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Welcome to hardtalk. Im stephen sackur. The global covid 19 pandemic has put a spotlight on the relationship between scientists and policy makers. Leaders across the world have responded to the science with everything from respect to scepticism, foremost amongst the sceptics president Jair Bolsonaro of brazil, one of the countries hit hardest by the virus. My guest, brazilian microbiologist natalia pasternak, has launched a crusade against her president in the name of science. Is she winning the argument . Natalia pasternak in sao paulo, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you, stephen, for having me. ...

Time now for hard to talk. Hardtalk. Welcome to hardtalk. Im stephen sackur. The global covid 19 pandemic has put a spotlight on the relationship between scientists and policy makers. Leaders across the world have responded to the science with everything from respect to scepticism, foremost amongst the sceptics president Jair Bolsonaro of brazil, one of the countries hit hardest by the virus. My guest, brazilian microbiologist natalia pasternak, has launched a crusade against her president in the name of science. Is she winning the argument . Natalia pasternak in sao paulo, welcome to hardtalk...

Going, quote, well. Lawmakers who have been diagnosed continues to grow. Just in the last hour we learned that senator ron johnson of wisconsin has tested positive. He joins two of his senator colleagues, thom till lis and mike lee. At least 7 people who attended that event have now tested positive. Joining me now, laurie garrett, author of the plague is coming. Former senior to the white house, olivia troy and yami yamish elcindor. Lori, i would like to start with you. You had a piece today on Foreign Policy headlines saying only state of the art medicine and luck can save trump now. Can you ...

Careful. Its more than understandable to be enraged at the president and at this white house for endangering all of the other people whose lives they have risked and january tear squandered. They continue to put others at risk, not only by setting bad examples, not only by failing in the Pandemic Response but now quite literally as carriers of the virus you. The fac. The fact that tn occurred is a damning indictment and unfortunately kind of a we told you so reality. This is almost a nail in the coffin of his incompetence in handling the virus. Over at cnn, were told again and a again the pres...

Says, a virus that has now killed killed nearly 210,000 americans and infected 7. 4 Million People in the u. S. , many of whom are still battling Serious Health effects. As for the president saying he feels better than he did 20 years ago, thats great, though one has to wonder how much of that is because of the steroids he has been given. Should the president be leaving for the white house . Thats now a question. Its now a coronavirus hot spot of its own, of course, the white house. The nations top Infectious Disease expert, dr. Anthony fauci, told cnn earlier today that coronavirus patients s...