video someone took. hearing the gunshots, seeing the people running and then going to help that person that was down. on that point, kristen, we should point out we ve had two or three different people describeougunshots. pop, pop, pop, pop. so perhaps we ll no more in terms of how many shots were actually fired. but a couple of people have said four shots were fired o . this is the video kristen mentioned. one of the victims, shooting victims lying on the ground. you can see moving their arms as they re being attended to by presumably a passerby or a friend. ? you see the pink dresses there behind him. we believe that s nicole s bridal and formalwear. and that would be on the second floor. when you go up the escalateors from the food court the food court sort of continues because it kind of expanded to the upstairs part. so it s on the first floor and the second floor. the food court. but we think this is the second floor right above the main food court. nicole s bridal. and then right across from there is the century movie theater. so in the afternoon in the summer a lot of teens go and hang out there. and they believe the shooting victims are teenagers. again, we understand the two victims are 15 and 18ea old respectively. this is video of one of the victims being removed from the mall by authorities and with some s.w.a.t. officers as well. you see there semi-automatic rifles that they have with them. and in full riot or s.w.a.t. gear. that was part of the response here of course when the initial reports of an active shooter came in. we now know it was a shooting between two people, presumably pulling guns after some words were exchanged or whatever happened. two people pulling guns and shooting at each other. here s another look now from sky 7. one of the things that are impressive from a law enforcement standpoint, the san bruno police department as you well know, fairly small city. they have small police and small fire departments. but they responded en masse. very, very quickly. with all available personnel. and of course called forward what is called mutual aid, asking other agencies nearby to respond as well with their police officers, their s.w.a.t. teams. there you see s.w.a.t. team members moving into position. uniformed officer there in the center of your screen being led by a couple of s.w.a.t. officers. so the response, police response, was really quick, immediate, and very, very intense and thorough with dozens and dozens and dozens of officersand firefighters responding to the scene very, very quickly. it is a fairly small city, but it s been growing. certainly in economic importance too. with the addition of youtube in recent years with it being headquartered there, in fact sadly just about a year ago there was a shooting there from a woman who was unhappy with the changes in their policy on monetizing videos. went to youtube and intended and opened fire. so even though it is fairly small as a community, it has seen its share of shootings. but at the same time it is a very active retail hub for people and a gathering place. you can see the sears there. there s also a lowe s nearby. target. i shop there sometimes. and growing up i shopped there. back in the day tanforan opened as a mall was this a teenage hangout for you? yes. reasonably priced stores. it opened in 1971. it s been refurbished. it has. and the movie theater there now. lots of restaurants in the food court. and of course, dan, you remember this. before that it was originally horse racing. this is not far from the airport. i m not sure how many miles away. pretty close to the airport. a couple miles maybe not even. the costco there by the airport. and it s right off of 380. so a lot of people get off the freeway to shop there because it s only about one block off the ramps, exit ramps to 380. and you know, it s smack dab in the middle of 101 and 280. so no matter where you re going you re going through the centralized area. this is wreaking havoc seeing a lot of texts from friends who say they re stuck in gridlock in the afternoon commute, evening commute, trying to get home from that area. and then you have the thousands of youtube employees leaving as well. it s gridlock. and of course stay away not just because of that but for your own safety as the investigation continues. and these are pictures from our helicopter sky 7. this is video of the scene. and you can see some of the heavy, heavy police response with armored vehicles and look at the top of the screen. all the fire trucks that moved in. they descended on this mall, tanforan mall, just to make sure that they got those who were wounded out as quickly as possible. and then the big job of course was to identify who was responsible and to try as best they can, which is very hard in a situation where there are hundreds and thousands of people, not to let them slip away. it is relatively easy sometimes to blend in in the crush of people. as a result two people that they are looking for, two suspected gunmen or shooters in this situation, presumably shooting at each other in some sort of gunfight, have gotten away. they have not yet found them. but police are fairly confident that they re going to be able to release some video and some pictures soon to get a good accurate description of exactly who they re looking for. and of course they have witnesses and they are pressing those witnesses very hard. perhaps even witnesses who knew the shooters who were detained or who were stopped for questioning. police will not reveal everything they know to us of course for investigative reasons but there s a very good chance. very good chance they already know exactly who they re looking for. and we don t know also if they ve had a chance to really interview the two who were shot who are at sf general. they are at the hospital. they re at the hospital. sure. we don t know what kind of information they ve been able to get out of them. but it is possible if they might know the guys, the shooters that are being they re also interviewing the families of the two shooting victims and the families are there w understand at san francisco general hospital, we were told by a spokesperson from the hospital. so police will of course be asking the families who they may know, who may have done this. give us some names. but we do know right now because they do not have anyone in custody and they believe there were two shooters. it is still a very tense situation with heavily armed police at the tanforan shopping center right now in san bruno. and if the investigation takes them onto the bart system, which it has, then there may be future closures on the line, on the system, as people are trying to get home. earlier the 12th street station in oakland was impacted when they got information suggesting that one of the suspects, one of the shooters might have passed through there or been in that vicinity. they closed it down for about a half hour, 45 minutes or so. they did a search. they found a weapon. they wouldn t tell us exactly what weapon that was. but they do believe it was related to this particular incident. but they did not arrest or detain anyone. but they did at the very least ascertain and determine that the bart system and the bart station was safe. and they were able to reopen and let commuters go about their business. and they were very adamant they would not let that happen if they were not convinced there was no was no danger present and there was no one involved in this situation still on or near those bart trains or bart platforms. and you did hear johna watson, the public spokesperson for the oakland police department say they are going to keep a larger presence of oakland police officers and bart police officers than normal at these stations, 12th and 14th street station for some time this evening just to make certain that it is all clear and there s no more danger. but that is certainly what they seem very confident to be able to say, that there s no more danger anymore on the bart system. but they are not saying that, dan-b the tanforan mall area. correct. and they certainly still have the area surrounded. and we don t know exactly how many people they ve been able to evacuate from the mall. so we don t know if most of the employees have gotten out, most of the shoppers. they certainy try to do the evacuation in an orderly way in the situation when they enter an
dakota. is a bastard he took part in the greatest adventure in history. you know more strong words whose destiny starts july 20th d.w. . this is the news coming up on the program tensions between india and pakistan playing out in the hague the un s highest court intervenes in a dispute over an alleged indian spot order in pakistan to suspend adepts sentence but is it a victory for india we ll talk about the ruling and what it means also coming up. growing old in china millions of seniors face an uncertain future with the cost of elderly care rising and fewer in younger people to look after them it s china s demographic time bomb we have a special report. i m melissa chan and welcome to news asia it s good to have you with us the united nation s highest court the international court of justice has ordered pakistan to review the death penalty given in 2017 to a former indian navy commander who. was convicted of being a spy india insists he never worked in intelligence but instead was kidnapped new delhi had asked the court in the hague to intervene here s more on the good russians who juggle them with 45 for a drink of the indignity. of was arrested in pakistan spy law just on problems and 2016. islamabad claims he used a false passport to travel to pakistan and committed sabotage espionage and multiple terrorist acts and 2017 the pakistani military released a controversial confession video and just sentenced to death. it sparked shoot anger in india and stuck tensions between the bitter regional focus on. new delhi decided to outsource the dispute by taking the case to the international court of justice in the hague. on wednesday a panel of 16 judges considered india s claim that jeff was given an unfair trial because pakistan had denied him consular assistance 15 of them a great that the latter was a breach of international law is being. considered is very appropriate remedy in this case to be effective review and reconsideration of the conviction and sentence of mr a job. like the judges also ordered a continued stay of execution. for what they didn t do with grand india s request to a null just that sentence and allow his return to india. for pakistan s attorney general that was the part that matters. under the yard of remanded custody of pakistan. this is a clear clear win for bob of. india also claimed victory the prime minister tweeted that truth and justice had prevailed and celebrations broke out in mumbai after the verdict became 9. it s a huge victory for start truth has triumphed and this is truly a big thing. while both sides celebrate and likely long beyond that john f. will stay behind bars in pakistan. joining us now is the w. s on money seek a politician and usually based in bonn but visiting us here in berlin today now the court has made its decision but he can t enforce that decision so what happens next where the i suggest decisions are not binding or to put it in another or to rephrase it the i suggest decisions are binding only if the countries involved consent to the decision so in this particular case pakistan would most likely order a review but as we know pakistan has also hear of the decision as a victory for justice system so it s likely that of course. job of will not be exonerated he will not be sent back to india relieved of and back to india but there will be a review tell us a little bit about jackass we don t know that much about him and i understand that there was some controversy about a supposed confession ok if a former officer of the indian navy as india puts it now pakistan says that when ok let me just go back here a little bit. of was arrested in 2016 and pakistan said they arrested him from baluchistan which is a border region which borders afghanistan and iran sensitive region exactly so pakistan said that he was working. that he was an officer of the indian our navy at the time and he was also involved with the indian spy agency that s the research analysis wing also known as draw so pakistan said that he was involved in separatist activities with. us and that s why they arrested him now india says that he was an indian navy officer he retired and then started his own business at iran s java har airport so well that s the difference between the 2 countries but otherwise he is a normal guy you have a family in mumbai and i think to children and so the lawyer representing pakistan at court had said that india is playing political theater here i imagine these 2 countries have never had really good relations has deep proceedings made it even worse when you have to understand pakistan s reaction in the within a certain context but the thing is that pakistan has always been represented in the international stage and also in the south asian stage as a country that harbors terrorists now this is one occasion pakistan can say that india is also promoting terrorist activities in its balochistan reis region so i mean in that context if you understand sparks that i understand pakistan statement . you realize why they re saying it like that but what was the other part of your question them well 1 in terms of the relationship between the 2 countries well i don t know if it really makes it better or worse you know earlier this year there was a standoff between india and pakistan where an indian by god was caught in pakistan and he was there and subsequently relieved and relations became much better i think that the present prime minister iran kind of pakistan is under tremendous domestic pressure to make sure that the indian spies not exonerated that pakistan has control over its stupid to go system as far as spies. concerned on the other hand if you see what happened in the last days we can just stick the buy into you know this one spy incident in isolation by kristen also arrested terrorists have to say you need who was involved or who was the mastermind of the moon by terror attacks in 2008 so pakistan also seems to be very furious about its commitment to a rest area. and it also opened its f.p. so it s actually moving forward so if we don t see just this incident in isolation i don t think it s really going to worsen relations ok. thank you thank you. china is in trouble it faces a problem that other countries have grappled with and not managed well i m talking about its ageing population a challenge that will impact the world s 2nd largest economy over the next few decades its one child policy was abandoned in recent years but its powerful effect remains too many old people and not enough young people to take care of them we take a closer look when drunk is preparing her lunch the 67 year old has lived alone in her beijing apartment since her husband died earlier this year her only child has also passed away john s daughter lost her life in a car accident 15 years ago i don t know what her home not or broke down machine i feel so helpless haha the communist party used to tell us every family can have only one child. the state will take care of you when you get on and tender you have and now that we are wrong they re simply not keeping their promise me please did. she doesn t want to think about what will happen in a few years when she can no longer take care of herself. many aging chinese face an uncertain future more than 240000000 people aged over 60 live in the republic of china by some projections by 2051 in 3 chinese will be old aged the reason goes back to china s one child policy which stood for over 30 years this led to a disproportionately aging population the law was changed in 2016 to allow for 2 children per couple. that chinese tradition requires children to take in their aging parents and care for them in their own homes but in the future this will no longer be practical. ciancia and now is a privately run aged care home in the city of tight chin it s a 1st class facility with one carer for every patient the top floor boasts an artificial garden. the residents can dance with the manager herself but all this comes at a high price as much as $3000.00 euros a month so most chinese pension is this some is astronomically high there are hardly any aged care facilities in china and the few that exist have trouble finding qualified personnel who are shot china s geriatric care market is developing rapidly and still has huge deficits we need more caregivers fast but the training takes a long time and the gap is very large that. even though the chinese could benefit from using retirement homes they re reluctant to do so many prefer the traditional system of home care for the elderly or the. one who did not have to move into a care facility she lives with her husband the out sign a patient receives care at home her family has enough money to afford a caregiver. i young sure used to work in a care home where she was paid per patient but here her wages are higher and she has more time for one quite chair and. i like my work a lot and i m very patient if what i change doesn t want to eat anything i just wait sooner or later she ll eat again it s my job to take good care of her under because all she can do is lie in bed. as the population ages the number dependent on care is also increasing it s not clear who will take care of patients with high needs in the future experts estimate that up to 10000000 more caregivers will be needed to meet the demand in the coming years. i don t think china is ready the elderly population is rising rapidly it s impossible to keep up with the expansion of the health care system. the only thing we can do is to learn from countries with good care systems like the us or japan. and that s what the government is trying to do they are reforming nursing care insurance and opening up the market for caregiving to attract international investors but long term plans do not exists. out here only in the state pension system is also struggling projections from the chinese academy of social sciences are bleak in just 15 years the state pension fund could dry up pensions are barely enough to survive on wenchuan receives $500.00 euros a month. she s still paying off the bills from caring from her now deceased husband other chinese seniors rely on receiving care from their only child but when sean has to take care of herself. with singapore s new fleet of cleaning robots they don t just vacuum up trash they tell jokes and even rap thanks for watching see you next time and good bye. he takes good personally. with all the wonderful people in stories that make the game so special. for all true fans. because more than so long line claim. logo to the girl next you tube channel. a good line of stewards. with exclusive inside. the must see concerning parts culture you re a. place to be for curious minds. do it yourself networkers. so subscribers don t miss out. fled. to cock sure not to cut central banks around the world stop taking fiscal action by lowering interest rates a trade war and slowing global growth has policymakers worried 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