north korea will reject the results of what it calls the forced autopsy which it says was not witnessed by north korean officials. who knows if the north korean will ever get that body back or what that autopsy will say about the cause of death. brian, thank you. i m brianna keilar. erin burnett out front starts right now. out front next, breaking news, the dow hits an all time high again seven days in a row. trump taking the credit. does he deserve it? and the secret service investigating an incident tonight involving trump s mor or the cade, what happened, and trump s twitter tirade. he tweeted, deleted, retweeted. let s go out front. good evening. i m erin burnett. one thing going right for trump. an all-time high. these are the facts. stocks hit a record today in the midst of their best streak in 25 years. it s a dramatically different headline than the ones about chaos and turmoil in the white house. those headlines are true, but so is this one. the economy is surging. another fact. a survey at its highest level since 1984. president trump today taking credit at a boeing plant in south carolina. since november, jobs have already begun to surge. the president celebrating his boeing visit. but does he get the credit or would that headline be fake news? sara murray begins our coverage tonight at the white house. sa sara, the economy right now is the big bright spot for this president. reporter: that s right. despite president trump saying earlier this week he inherited a mess, he does have an economy with a 4.8% unemployment rate, incredibly low. when he was in south carolina today he said he would spark even more job creation but didn t say how. i love south carolina. i love it. less than a month into his presidency he s breaking out of the bubble getting back into campaign mode. this was going to be a place that was tough to win and we won in a landslide. reporter: he visited a boeing plant today. the president trying to get back to his sweet spot touting his goal to revive american manufacturing. when american workers win, america as a country wins, big-league wins. that s my message here today. america is going to start winning again, winning like never, ever before. reporter: with the administration under fire over to give him a chance. i think whatever he says it changes from day to day, so i don t actually believe he has the vision and ability to follow through on policy. reporter: strong opinions on the topic. on both sides we heard on a number of issues people are passionate about. thank you very much. out front, former economic adviser to donald trump s campaign, steven moore and former chairman of the council of economic advisers for barack obama, alston goolsbee. thanks to both. four weeks into president trump s term, taking credit for job growth, stong consumer confidence, surging stocks. fair? i think there is a trump effect, no question about it. if you look at the stock market, after a level 2016, it started to surge after the november 7th election. no question about it. and it s not unusual that a president would take credit for things that happened on his watch. he s only been in office for a month and some of these were let in motion. the big effect here, over the last week, the whole media story has been, oh, a tumultuous week for donald trump and washington, but what most americans are paying attention to is not this kind of palace intrigue we in washington pay attention to but what s going on in the real economy, and trump has had a good number of weeks so you ve seen an increase in consumer confidence, small business consumer confidence, the factory orders that came out last week were strong for january. so things are looking up and it s not unusual for a president to take credit for it. of course they ll take credit, whether fake nudes or real news we are at an all-time record on the dow. some of the things that are of wages and jobs is what americans will look at. you know, my attitude about the obama years, yeah, the economy did pretty well, but there s really only about the top 20% that saw gains in income and the other 80%, not much. i traveled around with donald trump and we went to places like michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, and people there were saying they didn t feel much of a recovery. well, i would say that i disagree with that. you know, if you look at the actual data on wages, the last year s wage gains were the biggest in the middle class on record that we have been keeping track of that. i get the feeling if you look at what donald trump s doing, you know, we just had the super bowl. barack obama saves us from depression, he s been the starting quarterback for seven years, and with 30 seconds left in the game, and they re way ahead, they bring in the backup. and he s going around saying i won the game! he didn t win the game. look, we had a crisis i was hoping you would give donald trump a little credit in this interview. [ talking over each other ] steve, here s the thing. donald trump, say you want to give him credit. he can t take credit until things come to fruition. optimism is one thing, right? let s see what happens to those small business profits. he s done a lot of meetings, airlines, the retailers, he s met with everybody. tech companies. and here is what he has said after each one of those big meetings in recent weeks. they re all talking about the bounce, so right now everybody has to like me at least a little bit. but we re going to try and have that bounce continue. the auto industry just left a week ago. they were here in the same room. and they re very happy with what we re doing and you re going to be so happy with trump. i think you already are. there s a lot of you re going to like me and be happy, but he hasn t put anything on the table yet, steve. nothing. there s no tax plan. there s nothing on the table yet. wait a minute. i worked on the campaign and the tax plan. we have a tax plan. there will be some nuanced changes to it but everybody knows what he wants to do. he wants to lower taxes for families and bring america s is he going to put his plan on the table? he hasn t done anything yet. this is so far all talk. one reason for that is they ve been focused on obamacare, which is another high priority for trump. but i would make this point to both of you. you know, i think the reason you re seeing a bit of a bounce in the step of the economy since the election is that trump ran a kind of pro worker, pro business platform, and you know what, businesses want pro business in washington. i m not saying, look, i agree with you, we have to make sure regulations are in place to safeguard safety and other things like that, but just basically saying we want america to be competitive in the global economy, that s a very positive thing. i think businesses are responding in advance of some of these policies. i m not against that. how much time does he have, alston, before he has to have legislative victories in congress? two things. one, i don t think he has much time. most of what you get to do as president you do certainly in your first year and probably in your first just few months. i think the more they just kind of sit around and sign vague executive orders and don t actually put out details of what they want in a tax plan, the more danger they have that they re just not going to be able to do it. all right. i agree. i ve been frustrated with the pace of i want to see these things i wanted them to rush out of the gate like secretariat. i agree, alston, i think a president has a bit of a honeymoon period but the press hasn t given him much of a ho y honeymo honeymoon. but you have to get this stuff done quickly. most presidents get their agenda passed in the first six months. as you know, president obama got his stimulus plan done in the first month and a half or something like that. the first month. it was done by this point. he did come out of the gates like secretariat. the executive order that got shot down in court. all kinds of things that were secretariat-like, just not the ones you want. thank you. next, the secretary of state not staying with other world leaders for a conference in germany. wait till you see where he s staying. is it a simple logistical error or something much bigger? 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he can try. among allies there has been worry, skepticism, in some cases disgust, for example, over the travel ban, and there s been inconsistency. i mean, for example, they see one member of the president s team like the secretary of state say things like we ll consider working with russia, if certain contingencies are met, but they turn their head and see president obama sorry, see president trump on television making headlines saying we would love to do a deal with russia. and saying things that just aren t consistent. i think the good thing for mike pence is he ll be talking to nato allies even though president trump during the campaign said nato is obsolete and allies might have to defend themselves, he s since changed his tune and now we ve heard the administration say multiple times that at least they are committed to nato. and, you know, speaking of the world order, the secretary of state, rex tillerson, at the g-20 staying at a sanitarium 30 minutes away from the rest of the world leaders. the g-20 is a major event, known well in advance, right, that the state department would have planned for regardless of who the secretary was. does it speak to a lack of coordination within this administration? i think it points to a lack of everything being in place and you psi that throughout. there are people in top positions who are political appointees but who had decades of experience and were here for obviously multiple straights, asked to leave before those positions could be filled by the new administration. you have people within the state department who aren t sure what the policy is even going to be. so this is a little built of disorganization, although the state department says, look, tillerson has been in office for two weeks and we didn t book it until we knew that everything was going to be in place. but it points to maybe them not being 100% certain he would be confirmed. all right. thank you very much. richard haass author of a world of disarray, also met with president trump during transition. the secretary of state rex tillerson staying at a sanitarium 30 minutes away from where the players are at the g-20 and bloomberg describes it as, you know, security agents in a parking lot, elderly people in wheelchairs coming for their spa treatments. is this a logistical issue or reflective of a state department behind the 8-ball right now? it s a logistical issue on the surface but underneath it all i think it reflects two serious things. one is the lack of support at the state department. rex tillerson is essentially home alope. there s no staff. he wasn t able to get the deputy he wanted so that s one issue. second of all, it highlights the basic issue of the relationship between the secretary of state and this white house. no secretary of state can be successful if the world does not think he speaks and speaks authoritatively for the president. let me just say every day that goes by with this sort of thing happening, it begins to create doubts and doubts are poisonous for the ability of a secretary of state to be effective. tillerson hasn t taken any questions on this trip as you know. he doesn t have a deputy. he hasn t had a press conference since he took over. how much time does he have? he is someone that does lend gravitas and credibility in world leaderships to the trump administration, but as you said, the runway is short. the president has tome power his secretary of state. the president has to go out there and show that the secretary of state speaks for him, that the two of them there s no daylight between them. it would also help if there was a national security adviser in place because we don t really have an administration to speak of when you start talking about national security. so these are early days, only, what, less than a month since the administration began, but they can t count on the world remaining a calm place or a relatively calm place. sooner or later, a real crisis rather than one general rated by the administration itself is going to come into their in boxes and they had better be up and running and ready for it. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is a very important visit, obviously, this week. and trump was asked twice about anti-semitism in america. here at his press conference is how he answered a jewish reporter s question yesterday. what we haven t really heard being addressed is an uptick in anti-semitism and how the government is planning to take care of it. there are people who are committing anti-semitic acts or threatening he said he was going to ask a simple, easy question, and it s not. it s not. not a simple question. not a fair question. okay. sit down. number one, i am the least anti-semitic person that you ve ever seen in your entire life. number two, racism. the least racist person. he didn t answer the question. what do you make of that response? well, in what was an odd 77 minutes that was on the short list of odd moments. i thought it was a slow curve, but i thought the president it would have given him a simple opportunity to denounce anti-semitism, say it has no place in american society. what i couldn t figure out is whether he simply misunderstood the question, he didn t get it all. you know, i know there are those reading into it saying he politically didn t want to say certain things. i m not prepared to go there. again, i just thought it was something of a missed opportunity to stay what needs to be said, that there s simply no place for anti-semitism in any aspect of life in this country or anywhere else. he did seem to take it personally, i m the least anti-semitic person that you know. he made it about himself. obviously something that on all of these issues something he tend to do. again, i thought it was a missed opportunity but, you know, one thing i can bet on, he ll have another opportunity because anytime a president does that kind of a thing with the sensitive issue, you know and i know that some other journalist is going to revisit it. your name, richard, has been mentioned as a possible deputy secretary of state. elliott aber talked about his meeting with rex tillerson and president trump and said he thought president trump was engaged in the entire conversation, obviously that didn t work out. president trump found out that elliott abrams criticized him and wouldn t allow rex tillerson to hire him. if you were offered the job, what you ve seen this week with elliott abrams, the national security adviser, would you take the job? well, again, i m a great bhooefr that you don t turn jobs you haven t been offered, but don t get me wrong, i m not interested in that position. before you take a senior level job you have to be comfortable with the conception of the job, comfortable with the sort of policies you ll be asked to represent. you ve really got to be in alignment. anyone who s read my recent book, anyone who s been reading me on social media or watching me on shows like this will know that i m in many areas, many important areas, i m not in sufficient alignment with this president and this administration so far to accept a senior position. richard, there are some who say the united states is less safe right now, and when you look at foreign policy or the lack thereof, right, we don t know what foreign policy of this administration is, right, there is no syria policy thus far, his position on israel policy has completely flipped. he was for settlements, now is saying that he is wants a deal on that front. you see it with china, whether there s a one china policy or not. you see wit north korea. do you think the world right now is less safe than it was one month ago? well, the one thing i think the administration did that may have made the united states and the world less safe was its position dealing with refugees and the whole homeland security issue. more broadly, though, by move eight way from so many established positions, we ve created real doubts in the minds of our friends and allies about whether we are dependable, whether we re reliable, whether what has been the case remains the case. so i don t think it s that we re in the short run less safe but what worries me is we re setting in motion dynamics and trends that over months or years will reduce u.s. influence and will mean that a lot of traditional friends and allies increasingly go their own way. and they may defer to powerful local states, they may decide to take matters into their own hands and think about developing nuclear weapons, making more independent decisions. we re not there yet, but i think we are setting that kind of historical trend in motion. richard, thank you very much. thanks for having me. next, the president today tweet, deleting, betweening, retweeting. what is the one word that was so important for him to take out? 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he looked presidential. everything was going his way. sure. he s an equal opportunity employer including more news organizes. it s a personal attack on the media. i think the public at large views the media with suspicion. i think when he attacks the media he highlights the coverage, encourages viewers to view the media and their coverage with discerning eye particularly when there are gaps in the facts like the flynn transcript and left wing commentators inserting wild speck haitian. i think when he calls out the media it encourages the public to scrutinize the public and the press and it is a win, supplements his message. keith, while kayleigh may have some points, i disagree on one important thing. the enemy of the people is something that would bring down an institution that makes our country great. that is deeply concerning to me. you re right about that. keith, what is your view on the effectiveness of this? kayleigh points out, people who like trump, this is what they want to hear. it is what his supporters want to hear but not what the american people want to hear. it s not effective. it stepped on his message today at boeing. no discipline. did same thing about the convention on the benghazi day. stepped on that message with his fox news interview. this guy is unhinged and he can t stay focused. the problem is his job now as president is to unite the country. and he has not done one thing since the election to unite the media. he s attacking everyone except vladimir putin, by the way, and this is supposed to be the time presidents have their highest approval ratings. he has the lowest gallup approval rating for any president this time in history. it s not a good start and it s his fault. the campaign is over. time to start acting presidential and i don t think he s capable of doing it. nia? on the one hand, it does bind his supporters together. this is what they want to here. this is what they re used to hearing. donald trump has to have a foil. it s donald trump and fox news and rush limbaugh versus everybody. i think his attacks on other institutions like the court hasn t worked out well for him, his attacks on the intelligence agencies as he calls them, hasn t worked well for him. as well i think american presidents have used the idea of the freedom of the press as an argument why america is an exceptional country. this idea that he and bannon have floated that the media is an opposition nal party is not in keeping with what american presidents have used. i think it s dangerous taking away that argument. it s also kind of silly and a waste of time. cnn was here before donald trump was president. we ll be hereafter ward. t the washington post, other news organizations will be here after he s gone. it s like a broken record. kind of like what else you got, donald trump? is there something to be said here for steve bannon, i get it, he came from the opposition, this is how he sees the world. i understand that. but donald trump doesn t have political experience so maybe he doesn t understand the job of the media is to speak truth to power. that is our job. when you are in power, we are going to look, we are going to find, we are going to make sure. that is our job. he doesn t seem to get that. yeah, erin, i agree entirely about the importance of a free press. it is crucial to a democratic society. there is no argument about that. i think what president trump is frustrated with is like keith said president trump hasn t done one thing to unite the country. that is patently false. yesterday when the media was very into trump s press conference, rightfully so, it was a big moment, they did so at the expense of what was a unity moment, having coal miners in the white house, rescinding regulations, helping this ailing industry, issuing an order on black colleges and universities. these are unifying acts but left wing commentators ignore them or act as if they ve never happened. we leave it there. i thank you for tonight. out front next, president trump s third straight weekend at mar-a-lago. his adult sons opening a golf course in dubai. a lot of that is on your bill. melania still spending most days in trump tower. president trump talking tough, putting iran on notice. what does the average iranian think about that? 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it s hard to forecast what the cost will be. reporter: other presidents have raised security challenges with their lifestyles and travel. bill clinton s vacations in martha s vineyard, george bush s retreats to texas, barack obama s holidays in hawaii. and cnn is told just protecting vice president biden s family took nearly 50 agents. that s stunning. unprecedented bills to taxpayers? that depends on what kind of pattern they set into over the long run. this could be a lot more than barack obama, but not necessarily. if they settle down and deal with new york and d.c. and mar-a-lago, then maybe. president obama made various trips across the country, all of which cost a lot of money. the bottom line is president trump is not doing anything wrong. these are just the challenges in the modern world of guarding a president and those challenges can be very expensive. all right. thank you very much, tom foreman. next, jeanne moos on saturday night live giving new meaning to the bully pulpit. and anti-americanism in iran. intensifying since the election of donald trump. we are ready to fight. all of us. with every early morning. every late night. and moment away. with every click.call.punch. and paycheck. you ve earned your medicare. it was a deal that was made long ago, and aarp believes it should be honored. thankfully, president trump does too. i am going to protect and save your social security and your medicare. you made a deal a long time ago. now, it s congress turn. tell them to protect medicare. mattress firmness? 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you know the one i m talking about. as we said, something that gives a whole new meaning to the world bully pulpit, here is jeanne moos. reporter: when president trump stood behind a podium and asked a reporter you okay? reporter: it reminded us of another podium and a fake reporter asking the same question. just mentally, though, are you okay? are you kidding me? are you reporter: melissa mccarthy as press secretary sean spicer drove her snl podium into immortality. the world s most famous motorized podium. did you have to teach jenny mccarthy how to drive a podium? we did. it was a lot of fun. reporter: snl gave this small pennsylvania company monkey boys productions less than 48 hours to create the podium. snl first suggested rigging a segue, but that was deemed dangerous so they took a motorized wheelchair, removed the seat, and built a podium on it out of foam and wood. mccart mccarthy controlled wit a joysti joystick. in her first rehearsal, mccarthy s driving was a little bit tentative. something you ve never done before but once she got the hang of it she was playing around having a great time, trying to run people over. reporter: of course even nonmotorized podiums have mishaps. whooo! reporter: hillary s collapsed. and obama s we cannot sustain whoops. was that my reporter: yep. presidential seal. all of you know who i am. reporter: podiums are always getting abused. by coaches. well reporter: makes mccarthy seem almost gentle. when you take the podium, try not to take it with you. then prime minister of italy tripped on a mike cord at the white house. vil veoh berlusconi decapitated the podium but kept talking. when your podium acts like a bully we ve been calling wit the bully pulpit. reporter: jeanne moos, new york. live from new york it s saturday night! we ll be right back. she seems nice. 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wrongdoing by president obama contradicting president trump s allegations that susan rice broke the law. plus, more info about the investigation into trump team connections to russia. details about surveillance warrants against one of the president s campaign managers and why the fbi thought that adviser could be acting as a foreign agent. plus, it s the first rule of politics. don t compare anybody to hitler. i guess nobody told sean spicer. we didn t use chemical weapons in world war ii. you know? you had a you know, someone when s despicable as hitler who didn t sink to the to using chemical weapons. we ve got the latest on the attempts to clean that up and whether that will be enough for president trump. we want do get started with the breaking news on the trump administration charges of improper surveillance by the obama administration. cnn is learning now about the claims of chairman devin nunes that members of the obama administration improperly requested the identities of americans appearing in intelligence reports. now, just to refresh your memory, here s what congressman nunes has said previously. there s some information in those documents that concern me and the reports that i read that i don t think belong there. it would make me uncomfortable. some of it i think it bothered me enough i went over to the white house because i think the president needs to see these reports for himself. i was concerned about americans identities being either not masked properly for in fact unmasked in intelligence reports. so, congressman nunes also said that he would share what he saw with other committee members. well, he has. and cnn s senior congressional correspondent is learning more about that. manu, what are you hearing? don, tonight both democratic and republican lawmakers and aides casting doubt on the claims made that obama administration officials improperly requested the names of u.s. individuals who had been redacted in intelligence documents. cnn sources say these lawmakers have seen the same intelligence documents that nunes reviewed and tell us that they see no evidence that the obama administration officials did anything out of the ordinary and certainly nothing illegal as the president alleged. a congressional source described the request as, quote, normal and appropriate, don. so, you and jim schuto talked to sources who have seen the documents. what are they telling you about their contents? well congressional source tells me, quote, there s absolutely no smoking gun in these reports. as nunes suggested and in fact the person saying the white house to declassify the reports to make it clear there s nothing alarming in it and currently classified documents but a lot of questions have been raised, don, around the role of susan rice that former obama national security adviser and whether she acted legally in requesting the names of trump officials who are incidentally collected in these intelligence reports. now, president trump himself said last week she may have broken the law. but, don, multiple sources have reviewed the documents that nunes timely say they do not back the president s claims she may have broken the law. they re saying that they re routine requests she may have made. now, the president himself, don, has not yet revealed what intelligence he has been relying on to make that assertion, that rice broke the law and the white house not yet provided that either. manu, even if the obama rope explain to us, what are the rules for actually making and granting these unmasking requests. well, they were set by the intelligence community, certain senior national security officials can make these requests. the intelligence agencies principally the national security agency, decides whether to grant these unmasking requests but we are told that typically the requests of senior officials are rarely denied and now despite in the judgment of the people looking at the reports that these obama officials requests were within the law and appear to be common practice, some members of congress do have concerns about the justifications that were given to unmask these individuals and the standards for the intelligence agencies to grant these requests so expect the both and senate intelligence committees to look into this matter as part of their broader investigation into russia, don. manu, as you know and reporting, nunes forced to temporarily recuse himself from the investigation and investigated by the house ethics committee because of his handling of the documents. what s the status now of that investigation? it appears to be moving forward, don. right now the house on a two-week recess and behind the scenes an agreement on the list of witnesses but even though there s a they do know who to interview going forward, there s a clear divide. sources are telling us that the republicans mostly want to interview people who have leaked classified information believing that that is where the real crime is and democrats are looking to hear testimony about any of those ties between russia and those trump associates and they do want to talk to those key trump associates, expect that committee to try to interview all of those folks that democrats want to talk to and republicans including susan rice who will have to defend what she did and requesting the identity of those american citizens and she ll have to do that not just before the house panel, don, but also the senate intelligence committee which wants to hear from her as part of their own russia probe. manu, thank you very much. want to bring in jeff zeleny. hello to you, jeff. this is not good news for the white house, of course. everyone up to the president made a big deal of susan rice s role in unmasking the names of americans whose names came up in incidental complexion. the president told the new york times what she did is one of the big, big stories of our time. reporter: he did, don. good evening. and the president also told the new york times in that interview about susan rice she was guilty of some type of a crime and not for him to necessarily decide. this is something that the white house has been trying to not talk about this week, actually. they have the syria strikes, other things. the russia investigation is still hanging over this administration. still hanging over the white house here. and manu s reporting about the house intelligence committee, the republicans and democrats, looking at this. i mean, that is very significant here. because the white house is repeatedly said, look, this is in the hands of the house and senate the committees here and activities? there was an earlier case in which page came to the attention of the fbi. i believe it was 2013. and in which he was basically engaging with what he thought apparently was a russian diplomat who, in fact, was a russian intelligence officer. this is in new york. and there was an exchange of information where he provided, page provided to this russian operative documents related to the energy field that he was working on. and so, this is one of the items that s listed in the application that the fbi filed with the fisa court to get the warrant up on the communications. so in other words, there s a history of contact there that the fbi was able to cite and then, of course, you know, when you look at carter page s history, he s he spent several years in russia, working for merrill lynch and has frequently returned, you know, and that is obviously something that doesn t necessarily mean anything because a lot of american business men, investment bankers and so on, have dealings in russia but this also added to the suspicions on the part of the fbi which then they had to present to convince an fisa judge to allow them to monitor his communications. adam is a national security correspondent for the washington post. thank you. can you stay with us on the phone? because i want to bring our own people in here and then you can check and may need to get you to put a final button on this. i want to bring jeff zeleny back and joining us is laura coates and nia malika henderson. the 90-day warrant is renewed more than once. what does it tell you that the fbi would have to prove if they were getting somewhere to get it renewed? why would they do that? well, it could mean one of two things. either, one, they did not acquire enough information to go forward with actual criminal charges and they needed to have more time to do so. the other explanation is they have not gotten enough but received some. enough to warrant additional causes for probable cause. probable cause, of course, the courts are saying, is there some basis? is there a reason to believe there s a national security risk at our at the core of your request to investigate an american citizen? and if there s continuing information that is coming in that encourages the fisa court, this is an appropriate invasion, and they ll continue to grant continuance and extensions. it s very important what we just talked about in that you have somebody on the radar at the fbi their failed foreign policy. it will be interesting to see when it s more fully disclosed including the dodgey dossier, a document that clearly is false evidence which could represent yet another potential crime. now, i m sure, you know, there are going to be many, many more questions of page and other trump associates. what do you take from his response there? yeah. it s fairly nonsensical. i mean, it s this sort of allegation about the deep state and clinton and obama as the bad guys who are somehow pursuing him illegally. i mean, the point of the matter here is that the fbi is looking in to trump associates, obviously we heard comey say that in his testimony before the senate intel committee a couple of weeks ago but, you know, carter page is out there on any number of occasions talking about this and you had trump with the washington post some point name carter page as a foreign policy adviser. it is unclear as adam was saying how close he was to the campaign, how much he was in the inner circle in terms of foreign policy. but i think, again, this puts this investigation about russia front and center at a time i think when we had the trump administration for the first time from this administration really talk tough on russia and really basically try to get russia to do something different and called them out in terms of syria. but again, this constant sort of trickling out of information about this investigation not helpful to this administration. jeff, i want you to take a listen to this. we heard you might be announcing your foreign policy advisory team soon. we are going to be doing that, in fact, very soon. i d say during the week we ll be announcing some names. it will always grow. anything you can start off this morning with us? i hadn t thought in terms of doing it. if you want, i can give you some of the names. i d be delighted. i wouldn t mind. walid phares who you probably know. ph.d. adviser to the house of representatives caucus and counterterrorism expert. carter page, ph.d. so that was march 21 of 2016, jeff, of the washington post. both adam with the washington post and nia-malika, both mentioned that exchange. has the white house explained how carter page ended up on the list? they haven t extensively. that s back when mr. trump was emerging as the likely or potential republican nominee. just a little over a year or so ago and quite frankly he didn t have much of a big apparatus of advisers around him. he was a very lean campaign but he was sitting down with the editorial board there of washington post, that was the publisher of the washington post asking him questions there and he did say that carter page was an adviser. now he was never a central player in the rest of the campaign. certainly like a paul manofort and sean spicer from the podium at the white house said, oh, basically not involved in the campaign. that s not true. but carter page does fit into more along the lines of those descriptions here. he was never a central player in terms of the campaign apparatus. but did have meetings and he was, you know, in the inner circle and the president there, you know, was saying that he was one of his advisers here so look. as this plays out, it is getting closer and closer to the inner circle here and this fisa warrant, you know, that the washington post is reporting tonight is something that trump team and campaign will have a hard time blaming that on susan rice or others. i mean, this is a court of law, a judge that decides this here. so still a lot of questions about the exact involvement of carter page, how close he was to the inside of the trump campaign but it doesn t necessarily matter because he was an adviser to this president. we heard him say it right there. so if he was sort of number one or number ten, sort of irrelevant at this point, i think. jeff, nia, laura, adam and manu, i appreciate it. we have more on the russia investigation heating up again tonight. sean spicer made a few blunders at white house press secretary but this one is big. how he s facing the fallout from the shocking hitler comparison. you don t let anything we believe in real food. whole foods market. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, isn t it time to let the real you shine through? 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you know, i really don t think so. jeff, i was just watching that excuse me, i was just watching jeff saying it doesn t really matter if carter page was the tenth adviser or third down. he wasn t close to it. that is guy that never went to the headquarters. he did not have a pass to go to the headquarters. he had never met donald trump. nor had he met people like jason miller and those of us in the communications side. he did not know the strategy people. and so, for the fbi to even be investigating him is odd to me but i can tell you in terms of his proximity to donald trump or his proximity to the decision makers or the inner circle, there was absolutely none. david, does that matter, whether he met someone or not, or because the president did mention him? yeah. look. at that point in time, as jeff pointed out in the last segment, i think president trump then candidate trump was throwing out names. he had an assortment of people in there who really are not key figures and someone he didn t name, same clovis and the fact that carter page on the radar, the fact that carter page continues to come up, i do think that this is something that the administration they have to have a better way of explaining what the contacts were all about. as we move forward and shift away from maybe the syria story and back toward this investigation in the coming weeks. david, quickly, again, the president and the white house throw up a smoke screen with the issue of unmasking and susan rice? our reporting is she did nothing wrong and at least now from the reporting there s there was nothing illegal about it. no illegal activity here. did that smoke screen work do you think? two things, don. with regard to ambassador rice, she gave that interview to andrea mitchell last week. she didn t stutter or hesitate. she said i leaked nothing to no one acting as national security adviser for a sitting president to look at that material and at least internally have some of that as i understand it but that those names unmasked i will say, obviously, there are going to be people who don t believe ambassador rice. i don t think there s any way to interpret her response a second guessing on her part. and, don, this idea that, look, whatever else happened, the four tweets that president trump sent five or six saturdays ago, doesn t seem to me that he was aiming at susan rice at that time. it was sort of like they found something to pin this broad allegation on as they dug into the material that was available. this is not a justification for the president, none of it, if it wasn t just a smoke screen. alan, we have reporting from the washington post that the administration got this fisa warrant against carter page believing he was acting as an agent of a foreign government, russia. what is your reaction? it is easy to get an fisa warrant. they accept almost every request and the presumption of innocence not just in the courtroom but the court of public opinion. each party prepared to forget the presumption of innocence when they accuse the other party and then somebody on their side accused they suddenly, oh my god, presumption of innocence. let s keep it for both parties. we have a little bit of smoke but certainly nothing coming close to a fire. we also know that michael flynn had to retroactively declare himself an agent of a foreign government, turkey, during the campaign. what was going on with the campaign that they had people working for president trump but also for foreign countries? i think part of what was going on is frankly, that the best brains and most experienced veterans, seasoned foreign policy heads of the republican party refusing to work for president trump. and i think part of the problem the administration has is drip, drip, drip. right? michael flynn. you have carter page. you have got paul manafort. maybe, maybe, maybe. you know? at the beginning they hadn t stood there on the podium saying to us paul manafort, who? we know that he s the campaign manager. ran the republican convention. maybe then we could, you know, this idea that carter page, who would be believable. the story is too overused, too old, too stale. april, how do you expect the white house to handle the developments? secretary tillerson is in moscow as we speak. well, they re going to have to go step by step as everything seems to be going step by step. i want to go back to something and this is kind of poignant and pulls in also from the issue of susan rice into today. i talked to former homeland security head jay johnson and said it s typical trying to find intelligence. and he stands by susan rice for one. but when you go into the new age, this trump era, just within 82 days, they are playing defense, they re trying to, again, look like the fine-tuned machine that the president said that this administration was during the first press conference. but at the same time, they re on the defense. but they have to answer these questions, again, focusing back on russia. it s not smoke and mirrors anymore. everything is in the open and we are seeing when s going on. i don t think so anymore. i think that the break between russia and the united states caused by syria is going to make this story go away. what people were afraid of is president trump may be beholden to russia. he s demonstrated that is not the case and an old story. not a current or future story. you don t think that no, no, in. hold on. hold on. april first. go ahead, april. because of the elections. i believe this story will not go away because of the ramifications of what could have happened in or what is thought to have happened in this past presidential election and what it could lead to in the next elections to come. 2018 and 2020. so there are very serious issues on table. it is not going away. nia, button this up for us, please. won t go away because there are investigations going on right now. there s a senate intelligence committee investigation. the house and the fbi. so as a story, and as a sort of news topic, perhaps it will come and go. but as an investigation, it will go on until they reach any sort of conclusion. i have to go. i have to go. i have to take a break. sorry about that. we ll continue to discuss russia and we ll talk about sean spicer s blunder today and apology. april was in the briefing room when it happened. we ll be right back. i was thinking around 70. to and before that?re? you mean after that? no, i m talking before that. do you have things you want to do before you retire? i d really like to run with the bulls. wow. hope you re fast. i am. get a portfolio that works for you now and as your needs change with investment management services. i didn t do it. match did it! check out new missed connections on match. start for free today! reaction is going to be unbelievable. april, you were there in the room. big backlash for the comments of sean spicer comparing hitler and assad. let s listen to the full clip. first he makes a statement and then he tries to clarify it. we didn t use chemical weapons in world war ii. you know? you had a you know, someone as despicable as hitler who didn t even sink to the level of using chemical weapons. so you have to if you re russia, is this a country and regime to align yourself with. quote, hitler didn t sink to the level of using chemical weapons. what did you mean by that? i think when you come to sarin gas, he was not using the gas on his own people the same way that assad is doing. i mean, there s clearly i understand your point. thank you. i thank you. i appreciate that. there was not in the he brought them into the holocaust center. i understand that. i m saying in the way assad used them going into towns, dropped them down to innocent into the middle of towns. you were in the room. what was your reaction? i was actually writing and i was listening, and when he started making the statements, i was it was it was an impacting statement. something that you re not he touched a third rail. and i quickly lifted my head and i heard audible gasps in the room. i heard people saying things and turning and looking. people were very upset, particularly many of the jewish american reporters that were in the room. it was it was not a shining moment for him to make that statement. you never compare hitler with anyone. you don t even bring hitler up. it was a very bad moment. nia, holocaust centers. it was you know? yeah. no. i never, ever heard that phrase i guess in that particular moment he meant gas chambers. what i was looking at sean spicer up there and we know sean spicer, obviously. he is in the job now 82 days now. and you could tell that he was getting into territory and comparisons that might not exactly be helpful and you can sort of see in the room there, april was obviously there, seems like the reporters trying to help him out to get to a place where he can clarify and make good and make some sense with this statement. but he he was never really able to do that and released the third statement. let me read that statement. didn t help either. he said i in no way trying to lessen the horrendous nature of the holocaust. i was trying to draw a distinct of a tactic of using airplanes to drop chemical weapons on population centers. any attack on innocent people is reprehensible and inexcusable. anna, as mistakes go, i mean, this was a pretty big one. so much so that sean spicer i think the word you re looking for is huge. yeah. he apologized to wolf blitzer. here it is. i was obviously trying to make a point about the heinous acts of assad against his own people last week using chemical weapons and gas. and, frankly, i mistakenly used an inappropriate and insensitive reference to the holocaust and there is no comparison. and for that, i apologize. it was a mistake to do that. so he s add an adversarial relationship since he s been in that role. and usually he goes on fox news and friendly territory. and this time cnn with a reporter who with an anchor who has connections to the holocaust. is this a big enough blunder for that? why did he have to go with wolf blitzer? i m glad he did and says something not going to fox news. let me say this. i knew sean spicer before he overdosed on orange kool-aid and he is not an anti-semite. he is not a bad guy. he is a decent guy who is trying to do his job. i don t think it s said with malicious intent. he is not a holocaust denier. that being said, you never, ever make comparisons with hitler or rape. not in politics or anywhere or on tv. i think sean realizes he made a very big mistake. the problem sean has is he s been on the job 82 days and it s about time he starts getting his footing. i think he s, you know, developed an adversarial relationship with the press. he s become a running joke on late-night comedy shows. that is a problem for the white house press secretary who speaks on behalf of an administration and who s supposed to have a level of credibility. and let me tell you, i think april ryan, man, girl, you should have been shaking your head at this point. okay. listen. anna alan is biding his time and i want your perspective on this. steven goldstein, executive director of the anne frank center issued this statement. sean spicer engaged in holocaust denial. the most offensive form of fake news imaginable. spicer s statement is the most evil slur upon a group of people we have ever heard from a white house press secretary. do you think he was engaging in holocaust denial? no. of course, what this guy who claims to be the head of the frank center who s a total phony, no such thing, it s a minor institution, no credibility. within the jewish community. he s constantly trying to get headlines overblowing everything. what happened here is the guy screwed up. he apologized. apologized from his heart. i m prepared to give a pass on this. i ll tell you who i m not prepared to give a pass on this, the democratic national committee, that is immediately decided to politicize this and send out media tweet saying we can t tolerate anti-semitism. this is the democratic national chairman and keith ellenson who didn t let me finish. who didn t recognize the fact he was working for an anti-semite, farrakhan. this is hypocrisy. very emotional to you because when there s an issue and poll politics you bring that up and threatened to you said you were going to leave the democratic party. i would have. if they elected keith. that s right. i understand. maybe they have issues and this is something different. ought not to be politicized. it was a mistake. you don t make analogies to hitler. profusely apologized and let s not let the anne frank people take advantage of this. let s understand that it was it s a mistake. apologized and let s move on. okay. hang on. shouldn t the person when s speaking for the highest person in the land have a grasp of history? of course. everyone makes mistakes and i have heard people make excuses. yes, we all do. not everybody is speaking for the president of the united states. i agree but let s remember, too, this is one of the rare occasions anybody in the trump administration made a full throated, complete apology. let s praise that when it happens to encourage it more and more. go ahead, jack. is this a liability for that s not true. that s not true. it is not. ben carson made an apology for something, too. those of us who have known sean for many, many years know there s not an anti-semitic bone in his body. he s a decent, honorable guy in an extremely difficult job. how would you like two-hour pop quiz every single day with a bunch of people who say, i gotcha you on the slightest mistake and not saying that s this case and anything he slips on, he s got to walk on a tightrope every single day. but those of us know him know that it was an aberration. this is not there s no intent here. he wasn t trying to be clever, trying to be sarcastic. i think that, jack, people are not i don t think that people are saying that. that sean spicer is an anti-semite but the deflection and the lack of grasp on basic history. after all, i think most people in the even a grade schooler can tell you about the holocaust and say it was gas chambers. sure. which is a chemical weapon. and if you re the person, again, when s speaking from the podium in the white house briefing room, and you say that hitler didn t gas people or use chemical weapons, that is just that s a complete blunder and listen. well okay. he apologized but still you cannot say that this was not a blunder. of course it was a blunder. it was a blunder an i m giving all that. i would say as i listen to it, my interpretation, and i would i agree with all of the above, by the way. well, he said didn t use chemical weapons in that manner meaning use it in barrel bombs or, you know, whatever from the sky. and, you know, it was a stupid thing to say and everybody acknowledged that and if he had tried to defend the statement or you know now you re sitting trying to defend the indefensible. but now you re trying to defend it, jack. no. i m saying that i agree with the no. i m saying that i agree with the above. if i was going to defend it, that s what i would have said. to me, i understand for perhaps what he was trying to get to. and, you know listen. but, jack, he doesn t understand what he s trying to get to. he s saying there s no excuse for what he said. go ahead, david. congressman, i too want to say that i think sean spicer deserves credit for coming out before the cameras and apologizing. right away today. and it seemed sincere and full throated. that being said, though, congressman kingston, you were talking about this idea that he s got a tough job and he s getting his footing and how would people like to go out there. he knew what he signed up for when he became the press secretary for president trump. exactly. president trump is a shoot from the hip guy and sean spicer knew full well what they were getting into. and you know what? they have a war of words between us and the russians. and he let his rhetoric get ahead of what s going on in the world which is not and the democrats criticize him response to the question. let the democrats criticize him for making a mistake. but this is a democrats criticizing. i m criticizing him for the way can i why does it have to be political? everybody, one at a time. april, go ahead. okay. why does this have to be political? as someone who sits in that room exactly right. asks sean questions and i have known him for a while, he was given a question and he stepped in to his own hole. right. no one gave him that hole. he stepped in more than a hell of a lot more than a hole. not what the democrats accused him of. they said we don t tolerate a but this is not can we no. people aren t taking a partisan tone on the panel, alan. you re doing that. i m doing that because april s talking about the press people in the room and how the country has right. i m talking about i m just talking i m just trying to get to the issue of what happened in that room. i m not bringing politics in it. i m talking about this statement happened during passover. a holy time for a community that was the butt of an atrocity. a community, 6 million people. this is it s not about politics but people who were hurt. okay. let s say it s not about politics, anna. let s say that s april. above politics but you re not this is april. i m sorry. i m sorry. i can t see who s talking. not all colored girls are the same, jack. i m sorry. they re both wearing yellow. quickly. here s the point. you might not be criticizing him because you re a democrat. you re criticizing him because you don t like trump. i never said i was a democrat or a republican. you don t know my politics. she is a journalist. i got to run. i got to run. let me say this. i got to run. i m a democrat. i have to run. he just went to a whole another i m a democrat because i m black? no. no, no. you re a democrat because he thinks you re me. that s the problem. i tried, producer. jack, quit while you re behind. let s just not politicize the holocaust on either side. don, will you wrap this? alan, i understand what you re saying. no one should be politicizing this but when i heard this today, i thought about all of my jewish friends like you and i was i shouldn t say i was offended but it was hurtful. especially to have someone apologized. seeing wolf interviewing him, i had to congratulate him on wolf s show and he did a good job. absolutely. giving an apology, accept it. but but criticize. know what you re doing when you re the white house press secretary. thank you, everyone. thank you. we ll be right back. let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let s talk asset allocation. -sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. i m actually a deejay. -[ laughing ] no way! -that really is you? if they re not a cfp pro, you just don t know. cfp. work with the highest standard. listen up, heart disease.) you too, unnecessary er visits. and hey, unmanaged depression, don t get too comfortable. we re talking to you, cost inefficiencies and data without insights. and fragmented care- stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. for those who won t rest until the world is healthier, neither will we. optum. how well gets done. like @pigskinsusan15, who writes, now my boyfriend wants to talk on sundays. just so many words. your boyfriend s got it bad. maybe think about being single until the start of the season. pg&e learned a tragic lesson we can never forget. this gas pipeline ruptured in san bruno. the explosion and fire killed eight people. pg&e was convicted of six felony charges including five violations of the u.s. pipeline safety act and obstructing an ntsb investigation. pg&e was fined, placed under an outside monitor, given five years of probation, and required to perform 10,000 hours of community service. we are deeply sorry. we failed our customers in san bruno. while an apology alone will never be enough, actions can make pg&e safer. and that s why we ve replaced hundreds of miles of gas pipeline, adopted new leak detection technology that is one-thousand times more sensitive, and built a state-of-the-art gas operations center. we can never forget what happened in san bruno. that s why we re working every day to make pg&e the safest energy company in the nation. we re back now and sources are telling cnn that there s no evidence that susan rice broke the law by requesting the unmasking of u.s. individuals identities. let s discuss now. a host of gps here on cnn. before we start discussing that can we talk about sean spicer and the hitler comparison today? you had you have a you think you know the reason why? it s not that the reason i think sean spicer made a mistake. it was absolutely clear as he said it. it was a foolish thing to have said. he tried to deflect it and defend it and realized it was too stupid to defend. but what does this come out of? this comes out of the fact that sean spicer has to spend two hours every day defending the series of outlandish accusations, crazy talk, lies that the president has been putting forward for, you know, for the 75 days that he s been president. everything that, you know, the president says, sean spicer has to find some justification, some rationale and the orders he s been given are it s that old intelligence line, deny, everything, admit nothing and counter punch. that s the atmosphere in which he s been told, attack attack, attack, get them on the defensive. in that contest you could tell he was clearly just making things up as he was going along to make his point in a white house in which quite frankly facts don t matter. and if he didn t have to worry about all that and deflecting, he could be clear minded about what the actual truth is and what the policy is coming from the white house and they would all be in one word. but if he worked for a president who made it very clear, if you get something factually wrong, if you tell something that s untrue, i will be mad as hell, i don t think spa sean spicer would have done this. i don t think he works for that president. i want to get your reaction talking about the infighting between steve bannon and jared kushner. he says i like steve but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. i had already beaten all the senators and the governors an i didn t know steve. i m my own stat gist and it wasn t like i was going to change strategies. steve is a good guy but i told them to straighten it out or i will. is he throwing bannon under the bus there? it certainly sounds like this. i have never seen anything like this. an add min where the president of the united states reveals his white house personal strategy to the new york post. you couldn t make this up. you think he s on the outs? i think bannon is clearly on the outs. especially if you re dealing with a clannish real estate mogul whose family is everything, don t mess with the family. he should have watched the so pranos or something. there are obvious places not to go. ivanka trump is the blue eyed daughter and jared kushner is her husband. there are two definite clan with a c not clan with a k. there are different meanings. so this is about bloomberg reporting that tillerson asked foreign minister why should u.s. taxpayers being interested in eucaine. ukraine? i don t think u.s. taxpayers have it but i think u.s. taxpayers have to be led by leaders. you could have made that argument throughout the cold war. why is the united states defending europe? why is the united states defending all these countries around the world? you need leadership. leaders that explain to americans that part of what the united states has done ever since the 1940s is try to construct a peaceful world order in which the united states can survive, where trade thrives, u.s. economy grows. it is something that presidents from roes veosevelt have explaio the american people and they ve supported and gone on with it for decades. but if leaders start questioning the value of this and start saying maybe america needs to be isolationists, maybe america needs to narrow itself, yeah, americans on foreign policy i find follow the lead of the president, the secretary of state. they don t lead. they understand it s a complicated world. if you tell them this is important, i mean, people say americans don t have stamina because we re kind of a fickle democracy. we have been on the banks of the rufr defending germany for eight decades. weave been in korea, in japan. americans are willing to do this but you have to be led. is it some sort of justification about whether they re hey, let s just give ukraine to russia i hope not because that would be a terrible bargain. ukraine is the center piece of keeping europe united. ukraine is not that important as ukraine. what s important here is that western countries have made a commitment that on their borders you cannot have a land grab like this. that really does remind one of the 30s and of hitler. that is you know, somebody going in, snatching a piece of another country without any justification, europe has stood up to that, the u.s. has stood up to that. they ve president sanctions in place to really start weakening that. really questions the unity of the west. it would be a foolish thing for tillerson to have said. thank you, fareed. we ll be right back. you re in the match app. now tap on the new missed connections feature. it says i ve crossed paths with kate six times this week. that is a lot of times. she s cute too! yea! how did i miss her? 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. about how. these women in new delhi demonstrating against discrimination and sexual violence. the. philippine president marjorie go to temp table with a bunch of protests in manila activists that branding him a much a fascist for his treatment of women. to have a leader of the country leave in this manner that says that somehow here early on by women sexy as they call it might be to use that not much new stuff and it s not how we remember what see when we re not people i mean that discrimination against women you know so we can deal with that right that s the only way there is to go. that route so taken up in pakistan to violence against women the focus here will be mob today and i said they all resistance to all that you know seeing that is a lot to get it appeared after the french finance minister apparently grabbed a journalist underwear her underwear when she bent down to retrieve a pen and later we saw. or out your pig it pointed the finger right back at the harassers and in summer of twenty seventeen in india a woman was chased on her way home a politician said it was her own fault she was roaming the streets late at night the result the hash tag no cinderella and months later of course women came forward with tales of decades of abuse at the hands of hollywood producer harvey weinstein me too went viral after actress alyssa milano asked women to help highlight the magnitude of the problem and it has of course been followed up by time s up used to tell the world things have got to change. now one of the first women to come forward and accuse harvey weinstein was asia argento an italian actor model implications as well negative for so the fact that more people are listening and more people are speaking out is definitely something incredible powerful and important but at the same time it just shows that for so many years indicates women have tried to speak out but the mechanisms of oppression of silencing women so effective that no woman went to her and they were not believed in extent as we know so they did have a voice they didn t have a platform. gloria you have also referred to that you in fact in you signed this letter saying that the movement has simply gone too far can you explain that rationale and what do you think the risk is well and first of all i mean now it took on an international basis i signed a letter which came from the friends situation in france is it me to movement was called launch you a peek and i just couldn t i mean yes it was horrible i mean if it means that you mean you a pig is is that all men are not peace and. is well i mean i m against the sort of the war in between women and men or whatever six it means i mean we should be careful not to condemn everybody and not to victimize too much right guys i m ok that was the movement it s ok i mean no problem and it s a well done seeing but as an artist is well i have some problems for i mean nowadays i mean you couldn t show a painting of cool big the origin of the world anymore you could i mean now you kick taking down a museum s a painting of but who s been now and. is going to let me not have ever i had a host of other issues but if we can just stick to the the one specifically of sexual harassment and i think what i m hearing from what you re saying is you know you re highlighting the fact that people are accused perhaps without due process and christine i d like to get your thought on that. how can you have a system where women can voice concerns ken ken as. horrible things that have happened to them in many cases while also having this to process because what we re seeing now here is you know many men have have been dismissed from their jobs simply because they have been accused. so first of all ron the. problem that people keep saying that we have a problem with false accusations that is one of those tactics to. to. to stop the focus on the real issue here because those are false accusations on this topic that just as low as high as we have with other crimes and this is the statistics so i guess i m kind of tired of these conversations because we re having a system we have we have a problem of powa structures and we have to understand how it works and how it impacts society we have to look at how society has been built and who has filtered and with what mechanisms and for example the justice system is part of germany we paint a lot and we did lots of activists with all the law and sexual violence in germany and rape was changed two years ago but there s still so many flaws in so many parts of society and the fact that if you look at the figures it s only a very tiny seeing addicted to. actually get prosecuted in germany and that s not acceptable so there s still so much work to be done as you re highlighting there and gloria i d like to ask you you know you highlighted what you think are some of the problems specifically with with the french movement and i m wondering what you think should be done to improve power and balance generally speaking on the basis of gender. well first of all i mean i m against rape and all violence against women that s true i mean one s issues people persecuted by the political institutions and say look that s for clear but i mean remember simone de beauvoir she told us i mean like in america where all started i mean it s sure there is a more public and white. impression of men and women being against one of each as a i mean there s a graze on somehow you know which i mean when you when you go into sexual relationships it s very complicated you know it what time something starts against the woman or floor woman and then women are as well sometimes aggressive. trying to get to men i mean so you know i mean that some saying we should always take care of and not try to be to get on in war i mean what i want to is i think we should try to be have a friendship with men be kind to each other and this is a it s because i mean it s a problem of education right right so you say it s a problem education some people would say that there has heretofore been very little recourse for women who feel that that has crossed the line and fast and i want to thank you so much to both of you this evening for sharing these views it s important to have these conversations as much as we might disagree laurie friedman a sculptor who signed this controversial letter as we mentioned from actress catherine deneuve criticizing the me to movement and also joining us here on the set we had christina let s fact co-founder of the center for feminist foreign policy we appreciate it. now which country can dance away with the prize for women s equality could it be perhaps germany we have a quiz that might make you think twice keep it here. to syria now where an aid convoy bound for the besieged rebel held on klav of eastern has been postponed as fighting in the area intensifies syrian government forces have seized half of the territory held by rebels in the damascus suburbs the last opposition stronghold close to the capital around four hundred thousand people are believed to be trapped in the area the u.n. has urged all parties to abide by a cease fire in order to deliver aid and evacuate the wounded. but just as one convoy is blocked a different kind of convoy has reached its destination in the region a convoy of women from all over the world has rallied in the city of a tie on the turkey syria border to raise awareness of the plight of syria and women the international convoy has converged on that city after a two day journey from istanbul they are calling for the release of more than six and a half thousand women being held in prison after seven years of civil war. and for more we re joined now by seward dermis human rights lawyer and a spokesperson for the convoy of conscious that is known there in turkey thank you so much for joining us to tell us a little bit more about this initiative if you can just fill us in on what you re hoping to achieve here. thanks for having me on your program well as the convoy of conscience got a group of women thousands of women across the world from all walks of life and you want to highlight the plight of syrian women who have been raped tortured and socially brutalized in regime prisons or fishel prisons and secret prisons along across syria so after day after it s read a stern new study from istanbul and anding in international women s day we are urging international community to take effective measures and to protect human. everywhere in the world and in syria we would love to hear some of their stories and why you think they might have been in present. well first of all you know that this is a human issue and human have been the biggest victims of the war throughout history they have been prison because they have women because right now assad s regime is using this woman as a victim. the assad regime is using the rape as a weapon of war against this woman and we have seen this in was nia in europe and i was inspired by a woman by russ sima she is a haas five from bosnia she is sixty two years old and she has come all this way from bosnia to join this three days convoy to show that she is in solidarity with her sisters in syria because she knows what s happening right now in syria what s happening with over seven thousand human in syria and in fact we know that the group the mothers from seventy eight s have also traveled on this convoy to to show solidarity i imagine from what you re saying there that she was part of that group it was all host of women in fact in your view do we hear and off about the plight of women in the syrian conflict and if not why do you think that is excuse me can you repeat the question please do you think that there is enough awareness about what is happening to women within syria at the moment and if there isn t enough awareness why do you think that is. there is the fact that since the syrian civil war began in two thousand and eleven human have been imprisoned human have been tortured six chill while and it has been used against them and they have been cured to it they have been made refugees and i t. be able to leave that the time is now stop this heavy in syria the time is not for a take this room and it is international rumors they and the time is not raise a very nervous stop this happening show our solidarity with the seven thousand human in syrian prisons so adama s arabic now you can stop it everybody else. we thank you so much for telling us a little bit more as we mentioned you are the spokes person for the convoy of the conscious we appreciate it. now to a political shake up here in germany the country is to get a new foreign minister after one of germany s most recognized politicians and popular ones said he would not be part of chancellor angela merkel s new coalition government and foreign ministers ignore gabriele is leaving amid rumors of a bitter old brow with the leaders of his own social democratic party. and for more let s bring in our political correspondent kate brady who joins us from our parliamentary studios to put all of this into perspective for us because kate i mean this is a pretty big deal in german politics is it isn t it what will it mean for poor foreign policy do you think. well of course any personnel changes always going to have an effect on how people deal with with the foot with the foreign minister and of course remember sigma gabriele always had a very direct approach and so be interesting to see how his successor works with his counterparts of broad and but of course germany has some challenging times ahead when it comes to the foreign ministry and in foreign policy in germany of course is growing pressure in europe for germany to take the lead with france with these projected e.u. reforms but also outside of europe there s also mounting pressure for belen to take a stronger stands for example on the syria conflict or in dealing with donald trump so that other countries really know web billon stems so let s talk a little bit about what you know how that policy could potentially shift because who is his likely successor i mean it s international women s day for example are we going to get a woman. well if you d asked me a few hours ago so i d have said that that would have still been a possibility but what we ve heard the latest here is that it will in fact be haiku mosse who is currently the german justice minister now he s been the justice minister for the last four years during this last merkel grand coalition so close he doesn t have any experience in the foreign ministry so be interesting to see what personality what traits and what style he can bring to this job but of course he is one of the big hopes in the s.p.d. so we ll have to see over this next term if first of all if this is confirmed tomorrow in the s.p.d. ministry list and then of course how he then acts as a german foreign minister just generally speaking do the s.p.d. have its house in order because i mean you know they are going to be the coalition partners here this incoming coalition has been quite a road to get a german government are things finally settled is the wrangling over well it does seem at least that they have quite a clear agenda at the moment so the s.p.d. in that grand coalition deal was allocated six ministerial positions and we already know that three of them will be given to women so this process of renewal is already starting with younger and more feminine faces. brady in our parliamentary studios thank you. and finally before we go the theme of international women s day this year has been hash tag press for progress so what do you think about women s rights well here at t w we went out to conduct a little quiz about women s rights here in germany and here is what we found. the specimen down by the foundation for fleas stood in house as a field by the new law by adding him and am i not allowed. to. present your chance nine simple not sponsored 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squeaker which side prevails. so whether it is saccone by two or conor lamb by two matters less than it is a four point margin or whatever it ends up. even if the democrats looses, if it is close, the democrats are going to claim it is a sign. difficult for them to claim it is a success story even if saccone victory. psychologically, there is a different impact especially for republican members. tomorrow morning if the republicans were to gather for their conference meeting and if they have lost this seat, there will be a different feeling inside the room about concern and panic for what november brings. the difference psychologically for republicans tomorrow morning is different than if they loose. republicans have poured a lot of money into this. yeah. through pacs and the rnc has put a million dollars into it, if they lose this seat, alarm bells going off. and more republicans deciding to call it quits and retire. saying this environment is tough for me if i am in a suburban district. and we are going to have to take a look at that. yes, the margin is really important, but also the fact of a loss will be important. and we should also say by the way, this is a seat that is going to change in like what? november. in a minute. so you know, everybody is pouring all this money into this because they understand the symbolism, the republicans would not have poured a lot of money into this nor would the democrats have they didn t understand the meeting. if they loose, they will have to figure out a new message. the message they ran was first heavily around the tax cut. in some ways it might have backfired. they started pulling the ads that were in the district. senior citizens were nervous about the tax cuts. older folks in this districts. so they are going to have to figure out what this means, also interesting to see what union members do in this district. about 80,000 union households in this district and if they vote differently than wait they voted in the past, it will be a good night for lamb. if conor lamb wins what is the message for distracts. he is a different kind of democrat, he is centrist, a veteran. he shoots guns and does a lot of things. he is built for the district which is the big lesson democrats hope other democrats get across the country. when we have a democrat with a d next to their name who fits the district that we can win. and the significant thing i think about tonight is in every one of the races that we have had this year, there have been significant gains for democrats for doug jones in the race in alabama for instance, where we saw republican women, particularly younger republican women defect and cross over for democrats. the one thing we have not seen is working class democrats and republicans who voted for trump, that group particularly the republicans move. and the only way conor lamb is close, if he is close tonight, that had to happen. there are not enough younger republicans, college educated republicans and suburban republicans in the districts. he has got to significantly move republicans who voted for trump to either stay home or they come for lamb. dsenator santorum what are yu looking for tonight? the allegheny area is going to be key. i think rick is going to do well in the out counties, the question is how much con or is going to be able to roll it up. conor lamb was the right candidate. and he didn t do it through a primary. he didn t have to face the democratic eelectrlector electo wouldn t have one the primary. if you run a bernie sanders, hillary clinton, barack obama democrat it is not close. and i am with trump on trade, and i am with him on guns and i am trump light, and remember, there are 25,000 more registered democrats in that district. and you can say they vote republican, but they nationally has left them. conor lamb has said no we haven t, here i am, you can vote for me, it is safe and that is why conor lamb is in the race. i don t think that is a message that democrats can win on across the country, because they can t win primaries. guys like lamb can t win primaries and that is the problem they have in the fall. kirsten do you agree with them. i agree with both of them. even if him saying he was personally pro-life would have killed him in his tracks. there is this debate in the democratic party saying no, we have to have people who fit the district and others saying we are not going to compromise in our core principals and i am more of the camp you have to have somebody who fits the district. still fundamentally a red district and there are 23 seats that are in moderate districts where hillary clinton had one the republicans hold and democrats are looking at those and saying, if we can win here, what can he do in a moderate district. jason, is this a referendum on president trump. not in the way the democrats like it to be. 48 hours from now, nobody is going to remember who either of these two candidates are. going back to who is being fired. nia had exactly right as far as different numbers you have to look at. nationally, and this is the biggest stat from 2016, president trump only lost union voting households 51 to 42. part of the question here is can other republicans do as well with union voting households and we will see that. the democrat in the race ran a good race and when you have these special elections and keep in mind i led the comeback come pa people get to know these candidates. at an intimate level, people are, i like that lamb guy, and the other guy has a goofy mustache. but we see it differently than the people that are there. here the president says i am going to do steel tariff, and i am going to do aluminum tariff. and both the democrat and the republican support this. and also, he is anti nancy pelosi. said he won t vote for her. right. here you have a democrat on e every sort of orthodoxy saying i am not with you on that. and if the democrats have fortitude and want to win and nominate these candidates, they can do it in these districts but i am with you, i am skeptical. when you hear republicans talking to manu saying he didn t run a good campaign. is that true, or just setting the stage for this dynamic. there were three candidates in the caucus. remember, this was a special election, there wasn t a primary and the two leading candidate, two state senators went after each other and rick came from third to win the primary. and so he was considered sort of the hard core conservative candidate, socially conservative and that was his mantra and had that base and grew it to be able to win it. you can make the argument that somebody like that doesn t win a primary. yeah, he probably wasn t our strongest candidate, i don t accept the fact that, look, this guy is a veteran, a smart guy. a state rep. a state rep, and a good communicator, and did he raise any money? 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i think it is clear that mike pompeo is on the same page philosophically with president trump. and in some sense, i think state department is actually a better fit for him because he is active, policy activist and that is a better place to be than director of cia. general clapper you continue to be outspoken about the concern for the threat that seems to continuing from russia. you know now the cia director pompeo from his days on the intel committee based on what you know now, do you believe he shares your concerns about russia? i think he probably does. he has been pretty consistent in his statements about the assessment and certainly in this congressional appearances and has pretty much reaffirmed that the russians meddled. and one thing i take issue is him saying it had no impact on the election. no way to gage that. actually stretch his logic to suggest that it didn t have impact on some voter decisions. when consider the election was settled by less than 32 states which the russians targeted. and we certainly didn t examine that in our assessment that we did in january 2017, but i think he as publicly acknowledged the threat posed by russia. russia is waging war in information realm against the united states. i would like to ask you about the woman whom president trump has tapped to be the first woman cia director, current deputy cia director. she will take over the briefings which is reportedly how president trump and mike pompeo how they bonded so well. she is controversial because of a lot of things in her past. more specifically, i want to ask you since you have worked with her and you do approve of her, how you think she is at communicating and whether or not she will be able to form that same relationship with the president. that is obviously very personal. certainly the president has seen enough of her when she filled in for director pompeo. he has confidence in her. gene is a different person than mike pompeo and it is a great thing. should be the third woman in the history of intelligence committee to head up one of the major agencies and of course the first for cia. apart from being a woman is her competence. i think she is very good. the agency rank-and-file look positively on her as director. and she will work well with dni coats. thanks very much. back with the panel. it is fascinating for a president who became known for saying you are fired to not actually fire anybody face to face. to fire his own secretary of state on twitter and for the secretary of state a guy who has been traveling all around the world for this president to discover it. the secretary of state and i thought the lack of decorum in the way it was carried out was stunning even for this administration. what i am reminded of is we all tend to fixate on so much of this change on a daily basis with the administration. and i ask about the political dynamics and whether it resonates with his base. and i am not convince it does. it didn t actually surprise me that much, look at the way he fired comey. he really rated comey. and he didn t like tillerson that much. it was rude and a bad way to do it. and even though he was crying this is fake news when this has been reported some time. it has been brewing. i was talking to a source today that the president, not only does he disagree with tillerson, but the guy doesn t treat him that well. he is rude. he may not get along with mcmaster, at least he treats him with an amount of deference. he believes that is totally gone with rex. and rex didn t show him an awful lot back. he didn t mention him in his remarks. i think that is one of the positions where that is just so untenable. you can t have on the world stage people know that the person representing the president of the united states and the country to the world has zero relationship with the president. and this was somebody that donald trump didn t know, somebody who came highly recommended from condi rice, he was the establishment pick. and now trump is saying he wants to cast another members of this second season of the trump administration. and that is what he is doing with pompeo in this new role if he gets confirmed and it is likely that he will. he is somebody who promised disruption. also, he wasn t very well liked at the state department either. and i think they are somewhat relieved to see him go, and also, i m sorry, if somebody who worked for me called me a moron and went out and didn t recant it, i would probably have fired him long before donald trump did. and he gave him an opportunity to resign and he didn t. so i wouldn t do it on a tweet, but also this is one of those cases where i feel like i kind of see where donald trump is coming from. you should be respectful to your boss. total political thing though, why today? 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democrats are going to do what they think is best to win the races. and conor lamb is talking about the issues, and talking about health care because so many people are suffering from opioid addiction and his opponent wants to talk about things on washington. you don t think nancy pelosi is a drag? conor lamb is poised to win tonight because he is focused on the issues. fighting for health care and fighting for pension security and fighting for good jobs that pay a decent wage and his opponents was supporting bills to expand outsourcing of jobs. supporting to have foreign steel be used to build buildings. and conor lamb has been standing up to the issues that matter most to people and that is why we are winning. throwing it to wolf blitzer. key race. barely 1% of the votes are in. and conor lamb is in 52% to rick saccone. he is ahead 452 votes to 411 votes. these are the first votes that are coming in. we expect the trickle to explode soon. let s go to john king at the magic wall. still very, very early. but lamb has at least at this point a slight lead. if you are in the lamb campaign, this is 1st precinct, and fewer than 500 votes. this slice up here is in the district. and conor lamb has to keep it blue and keep it blue all night. 1st precinct in, you are happy in the lamb campaign. 40% of the districts here, 20 plus here. 20 plus here. and if this is blue at the end of the night, this is a blowout. when you get out here in the rural areas this is reliably red republican countries. if that stays blue, we have a blowout. but very early. just getting started here. when the votes start to come in, the pace starts to pick up. green county, that county is on the border with west virginia and helps explain why it is more conservative than the rest of the state. again, very, very early. but conor lamb is leading here and i will bet you a couple of dollars that doesn t last down there. this is where we are in the house race right now. i want to take this off and go back in time to the presidential race in this district. again, donald trump won huge down here in this county. huge. it is a small county and not a lot of votes. but runs it up huge here. and this was the most interesting part of the district. hillary clinton won allegheny county by 16 points. but in this slice, this is a suburban a suburban area and donald trump narrowly beat her. this is key tonight. this is where you have the most democrats and most people. those are the voters who left the president of the united states. as we watch these numbers again, still stuck on this one p1st prt and it is down here. he is off to the right start and a long way to go. let s go back to the 18th congressional district as a whole. rick saccone takes a slight lead. you can see what is going on and 14 votes he is ahead. what happened? more precincts came down here in green county. and this is a reliable republican area. and as i predicted it switched back. i assume this one is going to stay red as we go through it. the key is up here. conor lamb ahead if the math is right there, yeah, some more votes came in here in the allegheny county area. flip, there we go. the results coming in a lot more quickly. a lot more coming up. and live to the candidate headquarters in pennsylvania as more votes come in. republicans in trump country, they are trying to hold off a wave of enthusiasm from a fired up democratic base and right now democrat in a slight lead. there are two types of people in the world. those who fear the future. and those who embrace it. the future is for the unafraid. the future is for the unafraid. 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reporter: well a few cheers when you saw some of those early numbers go up at the lamb campai campai campaign headquarters. if they are able to pull off an upset here tonight, they are going to owe a great deal of gratitude to the labor community. a great deal of outreach to try to reach out to members of the labor community, especially the builders, the traders, steelworkers. and also the outreach in the more rural part of the districts as well and so one of the goals early on in the campaign was just to get within the margin of error with rick saccone. they feel so far they have been able to accomplish that. but a lot of crossed fingers in the room tonight. thanks. let s go to alex marquardt. reporter: a lot less muted. we saw the chairman of the allegheny republican party to try to rile up the crowd. in addition to those votes that you have seen, we have heard of the turnouts of allegheny county. we are told that it is high. long lines and they are going to let anybody who was in line at 8:00 p.m. when the polls close continue to vote. as for the mood at the saccone campaign. a long time friend said she was anxious to see numbers. and they say they feel good but that is anecdotal. they don t have new mexicos. anybody who might have data like the nrcc they are calling here asking for information. this is a very bare bones campaign, for sacco . thanks very much. 8% of the vote is now in. 2,000 votes ahead. c conor lamb. you ve been looking closely where the numbers are coming in. what are you seeing? when you look at the precincts that are in, conor lamb is running ahead of where he is. but as john pointed out, you ve got a lot of these coming from allegheny, but i think they re coming from a part of allegheny where what conor lamb is doing is pretty impressive. in green county he s right with the gop on this. he s really way ahead of where i think he should be. again, the early precincts, but right now it looks like it s going well for conor lamb. you ran in these precincts approxima? yeah. i m not looking as closely as joe s but what i would say is that those numbers and they re primarily allegheny county numbers, that s pretty much where he needs to be. if they re from the western part of the district, western part of allegheny county, those will be great numbers. i don t think he ll get those numbers from there. it all sort of depends. if they re more south, those are good numbers, but saccone is still in the ball game. 10% of the vote in. lamb 2,400 votes ahead. we saw president trump go there this past weekend. made kind of a rousing speech, a lot of it off the teleprompter for the candidate and for himself. do we know yet if president trump can drive voters to the poll fist it s not president trump being voted on? i think to reorient the question, i think you re kind of asking the wrong thing. when the president or when people actually get involved, because so much of this race was determined before the president got involved. conor lamb did a really good job of raising money early, of defining the race. he got out there and presented this image. is that a wise thing? if that s true, shouldn t the president get involved earlier? he s got to get out there and support republicans, but the problem with rick saccone, you can t wait until the 11th hour to become a trump. if you want to get the independents, you need to get out there and do it. voters can figure out who is real and who is fake. the president got out there and supported him. saccone brags he was trump before trump. i don t see him having been reluctant. look at his fundraising. he was outraised 5-1 on fundraising approxima fundraising. but he s not a candidate that was late to the trump train. he s a trumpy candidate. he came across as establishment and i think that was part of the problem. how? he s in the statehouse. he doesn t come across so he had elective office. no he sounds he s a part of washington. when you flip on the tv and see commercials, a lot of it looks really cookie cutter. in alabama what happened is the president with luther strange, roy moore wins, the president kind of isn t sure what he s going to do. then he decides he s for him. but he came to tuscaloosa i think it was. excuse me, pensacola. when he did, roy moore went up by four points the intensity on the republican side went up and it served roy moore. so you say no doubt he can drive votes. yeah. the thing that i worried about is he came in on friday, you know, on saturday moore was up by three. on sunday he was up by two. on tuesday we win by 23,000 votes. what happens if the president came in on sunday? but he came in saturday in this one. and the margin may have been we don t know what the margin was. the president does energize voters and does move voters, even for somebody who he wasn t was he really for moore? he was for saccone and saccone was for trump and i disagree with you, jason. rick saccone is a conservative ti. he was running for the senate before he decided to switch and run for congress. he was running as the most conservative for the united states senate. i don t think there s any question rick saccone ran with trump, ran as a conservative and was very vocal. he didn t have a lot of money so he couldn t get the money out. the republican party was late to the taeble about defining him. conor had done a great job insulating himself. he s a marine. he s good-looking. he s got a great family name. he says i m catholic. he says all the right things. the social conservative sort of things. talk about climate change in a coal area and a gas area. he ran the district and was the right candidate for them to run and i keep coming back to the fact 25,000 more registered democrats, you can say it s a republican area, yes it votes republican in national elections and yes it voted for tim murphy for all those years. there s still democrats down there and he is a democrat they can vote for. a democrat to vote for republicans though. it s misleading i think to say that. because the last time there was a democrat in that seat was 15 years ago or something. i mean, it s not you can t really compare those things. this wasn t even on the radar for the democratic party. this was not a place they even saw as being in play. we ve got to take a quick break. we re tracking the votes in pennsylvania. conor lamb with his largest lead yet. 13% of the votes in. we ll check with john king when we come back. next chapter your new brother-in-law. you like him. he s one of those guys who always smells good. his 5 o clock shadow is always at 5 o clock. you like him. your mom says he s done really well for himself. he has stocks and bonds your dad wants to go fishing with him. your dad doesn t even like fishing. you like your brother-in-law. but you d like him better if you made more money than he does. don t get mad at your brother-in-law. get e trade directv now gives you more for your thing. your letting go thing. your sorry not sorry thing. your out with the old in with the new, onto bigger and better thing. get the live tv you love. no bulky hardware. no satellite. no annual contract. try directv now for $10/mo for 3 months. more for your thing. that s our thing. visit directvnow dot com we re also leading water projects in more than 100 communities. and for every drop we use. we re working to give one back. because our products rely on the same thing as we all do. clean water. and we care about it like our business depends on it. your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands. commanded armies. yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 5 times more detail than other dna tests. order your kit at ancestrydna.com now with 5 no one burns on detailheartburn.r dnmy watch! try alka seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. with more acid-fighting power than tums chewy bites. mmmmm.amazing. i have heartburn.
both sides and the president s side, the special counsel side had a face-to-face meeting last week. a rare face-to-face meeting after weeks of informal discussions and we re told by a source familiar myself, my colleague that robert mueller s team provided more granularity on the topics they would like to discuss with the president in a possible interview under the umbrella of the firing of james comey as well as the firing of the former national security adviser michael flynn. the specifics include the attorney general jeff sessions role in the firing of james comey as well as what the president knew about his national security adviser michael flynn and his conversation he had had with former russian ambassador sergei kizlyback about the actions. there is possible collusion, possible obstruction of justice and what the president knew. i m told by a source familiar that legal team has taking the topics and created questions possible questions that could be asked in an interview on a memo. but i m told by another source, don that, the president is now vacillating on whether he wants to do an interview with robert mueller s team. he said that he wants to sit down with him under oath but now as ate pears this russia probe continues to go on and on despite what the president has been told by his lawyers, he sort of changing his posture as we saw over the weekend with him going after robert mueller directly by name, don. pamela brown reporting from the white house. thank you very much. here to discuss all of this, our cnn political analyst and robert mueller s special assistant at the justice department and patrick heely of the new york times. so hello to all of you. michael, i want to get new first. can president trump s lawyers control the details of what the special counsel wants to talk to trump about? no. they cannot. and, in fact, i think that the washington post reporting to day that they re trying to give a narrative of the white house events in an effort to circumscribe mueller s interview is just really not probable. the reality is that mueller is going to ask the president the questions that mueller feels he needs to ask in order to determine whether or not there was any interference that was known by the president, any collusion or coordination that the president s campaign participated in and then the obstruction of justice and as we saw from the subpoenas last week, possibly financial crimes by the trump organization. and there is fno way that any self respecting prosecutor with respect the effort to circumscribe the interview. president trump said he was looking forward to speak with mueller. he was able to hold off attacking him by name. but how does this outward hostility now affect this investigation? and that is goes to his mindset. and he believes he s above the law then if he thinks he doesn t have to answer. he believes that he has for decades has seen himself as someone who has been unfairly targeted either by the media, by enemies in court. this is his mindset. and that if you have, you know, if you have good lawyers, if you have a good team, you can, you know, you can avoid essentially having to answer those questions. what do you call that? do you call that dilutional , hw you would think it s a witchunt? how would he think that people are out to get him if you not necessarily in this but if he has laus lawsuits and didn t pay people or did something wrong, how is that a witch hunt? it is trump s way of branding the enemy. he s done that in the political sphere when he brands marco rubio as little marco or bob corker. so i think that has been his legal strategy. it is his pr strategy at this point as well. he wants to prejudge this, prejudge this for the public so that whatever bob mueller come out with they are prepared at least if you re a republican or at least if you re inclined to like donald trump, then you would go along with this story of that he s painting. it also, i think to patrick s point, is on brand in terms of trump is always the embattled one. he embattled against even people in his own administration, people that he s ain t pod. people who are republicans. he s forever the outcider. that is paranoia, naea. listen, i m not a psychiatrist. i don t play one on tv either. you know, those are your words. but there is you don t have to see that someone is paranoid, you don t have to be a psychiatrist. right. there is certainly i mean he has, i think, believed as patrick said that people are out to get him because he is, you know, he imagines himself as this great man and this big target. if you re a great man in a big target, then guess what? at least in his mind then folks want to take him down or after him. again, just what i said before. so i have to ask you this. this is according to the washington post, president trump s legal team shared documents because they re worried for his pension for making erroneous claims would be vulnerable in an hour s long interview. that is a serious concern, don t you think? it is. if you look at what this investigation has brought so far, the guilty pleas have been about what? perjury. making false statements to investigators. you think about rick gates and then if you even go back to president clinton. what was president clinton impeached for? what were the charges? at least partly it was lying under oath about sex can monica lewinsky. so that s what this team around donald trump is looking at and also his very well known pension for making stuff up, making erroneous claims. some say outright lying. so that is why you see this team trying to circumscribe and put guardrails up on what he s going to be saying under oath for fear of that he would break into that pattern he often has of just make things up. you re much kinder than i am. with your phrasing and your words. and not just saying lying. so listen, michael, investigators have told the president s lawyers that when it comes to questions about michael flynn and james comey, the questions mueller have for president trump are about what did he do? and what was he thinking when he did it? let s remember what the president said in his own words. there is about firing comey. let s watch this. in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i seld, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. it s an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. so whether it comes to michael flynn and his previously undisclosed meeting with the russian ambassador, the president said i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. he plead guilty to those lies. it is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. there was nothing to hide. how damaging, michael, will these past comments be? well, i think that what will be the most damaging is if the president repeats under oath stories that mueller does not believe to be true. so all of these tweets now may be fodder for the interview but really it is the under oath interview that matters most in terms of president trump s legal jeopardy. what we have now, don, is a series of acts. the firing of comey, the hostile workforce with mccabe, the stand down, communications with comey vis-a-vis flynn, the loyalty, all those things are little pieces that mueller has to look at in terms of an obstruction of justice mosaic. when you add on to it any lies under oath, then i think that clearly tips the scales as nia reported with respect to an obstruction of justice finding or an abuse of office impeachable offense. so that s what the lawyers are most concerned about. the adding of those little pieces of mosaic plus the lie equalling obstruction or abuse of power and they re going to do everything they can to protect the president. but in the end, the power of the grand jury will prevail and the president will have to ask i m sorry, i can t say it in english, he ll have to answer questions he ll be asked under oath. that will determine the legal situation. it s monday. you need to warm up. by wednesday you ll be perfectly fine. thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back, 50 million facebook profiles access, data of course sesed by the firm hired by the trump campaign. i m going to talk to the person that blew the whistle on cambridge analytica. it s ok that everyone ignores me while i drive. it s fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i m accident free. and i don t share it with mom! right, mom? righttt. safe driving bonus checks. only from allstate. switching to allstate is worth it. we re drowning in information. where, in all of this, is the stuff that matters? the stakes are so high, your finances, your future. how do you solve this? you don t. you partner with a firm that advises governments and the fortune 500, and, can deliver insight person to person, on what matters to you. morgan stanley. we the people who are better together than we are alone. are unstoppable. welcome to the entirely new expedition. . tonight we re hearing from christopher wiley. in the interview you re about to watch, he tells me about his work at the company with close ties to the trump campaign, a company now accused of using the private data of tens of millions of facebook users to directly target potential american voters. how closely tied to the trump campaign is cambridge analytica? people at the highest levels and those close to the president were involved in bringing the data company onboard. the president s son-in-law and the digital campaign direct for for president trum hop is kushtly leading the reelection campaign were both involved in the hiring. cambridge analytica was run with the help of steve bannon. he was a trump campaign ceo who went on to become chief white house strategist and christopher wiley says trump campaign manager corey lewandowski was meeting with cambridge analytica even before trump announced his candidacy. so all of there is worth keeping in mind as you hear what whistle-blower christopher wiley says was happening at cambridge analytica. watch this. joining me is a former research director who blew the whistle on the firm. thank you so much for joining us. are you doing okay? thanks for having me. it s been a long day. but i m okay. you describe what you billed as psycho logical warfare. a psychological warfare weapon. something you say steve bannon wanted. the ability to play with the psychology of an entire country. how did that work? talk to us about that. yeah. so steve came to scl because he believes in something called the breitbart doctrine. in order to change politics you first have to change culture because politics is down stream from culture. and in order to fight a culture war, you need an arsenal of information weapons. and who better to go to than a company like scl which is a military contractor based in the uk to help set up those information weapons. and so what we worked on at scl and later at cambridge analytica is data harvesting programs where we pull data from users of apps and all the friend networks and run that data through algorithms that can profile the psychological attributes so we would know what information we need to feed to online platforms o to exploitmental vulnerabilities that are algorithms showed they had. this goes beyond just sort of programming advertisement toward a certain group. because you told us you can tell something about people based on things like whether they like game of thrones or country music. what can you tell? yeah. so, you know, i think it s easiest to think about when you go on a date, for example. the questions that you ask on a date, right? you ask what music do you like? what kind of movies do you watch? do you do any sports? we ask those questions because they reveal little bits about ourselves, about our personalities and who we are. cambridge analytica says none of the data was used in services to the trump campaign s that true, christopher? well, let me be clear. i didn t work on the trump campaign. i can t speak to the trump campaign. but what i do know is that this data was, you know, we spent, you know, almost a million dollars on just harvesting this data alone. and it was this data that became the foundation of the company because this is what we used to build the algorithms that then were that actually became the basis of the company itself. so the question that i would have is what happens to the foundation of your company if you didn t indeed use it on the trump campaign. what were you using then? because that was the basis of your company, right? that s how the company started. yeah. there was no data before that point. so we went from no data to harvesting all of this data off of facebook and then combining it with all this consumer data sets at the behest of steve ba bannon? yeah. the company got funded in the spring of 2014 and he wanted to be able to have functioning program in time for the mid terms. so we had sort of a steve bannon and a billionaire breathing down our necks saying where is the data? where is the algorithms and our information weapons? and that s where alex ander kogan came along from cambridge who offered the use of this app that had special permissions granted by facebook to pull data not only from the app user but from all of the friends of that user and that meant that for one user we re collecting 200, 300 friends data and that scaled really quickly. so what i m trying to say is bannon came n he wanted this information. this is you said at the behest of a millionaire which is robert mercer as well. right. breathing down your throat. and so bannon goes to work for the trump campaign. where does all this information go? it had to go somewhere. that s the basis of your company. well, yeah. i mean i don t how else did they build the algorithms then? what, you know, what did they use? yeah. so the facebook data was integral. i want to get it straight. integral to cambridge analytica, correct? yes. it was the basis of the first of algorithms that the company built. okay. listen, according to the fec reports, trump came pain paid them nearly $6 million between july 2016 and december of 2016. what did the trump campaign think cambridge could offer? what were the goal, do you know? well, very soon after i left i know that alex andander nix w going to meet with lewandowski before trump announced hes with running and when they were still working for ted cruz. i don t know why they had that meeting. you have to ask cambridge analytica they were pitching. why were they talking to donald trump before he even announced? how did they know he was run brg he even announced and what is it if it wasn t for this data and fit wasn t for the algorithms, what it is you re pitching and using? those are good questions. more about corey lewandowski in a moment. you also say cambridge analytica was testing trump s slogans in 2014, terms that seemed to let me get the question out. parted pack the deep state and build that wall. go ahead. so we were testing messages and all kinds of imagery that included, you know, images of walls, people scaling walls, you know, we tested draining the swamp. testing ideas of the deep state and the nsa watching you and the government is, you know, conspiring against you. and a lot of these narratives which at the time would have seemed, you know, crazy for a mainstream candidate to run on. those were the things that we were finding that there were pockets of americans who this really appealed to. and steve bannon knew that. we were doing the research on it. and i was surprised when i saw, you know, the trump campaign and it started talking about, you know, building walls or draining the swamp. i remember in my head, wait, we tested this. so you have to ask the company and steve bannon where they got these narratives. i know that we were testing the narratives well before trump even announced. so you said that there was a meeting between corey lewandowski before trump announced he was even running. do you know anything about that? well, i have it confirmed from, you know, cambridge analytica s lawyers in writing they had a meeting in early 2015 in the spring of 2015 before they announced. i know that which i have again documented in writing that they were talking about the algorithms that they could over and the data sets they could offer to corey lewandowski before donald trump even announced. and the bizarre thing about it is that they were already work fo working for ted cruz. what it is they were pitching? if it wasn t for these algorithms, you know, how in the span two of months did they actually build something different? listen, there is also this undercover investigation from channel 4 news in the uk. yeah. cambridge analytica, the senior executives filmed, they re saying they can entrap politicians with bribes and ukrainian sex workers. i want you to take a look at this. for example, you re saying you re using the girls to introduce to the local fellow and using girls for seduction, they re not local girls? i don t think so. it was just an idea. yes. okay. it was on holiday. they re very beautiful ukrainian girls. they are very beautiful. yes. so christopher, they say the report is edited and scripted to grossly plis represent the nature of the conversation that s took place. they say the executives entertained a series of ludicrous hypothetical scenarios and the ceo says when the reporter posing as a prospective client turned the conversation to entrapment, the executives left with grave concerns and did not meet with him again. they do not condone or engage in entrapment, bribes or honey traps nor does it use untrue material for my purpose. so my question, i see you shaking your head there and you don t believe it. the question is what does this all say about the techniques that they use? well, let me put it this way. i m probably the only gay guy in london that had a membership card to a strip club with women. meaning? meaning that this was a common technique that the company used. you know, we i would be at strip clubs all the time. i need you to be more specific. you re the only gay guy in london with a membership to a strip club. what do you mean by that? be more explicit. you know, one of the things that this company does is it will do whatever it takes to get a contract and if that means entertaining a client at a strip club with women stripping, they will do that. do you think, christopher, that the trump campaign did anything necessity farro in a nefarious or were all the bad actions by cambridge. i didn t work on the trump campaign. there is a perverse company culture inside of cambridge analytica and as the undercover shows, they re willing to go to extreme lengths to service their clients. and they ll do anything that helps. whether it s legal or not. i ve got a question for you, christopher. i need to get in a break. i m speaking now. i want to tell the audience. i m speaking to whistle-blower christopher wiley and i m going to ask him if he is a potential witness or if he s been contacted by the mueller investigation. don t go anywhere. we ll be right back. wake up early, o. slap on some cologne i m 85 and i wanna go home just got a job as a lifeguard in savannah i m 85 and i wanna go home dropping sick beats, they call me dj nana 85 and i wanna go don t get mad. get e trade, kiddo. much more now from my interview with christopher wiley who is blowing the whistle on cambridge analytica, the data firm that worked for president trump s presidential campaign. have you been contacted by the mueller investigators? not that i am aware of. although, i haven t been able to speak with my lawyer today. i can tell you did they contact you, if robert mueller or investigators contact you, will you cooperate? i m happy to chat, absolutely. this is why i m coming forward. they said they asked cambridge analytica and you to agree to an audit. have you agreed? an audit of what? what, my phone? it s not like i have a massive server farm. i m just a guy. like what do they want to audit? and why i don t understand. like what, they want to look at my phone. you know, they haven t explained to me what that is. and, you know, i don t like what is it they want to do? yeah. i don t know. i m the person coming forward. i am the one telling people that this program has happened. so i don t understand why it is that they need to do this. we agreed last week with their lawyers that we would sit down and collaborate on this. facebook is only doing something now because i am coming out and speaking out. you know, it s all so for them to turn around and try to punish me, you know, i think, i just don t think it s right. there is not how whistle-blowers should be treated. i want to get to i understand that you re very upset and rightfully so. you feel like personally you have been violated in some way or you re being punished for in no reason. i want to ask you about professor kogan that harvested this data for cambridge analytica. do you think any of the information he collected went back to russia, christopher? well, what i do know is that professor kogan who managed this data harvesting scheme of 50 million americans was going back and forth between london and working at st. petersburg and look at psychological profiling and indeed talking about the value of social data in political targeting. you know, meanwhile, as we re talking to luke oil about the same program, to me my concern is that, you know, cambridge analytica, i m not saying that it did it intentionally, but i am concerned that we made russia aware of the programs that we were working on and that might have sparked an idea that, you know, eventually led to some of the disinformation programs that we ve seen in the interference that we ve seen from russia in american elections. so for me, i m concerned about that. and if i played some kind of role in that, i feel like it is my duty to tell people about it. which is why i m talking to you. listen, there is also this reported pitch that cambridge analytica made to luke oil. you mentioned luke oil, a russian oil producer. back in 2014. how the presentation had little to do with oil consumers but had everything to do with election disruption techniques. that is according to documents you provided. why would an oil company need to be briefed on that? i don t know. ask cambridge analytica. ask luke oil. i don t know. i was just told that i needed to give a briefing on, you know, the rippon project, the data lar vesting project that we were doing. i no he that alexander nix said he sent the white paper harvesting dat y harvesting data of 50 million americans and sent it to luke oil. i don t flow if you ve seen the pitch that alexander put together for luke oil, it has nothing to do with oil. it has nothing to do with consumers and everything to do with rumor campaigns, attitudal inoculation, sewing distrust in civic institutions in nigeria, for example. and for me i just find it i don t understand why it is that alexander nix and cambridge analytica would want to pitch disinformation and rumor campaigns to luke oil as they re also telling luke oil, by the way, we have all the massive data assets at our disposal for an oil company in russia. it doesn t make sense. luke oil says that they never hired cambridge analytica but don t deny severing a presentation about the data firm s capabilities. theycy they say it was to promote the gas stations in turkey. do you think that s true? if that s true, why was he talking why did he create a pitch deck that was about setting up disinformation and rumor campaigns? i mean why is it that he sends my white paper on the data harvesting capabilities of the company and what we were doing in america if it whats to do with turkey? i don t like how does that make any sense? when you spoke to the observer, you describe yourself as a gay canadian veegian who somehow ended up creating this psychological warfare tool for steve bannon. it s the question i asked you before, do you regret what you created, what you did, christopher? yeah. absolutely. i regret it. and that s, you know, why i m coming forward. because part of i feel like, you know, in part i share a the love responsibility for setting up this company. this company that is grossly unethical, that has, you know, operated not just in america but around the world in ways that i think are, you know, morally egregious. i played a significant role in setting up that company. and i feel like it is my duty to tell people, you know, what this company does. but i can t express how much regret that i have for playing a role in setting it up. what do you think is going on whether you say you created that was the basis of the company you created, this information that this information you re talking about and disinformation, a way to disseminate disinformation and then the involvement of steve bannon who was connected with the trump campaign. there is russia s involvement. there s trump s campaign manager corey lewandowski so on and so forth. i m not saying you know anything empirically, but what do you think is going on? i i i don t know. i know i know what i know. what i know is that this is a company that was talking with russia. i no he that this was a company using a professor going back and forth to russia working on russian programs as harvesting the data of over 50 million americans. i know this is a company that works in disinformation. i no he that this is a company that willingly admits to pitching prostitutes as was revealed by channel 4 tonight. i know this is a company that was meeting with donald trump s campaign team before donald trump even announced despite the fact that they deny that. and i think that when you look at everything, a lot of questions get raised. i have a lot of those questions myself. and what i m trying to do is put out information and let you guys ask those questions and have this company answer them. do you think the information that you helped create influenced the 2016 election? i think it must have played some role. you know, i can t say for sure is this something that wanted for trump or a particular candidate. you know, it s sort of impossible to guess. but i think absolutely it played a role. thank you. cheers. when we come back, the reporter who broke wiley s story for the new york times joins me along with our reporter. i m going to ask them if they can connect the dots here and explain what wiley s information could tell us about the 2016 i election. what s with the coffee maker? 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it was the foundation of what cambridge analytica did. did the trump campaign end up with that facebook data through cambridge analytica, matthew? i think we have to understand what cambridge analytica sought to do with the data. they were trying to build models to get a sense of individual voters. so this was the first large data set they had in which they could build the models. i m sure they brought in other data sets along the way. we use this data, not that data misses the point. you re taking large amounts of data and building this analytical model and tools that you re going to use. and so to say well we didn t use this data is a seems awfully disingenuous when that is the start of how you built your tools that s what he said. overall, jewel yashgs i want to get your assessment before i ask you more specific questions. well, i thought overall he was credible. he is obviously very upset about the situation about his role in it. i think he may make he may connect dots more i say more tightly than maybe matt and i are comfortable with right now. we just simply don t know what the trump campaign knew and what information they got. but i think his point, you know, what was the trump campaign buying from cambridge analytica and why did such senior players in the trump campaign, kushner, m manafort want him to be part of it is a fair question to ask. there is separate from the question that, you know, having to do with fake news and facebook and whether there was a breach. but nonetheless, the question about trump and cambridge analytica, there are enough dots to suggest or at least open an inquiry into what did the trump campaign get from the people that was harvested or stolen or whatever verb you want to use from facebook. okay. i have more questions to ask. i need you to do it on the other side of the break. stay with me. when we come back, why would a data company be caught on hidden camera discussing trapping politicians in honey pot schemes s this about data or dirty tricks. ohhhh. enough already! we need to see a doctor. ask your doctor about myrbetriq® (mirabegron). it treats oab symptoms of urgency, frequency, and leakage. it s the first and only oab treatment in its class. myrbetriq may cause serious allergic reactions. if you experience swelling of the face, lips, throat or tongue, or difficulty breathing. stop taking myrbetriq and tell your doctor right away. myrbetriq may increase blood pressure. tell your doctor right away if you have trouble emptying your bladder or have a weak urine stream. myrbetriq may affect or be affected by other medications. before taking myrbetriq, tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems. common side effects include increased blood pressure, common cold symptoms urinary tract infection, constipation, diarrhea, dizziness, and headache. need some help managing your oab symptoms along the way? ask your doctor if myrbetriq is right for you, and visit myrbetriq.com to learn more. the entire community came whtogether as a whole.t, it was such an overwhelming response to help others. no one thought that they were going to do this before it happened and everyone just did it. i think that s the way that human nature should be looked at. i ll stand by you. i ll stand by you. won t let nobody hurt you. i ll stand by you. juliette and matthew are body ba both back with me. before this story came out, cambridge analytica had obtained had denied obtaining or using facebook data. now we know that is not true and they have been caught. so the question is, what else aren t they telling the truth about? probably everything at this stage, given the tape we saw talking about ukrainian women enticing candidates to get information on them. at this stage i ll be honest, i don t believe anyone. in terms of body cambridge analytica and then of course facebook. facebook is i think trying to put this on cambridge analytica, about but as we ve seen at least since 2016, facebook has two problems. one is the fake news problem which they knew about for some time. now has this question about what did they know cambridge analytica had captured from not just the original couple hundred thousand, but the millions? their failure to address that adequately and to show to regulators or whoever else what, in fact, had been done. let s just say it s harming them financially, it s also harming them reputationally. i will say one final thing, i tweeted this out, i m honored to be on with matt. i think what s important now that is we want to protect our democratic systems. whether you re republican or democrat. and it seemed really hard at times to figure out what the heck was going on. you thought the whole process was manipulated in ways we d never be able to figure out what happened. i think what the reporters did in the new york times and others in england was to at least show that the acquiescence of these companies to allow these platforms to be abused was actually a choice they made. if we can make the market have them have another choice, then maybe we will actually begin to defend our democratic processes. so that s my little ode to not fake news at the new york times. the washington post now is reporting tonight that the obama campaign had a similar data mining operation in 2012 that allowed them to build a database of voters. facebook changed its rules in 2015 after concerns about misuse. do you see a difference between these stories? absolutely. the obama data mining operation was basically, they had an app, you knew what you were signing up for with that. it was up front and very clear about what you were signing up for as a user. the cambridge analytica app was not. it said it was for academic use. you know, you were going to provide this data, it was going to scrape your friends, for academic use. and it wasn t. it was to put in the hands of a very conservative billionaire in steve bannon who wanted to reshape american culture, political culture. i think there s an important difference there. i think on facebook s end, what cambridge analytica was doing apart from the deception, what they were doing, the data mining, was completely okay. it was completely legitimate. facebook allowed that up through 20 train and then 2015. how many other data sets like this are out there? how many are better and deeper? cambridge analytica did this quickly and relatively cheaply for under $1 million. there were other people doing this for a lot longer. and it s certainly a question we re asking, what else is out there? you know, facebook kind of friday night, right before our story was about to go online, had this post coming clean, cambridge analytica, trying to get to the bottom of this. they ve known about this over two years and they quietly tried to make sure the data was deleted. we know as of last week it was not deleted. but they didn t inform users. they made no effort to go out and tell people, hey, we ve had this issue. and i think, you know, that does beg the question, what else is out there? what else haven t we been told about? matthew, juliette, thank you very much. attorneys for the president meeting face-to-face with robert mueller s team for the very first time. we ll tell you what they talked about next. you like her. she s really good at social media. she buys stocks in companies that stand for something. you like her. she s always up on the latest trends. she got in early on the whole goat yoga thing. and her sunsets are always #nofilter. you like her. but you d like her better if you made more money than she does. don t get mad at @just marea. get e trade. oh! there s one.a the sea cow manatees in novelty ts? 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