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extremely difficult act to follow. think about the person who follows coach k as the coach of duke basketball, right? you've got somebody who has an incredible record success, but on that ultimate question, when have you seen a politician who has had a more optimal exit strategy. led her party to the majority twice and serves with a democratic president and enacted health care under president obama and now is in a position to enact two major pieces of domestic spending legislation. her party is likely to lose the majority. see you later. >> 11 months, we'll see. all the history, the current trend lines tell you they are likely to move but 11 months is a long time. this is kathleen rice, one of the younger members who might want to be speaker or be part of a more advanced in the leadership if pelosi and the team are stepping aside. we're eating our own at a time when we should be doing everything to hold on to our majority.
class at a university or a college or be able to work in a workplace. right now, kate, i don't see that changing tomorrow or next week, but certainly if you want to talk about what optimal protection is, i don't think anybody would argue that optimal protection is going to be with a third shot. whether or not it officially gets changed in the definition, i think that's going to be considered literally on a daily basis. that's always on the table. you know, my own personal opinion, kate, is what you said is correct. it will be a matter of when, not if. >> doctor, how soon do you think that should happen? should there be a sense of urgency now with omicron? >> well, i think there is. i think the question as dr. fauci says, is what is considered good enough and what is considered optimal. to me, given what we learn about omicron and what we learn about protection, getting a third dose, a booster dose, i would say the optimal immunization is to get, you know, three doses. that should be your series of
throughout the night in the cnn global town hall, viewers submitted questions scrolling in the wall and set behind me, we'll get some of those questions in a minute. moderna's ceo made headlines when he "the financial times" existing covid vaccines are likely to be less effective. >> his comments triggered a drop in financial markets, raised the anxiety of an already worried public, were they premature. joining us so provide some clarity is the president of moderna, dr. steven hogue. >> the ceo also said all the scientists i've talked to this is not going to be good. as the person who leads moderna's scientific, what are you seeing that led to such a bleak assessment? >> some of the word choice may not have been optimal, but i think what stefan was trying to say was consistent with really
we'll get some of those questions in a minute. moderna's ceo made headlines when he "the financial times" existing covid vaccines are likely to be less effective. >> his comments triggered a drop in financial markets, raised the anxiety of an already worried pluc public, were they premature. joining us so provide some clarity is the president of moderna, dr. steven hogue. >> the ceo also said all the scientists i've talked to this is not going to be good. as the person who leads moderna's scientific, what are you seeing that led to such a bleak assessment? >> some of the word choice may not have been optimal, but i think what stefan was trying to say was consistent with really what you heard tony say a moment ago, and what we feel, which is it seems likely that the omicron variant is going to make a dent in our vaccine efficacy. in fact, in all vaccine efficacy. the things that lead us to believe that are our prior
there's a little semantics there. when you say can you get in a certain place, can you be in a certain position or a job. and then there's what's the optimal for you for your own health. right now there's not going to be a change, certainly not in the immediate future, of what's in the definition of fully vaccinated. that's still two shots of an mrna and one shot of a j&j. if you want to optimize your protection as an individual, clearly that's where we're saying, go get your booster. >> is it pretty clear this is now an endemic? how does this end any other way? >> when you say "this," you mean what we're dealing with in our own country, the delta -- >> that we'll have this virus in perpetuity. >> we certainly are not going to eradicate it. elimination means there's none of it in the country like we have now with polio and measles.
get into the holiday season and you want to be fully protected in the sense of getting optimal. the vaccines themselves are clearly still highly effective but you want to make sure the durability of that protection is longer and that is the reason why you get boosted because we so the protection starts to wane a bit. bottom line, get boostered. >> thank you for clarifying that. it's so important. two months ago, the fda rejected authorizing boosters for all adults. and former fda commissioner scott gottlieb says the handling of boosters "may end up being one of the biggest missed opportunities in this pandemic." i know you have always been pro-booster, but is he right? >> well, in certain respects, i think the lack of clarity was the thing that got people confused that's why myself and my colleagues are very pleased that we have clarity. that's what you need. the public cannot be confused.
season, you want to be fully protected in the sense of getting optimal. the vaccines themselves clearly are still highly effective, but but you want to make sure the durability of the vaccine is longer and that's why we get boosters. the protection starts to wane a bit and that's where the boosters are all about. bottom line, damn it, get boosted. >> thank you for clarifying that. it's so important. two months ago the fda rejected authorizing boosters for all adults and former fda commissioner scott gottlieb said the handling of boosters, quote, may end up being one of the biggest missed opportunities of this pandemic. i know you've always been pro booster, but is he right? >> in certain respects i think the lack of clarity was the thing that got people confused and that's why myself and my colleagues are very pleased now we have clarity.
a booster shot? >> absolutely, dana. let's make it clear. when there's lack of clarity, people get confused. they're not sure what to do. if you are 18 or older, and you've been vaccinated, fully vaccinated with the moderna or the pfizer mrna, six months or more ago, get a booster, if it's j&j, and it's two months ago, or more, get a booster. i don't think we should get hung up on should/may. just go out and get boosted. we know they're safe and we know they're highly effective in bringing very, have he high up the optimization of your protection. so just go ahead and get boosted. now is the time to do it, as we're getting into the holiday season, you want to be fully protected in the sense of getting optimal. the vaccines themselves clearly are still highly effective, but you want to make sure the durability of that protection is longer and that's the reason why you get boosted, because we know no vaccine lasts forever.
don't suit their particular views here. but if that still stands, then how do you rectify that so is it doesn't cost, you know, one dime and bring us into a deficit by one dime, as the president says, well, you could cut the spending or increase the taxes, or you could do both. let's get the read from francis newton the stacy, optimal -- director of strategy. [laughter] brandon arnold here as well, national pax tayers' union -- taxpayers union executive. guys, thank you very much. you have long argued that this package that targets the wealthy the pay for it won't end up having the wealthy as the only ones paying for it. what do you make of what the cbo has found which seems to indicate you either tap the wealthy more, or you move down the tax food chain? what do you think? >> yeah. actually the, the joint
that you originally got, it really is fine to get a different vaccine. >> reporter: an nih study reviewed by the fda found all combinations of boosters increase antibodies. the data also showed that volunteers who religionly received moderna or pfizer shots and swapped third doses showed similar results. for j&j recipients, the study showed a stronger immune response from a pfizer or moderna booster. some say there are benefits to mixing and matching. >> they use different technologies. using different technologies create antibodies that attack the spike protein of the real virus in different ways in different places thus creating a more optimal and stronger immune response. >> reporter: a critical scientific breakthrough to beat back the virus. >> kathy, can we expect any side effects with these booster shots? >> jose, doctors say