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alexandra greensted was just seven when she arrived here from prague weeks before the start of the second world war. at 92, she still remembers sir nicholas winton. oh, he's wonderful. he was the most wonderful, generous, helpful... you couldn't say enough about him. also at the event was one of sir nicholas�*s actual children — his son, nick. he believes one life has captured his father's story brilliantly. it's based on my sister's book, which is true to life, with a few little creative licences. but sir anthony hopkins, boy, at times i would swear that that's my father in the room. it's just extraordinary how he's captured all the little details. i'm talking to you from the wiener holocaust library, which is the uk's holocaust library of record. it feels like an important place

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bump into the furniture!" but use compassion. compassion. thanks so much. what a treat. compassion, a quality that sir nicholas winton also had in abundance. well, you can see now from our conversation, there was nothing heroic about it. it'sjust a question of organisational work.

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life on any side of a conflict is a tragedy. one child's death is a tragedy on both sides. so, what are we to do? my only feeling is that nicholas winton was right. maybe they should put that as, like, a big brother peace sign. let us compromise. let's compromise. winton had no sentimentality about it. he didn't want to be regarded as a hero. he just hoped that we would learn from it. you don't think we have, is what i'm gathering from that conversation. well, i do. i think we can have. i mean, fortunately, i've been around a long time, so i remember the end of the war. and i remember standing in trafalgar square with cnd, campaign for nuclear disarmament, november 1961. and bertrand russell was standing there with a microphone,

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of these grown—up children to get in touch with us, so they'd have the chance to thank mr winton personally. can i ask, is there anyone in our audience tonight who owes their life to nicholas winton? if so, could you stand up, please? after the first that's life episode featuring sir nicholas winton�*s story aired in 1988, dozens more survivors got in touch with the programme. sir nicholas was invited back to the studio, and this time the audience included many more of the children from the prague trains and their descendants. from this moment on, they called themselves nicky's children, and renate was one of them. applause tv clip: ..mr winton personally. renate: here's me. tv clip: can i ask, is there anyone in our audience tonight _ who owes their life to nicholas winton? and you'd never met him at this point? no, never. no. - tv clip: in the meantime, mr winton. .. _ we often wondered

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to speak to you from. we've also been speaking to some of the survivors and also his son, who said of your portrayal of his father, he told us, "at times, i would swear that's my father in the room." well, i watched various documentaries on him. i come from a different background, different nationa... i'm welsh. but ijust made those translations or transitions. but i watched him very carefully and, as i say, i was impressed by his modesty, his humility. i'm just a cipher. i'm just a kind of actor who just portrays it, but, no, thank nicholas winton. when i was clearing out all the papers, i came across that old scrapbook from prague. do you remember that? i do, yes. you're not throwing that out? n0~ _ i think it could be quite an important note of record in its way. you know, full of history we should learn from. it is. look, maybe the wiener archive

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original scrapbook. wow. i mean, it looks incredibly real to me. yeah, it's incredible to have it all in one place. wow. this is the list of people, yeah, who were going to make it, hopefully. and the houses that they were going to. and you can see, like, swapping things around. they had to make the difficult decision to split up siblings, i think. yeah. the scrapbook is now housed at yad vashem, israel's holocaust museum. here in london, the wiener holocaust library holds the uk's most extensive collection of holocaust material, and in amongst its archive are the heartbreaking letters sent by renate's family. she donated all her documents to this library. the tragic thing is that we don't seem to learn and, all politics apart and religions apart, and so on, it's very interesting because winton said

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we'd have no problems at all. 26 years earlier, another bbc programme, that's life, thrust him into the spotlight after it was handed a wartime scrapbook. that tv show told the true story of how nicholas winton had saved the lives of 669 mainly jewish children. so we told her about him. she said... "i tried very hard to find out who had rescued us. "i even tried the archbishop of canterbury to see if he knew. "but i drew a blank. "i would very much like to meet nicholas winton to thank him "for saving my life. "if it hadn't been for this man, i wouldn't be here "to tell the tale." vera gissing is with us here tonight. hello, vera. and i should tell you that you are actually sitting next to nicholas winton. hello. applause hello. that story has gone

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being in prague and trying to recreate these harrowing scenes in refugee camps and at the refugee office that he worked in with a tiny team watching people play the parents of children and they're sending their children off and seeing them, kind of, families wrenched apart and knowing what happened to the parents, you get a glimpse into what he would have felt. we are moving the children. in big groups, by train. that's a two—day trip, - which would mean crossing holland and the dutch have shut their borders - tojewish refugees. _ and they'd have to cross germany. yes, but they'd only be passing through and on british visas. with british foster parents waiting. well, that is if you can find british foster parents. - there are 1,000 - children on that list. the welcome may not be as warm as you're all imagining. _ god bless nicholas winton and all people who tried. you know, it's like viktor frankl in man's search for meaning inspired people to survive.

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affected me and has actually stayed with me throughout the whole of my life, really. i also speak to the younger nicky winton actor, johnny flynn... the experience of making it will never leave me. ..and 90—year—old renate collins, whose life was saved by nicholas winton. i'm assuming that's you. that's me. if it's not faith that drives you, what is it? ethics. this is sir nicholas winton being interviewed on the bbc�*s hardtalk programme in 2014 when he was 105. love, honesty, decency... ..ethics. that standard of life. i believe in ethics. and if everybody believes in ethics,

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0k, and you are just here. couldn't i sit farther back? sir anthony hopkins playing an ordinary man with an extraordinary story. sir nicholas winton was just 29 in 1938 when he embarked on a campaign to bring hundreds of refugee children from prague to london. for 50 years, he didn't talk about his efforts until they were revealed by the bbc tv programme that's life. if they hadn't been rescued and brought over to england, these children would have been killed by the nazis. i'm the bbc�*s culture editor, katie razzall, and for this edition of the arts interviews, i interrupted sir anthony's busy filming schedule to talk to him about his role in one life. is everybody happy? are you happy, sir anthony? yes. tony, tony. i think this whole story has

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