this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. ministers in the uk are warned of dire economic consequences if they don t ease the two metre this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk social distancing rule in england. and around the world. uk cancer charities fear our guidance remains two metres at this point, a devastating effect and that should be reflected as new figures show a 60% drop in urgent referrals for cancer care in the way that we go about our lives until such time in england during the pandemic. as the scientific advice allows us to say otherwise. 60% is a very significant drop, and that s because partly people are too an easing of the lockdown from saturday. frightened to come forward new support bubbles mean people living alone and single parents to go to their gps. in england will be allowed to stay and secondly, the diagnostic with one other household. service has collapsed. at least two million people 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and across the globe. you can contact us about these stories on twitter. cancer care in england has faced major disruption during the pandemic with big drops in numbers being seen following urgent referrals by doctors, figures show. the uk government is coming the number of people being assessed under increasing pressure from former cabinet ministers by a cancer doctor within two weeks to relax the two metre rule on social distancing in order of a referral fell to 79,500 to kick start the economy. politicians including the former conservative party leader a drop of 60% in april. sir iain duncan smith have warned of dire economic consequences if pubs, meanwhile, patients cafes a nd restau ra nts a re u na ble to open fully, and urged starting treatment in april ministers to move in line with the world health organisation s dropped to 10,800 recommendation of one metre. 20% below the numbers seen in april last year. the lockdown is being eased further for millions of people living alone in england who will be the health service said it had tried able to spend the night to protect services. this has included delivering in another person s house. more chemotherapy in the new measure, described the community and people s homes by the prime minister as well as creating as the social bubble, covid free wings in hospital will come into effect from saturday, but does not apply to people to protect patients. shielding or to anyone in wales, the oncologist and chief medical officer northern ireland and scotland. at the rutherford cancer centre, karol sikora, gave his reaction to the latest figures. and in the last half he says the drop in referrals hour new figures from is very significant. the national health service in england have highlighted a sharp the bottleneck is in the diagnostic decline in the number of people phase, and we have known that. receiving urgent referrals we didn t know how big it was going for cancer care during the pandemic. to be when we look back, and 60% is a very significant drop. our assistant political editor, norman smith is at westminster. and that is because partly people are too frightened to come forward with symptoms to go to their gps. let s begin with this social and secondly, poor old gp, he is stuck with the patient and distancing, the two metre rule in the diagnostic services collapsed. place, because clearly there is huge economic pressure to reduce that. he can t get an endoscopy or a scan, but does the science really allow it because everything was shut, because the nhs moved into covid and what does prime minister boris and did incredibly well. now we ve got to pick up quickly. johnson want to do? the short answer is he is caught in the middle, cancer doesn t wait, caught between many in his own party it doesn t take easter off, desperate for an easing in the two and a lot of patients have suffered metre rule to try to get the economy because of this and still there s a lot people out there have got going again, particularly the cancer that don t know. hospitality sector. chancellor rishi sunak came under huge pressure at a charities have warned the disruption to services would have a devastating effect. meeting of the 1922 backbench tories last night and they came away from lynda thomas, chief executive it pretty convinced that he of the cancer charity macmillan, supported reducing the two metre says urgent action is needed to help rule. against that you have the people who may have cancer during the coronavirus crisis. science and scientists, which is i think seeing these figures published today, deeply cautious. anyone watching we are still seeing that coronavirus yesterday s downing street news has really wreaked havoc on cancer conference where we had chief patients being referred scientific adviser sir patrick for treatment and starting effective vallance, and chief medical officer treatment during this pandemic. chris whitty, the takeaway is they we are seeing slightly better are very apprehensive about the risk figures this month than last month which is encouraging ofan upsurge but there is still an are very apprehensive about the risk of an upsurge in the virus and awfully long way to go. potentially a second wave if you i think we are probably still seeing start to ease the two metre rule too the effects of people still not being sure whether it is ok to go quickly. in the middle stands boris to the gp, perhaps not johnson, who has to make a call. referring in the way listening to him, though, it seems that they were beforehand, and then some services actually he is leaning towards the scientists still not being able to start in the way we might have wanted at the moment because the prime to have seen them being done, minister said to pretty clearly that so i think our view very much you can t reduce the two metre rule is that we really need to get to see until and unless the level of a plan for the recovery of these infections comes down. we know at services going forwards, the moment the number of people it is absolutely vital that cancer patients get seen. being infected every day is around some people might have now waited three months from not 5000, still far too high. secondly, going to the doctors and they really he said we need to have test and need to get to their gp, so i think both from members trace up and running so that if of the public and from the system there is an upsurge we can clatter we are still really needing it down again. we will find how to see urgent action. close we are getting to that today when we get the test and trace specifically what would you like to figures. but as a result i don t know see from government?” think there will be any early or specifically what would you like to know see from government? i think we imminent easing in the two metre have been waiting for and going for rule and that seems to be the since april has been a plan to see message from simon clarke, the local how services will recover in totality, so it is great to see some government minister, this morning. new initiatives being unveiled around chemotherapy and the we recognise fully the challenge it poses both to human cost, community, but really it is the but also the economy. totality of that plan. there is so we ll always keep going to be a massive backlog of this under review. clearly there is important work patients who haven t been seen to be done looking at this during the pandemic and that is on and what sort of progress top of the people who will also may be possible. at this point i want to reaffirm continue to come to the system, so i to viewers that our guidance remains think from government we need an two metres at this point, and that should be reflected urgent think from government we need an urge nt recovery think from government we need an urgent recovery plan and cancer. in the way we go about our lives until such time as the scientific advice allows us to say otherwise. on cancer. in the united states there are increasing calls to remove pro slavery confederacy names and symbols in response to the anti racism movement triggered by the police killing of george floyd. despite the protests, president trump insists army bases named after officers who fought two other thoughts as to why boris for the confederacy during the civil war won t change because they re johnson is not likely to scrap a two part of america s heritage. david willis reports. metre rule imminently, is because he won t want to override his scientists. they have been a shield they are potent symbols of a racist throughout this crisis, whenever there is a decision to take that past, erected in honour of those who sought to keep might be tricky, we hear, we are african america ns enslaved. following the science. he has some now the statues of confederate generals are being cut down and carried away as a nation room as well because labour are not paying for the rule to be eased incensed by the death because they are also saying they of george floyd seeks have to follow the science. this was to turn its back on the past. shadow health secretary jon have to follow the science. this was shadow health secretaryjon ashworth this morning. the monument to the former president of the confederacy, jefferson davis, the decision on the two metre rule was taken away by police after being toppled is a judgment that has to be based in richmond, virginia. on whatever scientific advice the government receives and obviously we don t have access but the memory of slavery to that advice on a day and segregation lives by day basis. but if the scientific advice on through army bases which bear to ministers is that it can be relaxed then obviously the name of confederate officers we would accept that, but i want to underline the point, such as braxton bragg. it has to be based on scientific there are ten of them in total advice, not because backbench and calls are now growing for those conservative mps are pressurising the government. bases to be renamed. retired us army general david petraeus, who served at fort bragg, so where are we? despite the is among those in favour pressure from tory mps and despite of renaming the bases. the pressure from some sections of in an essay published in the pressure from some sections of the media and despite pressure from the media and despite pressure from the hospitality industry, there is the atlantic magazine, he wrote. really no sign that borisjohnson is going to reduce the two metre rule in the very near future. the overarching concern still in number ten is to avoid a resurgence in the virus, a second wave, which folk authorisation for a name believe would be truly catastrophic for the economy. norman smith, thank change would have to come from the military, and senior officials have indicated you. they might favour such a move, precisely how much but all ten bases are in southern distance you should leave and former confederate states, between you and other people varies many of which supported donald trump from country to country. in 2016 and the president the uk has the same 2 metre rule is radically opposed to the idea. as spain and canada. that the united states of america trained and deployed our heroes on these drops to one and a half metres hallowed grounds and won two world wars, he tweeted. if you are in australia, italy and germany. therefore my administration and then will not even consider the renaming further reduces to a metre of these magnificent and fabled if you are in china, military installations. france or singapore. the white house press secretary said that s changing the names would amount actually the same as the official guidance from the world health to a demonstration of disrespect organisation which also says leave at least a metre between yourself for the soldiers who had served at those bases. and others to prevent the spread of coronavirus. one of the former cabinet ministers fort bragg is known for the heroes to call on the government to drop the two metre social within it that trained there, that deployed from there, distancing rule is the former party leader, sir iain duncan smith. and it s an insult to say to the men hejoins us from north london. and women who left there, thank you for taking the time to the last thing they saw on american talk to us today. why do think it is soil before going overseas and in safe to reduce the two metre rule? because scientists think it is safe some cases losing their lives, to reduce the two metre rule. i to tell them that what they left listened to norman carefully, but i read a piece today on the telegraph was inherently a racist institution. and all the scientific studies that because of a name. that s unacceptable the increase in risk is minuscule, to the president. but symbols of the confederacy and even that is now questioned by are under growing threat. the confederate battle flag, scientists in oxford, who say when otherwise known as the stars and bars, has now been banned you are outside for example, there by nascar, the organisation is literally no risk, and even inside they say some of the tests that runs stock car that have been done have been done racing in this country. the leader of the house under laboratory conditions, which of representatives, nancy pelosi, does not give you an indication of is calling for statues representing how normal people work. the general confederate leaders to be removed from the capitol view now is that it increases from building in washington, dc. 1.3% chance of infection to 2.6% chance of infection. if you wear a the landscape is changing mask, that reduces it to about 0.5% here in the wake of george floyd in all manner of ways, as america grapples with a grim legacy of its past. chance of infection. you can see straightaway. the scientists are not david willis, bbc news. saying it would be dangerous, even the science advisers to the well, here in the uk, government have said it is up to the the statue of the slave trader edward colston has been recovered government. their concern is it from bristol harbour. might create some confusion. they the statue, which had stood are not saying it would pose an in the city centre since 1895, was pulled down and thrown increased level of risk that would into the water by demonstrators be intolerable and they are not at a black lives matter saying that. they are saying to protest on sunday. proceed with extreme caution. of bristol council says it has been course they are. we had from the retrieved from the water and taken to a secure location, before forming part chief scientific adviser and chief of its museums collection. medical officer yesterday that there a statue of robert baden powell are an estimated 39,000 new on poole quay is set be removed and placed in safe storage but some residents have vowed infections per week in the community to protect it and stop it from being taken down. in england. they say that yes, the statue of the founder numbers are coming down but very of the scout movement in poole quay, slowly. so why is now the time to dorset, has been targeted by campaigners due to his change that, when i presume you associations with the nazis and the hitler youth programme, would accept there is the potential as well as his actions for the risk of a second wave? the in the military. bournemouth, christchurch risk of a second wave will continue and poole council said it recognised as long as there is coronavirus. some of his actions were less this idea that somehow we will be worthy of commemoration and said the statue would be removed able to eradicate coronavirus is for now to create time for views simply not the case. like all other to be aired . flu viruses and other viruses, they the uk government is coming under linger around. the key issue is, increasing pressure from former cabinet ministers to relax what helps to take control of it. the two metre rule on social distancing in order but it is much more dangerous.” to kick start the economy. politicians including the former conservative leader sir iain duncan smith have warned understand the point you re making, of dire economic consequences if pubs, cafes and restaurants but the scientists say that the key are unable to open fully, and urged ministers to move in line to keeping this under control is hygiene, not distancing in that with the world health organisation s regard. and hygiene is washing recommendation of one metre. hands, cleaning shared services, not but with around 5000 touching or shaking hands with new infections daily in the uk, people. that is exactly how we have the government and its medical advisors are urging caution. brought it under control. the point our assistant political editor norman smith is at westminster. about social distancing is that the who does not see any need, and these is it too simplistic to say this is are all scientists, to go to two broadly a row between those backing metres because they don t believe a treasury line worried about the airto air economic hit and so still really metres because they don t believe air to air transmission is a significant risk and some people worried about the immediate health seem to believe it is not the same risks? now, i think as hygiene, which is the key to worried about the immediate health risks? now, ithink that s worried about the immediate health risks? now, i think that s what it does come down to. in the middle is doing this. that has to be kept clear and has to be imposed. you one borisjohnson, does come down to. in the middle is one boris johnson, at does come down to. in the middle is one borisjohnson, at the moment he seems to be leaning much more asked me what was the reason why heavily towards the scientists. when 110w. asked me what was the reason why now. now because oui’ you listen to them day at the moment asked me what was the reason why now. now because our economy is facing a complete crash. the debts are deeply apprehensive and cautious about the risk of another upsurge we are racking up on how we are supporting people, the fact no work any virus, because we haven t got the infection level down or very little work is taking place. if we don t get the economy moving sufficiently, the r level under control sufficiently, so they are we will not be able to afford any of very cautious and borisjohnson the things we need to support public appears to be going along with them services so getting balance right is stop said, there is no doubt the important. and on schooling, if we disquiet of the hospitality sector had a one metre or 1.5 metre rule in in particular, and that mood is echoed across the tory backbenches, place then opening schools will be with increasingly prominent tories now coming out and saying unless we much easier. so everything hinges on this to me to rule with regard lockdown easing. everybody gets the reduced two metres may be to one metre, 1.5 metres, there is no way arguments about the economy and the that pubs, restaurants and cafe is concern of the debt growing day by will be able to open and they think they have got the support of day. everybody absolutely gets that, but isn t it the case that the uk is chancellor rishi sunak. have a listen to the former tory leader not currently in the position that iain duncan smith on the subject. other countries are in? it didn t our economy is facing get into the test and trace as a complete crash. quickly as some other countries who the debts we re racking up on how we re supporting people, have dealt incredibly successfully the fact that no work, with the pandemic in terms of a much or very little work, is taking place. if we don t get the economy moving, lower death rate and spread of the we will be unable to afford any infection. and right now the test of the things we need to do to support the public services so getting the balance and trace system is not fully up and right is important. and also, schooling, by the way, running in order to give people that if we d had a one or one and a half metre rule for schools, confidence. i think people should it would have been much easier have confidence. why? to give you for them to have open. so it is the critical opponent around which everything coming some figures that are really out of lockdown hinges, important and they go missing. everybody is scared that everybody is at the same level of risk because is this two metre rule. they are not. between five and not borisjohnson will be very wary quite 10% of those who have caught against that, of ignoring his coronavirus and died, our people scientists who have been like his without comorbidities, in other field throughout this whole saga. words, a very small number of people how many times when we have got to really different difficult who are healthy, fit and younger decision for susan has been able to than 75 have a very low chance of say, iam catching this, and particularly if decision for susan has been able to say, i am following the science. also the opposition labour party you follow the hygiene rules. the seem to be saying they think we key point is, this is about managing should stick with the sciences. this risk. we will not be able to get rid was the shadow health secretaryjon ashworth. of all risk. what we have to the decision on the two metre rule is a judgment that has to be based understand, even in flu pandemics on whatever scientific advice the government is receiving. like 1968, where 80,000 people died, obviously we don t have access to that advice we did not shut down the economy. on a day by day basis. but if the scientific advice sweden is another good example, they to ministers is that it can be relaxed then obviously have not shut down the economy and we would accept that, their figures have not shut down the economy and theirfigures track have not shut down the economy and their figures track better than the but i want to underline this point, uk. it is possible to control this it has to be based on scientific advice, not because backbench without shutting down the economy. conservative mps are pressurising the government. isn t there a fundamental problem when you have a number of eminent scientists, and we have heard from many of them saying that if the uk the one other key element in the mix had gone into lockdown a couple of here is that test and trace scheme weeks or even a week sooner, we which could be crucial in getting could have perhaps currently half the government to ease off on two the death total we have, more than metres because of that is up and 41,000 souls. there is a problem running and the successful and reliable and means we can put in place local lockdowns if there is an with confidence there in the upsurge in the virus, that could messaging and of the information give mrjohnson the flexibility to thatis messaging and of the information that is being given by the government. lets get this into ease off on the two metre rule. this perspective. the truth is that we afternoon we will get the first had peaked in infection rates before indications of whether or not but is we went into lockdown. and that was actually working when the health secretary matt hancock publishes for therefore already coming down. i the first time the figures on how many people are actually being think this piece of information comes from the man who ran the contact traced and told to self isolate as a result of the imperial college model which has now scheme. thank you very much. more of been roundly trashed by almost every course on that in the coming hours. single scientist, particularly in oxford and edinburgh. my point is to the outgoing chair of the cbi has warned british businesses don t be very careful. you get scientists have the resilience to cope with the combination of coronavirus and they do disagree with each and the threat of a no deal brexit. dame carolyn fairburn said the uk other. the government acted on the leaving the european union advice of the science at the time. without a trade deal would be like setting the shed on fire that is clear from the side records. while the house was in flames. our business correspondent, borisjohnson doesn t have to simon gompertz is in west london. disagree with his scientific advisors because they are not telling him not to do it. they are this row over brexit, people have saying him to be careful and not thought it might have gone away but it very much has an. it hasn t gone sowing confusion. that s about away. it has come right in the midst messaging and clarity. so the government can do this and should do this because otherwise we are not going to get the economy moving. we of this discussion over whether to bring the two metre rule down to one will not get children back to school properly, even in september if we metre. just to give you the business haven t lifted this, and it makes side of that particular argument, life impossible on transport. and bearin life impossible on transport. and bear in mind that in london for pubs, restaurants, cafe is, hotels, example, my constituents rely massively on public transport, more through their representative than anywhere else in britain, and organisations, have been tearing the the tubes are running with hardly government that whereas under the anyone in there because of the two two metre rule they are really metre rule. we need to be very looking at 30% occupancy, customers careful. hygiene is the key. the distancing model, with all the coming into their premises, if you health advice, can be brought down, andi health advice, can be brought down, bring it down to one metre, it is and i believe it should be. iain more like 70% or more, and only if duncan smith, thank you. you get up to that level they can hope to make money. this is the in the united states there are increasing calls to remove pro slavery confederate names force behind that particular lobby and symbols in response and one which i think they will to the anti racism movement triggered by the police killing probably be encouraged to hear that of george floyd. the chancellor rishi sunak is despite the protests, president trump insists army bases named after officers who fought for the confederacy during the civil supposedly being sympathetic to war won t change because they re part of america s heritage. backbenchers requests for some kind david willis reports. of reduction. amidst all this we have also heard news from centrica today. yes, we have. centrica, which they are potent symbols of a racist past, erected in honour of those who sought to keep african america ns enslaved. is the big gas and our trusty now the statues of confederate generals are being cut down supplier, says it is cutting 5000 and carried away as a nation jobs by the end of the year incensed by the death of george floyd seeks electricity supplier. most of those to turn its back on the past. outcome in what they can management the monument to the former president of the confederacy, jefferson davis, was taken away by police after being toppled layers, 2500, amongst their 40 most in richmond, virginia. senior managers half of those will but the memory of slavery be out by the end of august. it is and segregation lives on through army bases which bear pretty dramatic reduction of almost the name of confederate officers one in fivejobs such as braxton bragg. pretty dramatic reduction of almost one in five jobs at the company which has already cut thousands of there are ten of them in total jobs in recent years. the reasons and calls are now growing for those behind it are not solely to do with bases to be renamed. the virus. they have had to contend retired us army general david petraeus, who served at fort bragg, with a cap on their prices the is among those in favour government has imposed and also more of renaming the bases. in an essay published in competition from smaller suppliers. we have seen advertisers have lost the atlantic magazine, he wrote. hundreds of thousands of customers but the virus has accelerated the response to that and what is probably going to be worrying for people who normally work in offices around the country is centrica is saying that during these difficult times as they described them, they authorisation for a name have become more agile and see what they can do so they have obviously change would have to come seen there is room to cutjobs from the military, and senior officials have indicated within their big officers and that they might favour such a move, isa sign within their big officers and that is a sign of what might come to pass but all ten bases are in southern across the uk. thank you. and former confederate states, many of which supported donald trump yesterday the prime minister in 2016 and the president announced a further easing of the lockdown rules for england. from saturday, anyone in england is radically opposed to the idea. living alone will be able to form what borisjohnson called a support bubble with one other household. he said the measure was aimed at those who have been particularly lonely during the lockdown. chris beck lives in worthing in west sussex and his son barnaby who has down s syndrome lives nearby in hove. hejoins us now. the white house press secretary said changing the names would amount to a demonstration of disrespect for the soldiers who had chris is with us. tell me what it served at those bases. has been like for you all, for both fort bragg is known for the heroes you and your son. it has been within it that trained there, that deployed from there, and it s an insult to say to the men difficult. first, my son lives in and women who left there, the last thing they saw on american residential care. he has down soil before going overseas and in syndrome. it has actually been some cases losing their lives, incredibly positive for us, and that to tell them that what they left was inherently a racist institution. he has had such great support. this because of a name, that s is one thing i don t think we have unacceptable to the president. heard much about in the news, about but symbols of the confederacy are under growing threat. the confederate battle flag, otherwise known as the stars people who have additional needs living in care or supported living. and bars, has now been banned by nascar, the organisation for us it has actually been really that runs stock car racing in this country. positive. i can only talk about our the leader of the house experience, but my son is a drummer. of representatives, nancy pelosi, he is 24 years old. his home is is calling for statues representing confederate leaders to be removed from the capitol building in washington, dc. excellent. the support he gets there the landscape is changing is excellent. they have made sure they stick to all the guidelines and here in the wake of george floyd that there are activities to keep in all manner of ways, as america grapples with a grim him and his fellow residents active. legacy of its past. david willis, bbc news. but then the other thing is, i am a musician and he is surrounded by musicians and creatives. my wife is an artist. so we have been doing a here in the uk, the monument lot online and he has really taken for the slave trader, edward colston, has been recovered from bristol harbour. to it. he had a little bubble early the statue, which had stood in the city centre since 1895, on because he couldn t quite come to was pulled down and thrown terms with the situation, wobble. into the water by demonstrators at a black lives matter protest on sunday. bristol council says it has been he is surrounded by support. people retrieved from the water and taken to a secure location, before forming part of its museums collection. have kept in touch through face time a council in southern england has temporarily taken down a statue to robert baden powell etc. we wrote a song and it was, i after protesters questioned the founder of the scouts links to the nazis. ama etc. we wrote a song and it was, i am a songwriter, but he suggested we baden powell founded write a song about the positive the scout movement in 1907. things and we have written a song bournemouth, christchurch and poole council said it recognised some of his actions were less called keep smiling which will be worthy of commemoration and said out there soon. we have kept him the statue would be removed for now to create time for views to be aired . focused but he has been incredible. it isa focused but he has been incredible. it is a very positive story. we were the number of confirmed surprised. but this is because of coronavirus infections the support he has had. that is in the united states has surpassed two million, two weeks after the world health organization wonderful to know and hopefully we declared the american continent will be able to hear the song soon. to be the new epicentre i know we havejust of the coronavirus pandemic. will be able to hear the song soon. i know we have just seen will be able to hear the song soon. i know we havejust seen him his wealth for the first time in quite the figure comes some time. yes, yesterday. getting from thejohns hopkins institute emotional thinking about it. 12 which also indicated weeks without seeing him. and we that more than 112,000 people had died there went for a walk in the park the highest death toll in the world. yesterday at distance. he has done new york city remains the worst affected over 200,000 his bit and i cry out to all those cases of the virus have been confirmed there since the pandemic began. people who have sort of forgotten although the daily number about this distancing and we met of new cases has declined sharply in some parts of the us, the figure is increasing in 20 us yesterday, please do it, because there are vulnerable people out states as you can see from this breakdown by the centers there. we had our work and we had a for disease control and prevention. they include california, laugh and he was talking about we which has one of the highest number of recorded are going to meet for father s day, cases as well as texas, nevada and new mexico. we will have a distant picnic, it s also estimated somewhere, between here and that 70,000 people have brighton. it was fantastic. i was been killed by covid 19 in latin america two thirds worried about that. i thought it of them in brazil and mexico. might ship things and it might upset him, but on the contrary. it really pushed him forward and he is looking now to the future and it is good. major cities in brazil are starting to ease lockdown but is wonderful. best of luck to measures despite coronavirus deaths you and barnaby and i hope you can in the country nearing 40,000. earlier this week, a judge ordered the brazilian government to resume meet again soon and we look forward publishing key data on covid 19. to hearing this musical track, i m president bolsonaro has blamed the media for over hyping the outbreak and has previously sure it s going to be marvellous. described the virus as a a bit of a cold . let s cross to rio now and speak to the journalist sonia bridi. bye bye. thank you very much forjoining us. the number of confirmed coronavirus can you assess for us the impact of infections in the united states has the virus so far in brazil and how surpassed two million, two weeks after the world health has it got to the stage where it is organisation declared the american continent to be the new epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic. right up there in the league and the figure comes from nobody wants to be on in terms of the john hopkins institute, which also indicated that more the number of dead? since the than 112,000 people had died there, the highest death toll in the world. beginning of the pandemic we had new york city remains the worst affected, over 200,000 cases very mixed messages from the federal of the virus have been confirmed government to say the least. the there since the pandemic began. president classified the pandemic is a little flue. as other leaders in although the daily number of new cases has declined sharply in some parts of the us, the world did in the beginning. a the figure is increasing in 20 us states, as you can see from this breakdown by the centers for disease control and prevention. they include california, little flu. but different to which has one of the highest number of recorded cases, president trump and borisjohnson, as well as texas, nevada and new mexico. it s also estimated that 70,000 who reassessed their position, people have been killed president bolsonaro has been in by covid 19 in latin america, denial of the pandemic since the two thirds of them beginning. we now don t have a in brazil and mexico. whilst the rate of covid 19 health minister in brazil. we have infections is slowing in many countries, an acting minister, a general, after the world health organization says the situation is two civilian doctors refused to deteriorating in war torn yemen. the country s prime minister has described the sitation implement the measures that mr there as a tragedy. bolsonaro wanted to see in place. he much of the country s health system has been destroyed. is against social isolation. he our chief international correspondent lyse doucet has more. wa nts all is against social isolation. he wants all doctors to prescribe how in a nation scarred by war a new landscape to prepare for all symptoms of of loss, the dead taking more space from patients with covid 19. we still the living as a graveyard grows in southern yemen. have a shortage of access to tests no one knows how many are dying of covid 19, so we have more than 700,000 but with every day more yemenis know this. this pain of life and death confirmed cases, and notification is at the time of the virus. a real problem in brazil. we are and doctors see the worst. reaching 40,000 deaths. a real problem in brazil. we are reaching 40,000 deathsm a real problem in brazil. we are reaching 40,000 deaths. it is a very grim total. on tuesday, a supreme this doctor works in an intensive care unit in the southern city of aden. she s just finished her night shift. courtjudge overturned, as we mentioned in the introduction, a the whole situation in aden is very bad. government decision to stop there are people dying in hospital, releasing the cumulative totals four there are people dying in deaths. do you think the government an ambulance where they are was trying to censor information to waiting for empty beds. manipulate data ? there are people dying at home. was trying to censor information to manipulate data? totals for we can t do anything for them. deaths. yes, i do. this is what they they are just suffering and they die. there is little dignity we re deaths. yes, i do. this is what they were trying to do. but fortunately in this death, and great disquiet. were trying to do. but fortunately we have still a very strong media in brazil, and an independent here in northern yemen the houthi authorities try to hide how many died from the virus. judiciary. and when the federal so some bury the dead in the dead of night. government stopped releasing the men dressed in white fearing data, we started collecting in a for their own lives. but someone at this graveside sent us these images pool of major news outlets. and the so his friend isn t forgotten. judge ordered the government to go a young dentist said back, but still, when you visit to be killed by covid 19. their website, the biggest number his father died two days that you see is the number of before him, his wife fell ill. recovered people, not the actual infection and not the death rates. we have heard so many stories. a doctor in northern we are opening some of the city is yemen tells me he s stopped going to work at the health ministry. now. in a moment when the curve is it s too dangerous, he says. the houthi authorities say that the situation is under still very vertical. we are control now. approaching now 1500 deaths per day. is that true? it s a very dangerous move, as we see the numbers are increasing in parts of brazil that were lightly this deadly virus is moving touched by the pandemic in the beginning. we had a very strong hit undetected across a in the north places it in the amazon country twisted in two by a long war and all the old pestilence, including cholera. area like manaus. in some cities in yemen s health system has all but collapsed. testing for covid 19 among the north we already have 25% of the the lowest in the world. across this country, doctors tell us their beds are full. population infected, and it was a they don t know where to put terrible hit. in rio and sao paulo, the sick and dying. while numbers are still very high. and there is so little specialist care. doctors like these doing whatever they can. a bit of despair that i can t, or we can t do more we already have a very weak public for the patients here. transportation system, so people go i guess, you know, we try our hardest with what we have and each to work in crowded buses and day the sun still rises we do what we can. but it s hard, it s really hard. subways. it is a very dangerous move the disease itself and i m afraid in a few days we will is ravaging lives. yemenis have so few defences have the number of deaths increased. and last week a un appealfor life saving funds fell far short. and maybe some states will have to in a world of covid 19, it is feared back up and close everything again. yemen could suffer the greatest catastrophe of all. we must leave it there, thank you lyse doucet, bbc news. for joining we must leave it there, thank you forjoining us from rio and sharing jk rowling has revealed her experience of domestic abuse and sexual assault, the situation in brazil. in a highly personal essay drafted let s return now in response to criticism to the further easing of the lockdown in one part of her public comments of the uk. yesterday the prime minister said on transgender issues. that from saturday anyone in england in an article on her website, living alone will be able to form what borisjohnson called a support the harry potter author explains how her experiences helped bubble with one other household. he said the measure was aimed shape her opinions. at those who have been particularly she went on to say: lonely during the lockdown. i m mentioning these things now not in an attempt to garner sympathy sarah griffiths hughes but out of solidarity with the huge lives in dorchester, she s been isolating number of women who have histories from her mother, daughter, like mine who ve been slurred and granddaughter. shejoins us now. as bigots for having concerns around single sex spaces. thank you so much for talking to us you re watching bbc news. today. you have been on your own for more than a couple of months now, thanks for staying with us. and it is grim. it is grim even if you are with people in lockdown, but to mark carers week 2020, being on your own is much worse. you are with people in lockdown, but the queen and the princess royal being on your own is much worsem has been horrendous, really hard. spoke to a group of carers who are supported by the carers trust over a zoom call. tell me what your options are now borisjohnson has announced this in a video released idea of forming a social bubble?” on the monarchy‘s twitter account, the queen can be seen with four carers and the trust s have three options. my biggest and chief executive gareth howells. toughest problem is my mother, who she could be heard saying: interesting listening is 92 and an amazing lady, who lives to all your tales and stories. i m very impressed by in sussex, a long way from me. if i choose to have my bubble with her what you have achieved already. then the logistics of getting up to see her and back down to dorset we can now speak to alex atkins, who has provided a caring role don t really make sense. then i have my son and daughter who both live for her mother who has bechets syndrome and now also supports her dad, locally and both have children, so who has various complex health thatis locally and both have children, so that is a hard choice as well. i conditions as well as her grandmother who has think it will probably be my chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. daughter because she is not working she was on the zoom call. and my son works full time, so my daughter will be the best choice, i think. presumably you are in discussion with your mum and children about all of this. what do they think? they say what they well done. amazing set of achievements looking after your entire family. can you tell us what happened when he spoke to the queen? a lwa ys they think? they say what they always say to me, we will leave it it was an amazing opportunity to up always say to me, we will leave it up to you to make your decisions. speak to her. we want to where she was going tojoin. we were not really coming down on any side, speak to her. we want to where she was going to join. we were aware any of them. i do feel most that royal this the princess royal concerned about my mum. she celebrated her 92nd birthday all by was this talking to us so when we found out the day before the queen herself and i desperately want to go would bejoining us so it was and put my arms around her, but c is exciting and we are so humbled for so far away and i have other the opportunity to express commit relatives living so close. but the opportunity to express commit the cameras we all face and the she is so far away. would it be young people i support. can you tell practical to go and move in with her isa young people i support. can you tell is a bit about what was said, are we for a period perhaps? not really, allowed to ask you details of this no. because i would then be cut off conversation? yeah, a lot of different questions. you could tell from everything else, my whole life that the queen was really actively down here. there is a limit to how listening to what we said and much i want to cut off from seeing emphasised in our situation that we are going through and understood the my friends, not that i see them, but struggles that we were facing. so waving to them. so, yes, i think it many different questions that we asked. it was just like a normal conversation. it did feel slightly will be staying in dorset, a much more sensible idea. do you have any concerns about stepping outside this weird because all online relative isolation you have been conversations but still natural of going through for the past 11 weeks or thereabouts? or are you the same time but there was a lot of questions about respite. those types wholeheartedly embracing the idea of the social bubble, even though it brings this conundrum?” the social bubble, even though it brings this conundrum? i would like it to be a bigger bubble with my son of questions, how we were coping and daughter, but that s fine, but i with the situation. can you tell us have no issues about going outside. we are very lucky in dorset, we have how difficult it has been? it sounds like there are a lot of difficult had very few instances, so i think struggles therefore you and the must as long as we ll continue to be very of been pretty hard. it has been sensible and careful keep the distancing, we just have to get on difficult. i am with our lives, don t we? role on of been pretty hard. it has been difficult. iam in of been pretty hard. it has been difficult. i am in a of been pretty hard. it has been difficult. iam in a position of been pretty hard. it has been difficult. i am in a position where i support carers as well as being the carer myself so i can see in saturday. thank you for sharing your both hands a situation. i go out, story with us and i m sure lots of other people are thinking about who doing shopping for others in the they will get into a social bubble communityjust doing shopping for others in the community just to get doing shopping for others in the communityjust to get a bit of with from saturday. respite from that. some people are finding it nice to beat with their cancer care in england has family and then helping through faced major disruption during the pandemic with big drops situations but the majority are in numbers being seen really struggling. we got on really following urgent referrals well. we all understand the things by doctors, figures show. the number of people being assessed well. we all understand the things we have good going on. i am working by a cancer doctor within two weeks from home. my mum is working part of a referral fell to 79,500 time. all the different dynamic but a drop of 60% in april. it is difficult because no one is meanwhile, patients starting treatment in april getting a break at the moment. of dropped to 10,800 20% below the numbers seen in april last year. course. quite a treat to have this the health service said it had tried to protect services. particular phone call. what does it this has included delivering mean to you, what will you remember more chemotherapy in the community and people s homes most about it, speaking to the queen as well as creating and princess royal? i think it is a covid free wings in hospital to protect patients. once in a lifetime opportunity that nobody thinks they are going to get, having that opportunity. especially let s look at those cancer figures. is this down to some of the with the virus, but at the same time treatment options are simply not we have got all this distanced being available, or as largely conversation, so it will stick with because people have been so afraid me forever and i think something to go into hospital because they are afraid of catching covid 19?” that i want to inspire the young to go into hospital because they are afraid of catching covid-19? i think afraid of catching covid-19? i think a little bit of both. at the start aduu that i want to inspire the young adult carers i have supported and we are always hoping to achieve. thank of the pandemic the nhs prioritised cancer care, unlike some other parts you very much. amazing what you are of the nhs where things were doing. so many others. postponed or cancelled, cancer care was kept running. but they have to do it in was kept running. but they have to do itina was kept running. but they have to this cross now to nicola sturgeon. do it in a different way. 21 cancer hubs are set up to coordinate care across england. we have seen a reduction in services but we have also seen a reduction in the numbers there has been an increase of 17 of people coming forward to their from yesterday. a total of 909 patients are in hospital with gps and reporting symptoms. that is why we have only seen the 79,000 confirmed or suspected covid 19, that represents a total decrease of people urgently referred for a 78 since yesterday include stomach consultation with a cancer doctor. including a decrease of ten in the that is a drop of 60% year on year. number of confirmed cases, a total of 21 people last night were into and then those patients starting treatment is down by 20%, just over intensive care with suspected or confirmed covid 19, an increase of three from yesterday but all of the 10,000 during april. that is a increase i should say is in significant drop. and it illustrates suspected cases. i m also able to that perhaps there are not as many confirm today that since the 5th of march a total of 3858 patients who services available as there was when the pandemic, before the pandemic had tested positive and needed hospital treatment for the virus started. what the nhs is trying to do though is to reopen services, get have been able to leave hospital and i wish all of them well. in the past cancer patients through the system, because as well as those entering the system we have also heard of 24 hours five deaths were registered cases where patients are having of patients confirmed for a test of ongoing treatment. that has to be having the virus, the total number of deaths in scotland under that stopped because of coronavirus. and also patients not getting screened measurement is now there for as for cancer. cancer research uk estimates there may be a backlog of a lwa ys measurement is now there for as 2 million for cancer screening. tell always it s important to stress the figures ijust read out are notjust me about some a&e figures as well? you have some figures for a&e statistics, they all represent attendances well. yes, we do. these individuals who right now are being cover a more recent period, may. a&e mourned by the families and friends. so againi mourned by the families and friends. so again i want to send my deepest condolences to everyone who has lost has always been open and the doctors have always urged patience to come a loved one to this illness. i also forward if they are seriously ill wa nt to with other conditions other than a loved one to this illness. i also want to express my facts as always to our health and care workers for coronavirus. now in april, the the extraordinary work they continue numbers who came to a&e were just to do in very difficult and testing over 900,000. during may that has circumstances. i want to highlight three issues today. firstly, i will increased to just over 1.2 million. that is still well below the numbers cover our latest report which has just been published on the r number. a&e departments traditionally see over the course of a given month. i will update on some developments in the construction industry and normally topped 2 million. we have talk about support that we are also got figures for those making available for students over undergoing routine surgery. these the summer. i will then close by have dropped massively but we expected that because routine reflecting on the importance of our treatment was cancelled on masse. test and protect system launched two weeks ago and our wider public just 41,000 people had surgery for health guidance. let me start with things like knee operations during april. that is down from nearly today s report on the r number. as 300,000 you could expect in any given month. 0k, a big let backlog you will recall the r number shows to catch up with. the rate at which this virus is nick triggle. reproducing. in some areas the r is jk rowling has revealed how she experienced domestic abuse and sexual assault, in an essay defending her comments above one where everyone with the on transgender issues. virus will infect more than one other person and the virus will it comes after she was accused of transphobia, following a series of controversial tweets. spread exponentially. if the r in a blog post, the harry potter number is below one the number of author said incidents in her past people with the virus will fall. we had shaped her opinions on the need to protect girls. estimate that the r number in jk rowling has revealed how scotla nd estimate that the r number in scotland as of friday the 5th of she experienced domestic june was between 0.6 and 0.8. that nick beake s report contains some flashing images. apart from the occasional premieres for herfilms, isa jk rowling prefers to stay june was between 0.6 and 0.8. that is a lower estimate than for two weeks ago when we calculate it that out of the limelight. the number was likely to be between but now, after being accused 0.7 and 0.9. under that estimate we of transphobia, she says she has to speak up and has would expect that the virus will revealed deeply continue to decline. in addition, we personal experiences. in a long essay, she describes her first marriage as violent estimate that last friday 4500 and says she suffered a very serious sexual assault in her 20s. people in scotland had the virus and she doesn t identify her attacker. we re people in scotland had the virus and were infectious. our previous estimate for the 29th of may had been that 11,500 people were likely to be infectious. that sounds like a very big decline. so it is worth me stressing that we don t actually think that the number of infectious people has more than halved injust one week. what has been happening is it s a reference to what she calls that we have been reassessing our the relentless attacks estimates for previous weeks based on social media she s on the latest figures available to received after tweeting about the importance of biological sex. us. in short, it is likely that the actor daniel radcliffe, 11,500 was an overestimate, not that who made his name in the number has halved in a single the harry potter films, week. spoke out, saying transgender not that the number has halved in a single week. notwithstanding that, the latest estimates reflect the women are women, and hoping that jk rowling s comments encouraging data we have seen in the would not taint the harry last couple of weeks. there is no potter series for fans. eddie redmayne, who stars in the harry potter spin off doubt looking at all this data that we are making very real progress in fantastic beasts, also combating and suppressing the virus disagreed with her. in scotland. as always, it is jk rowling hopes people will see why important i inject a note of her own experience compels her to caution. firstly at the estimates i speak out on sex and gender issues. nick beake, bbc news. have reported to be gaining to ease the australian prime minister, scott morrison, has joined a growing row involving china, saying he will never trade national values in response to coercion. the lockdown and we continue to china imposed a ban on australian beef and started taxing barley monitor impact from the carefully. imports, shorty after mr morrison called for inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. beijing also urged chinese students to review whether to study in australia. the bbc‘s shaimaa large enough to make the virus take khalil is in sydney. off rapidly again if the r number this is.these tensions have been simmering for a while now was to go much above one. for these between beijing and canberra. reasons we need to celebrate the as you say, the background to this has been when australia joined progress but continue to be careful and sided with the united states, and cautious. a week today we will calling for an inquiry into the origins of covid 19, which was first detected in china have a further review of the lockdown restrictions. i am late last year. currently very hopeful that at that at the time, beijing dismissed that, point we will be able to lift some called it politically motivated, further restrictions. we may not be but very soon after imposed able to do those tariffs on barley and the ban on beef. now we re seeing almost another level of escalation china warning its citizens and warning its students about going to australia citing covid 19 threats, but also saying that there have been racist incidents against asians, which there have been and they have been documented, but not everything rests we do that at the level where a whole population of tourists and students should be stopped from coming. but really, what you re seeing as well, is the third and fourth cautiously and tie making, we will most significant exports bea cautiously and tie making, we will from australia, they re responsible be a better position to lift more for billions and billions of dollars restrictions if all of us continue to stick with the current in revenue here in australia, with china being the biggest contributor to that. it does send the largest number of international students here in australia, now it has a big question mark on it. so while australian authorities, australian officials, including, of course, guidelines sector will be able to the prime minister saying, move to the next step of the restart look, you know, we re not going to give up on our values. plan, something that was always we re assertive about our sovereignty, about how envisaged as something in phase one we want to run the country and how of the route map, so it s not a we want to approach the pandemic change to phase one. earlier steps and the inquiry, there s bound have allowed for health and safety to be a nervousness in canberra about relations with its trading planning for preparatory work at partner because it does affect construction sites and moving to the trade, it does affect tourism and it next step of the industry plan will does affect education. allow workers to return to construction sites gradually while technology giant amazon using measures such as physical has banned the police from using its controversialfacial distancing and hand hygiene to make recognition software for a year. sure we can do so safely. i am it comes after civil rights grateful to the sector and to trade advocates raised concerns unions for the very responsible about potential racial bias approach they have taken during an incredibly difficult time. it is in surveillance technology. important to be very clear that we still have a long way to go before rory cellan jones, our technology construction will be working at full capacity but there is no doubt this correspondent, joins me now. isa capacity but there is no doubt this is a significant step in allowing an important industry to return safely rory, tell us a bit more about this to work. i can confirm today we are technology and how long it has been extending our help to buy scheme used for? well, there has been a lot which was due to come to an end next march. we are extending that to of controversy about facial recognition technology in general march. we are extending that to march of 2022. under that scheme the here in the uk, the us and around government provides up to 15% of the the world. earlier this week ibm cost of buying a new build home and announced it was getting out of recovers its share of the funding facial recognition. people pointed when the property is sold or when out that it wasn t very big in it. the share is bought out. in recent amazon is a lot bigger in facial yea rs the share is bought out. in recent years the scheme has helped to recognition technology. it has got a 17,000 people, more than three product called recognition which was quarters of them aged 35 or under, being used by a number of police to buy new build homes. it has been departments across the united a valuable support for states. amazon have never given house builders. at present the precise figures. there have been pandemic means the scheme is not mounting calls for this to stop, for being used so by confirming that it there to be regulation at this is being extended i hope we can ensure more people who may otherwise technology of this technology. have missed out on the scheme are allegations that it was biased, able to move into new homes in the particularly in the way that it recognised faces of people from future and also we are able to provide a bit more confidence for ethnic minorities. so amazon was the construction sector. the third under mounting pressure, had been for some time. obviously recent issue i want to talk about his events have made that even more support for students. we know many pressing. what of the company said stu d e nts support for students. we know many students rely on income from is that congress in the united seasonal or part time jobs, states is debating some kind of especially over the summer months. legislation overseeing this and the economic impact of covid technology and will wait a year to see how that will work out. 0k, will therefore cause them particular difficulties. that can be especially technology and will wait a year to see how that will work out. ok, so thatis see how that will work out. ok, so that is why it is saying the ban is for a year. is this likely to be the important for higher education students, who unlike further subject of any challenges? i m not education students can t usually sure that it is. the debate will be claim benefits over the summer. we have already provided additional support for students and have also about just how you suspended debt recovery action by sure that it is. the debate will be aboutjust how you receive this technology. there is an arms race the students awards agency. today we going between the west and china are bringing forward more than £11 using artificial intelligence million of further support. this generally. this is a branch of funding will be administered by artificial intelligence. china has colleges and universities to help made huge progress in advancing higher education students who most facial recognition technology, but need it and it is a further way in people look over there and see how which we are trying to support stu d e nts which we are trying to support students at a time when we know many it is used for mass surveillance and they don t like it. lots of uk and of them are still facing potential hardship. the final issue i want to us tech companies try to follow cover today relates to my earlier suit. they are now under great discussion of the r number and how pressure to hold on and wait for we hope to announce further changes some proper oversight. we had a big to lockdown restrictions next week. as we do that and gradually, and i incident last year in the uk where it was revealed that facial emphasise gradually, return to recognition technology was being meeting more people and return to used in the king s cross area of living a bit more freely, which we london and a big push back against are all keen to do, our test and that. so this is a global debate. protect system will become ever more and ultimately it is about the tech important in helping us all to live companies and the privacy of their a less restricted life. while still users? it is. but it is also about being able to suppress the virus. the quality of the technology. there yesterday we published the first data from the system which started isa the quality of the technology. there is a debate aboutjust how good it two weeks ago today. that data shows is, and many false positives it that in the period up to the 7th of produces, for example. there have been various experiments by the june, 681 people who reported police in the uk, in south wales in symptoms had tested positive for covid. as of yesterday, contact particular and in london. and the police have said this could be tracing had been completed for 481 useful technology. civil liberties of those and those in progress for a groups have said, hold on a minute, there needs to be far greater further 50. amongst those, 531 cases, a total of 741 contacts had oversight before it s there needs to be far greater oversight before its deployed in a big way. rory, thank very much. rory been traced, just under 1.5 people cellan jones. virus experts warn the wave per case. people s contacts right of anti racism mass protests across the united states and many now will be lower than normal because of lockdown restrictions in cities around the world could cause an increase in coronavirus cases. place. there are two points to note so could online demonstrations be the future for protesting? alice porter has been finding out. about this data, it is very initial data. the first is that the number chanting being black is not a crime! of people testing positive is higher sparked by the death thanis of people testing positive is higher than is suggested by the daily of george floyd, anti racism protests have been taking figures. the ones i report on new place around the world. cases here each day. that s because while many people have tried our daily figures don t yet cover to socially distance, on big demonstrations, tests from the lab is run by the uk it can be almost impossible. government, such as those for breathing, shouting, regional test centres and mobile units, although we will be able to yelling, cheering include that information very soon. this will increase the air flow, it will increase in addition, the current figure is the production of droplets and, therefore, it will increase slightly over state the number of the infectivity around you. cases where no tracing has been so if you re surrounded carried out so far. one reason for by lots of people doing that, there is more opportunity thatis carried out so far. one reason for that is because some historic cases for the virus to spread. from a time when the system was lockdown has forced protesters being piloted still feature in the to find more creative ways to make their points. data. with historic data removed the back in march, brazilians proportion of thing completed cases took to their balconies, banging pans to show goes up from 71 to 86%. we will their discontent with president bolsonaro s handling of the pandemic. publish more data on test and protect in coming weeks, not only and israelis joined a virtual protest against prime minister because it s important the benjamin netanyahu. government understands how it is working but you do as well. over 500,000 people tuned in. so, do you have to be preliminary indications show that on the streets to protest test and protect is already working effectively? well and we will identify areas for i m watching an online improvement as and when they arise and as the system becomes ever more anti racism protest established. fundamentally i want to where activists and mps will be speaking. people from all over the world can stress to everyone watching just how take part and of course there s no issues with breaking social distancing rules. important test and protect is and i suffer from asthma, how important it is going to quite bad asthma, and so i ve continue to be in the weeks and been stuck inside for the entire lockdown. i can t go out and protest potentially the months that lie physically, so what can i do? ahead. i guess it essentially the most important things that we can do is learn, unpack and educate others around us. represents four all of us a kind of social bargain. if you have symptoms, and in some ways this is but can online protests have the same impact? the much more difficult bit, if you under lockdown, extinction rebellion and black lives have been in contact with someone who has symptoms, even if you don t matter have still taken to the streets where they can have symptoms yourself, we will ask cause disruption and you to isolate completely. we will get more publicity. at the end of the day, support you in doing that if you what s on our phones and what s need that support but it is still a on our screens is not real, and in order to create real very tough thing to ask people to change, we have to go do. however, and this is the social outside, talk to people and shout, shout, shout. bargain bit, if we all agree to do now, the government says that you shouldn t be protesting that when necessary, it means all of and that in fact demonstrators could be contributing us together, collectively, will be to spreading covid. what do you feel about that? able to continue to emerge from lockdown while keeping the virus under control. at any one time, some racism killsjust as much as coronavirus, and for me of us will have to self isolate for to be standing here in a pandemic, risking my health, a period so that together all of us that shows what the government s doing. why should i have to do that? can a period so that together all of us ca n start a period so that together all of us can start to lead a less restrictive why should i be there? i should be staying at home, life. so please, if you have protecting myself. but i feel the need to fight symptoms of covid 19, a new fight for my rights. continuous cough or fever, or a symptoms of covid 19, a new continuous cough orfever, or a loss in many ways, the pandemic has or change in your sense of taste or given people even more smell, please don t wait for a few reason to protest. but whether its online hours or a day or two to see if you or on the streets, people have had to adapt so that their voices can still be heard. feel better. start self isolating alice porter, bbc news. immediately that you experience these symptoms and ask for a test immediately. to remind you, you can in arctic russia, there do that by going to the nhs website, are warnings that the operation to clean up more than 20,000 tonnes or by calling nhs 24. that s on oh of spilled diesel could take years. the leak happened at the end of may, prompting russia s president, vladimir putin, to declare a state of emergency, 800, 28 2816. but so far measures to contain the spread of the fuel have or by calling nhs 24. that s on oh 800,28 2816. if we all do had limited success. rich preston has this report. or by calling nhs 24. that s on oh 800, 28 2816. if we all do that when we experience symptoms, and if any of us are contacted to be told we have been in close contact with in two weeks, the leaked diesel has drifted more than 10km someone with the virus and we agree from the site of the accident, to self isolate then all of us are already reaching a nearby lake and turning the ambarnaya river red. going to help enable the whole country to get out of lockdown not just a bit more quickly but more safely as well. the final point i the are fears the contaminated water could eventually reach the pyasino river, wa nt to safely as well. the final point i flowing directly into want to make before he moved to the kara sea, which is part questions is that your best way of of the arctic ocean. booms have been brought into contain the spread but have failed to completely reducing our chance of being a close stop the fuel, already impacting the ecosystem. contact reducing our chance of being a close co nta ct of reducing our chance of being a close contact of someone with the virus and being asked to self isolate as a result is by continuing to stick to translation: ourworkers saw dead donkeys. today i saw a dead muskrat. the key guidance. that s all so our best way of avoiding getting and if a bird lands in the fuel transmitting the virus. to remind or a muskrat swims in it, eve ryo ne it is condemned to death. transmitting the virus. to remind everyone what that guidance is, you should still be staying at home most the storage tank which housed the fuel was part of a metalworks of the time right now, and you facility located the town should still be meeting fewer people of norilsk, one of the than you normally would. if your northernmost towns in the world, 300 kilometres life feels like it s getting back to above the arctic circle. normal right now, please ask yourself why that is, because it president putin criticised shouldn t yet be feeling as if it s the company, a subsidiary getting back to normal. when you do of norilsk nickel, for its delay in reporting meet people from another household, the accident and criminal proceedings have been launched. you absolutely must stay outdoors. three members of the power pla nt‘s staff do not go indoors. you must stay two have been taken into custody. metres apart from members of the norilsk nickel said other household. please do not meet up the measures were other household. please do not meet up with more than one of the unjustifiably harsh household at a time. don t meet more and promised to cover the cost for the clean up operation, than one in the course of any single thought to be around $146 million. day and please keep to a maximum, i around 700 people are involved in the clean up in what environmentalists say is the largest incident of its stress a maximum of eight people in kind ever to hit the arctic. any group. wash your hands often. aruna ayenga, bbc news. make sure you do it thoroughly. if the headlines on bbc news. you are out of your home, take hand there s been a 60% drop in people receiving urgent referrals sanitiser with you. where a face for cancer care during the pandemic, according to new covering if you are in an enclosed figures for england. space where physical distancing may be more difficult, for example in a shop or on public transport. again i cancer charities fear wa nt stress a devastating effect. ministers in the uk are warned shop or on public transport. again i want stress that. we know that one of dire economic consequences if they don t ease the two metre of us wearing a face covering that helps reduce the risk of social distancing rule in england. transmitting the virus to someone else and someone else wearing a face for the first time since lockdown began in the uk, covering reduces the risk of them new support bubbles mean that from saturday millions of people transmitting the virus to us. it s another way in which we can all act living alone in england will be able to stay overnight in another person s house. to protect each other. avoid touching hard surfaces and any you do touch, make sure you clean them thoroughly. and if you have symptoms it s emerged that some high risk offenders in england of covid 19, ask for a test and wales may not have been monitored as closely as they should immediately and please follow the advice on self isolation. above all have been during the lockdown. the details are contained in an internal ministry ofjustice document, seen by bbc news. else, we should all remember right the government is preparing now that in every single individual to announce changes to the probation decision we take we are potentially system which are expected to end the involvement affecting the health and well being of private companies. of others and indeed the well being let s get more now from our home of others and indeed the well being of the whole country. so if all of us continue to do the right thing, affairs correspondent danny shaw. if all of us continue to stick to these rules then we will continue to danny, hello to you. first of all, see the progress that i have been tell us what has been going on with reporting in recent days and we will monitoring of these high risk be able to come out of lockdown offenders during lockdown? when hopefully even more quickly, but lockdown started the government said it was going to have to scale back much more importantly than that, we face to face contact between will be able to do that sustainably because we will come out of lockdown probation officers and offenders, as you would expect, to avoid spreading and continue to suppress the virus, infection. most of the contact was which is our overall aim. thank you going to be via the telephone or on for everything you have been doing doorsteps. but what we have seen is and please keep doing it so together that in a period ending on may the we can continue to make this life saving progress. 17th, high risk offenders monitored by the state run national probation service, they have plans in place thank you for bearing with me. i am but only about half of those plans to co nta ct joined by the chief medical officer but only about half of those plans to contact all fenders were actually completed in their entirety. it and the health secretary who will meant that during those four weeks, help me answering questions but we are going to go to a large number of some offenders may not have been contacted as often as the plans said questions today. the first one from they should have been. it doesn t mean they were not contacted at all. bbc scotland. from saturday, single it doesn t mean there wasn t any monitoring. but it does mean things weren t running quite as smoothly as aduu bbc scotland. from saturday, single adult households in england will be perhaps they should have been. also, able to form a support bubble with the other data from this report one other household. are you planning to do anything like this shows that prisoners who were and if so when? and an extra released from jail, high risk question to you and the chief prisoners, they are meant to be seen immediately by a probation officer, medical officer, is that you need to rule a fixed rule in scotland? we have a meeting. that didn t happen in about one in five cases for high risk prisoners and they were released in one week leading up to are considering moving to phase two are considering moving to phase two may the 17th. let s talk more a week today which is our next review date and i think it is really broadly about the probation system. important, i feel strongly that if go back a few years and we have a we are to come out of the lockdown at the right pace and in a way that lot of private company involvement. then we had less. still somewhat is sustainable and does not risk the less. now it sounds like there isn t virus running out of control we going to be any? yes. if you go back stick to our plan and we do things ina very stick to our plan and we do things in a very methodical way, stick to to 2014, chris grayling, asjustice our review timetables, make sure we secretary, introduced reforms that are assessing all of the evidence pa rt secretary, introduced reforms that part privatised the probation system and taking careful and well founded in england and wales, and private decisions, and that is what we are going to continue to do, not come companies were allowed in to monitor low and medium risk offenders. last here everyday announce different year the government said it was going to scrap that model, that moves out of lockdown at these private companies were still going briefings, so we are going to stick to be involved in delivering to that, and we will consider the services on the ground. so the things in phase two which is greater intervention services. the unpaid work schemes and so on were going to social interaction for individuals. i want to get people able to see be delivered by private companies more of their families and friends. under contracts. all those contracts have been halted. that process has we have had questions here before been halted. and we understand that about couples for example who live private sector involvement is basically going to stop completely apart. these are particularly under a new system that is going to difficult times for people in these circumstances and for people who be announced by robert buckland in the house of commons in the next live alone so we want to move to couple of hours. so this is a major greater normality as soon as sort of reversal from where we were possible but i will not do anybody and from what chris grayling, what any favours by taking these decisions on anything other than a he envisaged when he announced the well thought out we are by trying to changes going back to 2014. it would move too quickly? we will sit out bea changes going back to 2014. it would be a state run system. there will, however, still be room for voluntary next thursday whether and to what extent we can go on to phase two and groups, for charities, for specialist services to come in and asi extent we can go on to phase two and as i have said before i am optimistic on the basis of the data provide, for example, drug treatment services and so on on a local level. as it is right now but to will increase the possibility and the danny, thank you very much. danny likelihood of being able to ease more restrictions if we stick to shaw. two men have been arrested these rules for now. i will hand on suspicion of assault on two police officers. a video circulating on social media, over to geiger in a second about two which we cannot fully show for legal reasons, shows an officer struggling on the ground with a man metres. we consider the evidence and in frampton park road in hackney, east london. all of these aspects on an ongoing the attack was described as sickening, shocking & basis. right now the advice i have disgraceful by the home secretary, is that we should not change the priti patel. two metre rule. that does not mean i centrica, the owner of british gas, has announced its will close my name to it in future. cutting 5,000 jobs as part of a restructuring plan. the company is cutting three layers it is important to emphasise that of management in an attempt to streamline the business. this is not an absolute discussion. just as it is not the case that it s believed the decision there is no risk of transmission at to restructure has been accelerated by the impact of the coronavirus. two metres, they would be less risk if it was three metres or four the duchess of cambridge is urging metres, there is greater risk of people to document their lockdown transmission at one metre than there experiences through photography, as part of a project she has is at two metres so this is about launched with the uk s national portrait gallery. relative risk, not about a there s one week left for people particular distance that is to submit their pictures, and 100 of the best will feature absolutely safe. it is often a in an online exhibition trade off so if you go for a shorter on the gallery website. distance there are other things you our royal correspondent daniela would have to do potentially to relph has been taking a look at some mitigate that. some of the countries of the entries so far. that follow a one metre will have they are the images that reflect how much stricter requirements in place we ve all experienced lockdown. for face coverings and some of these this is titled two sleeping countries, particularly asian colleagues unmasked the sheer exhaustion of nhs staff. countries, particularly asian countries, have a particular culture around face coverings. right now we not being able to touch those you love is shown here in an entry see that the risk is minimal if you called glass kisses. are two metres away from somebody for no more than 15 minutes. if that and celebrations and commemorations have been marked at a distance. goes to one metre attain there is still a week consideration may be different. my to submit your entries last point is that some of the to the hold still exhibition, with a bit of encouragement from the patron of the emerging evidence around how and where this virus transmits, i was national portrait gallery. it isn t too late to take talking about this yesterday around part so please take a moment to capture what life s like for you, because together i hope we can build a lasting the evidence around super spreading illustration of how our events or settings, clusters of this country pulled together during the pandemic. virus, could suggest that the kind i can t wait to share the final 100 images with you. of settings we are reducing two the photos submitted so far reflect the hope, metres may deliver practical fear and mood of a nation. benefits may also be the kind of settings in which the risk of the final 100 portraits shortlisted will be a snapshot, transmission is greater. that is a a gallery of the people very long winded way of seeing this of the uk in trying times. with many familiar scenes, is not a straightforward this is simply called calculation. there is lots of working from home. different things we have to consider and we have to consider them daniela relph, bbc news. carefully but the advice given to me is that we should keep to two metres but we will listen to the advice of the changes and consider the the tv industry is emerging from lockdown in the uk, evidence on an ongoing basis. the with filming re starting for the most popular soap risk associated with distancing is opera, coronation street. continual. physical contact is probably the greatest risk. add one metre you start to reduce that and and while coronavirus will be that two metres to reduce it further mentioned, programme makers insist it won t dominate storylines. and the evidence has been considered as recently as last week again and measures to keep cast and crew safe include a one way system what the experts have advised is around the set and stars doing their own make up. our entertainment correspondent that the degree of risk starts to colin paterson has been speaking to some of them. increase between one and two metres by between two and ten times it is corrie in the covid era. depending on your location in relation to the person you are after a gap of almost three months, the nation s most watched soap standing beside. at this moment in is back filming. emma brooker walking into a wall time the absolute guidance in scotland is that we should remain in front of sally webster. ow! with the recommendation that people keep two metres, a minimum of two and corrie celebrated with her first ever broadcast press conference on zoom. metres, between each other. that is right for this point in time in the that is me looking awkward, top row, epidemic. it is possible we will second from the left. review that in the future and come can you spot the two corrie stars? to another conclusion but the evidence at this moment in time in the head of itv in the north the situation we find ourselves in explained the new safety procedures is that the two metre guidance they ve put in place. we are maintaining should remain. stv. nearly 630,000 the two metre distance. we ve got people with poles going around. actually i saw some rather fearsome people in scotland have been footage of dave the security guard furloughed. many must be watching wielding his pole this morning. you would not want to mess the almost dailyjob losses with that guy and his pole. seemingly across all sectors we re getting a bit tight here, we need to keep the two metres. wondering if they are next. is there the average numbers on set have been a real danger many of those infernal reduced from 40 to 15, all filming on location has are locked out of theirjobs? my been supended, and older characters will only appear on the show when they facetime theirfriends. objective is to manage our way oh, and roy s rolls will only serve through this pandemic in a manner takeaway although planned plot lines have not changed much. that suppresses the virus and does not lead to a risk of a resurgent i don t think people tune in to coronation street wanting virus which will take us back to the to see more people banging way i do even greater damage and on about the pandemic, actually. and we were very keen that probably, undoubtedly, more long lasting damage to the economy than what we wanted to do was carry on telling as many even what we see right now, while at of the same stories that we were planning the same time making sure we can to tell as possible. open up our economy again to get the actors who have already filmed this week have enjoyed it. businesses operating and earning we were nervous, relieved, money again so that they can we have done it, we did it in plenty preserve jobs money again so that they can preservejobs and money again so that they can preserve jobs and not face the of time, it s possible, prospect of making people redundant. let s move on and the amount throughout this as i have said it is not an easy balance to strike but it of actors who were sort of asking me, texting me, is the balance we have to strike to how did it go, how did you get on? the best of we need to make sure just relief, we are back, lovely, really lovely. that as we go through that careful press conference over, i was given one on one time with jane danson who plays leanne battersby. and unavoidably gradual process that she told me more about the changes. is to in place for companies and we we are required to do our own will continue to talk to the uk make up, ourown hair, government about making sure that which for me personally is not too much of an issue the furlough scheme is not ended because my character is going through a particularly traumatic time at the moment so she s not really prematurely. some other countries hugely bothered about have already announced a much more what she looks like. these two then walk that way together, obviously extensive arrangements in terms of a few metres apart. job support and which support the day mayjust take a bit schemes that we will continue to longer than it did before have these discussions with the uk but we certainly found, within a couple of hours, government and continue to look at we all got in our groove again. the support arrangements we can put in place here in scotland, but this is about. i think it is really it just felt like we were doing our normal day, important that while i understand, just very much at a distance. how do you think leanne particularly if you are an employer battersby would have coped in a lockdown? laughs facing horrendously difficult times that is a really and facing horrible decisions about good question. she is stroppy at the best of times so i think those who work for you, and if you she would have found this quite are somebody working for a firm that difficult and i appreciate fora lot of people being locked is facing difficulties and worrying in with young children, about redundancy, i understand that it is kind of hard to occupy them it can be very easy to see this as a at the best of times so i think trade off between what we need to do she probably would have to tackle the virus and what they she has got alot on her plate need to do to protect the economy at the minute but had that not been going on, but we have to get both of these she would not have coped very well but, yeah, things in sync because if we act too i think i have coped a little bit better than she would. quickly on easing lockdown antivirus action. ru ns quickly on easing lockdown antivirus runs out of control again that will do more damage to the economy. if we we will find out exactly how corrie has coped when these episodes start go more slowly and is necessary then being shown onjuly 24th. colin paterson, bbc news. that will do unnecessary damage to the economy still getting all of these decisions taken at the right many countries are now trying to ease lockdown conditions, piste with the right but for some that s easier said than done. interdependencies is vital. i am maintaining the necessary social distancing can be difficult in shops, offices and factories. now, a british company determined to do this in a has found a novel solution, methodical and planned way. we have as the bbc‘s tim allman explains. over three weekly cycles. we look at the evidence very carefully. we take # am i livin in a box balanced decisions. we are trying to # am i livin in a cardboard box.# get the tourism sector the ability funny to think that our to plan ahead so the announcement economic salvation may lie in recycled cardboard. yesterday that all being equal and all going well we would see a this company used to make reopening of the tourist sector in pallets and containers mid july from the 15th ofjuly gives for industry, but then along came covid 19 that sector, that is dependent on and, with it, a need advanced bookings, and ability to to embrace new ideas. plan, so we will do that as far as as people have started possible, but we have to keep the to come back to work, we ve switched to making a range of distancing virus under control. if this virus at work products such as free standing screens, ru ns virus under control. if this virus runs out of control we are back to counter screens and desk partitions. square one and more people will die and the economy will suffer more damage, so these are the daily the screens provide protection judgments we have two strike and we in a work environment, isolating staff from one another. will continue to do that to the best of our ability. itv border. can i you can also buy quick to assemble cardboard desks for those who are working from home. a neighbouring company has already embraced the idea in a big way, pick on that remark that you need at although they were keen to add a personal touch. the end about tourism and the date of getting back to some kind of it s pretty extreme to put yourself normality on the 15th ofjuly? into cardboard boxes so the reasons for cutting rachel hamilton the spokesperson for the windows and trimming them in those colours the scottish conservatives says that was because i ve got a manchester united supporter this move is, quotes, too little and sitting at my desk and i support liverpool. too late. how do you respond to that well, that could become liverpool again, couldn t it? rest tonight i have just talked on all of this is relatively cheap, plus it s environmentally friendly and, yes, they really have been thinking outside and, now, inside the box. tim allman, bbc news. some water, that is the only reason iam coughing. some water, that is the only reason i am coughing. i do not know what rachel hamilton thinks we should have done. if we had gone without the multitasking cardboard box. geeta guru murthy will be here with more news injust a geeta guru murthy will be here with more news in just a few minutes. now it s time for a look making these judgments, we would at the weather with matt taylor. have done. if we had gone without making thesejudgments, we would not have been doing any favours to the hello. economy of the tourist sector of the north west scotland, one of the sunniest and driest spots over the next few days. economy, so it is very easy for one of the sunniest and driest spots a bit of sunshine elsewhere but a fairly changeable opposition politicians, and i have weather story coming up. certainly for the next been an opposition politician, so i couple of days, england and wales seeing some windy am not trying to be particularly conditions developing. it s going to turn more humid into the weekend critical, because it is you ll notice that when the sun does come out but there will be the threat throughout of thundery showers. nicola sturgeon with the daily that includes today across parts of central and southern england and wales. briefing time to update everyone on brightest and driest conditions in scotland and progress and looking ahead to northern ireland. there will be some sunshine breaking through the cloud potential progress but saying elsewhere, but it stays wet for much caution still needed. just to let of the day in the channel islands. you know, we have had department of thunderstorms by the afternoon health figures in london saying that across south wales, south western of about 8000 people who tested parts of england. something a bit brighter positive here, about 5000 were but with strong to gale traced, so they traced two thirds of force winds, and they will bring in more persistent rain to the those who tested positive for the north east of england later in the day. virus. a bit more cloud through the borders now it s time for a look and eastern parts of at the weather with matt taylor. northern ireland. hello, north west scotland is one but much of scotland, northern ireland, dry and of the sunniest and driest spots bright with some sunshine. low cloud close to orkney and shetland, and for over the next few days, all temperatures not far off sunshine elsewhere but a fairly where they should be. changeable weather story coming up, some heavy rain to end the day certainly for the next couple across north east england. of days england and wales are seeing that will spread across other parts windy conditions develop, of northern england, turning more humid into the weekend, north wales and northern ireland, you will notice when the sun comes even southern scotland through the night. out but there will be the threat staying wet across the throughout of some thundery showers channel islands too. away from those areas, including today across parts most areas will be dry. of central and southern lots of low cloud england and wales. in the north east of brightest and driest conditions scotland to bring in scotland and northern ireland. a grey day on friday. for most, the temperatures in double there will be sunshine breaking figures as we start the day. through the cloud elsewhere but it stays wet for much of the day one wet area across northern england towards northern ireland to in the channel islands, begin friday. those thunderstorms by the afternoon turning wetter in eastern scotland later on. the rain, beginning across south wales and south western in the channel islands parts of england, a bit brighter will spread north across southern england, the midlands and south wales later. but strong to gale force winds bring rumbles of thunder with that. in more persistent rains either side there will be some of the north east of england later breaks in the cloud, a little bit of in the day, a bit more cloud sunshine, temperatures through the borders and eastern lifting to the low 20s. parts of northern ireland. the best of the sunshine much of scotland and where it s sheltered from the north east breeze across northern ireland dry western parts of scotland. and bright with sunshine, the breeze will clear the rain away from the likes of wales and the south west later some cloud close to orkney but low pressure is close by into the weekend so there is the risk of further downpours. and shetland and temperatures not with wind flowing anticlockwise around it will bring far from where they should be. ever more humid air up heavy rain to end the day across the north east of england from the near continent. spreading across other parts of northern england, from saturday, more rain for parts north wales and northern ireland of northern england, and even southern scotland through the night, staying wet southern scotland, northern ireland, the heaviest of the rain across the channel islands. across the north east of england. away from those areas, most will be dry, low cloud in the north east of scotland, scattered thunderstorms giving a grey day on friday, break out across most temperatures in double figures england and wales under bit as we start the day. of sunshine in between. one wetter area across northern england towards temperatures of 24, 25. northern ireland to begin driest again in western scotland, friday, turning wetter in eastern as it will be on sunday. scotland later on. temperatures into the mid 20s here. the rain in the channel islands will spread northwards across southern england towards the midlands and south wales low cloud throughout this weekend, later, rumbles of thunder with that. the east of scotland, north east either side there will be england and, like saturday, western areas of england and wales on sunday breaks in the cloud, a little bit of sunshine lifting could see the odd temperatures into the low 20s, scattered thunderstorms. the best sunshine sheltered a humid feel for all. from the north east breeze goodbye for now. across western parts of scotland. the breeze will clear the rain away from the likes of wales and the south west later but low pressure is close by into this weekend, so there will be some further downpours and with winds flowing anticlockwise around, we will bring in ever more humid air up from the near continent. for saturday, more rain for parts of northern england and southern scotland and northern ireland. the heaviest rain across the north east of england. scattered thunderstorms break out across england and wales, bit of sunshine in between, temperatures 24, 25, driest again in western scotland, as it will be on sunday. temperatures into the mid 20s here. low cloud throughout the weekend in north east england and east scotland, and like saturday, the midlands and wales could see scattered thunderstorms and a humid feel for everyone. bye for now. this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. cancer charities fear a ‘devastating effect as new figures show a 60% drop in urgent referrals for cancer major disruption to cancer care in england during the coronavirus care in england during the pandemic. pandemic, with a big fall in ministers in the uk are warned the number of patients being seen. of dire economic consequences figures for april, a week if they don t ease the two metre after lockdown began, show urgent referrals by gps fell social distancing rule in england. 60% on the same period an easing of the lockdown the year before. from saturday new support bubbles mean people living alone and single it s just the thought that, because parents in england will be allowed of coronavirus, to stay in another person s house. my life might be at least two million people shortened, not through the cancer, in the us are recorded but, you know, as a direct as having coronavirus. infections are rising in 20 states, as restrictions impact of the coronavirus. continue to be relaxed. we ll have the latest another statue targeted from our health correspondent. us protestors pull down also this lunchtime a confederate monument in virginia, as president trump rejects calls the first data from the new nhs test to remove pro slavery and trace programme in england shows figures and symbols. two thirds of people who tested positive provided details the statue of british slave of who they had been close to. owner edward colston is recovered after being thrown into bristol s harbour. it s being ta ken to a secure location. the harry potter authorjk rowling reveals she experienced domestic abuse and sexual assault in her 20s. hello and welcome if you re watching in the uk and around the world and stay with us for the latest news and analysis from here and across the globe. cancer care in england has faced major disruption during the pandemic with big drops in numbers being seen following urgent referrals by doctors, figures show. the number of people being assessed by a cancer doctor within two weeks of a referral fell to 79,500 a drop of 60% in april. meanwhile, patients starting treatment in april dropped to 10,800 20% below the numbers seen in april last year. the health service said it had tried to protect services. this has included delivering more chemotherapy in the community and people s homes as well as creating covid free wings in hospital to protect patients. our health correspondent nick triggle has been speaking to my colleague annita mcveigh about the numbers. at the start of the pandemic the nhs prioritised cancer care, unlike some other parts of the nhs where things were postponed or cancelled, cancer care was kept running. but they had to do it in a different way. and 21 cancer hubs were set up to coordinate care across england. so we have seen a reduction in services but we have also seen a reduction in the numbers of people coming forward to their gps and reporting symptoms. that is why we have only seen 79,000 people urgently referred for a consultation with a cancer doctor. that is a drop of, as you mentioned, 60% year on year. and then those patients starting treatment is down by 20%, just over 10,000 during april. that is a significant drop. and it illustrates that perhaps there are not as many services available as there was when the pandemic. . . before the pandemic started. what the nhs is trying to do though is to reopen services, get cancer patients through the system, because as well as those entering the system we have also heard of cases where patients having ongoing treatment that has to be stopped because of coronavirus. and also patients not getting screened for cancer. cancer research uk estimates there may be a backlog of 2 million for cancer screening. tell me about some a&e figures as well? you have some figures for a&e attendances well. yes, we do. these, unlike cancer, which cover april, these cover a more recent period, may. a&e has always been open and doctors have always urged patients to come forward if they are seriously ill with other conditions, other than coronavirus. now in april, the numbers who came to a&e was just over 900,000. during may that has increased tojust over 1.2 million. but that is still well below the numbers a&e departments traditionally see over the course of a given month. normally it tops 2 million. we have also got figures for those undergoing routine surgery. these have dropped massively but we expected that because routine treatment was cancelled en masse. just 41,000 patients had surgery for things like knee and hip operations during april. that is down from nearly 300,000 you could expect in any given month. let s speak now to lynda thomas, the chief executive of the cancer charity macmillan. thanks forjoining us. what is your reaction to seeing these figures published? i think seeing these figures published today, we are still seeing that coronavirus has really wrea ked still seeing that coronavirus has really wreaked havoc upon cancer patients being referred for treatment and starting effective treatments during this pandemic. we are seeing slightly better figures this month than last month which is encouraging but there is still an awfully long way to go. i think we are probably so seeing the effects of people still not being sure whether it is ok to go to the gp, perhaps not repairing on the way that they were beforehand and then some services not being able to start on the way we might have wa nted start on the way we might have wanted to see them being done, so i think i will review very much as that we really need to get to see a plan for the recovery of the services going forwards, it is absolutely vital that cancer patients get seen. some people might have now waited three months of not going to the doctors and they really need to get to their gp, so both members of the public and the system we are still really needing to say urgent action. specifically what would you like to now see from the government? i think the thing we have been waiting for an calling for since april has been a plan to see how services will recover in total, so it is good to see some new initiatives now being unveiled around chemotherapy and the community for example, but really it is the totality of that plan. there is the totality of that plan. there is going to be a massive backlog of patients who haven t been seen during the pandemic and that is on top of the people who will also continue to come through the system, soi continue to come through the system, so i think from government we need an urgent recovery plan on cancer. we have seen for example hospitals talking about covid free zones and can try and race people it is safe to go in. obviously with every day that goes past, there is more risk to people who are missing diagnosed treatment. absolutely and that is why we have been referring, it is really important that people continue to get themselves diagnosed and treated. the nhs has done a greatjob in setting up covid free hubs for cancer patients but we need to see numbers of people being treated in those covid free hubs and in other locations are commencing with the numbers that we would expect. and actually help to address everybody that needs to go through the system. what about if someone is watching at home and they think they are not quite sure, they have got the slight niggle or worry, they are scared to go to the gp or have a referral to a specialist because it will involve mostly a physical examination and they mightjust think it might be nothing, i don t wa nt to ta ke think it might be nothing, i don t want to take the risk?” think it might be nothing, i don t want to take the risk? i think what we are asking patients now to do is to really, really go and see their gp, if they think they have any issues at all, there is a much greater risk to patients of not stepping forward and not getting diagnosed than potentially any risk that might be perceived of having treatment. gps are really skilled professionals who will be able to speak to people on the farm in the first instance and perhaps reassure patients that everything is ok. if they feel somebody needs to go on for further investigation, they feel somebody needs to go on forfurther investigation, be they feel somebody needs to go on for further investigation, be able to do that in a safe way, so i think to do that in a safe way, so i think to anybody watching this i say if you have any lumps or bumps or pains that could be explained and haven t gone away or anything at all worrying you, get in touch with your gp today. lynda thomas, chief executive of the macmillan cancer charity, thank you so much. the number of confirmed coronavirus infections in the united states has surpassed two million, two weeks after the world health organisation declared the american continent to be the new epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic. the figure comes from the john hopkins institute which also indicated that more than 112,000 people had died there the highest death toll in the world new york city remains the worst affected over 200,000 cases of the virus have been confirmed there since the pandemic began. although the daily number of new cases has declined sharply in some parts of the us, the figure is increasing in 20 us states as you can see from this breakdown by the centres for disease control and prevention. they include california which has one of the highest number of recorded cases as well as texas, nevada and new mexico. it s also estimated that 70,000 people have been killed by covid 19 in latin america two thirds of them in brazil and mexico. in the united states, there are increasing calls to remove pro slavery confederacy names and symbols in response to the anti racism movement triggered by the police killing of george floyd. despite the protests, president trump insists army bases named after officers who fought for the confederacy during the civil war won t change because they re part of america s heritage. david willis reports. they are potent symbols of a racist past, erected in honour of those who sought to keep african america ns enslaved. now the statues of confederate generals are being cut down and carried away as a nation incensed by the death of george floyd seeks to turn its back on the past. the monument to the former president of the confederacy, jefferson davis, was taken away by police after being toppled in richmond, virginia. but the memory of slavery and segregation lives on through army bases which bear the name of confederate officers such as braxton bragg. there are ten of them in total and calls are now growing for those bases to be renamed. retired us army general david petraeus, who served at fort bragg, is among those in favour of renaming the bases. in an essay published in the atlantic magazine, he wrote. authorisation for a name change would have to come from the military, and senior officials have indicated they might favour such a move, but all ten bases are in southern and former confederate states, many of which supported donald trump in 2016 and the president is radically opposed to the idea. the united states of america trained and deployed our heroes on these hallowed grounds and won two world wars, he tweeted. therefore my administration will not even consider the renaming of these magnificent and fabled military installations. the white house press secretary said changing the names would amount to a demonstration of disrespect for the soldiers who had served at those bases. fort bragg is known for the heroes within it that trained there, that deployed from there, and it s an insult to say to the men and women who left there, the last thing they saw on american soil before going overseas and in some cases losing their lives, to tell them that what they left was inherently a racist institution. because of a name. that s unacceptable to the president. but symbols of the confederacy are under growing threat. the confederate battle flag, otherwise known as the stars and bars, has now been banned by nascar, the organisation that runs stock car racing in this country. the leader of the house of representatives, nancy pelosi, is calling for statues representing confederate leaders to be removed from the capitol building in washington, dc. the landscape is changing here in the wake of george floyd in all manner of ways, as america grapples with a grim legacy of its past. david willis, bbc news. well, here in the uk, the statue of the slave trader edward colston has been recovered from bristol harbour. the statue, which had stood in the city centre since 1895, was pulled down and thrown into the water by demonstrators at a black lives matter protest on sunday. bristol council says it has been retrieved from the water and taken to a secure location, before forming part of its museums collection. a statue of robert baden powell on poole quay will be removed and placed in safe storage . baden powell founded the scout movement in 1907. bournemouth, christchurch and poole council said it recognised some of his actions were less worthy of commemoration and said the statue would be removed for now to create time for views to be aired . the uk government is coming under increasing pressure from former cabinet ministers to relax the two metre rule on social distancing in order to kick start the economy. politicians including the former conservative leader, sir iain duncan smith have warned of dire economic consequences if pubs, cafes and restaurants are unable to open fully, and urged ministers to move in line with the world health organisation s recommendation of one metre. but with around 5,000 new infections daily in the uk, the government and its medical advisers are urging caution. our assistant political editor, norman smith is at westminster. this is shaping up to be quite a row still brawling with the obvious tensions. as boris johnson in the middle of it quite frankly, because listening to the key scientists around him they are deeply cautious about easing on the two metre rule, because of their fear it could lead to another resurgence in the virus. we had sir patrick vallance the chief scientific adviser saying yesterday the r factor, the crucial reproductive factor is onlyjust below one, yes, infections are coming down but not fast enough. chris whitley the chief medical officer saying there is a long way to go. we are only halfway through this virus. they seem in no mood to countenance any easing in the two metre rule. then on the other hand we have got large sections of the tory party saying we have got to change this or else the economy is going down the pan and in particular the hospitality sector, because quite clearly many bars and cafe is and quite clearly many bars and cafe is a nd restau ra nts quite clearly many bars and cafe is and restaurants think you have a two metre rule, it is game over in terms of being able to profitably open up businesses. borisjohnson at of being able to profitably open up businesses. boris johnson at the moment seems inclined to stick with the scientists, saying yesterday that he was minded only to reduce the two metre rule when the level of infections came down and when we have an effective test and trace scheme up and under way. but he is under pressure, have a listen to the former tory iain duncan smith. former tory iain duncan smith. former tory iain duncan smith. former tory leader. our economy is facing a complete crash. the debts we re racking up on how we re supporting people, the fact that no work, or very little work, is taking place. if we don t get the economy moving, we will be unable to afford any of the things we need to do to support the public services so getting the balance right is important. and also, schooling, by the way, if we d had a one or one and a half, one metre rule for schools, it would have been much easier for them to have open. so it is the critical opponent around which everything coming out of lockdown hinges, is this two metre rule. is your sense that things will shift on this to me to roll in the coming months, is to be critically dependent on the number of infections coming down and we are just waiting for that?” infections coming down and we are just waiting for that? i think it is. if the infection rate does come down markedly and in the test and try scheme which we will get the indication really an a whether it is working this afternoon when they health secretary publishes the first set of figures so we can get our head around about how many people are actually being priced, when those two components are in place, i think the likelihood is the rules will be changed. the difficulty is this, i think the prime minister is very reluctant to game say his scientist because i have been his human shield throughout this whole crisis. how often have we heard him say when it comes a cakey decision i am following a science, similarly the labour party to have been pretty clear that they think we should be sticking to the science. this is the shadow health secretary jon sticking to the science. this is the shadow health secretaryjon ashworth this morning. the decision on the two metre rule is a judgment that has to be based on whatever scientific advice the government is receiving. obviously we don t have access to that advice on a day by day basis. but if the scientific advice to ministers is that it can be relaxed then obviously we would accept that, but i want to underline this point, it has to be based on scientific advice, not because backbench conservative mps are pressurising the government. isn t there an obvious tension here that because lockdown is being eased in various different measures, but bringing down the daily number of infections might not happen as fast as everyone wants? i think that is a very good point. the r rate, which is sort of the guiding star a policy when it comes to easing the lockdown, it does remain 0.7 0.9, andi lockdown, it does remain 0.7 0.9, and i think the real sort of difficulty we have is that in care homes, there does seem to be still a real problem and i think what the scientists fear is that there is what they call receding going on from care homes, that is to say care workers going into the homes and going out of their homes are taking the infection back into the community from care homes. and at the moment care homes are not routinely being tested, the test is available but what they want is regularly weekly tests so they can get round the problem, staff going in and out of care homes and taking it back into the community. until we address that there is a real risk that the r is not going to come down significantly. norman, thanks very much. kate nicholls is the chief executive of uk hospitality. she joins us from west london. obviously there is this debate about the social distancing rule, what is your view? the social distancing rule, we clearly have to be advised by the science and led by the science. we understand the concerns around public health, but the world health organization says it is perfectly safe to open our type of premises, with one metre and most of our international markets are also opening at one metre or 1.5 metres. for our businesses it is the difference between survival and business failure, with a two metre social distancing rule, a third of our browsers simply won t be able to reopen, that is a millionjobs our browsers simply won t be able to reopen, that is a million jobs that are at risk. it means businesses will be opening at an average revenue of 30% of the normal revenues. whereas at one metre they are opening at 70% of the normal revenues. but is at break even. it is the difference between business success , is the difference between business success, business failure and crucially it is a difference between us asking for greater government help to support these businesses, the third largest employer in the country will need to have some additional support if we can t open at less than i will come onto the the lancet study published said the risk of being infected is estimated to be 13% within one metre but only 396 to be 13% within one metre but only 3% beyond that distance. scientists advising government have said that spending six seconds at a distance of one metre is the same as spending one minute at a distance of two metres. but both the lancet and the world health organization have made clear that a business that is above one metre is safe. two metres is clearly sight. there is a precautionary principle. but we have done as an industry is to put together world class world beating protocols for infection control, cleanliness and safety, so we know we can open safely at a distance of one metre. it has been done in international markets where there has been no spike in infections as a result of reopening the hospitality business, and equally a third of our hotels have continued to drive to read to coronavirus prices looking after some of the most honourable people, health workers convalescing patients and the homeless. throughout those 12 weeks we have had no cases of covid in those hotels. our safety protocols and hygiene protocols are the best in the world. we can keep customers and staff site. that might be the case but it might be also that the people staying in hotels are very aware of the measures i need to take to be safe. it also might be that other countries have got lower infection rates and therefore they can afford to relax things a bit. surely it is just not time yet. we are not due to open for another month. this is something we would urge the government to keep under regular review. the earliest out the government has given us preopening is the 4th ofjuly, so we are talking about the processes and procedures our businesses would need to reopen after that date successfully. but if we don t get up and successfully in the right time, in the right way with the right standards, we are looking at high levels of unemployment and high levels of unemployment and high levels of unemployment and high levels of redundancy. we are already starting to see business failure is in hospitality. that will have a significant knock on effect throughout the economy and in our communities particularly those that are tourism dependent. communities particularly those that are tourism -dependent. if of course the government is able to underpin people with continued support, how long and how much does the need to be, because obviously there is a cost implication to that? there is, it is currently costing the government about £8 billion a month to keep hospitality closed, both in terms of furloughed workers and crucially in the last of the exchequer of the taxes we generate, each year hospitality and tourism goes back to the exchequer and funds vital services to the tune of £40 billion. that is the entire social ca re billion. that is the entire social care budget for a year. if we get these businesses back and running these businesses back and running the safe leak we will be able to turn our hospitality sector into a revenue generator and a supporter of the economic recovery, and others and being a drain on the public finances. without that help commit the businesses will only have weeks left before they will hit closure and it won t be able to survive beyond july. everyone completely understands incredible difficulties here but i want to put it to also that for example pubs, cafe is, anything serving alcohol, that lowers your inhibitions. i saw in my pa rt lowers your inhibitions. i saw in my part of london people standing outside, one pub, not keeping their social distance limits. there is a danger that if things are relaxed in the summer with alcohol, it, the numbers will spike again. we do need to be careful and we need to put in place to be careful and we need to put in pla ce ste ps to be careful and we need to put in place steps to make sure that doesn t happen for all of our six and we have the same interest as everybody else and making sure that infection levels are kept down low, but we avoid a second spike, so our industry best practice protocols do move towards seating, they do move towards additional control measures towards additional control measures to make sure you are not overloading either in the public realm or inside the premises, critically at the moment for pubs in response not able to open at all, people are mixing and going out and drinking in parks and going out and drinking in parks and public spaces stop it is not in and public spaces stop it is not in a managed way. our pubs, bars and response and are very well versed in dealing with social disorder problems and dealing with complicated products like alcohol and making sure that people are kept safe. it is what we do day in, day out both in terms of food and serving of alcohol. we have the robust controls in place to make sure our customers and people can be kept safe. thank you very much indeed. precisely how much distance you should leave between you and other people varies from country to country. the uk has the same two metre rule as spain and canada. that drops to one and a half metres if you are in australia, italy and germany. and then further reduces to a metre if you are in china, france or singapore. that s actually the same as the official guidance from the world health organisation which also says leave at least a metre between yourself and others to prevent the spread of coronavirus. let s speak to professor robert dingwall from nottingham trent university. he is a member of virus threats advisory group, nervtag and is a sceptic of the two metre rule. professor, i was just quoting some figures from the lancet which i m sure he will have seen about the risk of infection being 13% within one metre but only 3% beyond that distance. surely it is too soon to relax these limits. there are many problems with that lancet study, not least with the figures you are quoting, where the 13% is the top end of the range for being within half a metre, and 1.6% is the middle of the range, two metres, if you compare like for like it or something like 7% and 1.6%. the thing took to fasten on to is a difference between two metres and one metre, where you are moving from a tiny risk to a very small risk, at one metre you are looking like something like a 3% risk and you have the safety margin that is still built into that. i have been listening to the programme, much talk about following the science. the problem here is that the science is not uniform. it is contested. there are different kinds of knowledge that is owned by different groups. the knowledge about what happens between people predominantly comes from physics and engineering rather than from biomedical science. those networks are not well connected into the advisory process that the government is relying upon, and so you do have a very clear feeling in the biomedical community that two metres is desirable, you have other evidence, equally valid, equally well viewed, from the physics and engineering community that says, look, what goes on between people goes on in the complex medium of air and that disrupts transmission in ways that make one metre perfectly safe. that might be the case and obviously whilst there is sense of lots of differing and still views, isn t the government, given the british number is still being so high, better to stay on the side of caution? the government needs to balance the risks. we have heard a lot about the damage that is being caused to the economy from your previous guest and we need to recognise that lockdown is itself costing lives. you were talking i think to a cancer specialist earlier on, the more we can get society and the economy moving, the more we can address those other concerns. we talk about the number of cases and a number of deaths from covid 19, but there are also deaths from people who are going untreated for other causes. there will be more deaths down the line from the diseases, so called diseases of distress than will accompany the social and economic disruption that is going to follow over the next two to three years. we need to take all of these into the equation. if we can make a transformative difference equation. if we can make a tra nsformative difference by accepting a very small increase in a very small risk, by moving from two metres to one, i think there is a good case for considering that.“ metres to one, i think there is a good case for considering that. if i am right, your professor of sociology, you are not a scientist yourself? a sociologist of science and technology which means i understand about the different specialties in science about the distribution of knowledge within different scientific communities, and the way the networks tend to operate to break up science into these compartments, and so if knowledge is being produced out of one compartment and is not being accepted, understood or observed by another compartment, then we can now end up with mistaken policies.” understand that, and i want to quote one more figure from our science editor saying scientists, six seconds at one metre is designers out at two metres. surely if you bring down the distance, people already tend to infringe those distances, you see it in parks and public spaces and therefore you are increasing the risk of going into the summer and people are going to be out and about more and that might be out and about more and that might be separate, but they also might beat mixing in bigger groups and the government is right surely to prioritise immediate health? again it isa prioritise immediate health? again it is a question of whose immediate health are we prioritising. what we about the heart attacks and strokes and a cancer deaths that are resulting from this? one metre still builds when a significant safety margin. you don t see a major increase in risk until you are getting down to about half of that distance, which is where it is beginning to be experienced as uncomfortably beginning to be experienced as u nco mforta bly close by beginning to be experienced as uncomfortably close by most people. the calculation is about time appear to be based on experimental research thatis to be based on experimental research that is not readily generalised into any natural setting. if i doctor goes past you in the park at less than a metre jogger, that is not an exposure that carries risk. the nature of the air blows and learnt environment means that any droplets will rapidly disperse or be broken up will rapidly disperse or be broken up in ways that mean there is no risk to the other party. obviously the science is still very contested and still emerging on this, but for now, thank you very much. the australian prime minister, scott morrison, has joined a growing row involving china, saying he will never trade national values in response to coercion. china imposed a ban on australian beef and started taxing barley imports shortly after mr morrison called for inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. beijing also urged chinese students to review whether to study in australia. the bbc‘s shaimaa khalil is in sydney. these tensions have been simmering for a while now between beijing and canberra. as you say, the background to this has been when australia joined and sided with the united states calling for an inquiry into the origins of covid 19, which was first detected in china late last year. at the time, beijing dismissed that, called it politically motivated, but very soon after, imposed those tariffs on barley and the ban on beef. now we are seeing almost another level of escalation. china warning its citizens and warning its students about going to australia, citing covid 19 threats, but also saying that there have been racist incidents against asians, which there have been and there have been documented, but not at the level where a whole population of tourists and students should be stopped from coming. but really what you are seeing as well is the third and fourth and most significant exports from australia, they are responsible for billions and billions of dollars in revenue here in australia, with china being the biggest contributor to that, it does send the largest number of international students here in australia, it now has a big question mark on it. so while australian authorities, australian officials, including of course the prime minister, saying, look, we are not going to give up on our values, we are assertive about our sovereignty, about how we want to run the country and how we want to approach the pandemic and the inquiry, there is bound to be a nervousness in canberra about relations with its trading partner, because it does affect trade, it does affect tourism, and it does affect education. hello, this is bbc news. with geeta guru murthy. the headlines: uk cancer charities fear a ‘devastating effect as new figures show a 60% drop in urgent referrals for cancer care in england during the pandemic. 60% is a very significant drop, and that s because partly people are too frightened to come forward to go to their gps. and secondly, the diagnostic service has collapsed. ministers in the uk are warned of dire economic consequences if they don t ease the two metre social distancing rule in england. an easing of the lockdown from saturday new support bubbles mean people living alone and single parents in england will be allowed to stay in another person s house. at least two million people in the us are recorded as having coronavirus. infections are rising in 20 states, as restrictions continue to be relaxed. another statue targeted us protestors pull down a confederate monument in virginia, as president trump rejects calls to remove pro slavery figures and symbols. and here in the uk, the statue of british slave owner edward colston is recovered after being thrown into bristol s harbour. it s being made into a museum exhibit. and the harry potter authorjk rowling reveals she experienced domestic abuse and sexual assault in her 20s. the killing of george floyd in the us has led to an examination of the uk s history towards the black community. we saw demonstrators tear down the statue of slave trader edward colston in bristol on sunday. and the future of other monuments to britain s colonial past are now under review. before lockdown britain s royal shakespeare company showcased a play called the whip telling the untold stories of britain s slave trade past. with me is the playwright juliet gilkes romero who wrote the whip. thank you forjoining us. it has been obviously a very difficult few days for many people on all sides of the debate in many ways. you wrote your play. how difficult was it first of all to get that staged and tell us what the key theme of it was. the key thing was abolition and how that was achieved by the compensation of slave owners. i worked with the royal shakespeare company and they commissioned me to write a play about this, which i then researched in the house of commons library, i read hansard from 1833, so a lot of the scenes that flit between private scenes, private domestic scenes and the house of commons, a lot of that was driven by factual evidence of what i was reading. i also applied for the freedom of information act to confirm that 40% of the country s national budget around 1833 was used to pay slave owners to give up their property. so slave owners became fa ntastically property. so slave owners became fantastically rich because of this. but part of the abolition bill, there was a clause about forcing the freed slaves to work as unpaid apprentices, so not only did slave owners make fantastic amount of money through compensation, they then received the free labour of theirformer property. so then received the free labour of their former property. so for example, the father of glasgow made the modern equivalent of £83 million because of the amount of slaves he owned. gladstone. in a sense this country was remortgaged to pay for this because british taxpayers didn t finish paying off this compensation amount until 2015. that s an extraordinary figure isn t it, to realise it had such long repercussions. in terms of what we have seen for the last few days, the tearing down of statues and the calls for change, how important do you think these visible symbols are compared to calls for change in employment and equality and so on that are coming right across society? what is happening now is as a result of what we have been seeing in america, the murder of george floyd. it basically means that people are looking for racial and social justice. there is unemployment and large concerns about how this country climbs out of covert covid 19 lockdown but we have to respond to current events. my have to respond to current events. my feeling is that if people are not educated about the past, they will not understand what happened on sunday when edward colston s statue came down. he was defended as a philanthropist because of his la rg esse philanthropist because of his largesse and philanthropist because of his la rgesse and ability philanthropist because of his largesse and ability to help build schools and almshouses in bristol was economically driven by the money he made from the abduction of millions of slaves, several thousand, some 20,000 who died in his boats as they were taken to the americas. what happened on sunday as a shock for a lot of people because they don t know the history. and u nless they don t know the history. and unless people know the history they can t empathise or understand what s happening. absolutely. juliet, i m so sorry we are out of time, but you are absolutely right, people are learning about the history as we speak. i m sure your play is part of that change and movement and hopefully people can catch up with it again when things start to reopen. thanks very much, juliet gilkes romero. we can speak more on the psychological consequences we have been seeing in the last few days. we have heard a lot and seen a lot of protesters and people are writing about their thoughts and reactions to what has been going on in the us and the reverberations have been global. let s speak to clinical psychologist dr roberta babb now. thank you forjoining us. what are you seeing? are you getting people coming to you to talk about their thoughts in the last few days?” suppose i had a recent surge in enquiries for therapy but a lot of my new clients are talking about the distress they are feeling, the pain they are feeling, the confusion, there is anger and hurt and a real sense of grief and loss, but also a real sense of not having control and feeling helpless, and also unsafe and uncertain. so many things going on which really feels traumatic and people are trying to make sense of something that is happening in the here and now but is so connected to the past as well. and if people think, what do you mean? why are people feeling this so badly? this was one horrific event which happened in one part of the us. and yet it has affected people viscerally here. what is it that people are saying to you? why has this event been so incredibly disturbing? i think it was disturbing? i think it was disturbing because of the graphic nature of it. there is lots of video recordings going around so people are not having second or third hand accou nts are not having second or third hand a ccou nts of are not having second or third hand accounts of what actually happened, they are being able to witness it themselves which is very distressing. there is also a sense that just because it distressing. there is also a sense thatjust because it happened in america doesn t mean something similar is not happening here. i think it s also about people than getting contact with the experiences they have witnessed or even had done to them while being at the uk that we have our own history and relationship with racism. that s really important. it has been more something that has disturbed and really stirred up something, but it really stirred up something, but it really is something that is connected because people that look like you are being affected due to racial inequality and racial violence. are you sensing any sense of relief that at least some people feel they can talk about some of this more openly, whether it is in the workplace or with friends or family? yes. but again, that feels like a sort of double bind because it s a very good to talk but also talking can feel very risky. what people are feeling relieved about is that the conversations are wider. this is global, notjust within pockets, it is notjust one part of the population s problem, it is a global issue. so i think people are feeling quite relieved that they can talk about it. but that talking about it can still come with anxiety and fears because there is a sense sometimes of racial gas lighting where the experiences of black and ethnic minority people are somehow being minimised or discounted. it is the sort of thing we kinda find our way through but people are talking, which is good, but people are hurting and they have a lot of emotional responses to this end it does very traumatic. dr roberta babb, thank you very much indeed. the harry potter authorjk rowling has revealed how she experienced domestic abuse and sexual assault, in an essay defending her comments on transgender issues. it comes after she was accused of transphobia or discrimination against transgender people following a series of controversial tweets. nick beake s report contains some flashing images. apart from the occasional premieres for herfilms, jk rowling prefers to stay out of the limelight. but now, after being accused of transphobia, she says she has to speak up and has revealed deeply personal experiences. in a long essay, she describes her first marriage as violent and says she suffered a very serious sexual assault in her 20s. she doesn t identify her attacker. it s a reference to what she calls the relentless attacks on social media she s received after tweeting about the importance of biological sex. actor daniel radcliffe, who made his name in the harry potter films, spoke out, saying transgender women are women, and hoping thatjk rowling s comments would not taint the harry potter series for fans. and eddie redmayne, who stars in the harry potter spin off fantastic beasts, also disagreed with her. jk rowling hopes people will see why her own experience compels her to speak out on sex and gender issues. nick beake, bbc news. now on bbc news it s time for your questions answered. still getting lots of questions coming in to the newsroom on what is going on at the moment. the virologist and broadcaster dr chris smithjoins us now and will answer some of your questions on support social bubbles. ijust want i just want to start with this whole two metres distancing rout that is still going on. can you just explain exactly what the current rule is and what is the science, the clear, confirmed science behind it? we know that the coronavirus is a respiratory infection, in other words, when you cough, sneeze or even just breathe, you are blowing out particles. those are droplets of water from your airways where the virus grows. and in those droplets will be virus particles and those particles will travel a certain distance away from you, and if someone is standing within the distance that those particles can reach they could breathe them in and they could catch the infection. so they could catch the infection. so the further you stand from an infected person the lower the likelihood is that you are going to encounter an infectious dose of the virus and pick it up. at two metres, we think, but this is based on data published in the last lancet medical journal, published in the last lancet medicaljournal, we think the risk is about 1.3%. at one metre that risk actually doubles to 2.6%. so it isn t a huge number, it is certainly a lot smaller than the about 13% if you are closer than a metre but it is not zero. we started with a cautious two metres, but many people are saying it is difficult to run businesses can operate schools, have some semblance of normality in life with a two metres distance so one metre seems to be a reasonable compromise between risk and practicality. ok, thanks very much for that. obviously lots of use depending on where you re coming from on that one. i want to move on to of these questions on the new social support bubble advice. a question firstly from moira. if two people shielding in a separate household who are relatives and one lives alone for example my mother, can she stay in my house with myself, my husband and my son? this isa myself, my husband and my son? this is a tricky one, this one, and i have full sympathy. the issue is if you are shielding you are shielding for a reason and the current guidance is that because people who are shielding and being asked to shield at very high risk relative to the general population, the guidance for them has not currently changed. so people who are shielding should stay shielding, they shouldn t form these support bubbles at this stage. borisjohnson did these support bubbles at this stage. boris johnson did so these support bubbles at this stage. borisjohnson did so yesterday more information will be coming out shortly for people who are shielding but for now the guidance remains in place. you shouldn t change your shielding status. let me just ask matt lynn says i live in a household with my husband and older children, my dad and father in law are both widows and live at home on their own, do we have to choose between them to form a support bubble? another tricky one at a sorry situation and they have my sympathy. but the answer is, you do have to choose between them because they are separate households and the current guidance is you can form a support bubble between two households, and exclusively those two units, and by household we mean one of those households is a household with just one person in it, so you would have to choose between the two of them and thenjust to choose between the two of them and then just form that exclusive relationship with one of those individuals. or the other way of looking at it is, if they live close to each other, perhaps they could form a support bubble between each other and help each other out, that is another possibility. john asks if someone lives in a house of multiple occupancy but have no contact with others in the house, andi no contact with others in the house, and i classed as a single person and therefore can i form a bubble with my girlfriend? a good example of this would be students who are renting a house together and they have each got a room in that house but they don t actually live as a family. but as far as the interpretation of this would go, that probably constitutes actually a shared household because you are sharing a kitchen, sharing a bathroom, sharing other living spaces, therefore you are effectively a household, you are not a person living alone. if you had a flat that was a self contained flat ina shared flat that was a self contained flat in a shared building that s a bit different, but in this circumstance it does sound like it is a group of people who may not have much contact but they are nevertheless living together and for the purposes of this guidance would be regarded as a household and therefore that is not a household with just one person household and therefore that is not a household withjust one person in it. so they have to stay distanced. the point about kitchens and bathrooms are obvious places where the virus and anything can spread much more easily, i suppose. theresa wa nts to much more easily, i suppose. theresa wants to know, can i have my grandson overnight? i am a single grandparent living on the ground floor of my own house. however, i have a lodger who lives on the second floor. again, this is sort of similarto second floor. again, this is sort of similar to the previous question, isn t it? if you have a lodger who isn t it? if you have a lodger who is in their own accommodation with their own front door and they keep themselves to themselves, there is no day to day contact between the two individuals, you could regard that as effectively two separate households. on the other hand, if there are shared facilities, shared living environments, that s one then household from an infectious transmission point of view and really that doesn t fit within the scope of this law. you might not be able to answer this one, it is an anonymous question. i currently live with two adult children while my partner of long standing lives with his two adult children. when will we be able to meet without social distancing? well, we don t know at the moment but for now what we are able to do is to go out in groups of up able to do is to go out in groups of up to six people, meet in an open space, so you can still meet as long as you observe social distancing. but at the moment it is only within your own household that you can actually give people a hug, for example. so for now, that hasn t changed. another very difficult one anonymously but has come in, what about grieving parents? my husband andi about grieving parents? my husband and i suffered massively since the death of our six day old son. both suffering from ptsd. can we meet with another household for the support we both desperately need for our mental health? i m very sorry to hear that story. ptsd means post traumatic stress disorder and this is where people get very harrowing flashbacks and recollections to what has happened to them. it can be very, very frightening and very disabling. having good support is really, really important. the problem is that these two individuals are wanting to get together with other individuals from other households and this would be households meeting. this doesn t really fulfil the remit of support bubbles at this time. so the only thing they could perhaps explore our online support groups, or get together on an online forum, for example, talk to each other over an electronic munication is platform. at the moment there is no scope for people in that situation, awful as it is, getting together unfortunately. obviously people can meet outside but that isn t always the same. no. that is very difficult. anna asks i m a single parent working from home and would like to be in a bubble with my pa rents would like to be in a bubble with my parents who are over 70 and live 100 miles away. can they come and use the flat they own near my house? this is how they support me during normal times? anna says she is a single parent looking after a minor, and therefore she is completely within the scope of this guidance, which is that she can form a support bubble with her parents. they are allowed to travel wherever they like and if they come to stay in that house and it is exclusively their house and it is exclusively their house they stay in then there is nothing to stop them doing that and they are providing that important support for her. i think that s absolutely fine, in my view. ok, chris, those are some of the questions we have had on the social bubble question. if i could come back to the whole two metres and one metre argument dominating the political front a bit today, can metre argument dominating the politicalfront a bit today, can i just ask about some stats that we have that the scientists advising the government have said in the past that spending six seconds at a distance of one metre is the same are spending one minute at a distance of two metres. people will not be timing the interactions and don t necessarily stick to the exact distances anyway. what is your own sense about where the government should be saying it is wise to wait until the infection rate comes down to relax these rules? viruses don t have sto pwatches to relax these rules? viruses don t have stopwatches and take measures and where these numbers come from is that it and where these numbers come from is thatitis and where these numbers come from is that it is all a numbers game, we know that you need to get what is called an infectious dose to pick up the virus. that infectious dose for this coronavirus is pretty low, perhaps as low as 20 virus particles in order to guarantee that a person is going to get infected. the further you are away from someone, or the more fleeting your contact with them, the lower the likelihood that you are going to pick up the infection. thejudgment that you are going to pick up the infection. the judgment we that you are going to pick up the infection. thejudgment we have that you are going to pick up the infection. the judgment we have to make is what will that do if we do shrink that distance to the numbers of cases and can we cope with that increase in numbers of cases and those other sorts of judgments increase in numbers of cases and those other sorts ofjudgments the government will have to make. many other countries in europe have changed their guidance. our original two metres a cautioned one, well reasoned and cautious and other countries are getting on ok at one metre. i suspect there probably will bea metre. i suspect there probably will be a reduction down to one metre because it is more practical but there is no reason why if we started with one metre and we seek movement in the wrong direction we couldn t reverse that and perhaps do that originally in parts of the country where we see flare ups. i guess we will just have where we see flare ups. i guess we willjust have to wait and see. politicians have warned it is quite difficult to go backwards in a sense. what is the latest confirmed science as we have it on this presymptomatic transmission where i m walking around now feeling absolutely fine but i come down with it tomorrow? i am at my most infectious right now, aren t i, in the two or three days before i m not well? there are two things that we have really learned from this pandemic which have made a huge contribution to its success in terms of spreading around the world and infecting so many people. one of them is that people become really very infectious before they get any symptoms. and two is they may not get symptoms at all. with most infections, your symptoms peek alongside the infection and in this case it is different. people are getting two or three days, probably two days, before they get any symptoms and a peak in infectivity which means they can be wandering around passing it on without realising they are doing so. but an appreciable number, may be half the cases who catch this, may have no symptoms whatsoever and that makes it even harder to track down who has actually got it. and to keep a lid on it. very quickly, if you re infectious for two days before you become ill come on the test, track and trace strategy, should people be checking for contacts two days before they are not well? there will before they are not well? there will be an envelope of the period when a person might therefore be able to pass it on and that s taken into account with the track and trace system to make sure we cover the people who will potentially have been exposed to an infected individual where one is picked up. the bigger worry isn t me dunnock we might miss after people because they have not got symptoms, the whole thing is driven by people who have symptoms. thank you very much. in a moment we ll have the latest headlines from around the world. you re watching bbc news. now it s time for a look at the weather with matt taylor. hello, north west scotland is one of the sunniest and driest spots over the sunniest and driest spots over the next few days, suncheon elsewhere but a fairly changeable weather story coming up, certainly for the next couple of days england and wales are seeing windy conditions develop, turning more humid into the weekend, you will notice when the sun comes out but there will be the threat throughout of some thundery showers including today across parts of central and southern england and where is. brightest and driest conditions in scotla nd brightest and driest conditions in scotland and northern ireland. there will be sunshine breaking through the cloud elsewhere but it stays wet for much of the day in the channel islands, those thunderstorms by the afternoon across south wales and south western parts of england, a bit brighter but stronger gale force winds bring in more persistent rains of the north east of england later in the day, a bit more cloud through the borders and eastern parts of northern ireland. much of scotland and northern ireland dry and bright with sunshine, low some cloud close to orkney and shetland and tempe does not far from where they should be. heavy rain to end the day across the north east of england spreading across other parts of northern england, north wales and northern ireland and even southern scotland through the night, staying wet across the channel islands. away from those areas, most will be dry, low cloud in the north east of scotland, giving a great day on friday, most temperatures in double figures as we start the day. one wet area a cross figures as we start the day. one wet area across northern england towards northern ireland to begin friday, turning wetter in eastern scotland later on. the rain in the channel islands will spread northwards across southern england and the midlands and south wales later, rumbles of thunder with that. either side there will be breaks in the cloud, a little bit of sunshine lifting temperatures into the low 20s, the best sunshine sheltered from the north east breeze across western parts of scotland. the breeze will clear the rain away from the likes of wales and the south west later but low pressure is close by into this weekend, so there will be some further downpours and with winds flowing anticlockwise around, we will bring in ever more humid airupfrom around, we will bring in ever more humid air up from the near continent. for saturday, and more rainfor continent. for saturday, and more rain for parts of northern england and southern scotland and northern ireland. the heaviest rain across the north east of england. scattered thunderstorms break out across england and wales, bit of sunshine in between, temperature 24, 25 motorised again in western scotland, as it will be on sunday. temperatures into the mid 20s here. low cloud throughout the weekend in north east scotland and north east england, and like saturday, the midlands and wales could see scattered thunderstorms and a humid feel for everyone. bye for now. 01:59:05,074 > 2147483052:36:17,252 and still emerging on this, but for 2147483052:36:17,252 > 4294966103:13:29,430 now, thank you very much.
temperature taken before they can head into the hotel. thank you for watching tonight at 6:00. live coverage of the protests continues right now on cbsn bay captioning sponsored by cbs o donnell: tonight, we are here in minneapolis where hundreds have gathered to pay tribute to george floyd. there were those who mourned, and there were those who spoke out. it s time for us to stand up in george s name and say, get your knee off our necks! o donnell: as people everywhere, from new york to london to beirut, gathered to remember. clashes with police: law enforcement in new york under fire after images show aggressive tactics to disperse peaceful protesters. and more police officers are violently attacked. breaking news on the ahmaud arbery case: the man charged with the killing of a georgia jogger is accused of yelling racial expletives after shooting him. the latest tonight in the investigation. trump versus the generals: tonight, what the president s former chief of staff, general john kelly, is saying about the blistering critique of former defense secretary general james mattis. open for business: crowds hitting the casinos as las vegas reopens in a big way, even as cases rise in 19 states. a mural for justice: steps away from where george floyd died, we speak to the artists who brought hope to a community in need. and, a conversation wth community leaders here about a moment they say has already changed us as a country. this is the cbs evening news with norah o donnell, reporting tonight from minneapolis. o donnell: good evening, and thank you for joining us. it has been a day of raw emotion here in minneapolis as this city and the country, mourned a man whose death has inspired a movement. we are witnessing it right now. tonight, we are just steps away from where george floyd died 10 nights ago, as minneapolis police officers pressed their knees into his neck and body. and as we visited with members of the community today, we were struck by how many people now come to this corner every day to reflect on what happened and to call for change. today was the first of several services for george floyd, and as he was being eulogized by civil rights leaders, in washington, hundreds gathered at the martin luther king jr. memorial. tonight, the protests andgrg las lifting curfews after mostly peaceful demonstrations. at the same time today, in two courtrooms, we saw just how floyd s death is forcing this country to confront painful truths about the treatment of african americans. here in minneapolis, three police officers charged with aiding and abetting murder in floyd s death were in court, while in georgia, there was a stunning development in the death of ahmaud arbery, who was shot while jogging in his neighborhood. today, investigators told a judge the man accused of killing arbery stood over his body and called him a racial epithet. well, there s a lot of news to get to tonight, and our team of correspondents is standing by. cbs jeff pegues is here with me and is going to lead off our coverage. it was amazing just to see the family come through here and this crowd give them an enormous amount of respect. reporter: it was quite the sight to see. and the memorial service today, norah, it was george floyd s goodbye to minneapolis, a city he had moved to in search of a better opportunity. the nearly two-hour service celebrated who he was, but alson he die it was a day filled with emotional moments. the minneapolis police chief kneeling as george floyd s hearse arrived. a distraught mayor weeping at the golden casket. reporter: floyd s siblings spoke lovingly about their big brother, who they called perry. everybody wants justice. we want justice for george. he s going to get it. he s going to get it. reporter: the reverend al sharpton addressed the socially distanced crowd, calling floyd s death a symbol of black americans plight. it s time for us to stand up in george s name and say, get your knee off our necks. the reason why we are marching all over the world is, we were like george we couldn t breathe. not because there was something wrong with our lungs, but because you wouldn t take your knee off our neck! rights leaders, and celebrities like kevin hart, ludacris, and tiffany haddish, all came to the city where floyd wanted to start a new life, to honor him and say goodbye. as the community mourned, the three officers accused of aiding in floyd s death appeared before a judge. wearing orange jumpsuits, fired officers thomas lane, alexander kueng, and tou thao listened as the charges were read. i cannot breathe. reporter: while derek chauvin pressed his knee into floyd s deck, lane and king applied pressure to his back and legs. according to a criminal report, a minute after floyd became unresponsive, lane said, you want to roll him on his side? kueng checked for a pulse, and said, i couldn t find one. according to personnel files released today, chauvin had at least two letters of reprimand, and he worked as a security guard at the same restaurant where floyd was also a bouncer. floyd s brother philonise says chauvin should be charged with first-degree murder. is it possible chauvin knew exactly who george floyd was, and that this was personal in some ways? i would think it was personal. reporter: you think it is? i think it is. reporter: what gives you that impression? if i m working in the club and i m the officer, i see everybody going in. i see everybody coming out. so, of course it was premeditated. reporter: you think it was. i think it was. reporter: today s tribute was for a man the world learned about just 10 days ago, and now, his name is fueling a movement. floyd family attorney benjamin crump: do not cooperate with evil. protest against evil. join the young people in the streets protesting against the evil, the inhumane, the torturea video!nell: and, jeff, you since the beginning of this, from the protests, now the memorial service. have you noticed the tensions easing? reporter: well, sure. initially, obviously, this was a crime scene, so it was natural to see anger and frustration. now, look at it, this large diverse crowd. they are celebrating life here. but they re also, norah, planning for action. o donnell: and saying his name. george floyd. say his name! george floyd! o donnell: thank you, jeff. in the past 24 hours, peaceful protests across the country have far outnumbered incidents of violence stemming from the killing of george floyd. in new york today, thousands turned out to remember george flki woyvengale r oklbrthoo bridge, chanting his name. quite a contrast after a night of unrest in the city where police and protesters were in sometimes-violent clashes. jericka duncan has been covering the protests from the beginning, and she joins us again there tonight. jericka. reporter: that s right. we ve been talking to protesters all day long. we walked about two miles to this location. they said today is really about reflecting on the injustice in this country, also asking that important question of, where do we go from here? oryd. you are not alone. you are not alone. reporter: including his younger brother terrence. thank god for your show of love for my brother. reporter: it was a day of remembrance, a cry for further action. where were you when cops were killing people unarmed? where were you when our educational system was broken? where were you when we needed jobs? now, you care about people s lives! reporter: among the crowd today, 72-year-old gloria sellers. to me all of this is just a continuation of everything that we have been fighting for, for years and decades. reporter: it s the ninth day of nationwide protests. thousands more marched peacefully in los angeles. people all over the world are joining in condemning this abuse of human rights. reporter: .while others quietly prayed outside the national cathedral in washington, d.c. nationwide, wednesday was the calmest the streets have been this week. curfews have now been lifted in salt lake city, san francisco, and los angeles. don t shoot! reporter: while most protestn things got out of control in brooklyn, new york. police aggressively used their batons to physically move a large crowd of protesters. but in long beach, california, police announced today they are investigating this photo, where you can see an officer pointing a weapon at a man holding his two-year-old son on his shoulders. many of these protesters i spoke to say they plan to be out here past the city s 8:00 p.m. curfew. today, the mayor of the city s largest city or, excuse me the mayor of the nation s largest city, bill de blasio, spoke at the tribute for floyd. he was booed, norah, and people even turned their back on him. o donnell: jericka duncan in new york city tonight. thank you. tonight, republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska says she s struggling with her support for president trump after seeing comments from former defensettin him. tonight, she says she feels we re reaching a point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally about the president. the comments come as the president is facing what d.c. police say could be one of the largest protests in the city s history. cbs paula reid is at the white house tonight. paula. reporter: norah, the president s emphasis on law and order and his threats to deploy the military to handle protests, like the one this weekend, all part of an effort to appeal to his base, at a time when his support is slipping not just among voters but also among current and former defense officials.he whihouse s not stog military officials. secretary of defense mark esper is still on the job today, even after he rejected the president s threat to use active-duty military to police the protests. president trump lashed out at his first defense secretary, general james mattis, calling him the world s most overrated general, after mattis said wednesday night, donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the american people. instead, he tries to divide us. tonight, general john kelly, the president s former chief of staff, backed mattis, calling him an honorable man, and the president s twitter attack nasty. mattis is the fourth former military leader to speak out against president trump s tactics. he was commended for his remarks by some republicans on capitol hill. well, general mattis letter was stunning and powerful. repor of response to the protests. the national guard presence in washington has grown to nearly 5,000 with almost 1,000 active- duty troops also waiting in the wings just outside the district. with another huge protest scheduled for saturday, attorney general bill barr defended the administration s controversial approach, including the removal of peaceful protesters for a presidential photo-op. i think the president should be able to walk outside the white house and walk across the street to the church of presidents. reporter: recent polls show the president s public approval rating dropping, and the economy continues to slump, with nearly 1.9 million americans filing jobless claims last week. those economic numbers are a great concern to the president and his campaign. they met here at the white house today to discuss strategy, and a senior campaign official tells cbs news the president has been worried about his polling, and today, spoke at length about how to attract black voters. norah. o donnell: paula reid at the white house tonight. paula, thank you. the story of george floyd has energized a nation of young people, and nowhere more than here in minneapolis. what we saw today was a community coming together and crying out for change. it s still happening right now behind me, as you can see. but as two historians from the university of minnesota told us, the road won t be easy. say his name! george floyd! o donnell: kendrick benson turned 28 today, and all he wants for his birthday, he says, is justice. when you saw the video of what happened to george floyd, how did that affect you? at this point, you almost get numb to it. it s a deep numbness, because you feel hopeless. you re like, you can t do nothing to stop it and it won t be able to it could be you. reporter: benson grew up here in minneapolis. what s his name? george floyd! o donnell: despite a curfew, the ministry leader rallied protesters at the site of floyd s death, his first protest ever. we re grieving! we re hurt! we have the right to hurt! now, i think when we have the world s attention it s time to make a demand that s serious, a demand that literally they have to meet, that will change the world. this is a new civil rights movement. o donnell: keith mayes is a professor at the university of minnesota. john wright is retired from the school and both specialize in african american studies. why do you describe this as a powder keg waiting to explode? because the injustices are systemic. they are long-standing. they go back many decades. this is a powder keg because this is the last time that i think the community is going to sit idly by without systematic change. o donnell: minnesota has one of the largest racial gaps in the country. the poverty among african americans here is nearly four times that of whites. in minneapolis, black people are seven times more likely to have a violent police encounter than whites. one hopes for a systemic change. one cannot underestimate the barriers to achieving it. o donnell: but kendrick benson is optimistic. what do you hope comes from this? to be honest, this is what s coming from it. this is different than anything you ve ever seen happening here before. this is what s coming. the change is here. o donnell: and what we saw here today was people kneeling together, raising their fists together, and saying george floyd s name together in the hope of change. well, tonight, we are also learning new details about the final moments of ahmaud arbery, the 25-year-old black man who was shot and killed while jogging in georgia. at a court hearing for the three men charged with murdering arbery, investigators stunned the courtroom saying one of the suspects called arbery by a racial epithet after allegedly shooting him. cbs omar villafranca reports. what do we want? justice! reporter: outside, the crowd chanted for justice. travis and gregory mcmichael watched on video conference while inside the courtroom, state investigator richard dial told a judge new details about the deadly february 23 confrontation. william roddie bryan, who recorded the shooting and is also charged with murder, told investigators, shortly after travis mcmichael shot arbery three times, he heard travis utter a racial slur. reporter: investigators also revealed, in arbery s final moments, he was running for his life. and he ran until he couldn t run anymore, and it was turn his back to a man with a shotgun, or, or fight with his bare hands against a man with a shotgun. he chose to fight. reporter: dial said the chase started when the father and son, as well as bryan, tried repeatedly to block arbery with their trucks after they saw him running from a house under construction. they thought he was a burglar. prosecutors say the 25-year-old was just jogging through the neighborhood. the department of justice is also looking into possible federal hate crimes in this case. as for the three suspects, the judge ordered that they remain in jail. norah. o donnell: omar villafranca, thank you. and there is still much more news ahead on tonight s cbs evening news. the las vegas strip is back in business, with some noticeable changes in light of the pandemic. later, channeling grief into hope we ll meet the artists whose work is helping a community heal. now might not be the best time to ask yourself, are my bones strong? 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from the edd on your unemployment benefits. we ll be here every day at 3:00 tu liveand on live stream tonight, new reporting on the former police officer, derek chauvin, charged in the murder of george floyd in minneapolis. what we did not know about a plea deal that fell apart. prosecutors confirming chow vin was negotiating a guilty plea to local and federal charges, so, what changed? as george floyd s brother appears before congress today, saying his brother did not deserve to die over $20. and what he said when asked if he believed his brother s killing was premeditated. also tonight, as we come on the air, the urgent hunt for a gunman who opened fire on a police station. investigators do believe the shootings are connected. residents ordered to shelter in place. and what authorities have just revealed tonight. after military leaders said the time has come to discuss changing names of u.s. military bases named after confederate leaders, tonight, president trump saying this will not happen, saying they are part of a great american heritage. and nascar late today revealing they are now banning the confederate flag. the coronavirus here in the u.s. alarming news tonight involving the spike in cases right now across more than 20 states. some hospitals told to enact emergency plans. and some authorities now talking about a potential for a stay at home order again. and the race for a vaccine tonight. tens of thousands of americans now volunteering to be injected with experimental vaccines. so, what could this mean about timing for a vaccine here in the u.s.? the voting chaos in georgia overnight. voters in lines well after sundown. some in line for six hours or more. what caused this and what does it mean with the presidential election just five months away? and there is breaking news tonight in the case of those two missing siblings. the discovery on that property and what their heartbroken grandparents are now saying. and we pay tribute tonight to a renowned debate coach, eight decades at texas southern university. tonight, right here, his students on what he would expect from them in this moment. good evening and it s great to have you with us on a wednesday night. we re back from houston tonight, where thousands came from all over to pay their respects to george floyd, his family, remembering him as a gentle man, a loving father, an imperfect man, but saying his name will now stand for the push for change, for justice. and tonight, what we did knnot know about the officer charged with murder now. how close was he to a plea deal, and why did it fall apart? and on capitol hill today, one of george floyd s brothers telling lawmakers, enough is enough. pleading with them to stop the pain of police brutality. breaking down, asking, what was his brother s life worth? we have learned prosecutors and that former officer, derek chauvin, were closing in on charges until the day before his arrest. chauvin now faces up to 40 years behind bars if convicted on all charges. and tonight, as we come on the air, an urgent hunt now for a man who opened fire on a police station. we have it all covered for you. we re going to begin with abc s alex perez in minneapolis again tonight. reporter: tonight, the stunning revelation, as prosecutors mulled charges against fired minneapolis police officer derek chauvin, he was angling for a deal to plead guilty on federal civil rights charges and to murdering george floyd. as prosecutors were walking up to the podium on may 28th, the deal had just fallen apart. another development that i could tell you about. unfortunately, we don t at this point. reporter: chauvin charged with third degree murder the next day, upgraded to second degree the following week. mr. floyd, what do you hope to tell the committee today? justice for george. you don t do that to a human being. you don t do that to an animal. his life mattered. all our lives matter. black lives matter. i just wish wish i could get him back. those officers, they get to l e live. for him to do something like that, it had to be premeditated and he wanted to do that. intentional? yes, sir. reporter: and tonight, those chants of the streets turning into demands for reform. minneapolis police chief faced with the possibility his department could be disbanded, unveiling his own plans for change today, revealing the department will no longer negotiate their current contract with the police union and new, real-time technology to track cops accused of misconduct and intervene. chauvin had 18 complaints against him, but was only disciplined twice. under the new rules what would have happened to someone like chauvin, who had all these complaints? we could have intervened much earlier, if there were problematic behaviors brought to our attention right away, we could have made appropriate measures. reporter: back on capitol hill, george floyd s brother demanding more accountability from officers. george wasn t hurting anyone that day. he didn t deserve to die over $20. i m asking you, is that what a black man is worth? $20? this is 2020. enough is enough. powerful testimony. we here the demonstrators behind you tonight, alex. and we know there s late word that one of the other officers who was charged in this case, thomas lane, we remember, he was on his fourth shift as an officer that night, a rookie, there s news on him this evening? reporter: well, david, according to jail records, former officer thomas lane was released from jail just a short time ago, late this afternoon. he posted $750,000 bail and has been released. you ll remember that s the officer who in court shifted blame towards the veteran officer on the scene that night, derek chauvin. now, as for the changes here at the minneapolis police department, the chief tells me, today was just the beginning. he expects to make several announcements in the weeks ahead. david? all right, alex perez, thank you. and as i mentioned at the top tonight, there is an urgent hunt at this hour for a gunman who fired on a police station in california, shooting a deputy in the face and then a body found a mile away, someone shot dead. authorities do believe it s related. that community put on lockdown. reporiglice oilng. reporter: police describing the shooter as a male in his 20s or 30s. they re urging residents to shelter in place. gunfire erupting early this morning around 3:15 a.m. in downtown paso robles. the pd is advising they can hear gunfire coming from the east side of their station. reporter: the gunman shot and wounded a sheriff s deputy in front of the station. taking gunfire. at the dmv! copy. taking gunfire on ninth street at the dmv. keeps shooting at us! gunfire is coming from a soh. reporter: around 7:00 a.m., police discovered the body of a man near an amtrak station less than a mile away from the police department. the victim was shot in the head from close range and believe the shooting is connected. within the past couple of minutes, authorities released a picture of the gunman. they say, without a doubt, he set out to kill police officers and this is the third time that members of law enforcement have been ambushed here in california in just the past couple of weeks. david? the scene playing out tonight. will, thank you. we have been reporting here on the growing pressure across this country, from demonstrators and supporters, to take down confederate symbols. tonight, late word nascar is taking action, banning the confederate flag at all nascar events. driver bubba wallace wearing a t-shirt i can t breathe in recent days. u.s. military leaders have expressed a willingness to discuss renaming bases named after confederate generals. but tonight, president trump says that won t happen. saying they are part of a great american heritage. here s our chief white house correspondent jonathan karl. reporter: president trump today firmly shot down the idea of changing the names of military bases named after confederate generals, tweeting, quote, my administration will not even consider the renaming of these magnificent and fabled military insulations. in case anybody missed his tweets, he dispatched his press secretary to read his words allowed. these very powerful bases have become part of a great american heritage and a history of winning, victory and freedom. reporter: it comes just after thannounced, the secretary of defense and the secretary of the army are open to a bipartisan discussion on the topic. around the country, signs of the confederacy are coming down. now nascar is announcing a ban on confederate flags at all event. tonight, racing star bubba wallace car will bear the words black lives matter. there are ten u.s. army bases named after confederate soldiers. among those calling for that to change is retired general david petraeus, who boat in the atlantic of the, quote, irony of training at bases named for those who took up arms against the united states and for the right to enslave others. he added, we do not live in a country to which braxton bragg, henry l. benning or robert repd lee can serve as an inspiration. acknowledging this is imperative. the president wouldn t answer questions today on his decision. while the white house makes an impassioned defense of bases named for pro-slavery confederate soldiers, the president has yet to propose any specific reforms of police practices in the wake of george floyd s death. on cop toll hill, republicans have tasked the only african-american republican senator to take the lead in coming up with a plan. we should all want to follow the lead as it relates, to, a, making sure we get something acomplained, and not just having pieces of legislation they are for show. reporter: the white house press secretary said today the president is working, quote, quietly and diligently, to come up with a plan to address the concerns of the protesters, but we have heard nothing specific. the ideaitg eye by most police officers. that s an idea that democrats and some republicans say would make it easier to hold the police accountable for their actions. david? jon karl live at the white house. jon, thank you. i want to get right to martha raddatz tonight, because martha, the army said the defense secretary was, in fact, open to discussing renaming military bases named after con fed rat generals, but you heard what the president said today, essentially saying this won t happen. so, where does it stand tonight? reporter: well, david, the decision is technically up to an assistant secretary of the army, but given what trump has said, that would likely be professional suicide. but as you know, it was just last week that secretarial of defense mark esper spoke out publicly against the president s threat to use active duty military to quell protests and there has also been a growing chorus of retired military officers blasting trump s decision-making, so, you can t rule out the base names changing, but for now, that seems unlikely, david. all right, martha, thank you. now, the news this evening on the coronavirus, the number of cases spiking in several states across this country. and there s news tonight on a potential vaccine. tens of thousands of ams volunteeo get injected wi penal horizon. so, what could this mean for any timeline for the rest of the country? here s matt gutman on that. reporter: tonight, the u.s. government saying tens of thousands of volunteers will soon receive injections with one of three of experimental vaccines. those injections are part of third phase of vaccine trials, the stage before possible approval. and dr. anthony fauci now saying there are no garn teens, but he s cautiously optimistic about at least one of them working. we could have a vaccine either by the end of this calendar year or in the first few months of 2021. reporter: moderna beginning phase three trials in july, followed by the university of oxford and astra-zeneca s vaccine in august and johnson & johnson in september. the goal, to test the vaccine s safety and effectiveness. that, as at least 20 states plus puerto rico seeing increases in new cases, and eight states reporting rising hospitalizations. in texas, hospitalizations jumping 40% since memorial day. officials there say it s too early to tell if that s because of reopening, the protests or both. and inlte te min o of icu beds. in mid-may, the projection for covid deaths was 600. right now, the projection is 4,500, correct. that s a pretty significant change. that s an alarming trajectory. reporter: david, the goal of a phase three trial is to determine how well a vaccine works. that s why they re casting a wide net, up to 90,000 volunteers. half of them will be given a placebo, the other half, the actual vaccine. it will be later determined how many show the presence of antibodies. david? matt gutman, thank you again tonight, as well. we re also following that developing headline in the case of two missing siblings from idaho. their step-father was in court today facing charges now after human remains were found on his property. and what the children s heartbroken grandparents said late today. here s marcus moore. reporter: tonight, the grandparents of two idaho children, missing since september, say their bodies have been found. but police not confirming they are the remains of 17-year-old tylee ryan and her brother, 7-year-old j.j. vallow, discovered during aer er iseart chad daybell s home, their mother s new husband. we are aware that those remains are the remains of children. reporter: daybell appearing today before a judge today via zoom, facing two felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence. mr. daybell, do you understand the allegations on both counts that have been brought against you? i do. reporter: mom lori vallow already behind bars after refusing to tell police where the children were. lori? can you tell me where your kids are? reporter: the couple under a cloud of suspicion for months after a string of deaths in the family. marrying in hawaii weeks after daybell s first wife died. vallow s husband killed last summer by her brother, who later died himself. friends and family insisting lori changed after meeting daybell, a religious author. after lori s arrest, daybell telling us the kids were safe. is there anything that you would like to say to people who are concerned about the kids or concerned about you and your wife, anything at all you want to say to them? just grateful for any support. reporter: tonight, j.j. and tylee s family saying, we are filled with unfathomable sadness that these two bright stars were stolen from us, and only hope that they died without pain or suffering. lori vallow and her husband are both being held on $1 million bail and, david, daybell is due back in court in july. marcus, think. when we come back tonight, the voting chaos in georgia overnight. and severe storms coming tonight from michigan over to new york. we have the track in a moment. but when you have the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. so, when you get a check. you can deposit it from here. and you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. you can save for an emergency from here. or pay bills from here. so when someone asks you, where s your bank? 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on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cuban naval visit vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response the easley and you put enough today in the worst supply weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i m not ready to say that we ll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere. moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities for their the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage to use the matthew chance cnn moscow thanks to matthew tonight. and thanks to you, of course, as always, for being with us ac30 60 with anderson begins right now tonight on 360. what happens now that the president s son is a convicted felon and why supporters of the convicted felon who is running for president are still complaining about the criminal justice system keeping them honest. also, a cnn exclusive course award goes inside a searing detention camp. were families, vices, fighters are being held and some fear the next generation may be being born. plus we have breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking, a chase and the deadly discovery at the end of it. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep them honest with three facts about hunter biden s conviction today and wilmington, delaware on federal gun charges. the first is the human impact. it must have on a family that has certainly known tragedy, including a car crash that killed hunter biden s mom and baby sister, the death to brain cancer of his brother beau, and his own descendance itself, destruction by crack cocaine in a moment, ronald reagan s daughter, patty davis joins us to talk about her own struggles with addiction. the second fact is that despite efforts to paint his trial as a counterpart to or even the equivalent of of donald trump s new york trial. unlike the former president a hunter biden is not running for anything. the third fact is the one thing they actually do have in common in each the guilty verdict was rendered by 12 men and women who heard the evidence and seem to have set aside any preconceptions they might have had going in as one biden juror told cnn today, politics played no part in their deliberations, nor did testimony about the degree of biden s addiction, which he described as heart-wrenching. the verdict was unanimous. and just like in new york, there s every indication the criminal justice system worked and continues to beyond that, nearly everything surrounding the two trials and their aftermath is a study in contrast, starting with how egypt defendant reacted to the verdict. quoting now from hunter biden statement, thanking his wife and others. i m more grateful today for the love and support i experiences last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am desert appointed by the outcome. he goes on to say recovery is possible by the grace of god and i am blessed to experience that give one de at a time by contrast, here are some where the former president has said after his conviction this was done by the biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent and i think it s just disgrace. but this was a rig decision right from day one, with a conflicted judge should have never been allowed to try this case, never well, he said as much over and over and so have republican lawmakers before, during and after the trial with a special focus on attacking the justice department and the criminal justice system every single person involved in this prosecution is practically a democratic political operative. this was not criminal justice. this was politics. the entire thing is political. it s political warfare, scam trial. this is a scam. it is a sham, sham of a trial sham convictions joe biden s two tier in injustice system while. keeping them on as they re talking about the justice department at which had nothing to do with the trump trial, which is currently prosecuting a democratic senator and congressmen and just oversaw the conviction of the president s only surviving son. and the president s reaction quoting him now, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process. as hunter considers an appeal, jilin, i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that he also told abc news he d ruled out a pardon for his son let me ask you, will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. by contrast, the former president is now talking repeatedly about using the justice department if he s reelected as a tool of vengeance i would have every right to go after them. and it s easy because it s joe biden and you see all the criminality, all of the money that s going into the family and in him, all of this money from china from russia, from ukraine as for republican lawmakers who decried trump s trial and conviction, consider house oversight chair james comer, who has been holding hearings and investigating the bidens for months, always claiming to have the goods, but always coming up empty he is sticking to his story, tweeting today until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence peddling schemes. it will be clear department officials continued to cover for the big guy, joe biden more now, on the actual verdict and the actual trial and what comes next from cnn s paula reid just 90 minutes after hunter biden s guilty verdict, cnn got incredible insight into the case from juror number ten, won big mistake from the defense, calling hunters daughter naomi, to testify. i felt i felt bad that they put naomi witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sir, dad despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors did agree that yes, he know on laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs although they all voted guilty, another juror, cnn spoke to off-camera question whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying, quote it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. pressure, inviting never really even came in to play for me, his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that s when i that s when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son s verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal, hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. in special counsel, david weiss made aware statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s family this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction. his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun while it what else did did you hear from jurors understand? i was really interested to hear what they had to say about a possible sentencing for hunter biden then because the upper range for conviction on these offenses is potentially decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. so it s widely expected hunter biden wouldn t get anything anywhere near that. this is of course, a first-time offender, but juror number ten told us he doesn t think that hunter biden should get any prison time. another juror said that hunter needs rehab more than he needs imprisonment or a fine. and while the jury is weighing in on sentencing, it is ultimately actually for the judge should determine the sentence and we expect, while there is no sentencing date, now we expect it will be roughly 120 days after this verdict, which would fall in late. okay? tibur. so that s before election day, but likely after his next federal criminal trial, which is scheduled for early september out in los angeles i ll read thanks so much, paula, let s go next to the white house from cnn s kayla tausche with more and how the president and the first family are dealing with this moment. what s the reaction been from the white house for president biden? anderson president biden is approaching the situation first and foremost as a father in the statement released today, president biden saying, i am the president, but i m also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction, understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery, the family greeted each other on the tarmac in delaware. this evening, hunter biden bracing members of white house staff and members of the security detail before the family then retreated to a nearby family home or they re going to be processing together what happens in the next chapter president biden has said that he will accept the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal and the biden reelection can and pain is telling allies that for them, it s going to be business as usual, the president gave a speech at a previously scheduled gun safety event after the verdict, which obviously is somewhat ironic, what did what did he say there? well, it was a fairly awkward confluence of events today. president biden finding out about that verdict just before this pre-planned event, where he was in this situation of a heralding a crackdown in gun violence and expected to tout a, drop in gun crime all while of these verdict had just come in, we knew that president biden was expected to announce more than 500 new charges brought by the department of justice on gun crimes in wake of his new bipartisan gun law that was passed and signed into law in 2022 instead, the president took a broader approach. instead praising the new tools prosecutors were given by that law. anderson kayla tausche, thanks, joining us now to people who ve worked with and no prison biden welsh and political commentators david axelrod and keep betting field also with retard federal judge johnny jones, the third and former federal prosecutor jessica raw, third, judge. let me start with you. does the verdict surprise util know the verdict didn t surprise me at all. anderson, i think the evidence was overwhelming and, what i thought was notable and picking up one, your lead, which i thought was spot on in both of these cases, you had judges want to state judge and the other a federal judge saying, among other things, you must follow the law 224 americans in these two cases, you must follow the law, whether you agree with it or not, and you re not to be concerned about the sentence that i may give if the defendant is convicted, clearly, it validates our system of justice because they did exactly that. jessica, how about you? i mean, any surprise and what kind of grounds? for appeal may there be? yeah. so i was not surprised by the verdict as the judge said, that the evidence really did seem to be overwhelming and the charges were pretty straightforward in terms of what the jury was being asked to find. i think the k is also highlights the limited role that we give to juries in our system. now, they re asked to apply the laws are instructed about the law to the facts and not to render an opinion in the courtroom about whether they think this was a wise prosecution or what they think is an appropriate punishment. i mean, they re really quite limited. it s not clear to me that there are strong grounds for appeal. i mean, there is a second amendment issue on whether or not the law that makes it a crime to possess a gun. if you are addicted to drugs drugs, whether that survives the second amendment challenge under the supreme court s current jurisprudence on that. but that would really only go to one of the three charges. and so it could be that there are some issues with respect to the evidence that was admitted, but that would be subject to harmless error review maybe there s an appellate issue about whether or not he was entitled to essentially the benefit of the plea agreement that he had reached with the special counsel that previously fell apart, but i don t see those as being particularly strong in david. i mean, you re since the verdict the impact it would have on the biden family and the white house. and i obviously on the campaign trail in the days ahead of any well, yeah. look, i think that s the important question anderson a couple of weeks ago and trump was convicted i said that i thought that really important question was not how it would affect voters directly, but how it would affect him in his behavior. and we ve seen his behavior become even more point until an angry since that conviction here this is such a devastating experience for the biden family to have gone through this week to have their families go through this people get into trouble. they go, but not under the glare of the spotlight. this and to have your dearest relatives on the stand and have to go through this has to be devastating to the present. kate would know this even more intimately than me, but i know how much this must hurt him and there must be some feeling of guilt because he is the reason there s a spotlight on the family and why they re travails are so much in the news. so the question is, how does it affect him? he s got a debate in two weeks he s dealing with multiple world issues right now and all the rigors of a campaign and how will he deal with it? i think is a big question. yeah. kate, we mentioned that the president promptly went to delaware to be with his son and again, the contrast between how the trump family approached the manhattan trial and how the biden family approach this trial has start how do you think this is going to impact the president? well, look, it is absolutely hard on him. he is a family man that you really cannot underestimate are under appreciate how close the biden family is, how much they lean on each other. i think it would be hard for any father to go through, not only the experience of this trial, of course, but obviously all that hunter is dealt with and dealing with addiction and things have happened when he was in the grip of addiction. so yes, of course it is personally hard for the president, but i would also note he s somebody who has shouldered a lot of personal tragedy and difficulty while also juggling being in public office, he lost his son, beau to brain cancer when he was vice president. obviously his as you mentioned at the top has his first wife and baby daughter were killed in a car crash just weeks after he was elected to the senate. so he has spent his entire life in public service shouldering challenges, difficulty holding his family close, but simultaneously executing the duties of the office isn t being able to put to put his work first two. so i think his resilience, i think will really be on display for people over the next few months. i think you saw a little bit today, frankly, when he was speaking at the gun safety event, he was lively. he was engaged. he was clearly talking with a lot of passion about the work he s done on gun safety and talking to them the crowd. so i think i think the american people are going to see a lot of resilience for him, but of course this is hard for him. it s hard for him and higher biden family, judge jones, what would you consider for a sentence on these convictions? and also with the idea in mind that he is facing a tax charge as well that s it potentially more worrisome for well, of course, the judge has to follow what are called the sentencing guidelines, which has my colleague knows are numbingly complicated, but the sentence needs to be sufficient, but not greater than necessary to fulfill the purposes of sentencing i think in this case, because he didn t brandished the gun, he didn t commit a crime of violence is on another crime associated with the purchase of very frankly, anderson over almost 20 years in the federal bench. i never had a stand alone case like this. this is really this actual charges or not something that s been tapped on. this is the pen a zebra case, if you will but i think in this case, there s a good argument for probation or with some kind of help remedial help counseling addiction treatment, and so forth. the real real peril comes with the tax charges because this counts as a conviction which has the it will in fact enhance any sentence that he gets if he s convicted at the tax charges. so there s that that s mandatory. that whatever the charges and this it impacts next, the get certain points for prior convictions. and then of course that case is driven in part by the amount of the tax fraud as well, which escalates the sentencing exposure. that s where he really is in jeopardy of going to prison. i don t think this case so much. david, what do you sitting republicans who were insisting tonight, the justice system is being weaponized again the foreign president, even though president biden s own son was just convicted in federal court and you ve got to menendez case and another congressman yeah, that s really complicated for them for that reason. and remember, yeah, you ve got senator menendez on trial right now. congressman cuellar awaiting trial right now. it just puts the light of the the idea that there s this weaponized justice department of justice department has nothing to do with the manhattan da s office, but it s also complicated for them because they have become so zealot zealous about the second amendment that they don t quite know how to talk about. this. so they re all shifting. and the thing that they re doing, anderson is this whole, the mantra and they all move as one. is this biden crime family thing because really what s at play here is they re strategy is to try and say everybody is corrupt, that everybody is swimming in the same murky waters that donald trump is no different than joe biden. and that voters should discount the fact that donald trump is a convicted felon and has some other major cases pending against him. so i think you re gonna see a lot of that. what congressman comer said today, chairman comer was really disgraceful as you pointed out he has been rolling out this cannon periodically. he lights the fuse and every time a flag comes out that says pop. and there s nothing there. and so if they ve got evidence of a crime maybe they should share it with people instead of just talking about it. and i think they don t because they don t in cape person biden and the foreign president obviously have their first debate on cnn june 27th. are you concerned about trump getting under the president skin by invoking hunter biden. he obviously tried it when they debated in 2020 yeah, he tried in 2020 and it really backfired on him. i mean, i can tell you that the data that we saw on the biden campaign after that first debate, where no trump really wound up and tried to come at hunter. was that what people remembered from that debate was joe biden defending his son, talking about his love for his son relating to when people all across the country who ve had dealt with family members and friends who ve suffered from addiction. so it was actually a very relatable moment that really connected joe biden to people across the country. so i think 44 joe biden, he should certainly expect that donald trump is going to come at him with this on the stage. we know that trump s going to try and throw everything he can it biden to get under his skin. but we ve also seen that this is a failing political argument. trump has tried to make it stick for five years. it hasn t, and it ultimately winds up being an opportunity for people to see joe biden s humanity. and that s very moving and power. david axelrod. thank you, judge jones. jessica roth, as well, coming up next, former first daughter, patty day hey, miss her own struggle with addiction and her thoughts about the verdict and later cnn s clarissa ward is exclusive look inside a syrian detention camp are women and children 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and the pain, all of it inflicts on families being in the public eye are being the child of public figures to add still more complications. my next guest, patty davis knows this well. she is, of course the daughter, of former president reagan and nancy reagan and a new york times op-ed, she writes this about the biden case. it might sound naive and the escaping le, partisan times, but it would be nice if the rest of us or even most of bus could look at how sad this story is. how a man with a loving, supportive family and every advantage and opportunity still fell into the roiling abyss of drug addiction and couldn t stop swimming around in this dark waters. petty davis writes about her own experiences in dear mom and dad, a letter about family memory and the america we once knew thank you so much for being with us. your essay. it was so lovely and to your point in the op-ed, i mean, do you think basic humanity and empathy are? possible in this hyper-partisan moment, the country is in well, i mean, on some days i think it s not possible some days i think it s extinct but i think we have to keep looking for that and we have to keep reaching for it. and i think even some of the comments from the jurors expressed sympathy and compassion for hunter because this is at its root. this is not this story about a hunter biden is not a political story. i don t even think really at its right. it s a crime story, even though he was convicted of some crimes but i think at its root, it is a very sad story about addiction and a disastrous choices that attics make the ripple effects of those choices in families lives and over over time, i mean, obviously this is yes, it doesn t here s the thing about about an you know, when you when you re addicted, your world is very insular. everything is about you and the substance that you re addicted that s that s kind of it, right and once you if you are fortunate enough to let go of that addiction and to stop using whatever substance it is, whether it s drugs or alcohol, you don t immediately change your mode of thinking. you don t immediately like break get out of that. it takes a lot of work and a lot of time and i am assuming that hunter biden is going through that. now. he s starting to realize the extent that his addiction had on everybody else. i think it was very poignant for him. i m probably seeing his daughter testify in court, which has a really difficult thing to do. you were candid about your own struggles with addiction in your teens early 20s in the piece you wrote for the time, as you said, as the daughter of first a governor and then a president? do you know what it s like to live under a glaring, unforgiving spotlight than never dims the choices you make in your life. the mistakes, the stumbles are preserved forever and sometimes tossed out in front of you like a minefield, you have to keep crossing it s i mean, first of all, you re really a lovely writer what kind of scrutiny to you in terms of what did that scrutiny due to you in terms of drug use, what was it like living under that kind of scrutiny? well my drug use wasn t made public. i mean, i have made it public because i ve talked about it since, but i basically i didn t get caught you know, i mean, i wrote about in this book how in my father was governor, i used to, i used to drive. are those so boarded in sacramento on this summer s? i used to drive up to folsom prison because they had a gift shop. how i found out that it keeps other calls from prison. i have no idea. it s not like a 70 is not like i go to google them, but i did and i used to like smoke a joint on the way for some prison, completely stone probably with other joints in my purse fortunately, they didn t search my purse, but a friend of mine when she read this story in my book said, well, were you worried that they would smell it on, you know, i never thought about that. so i never got caught. but the thing that follows me around, what is my activism? in the 80s when my father was president in my sort of stridency and the anti-nuclear movement. and whenever i not whenever i read something about myself, but a lot of times, if i read something about myself, it s patty davis, the rebel daughter president reagan, who protests, protested his policies and everything. it was 40 years ago that is the reality of that political spotlight, which is the harshest spotlight imaginable and unfortunately, hunter biden is going to be followed by yes for the rest of his days, it s just the way that s spotlight has a shelf life of forever. yeah especially now with camera phones and laptops and social media and all of it, which obviously was involved in this trial, that was not around when you were right, you were doing that? yeah yeah. you referenced in your president biden ruling out a pardon for his son, you wrote i m quite sure it wasn t the answer. they re grieving. father wanted to give, but his sons actions and his sons illness forced him into a choice between the primal urge to protect the child and the public responsibility to uphold law that is a terrible place to be. did you ever think when your dad was present that did you ever worry about about it becoming known? or as my drink? yeah. well, i owe well, as governor, i didn t think about it because i was you know, just to strung out on drugs, i didn t think about it, frankly and by the time he was president i had stopped doing drugs but i think like i was saying that that sort of self consumed mode of thinking, i think that was still very much my mode of thinking in the 80s when my father was elected president. and because if i d been thinking more expansively, i think i would have expressed myself differently and not as stridently. i think i probably still would have spoken out about the anti-nuclear in the anti-nuclear movement because i believed in it very strongly but i would have done it differently but i didn t i you know what i mean? it was still that well, i m going to do what i want to do. yeah mentality, patty davis. thank you so much for your time. thank you let me out. by cnn exclusive are rare inside look at detention facilities and syria housing not only captured isis fighters wear their wives and children, one of whom tells her clarissa ward, we don t even know what we ve done more this is country is corrupt. we got to save it do some terrible things for the greater good we need you built it for the soup, start rounding this up and dumping us off in cans show me that doesn t sound good. ashley? ashley. ashley shop etsy until june 16 and get up to 30% off father s day gifts to go beyond the classic go-to segall and personalized gear and other things. dads do when you want a one of a kind gift to shone he s number one, etsy has it. but bike riders again, those colors on in here, you d have to kill me to get this jacket on scan and rice. white writers were your daughter only beaters june 21st, how could anyone possibly know that every single one of 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boys are separated from their mothers it s produced fears that these facilities could be raising the next generation of isis fighters. cnn s first award was granted extraordinary access aside, those camps. here s her in-depth report. cell phone videos of isis is brutal justice that the world hoped it would never see again. she, my mom amash shared for the first time with cnn these images weren t captured in rocco or mosley and 26 steam they were taken in 2022 in the al-hol camp in northern syria the sprawling dumping ground for the women and children captured after isis was defeated five years after the fall of the caliphate isis is ideology lives on here security officials warn it is a ticking time bomb ungovernable and hostile to the outside world you can see just how fast this places more than 40,000 people are living here. and the most dangerous part of the camp is called the annex. that s where some 6,000 foreign nationals are currently within we were granted exceptionally rare access to the annex by the us back syrian democratic forces will sdf, who control the camp? the women here hail from more than 60 different countries several raise their right index fingers for the cameras, sign of solidarity with the islamic state do you regret your decision to join isis or wash she complains that the conditions in the camp are awful. there are people in the world who will say, you went to join isis. you deserve it. you deserve it. what do you say to that normally if enemy yeah. women and children need the majority of alcohols residents are kids who have ended up here through no fault of their own un has called it a blight on the conscience of humanity. it is effectively a prison camp for women and children are arbitrarily and indefinitely detained should to a group stops us with a frantic plea. one of their sons has been arrested trying to escape the camp. she s asking if she can get her son back, who s in a prison he s got me for monday need that youth march. we want to just send them out so the sdf wouldn t take him. she tells us, once boys turn 12 year, they take them it is a troubling story we hear over and over again the sdf says, it is their policy to separate adolescent boys because they are being radicalized by their mothers an sdf raid earlier here this year netted this video of a training session for children inside the camp. the sdf claims young teenage boys are married off to repopulate the next generation of isis fighters they say may explain the roughly 60 births recorded here every mother this is where some of those boys end up after they are taken. the or cash rehabilitation center conditions here are much better than the camps, but there are only one 150 beds and they are all full shamil. chicago grew up in cologne, germany until his parents took the family to the isis capital rocha. a shrapnel injury to his head has left shamil confused. how old are you come home? my bot without if you don t know shamil was living in our whole camp with his mother and siblings until a few years ago when security forces came into their tent in the middle of the night in colombia enough for a man came and pulled me up and tied my hands behind my back. my mom was screaming. she said leave him alone. he tells us i didn t want to go with them. he pushed me saying, put on your shoes, but i didn t hit me islam is from dagestan, russia, and is one of the youngest boys here three to it s via mama so he s saying that he is just 12-years-old. he has been here about three or for months. he was taken from his mother he doesn t even know what his last name is human rights organizations have said the separations are on a pauling violation of international law but the sds top general must loom abdi defends the policy. no duck admin instead of these organizations condemning what we re doing and calling it a human rights violation. these organizations should give us help when it comes to our program that we have in place for years now to rehabilitate these children the part of the problem seems to be that once these young boys turn 18, there s not anywhere for them to go, particularly if they can t return to their home countries. and so some of them i believe are ending up in prison necessity taken when he says this is not a policy that we are following to put them in prison at 18. the reality is, the goal is to reintegrate them with society but cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. it is the largest concentration of isis fighters in the world. no journalist has been allowed inside panoramas since 2021 until now so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf what we walked through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern panorama is a prison break. of fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates managed to escape and i look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless. the men we see appear to be indecent physical condition but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison. and we are only allowed to look inside two cells you versus your where he found a british man approaches the great, but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us that s funded panorama illegal black hole, worse than guantanamo bay in an interrogation room we meet 19-year-old stephane ucc or lou from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14 along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talk to a lawyer? well, i don t know about the big guys if you speak about the kids assume well, if you know the truth, we don t know even why we re always like punning just like five years in prison, i were punished we don t even know what he s done. like we ve been in prison because of our clients at the sdf intelligence headquarters, we need british pakistani dr. mohammed socket, accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas, inmates are abused. so we live in torture i live in fear we you say you live in torture, do you mean that you are actually physically? ugly being tortured this happens on an off. what kind of torture like beating by the stick, by the gods to be on the side. i m just waiting for my death there s no getting out of this prison. probably never the warden at panorama called psaki pbs claim of abuse it was false saying, quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act in this way the sdf and the us are pushing countries just to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose can we meet brits, canadians belgians australians, and a couple of americans survive basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck here with her seven-year-old son for more than five years i have to ask you, i m seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering their faces. you re not covered, you re wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. i would say for the first 23 years people were not accepting of it and they harassed us but they stole our stuff and i had to stay strong and show example for my son born and raised in the us, hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20 left her family and alabama to live under you re isis, a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time in prison. have you reconciled yourself without possibility? i always tell myself that i m going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i d server and come out and begin my life with my son for now. that is not an option. while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled holders us citizenship invalid on attacking my palette, i didn t write now, she lives in fear for her son s future what do you miss most about america i just want to breathe at moroccan era and be around people. i loved the people of america. they re very open and they re very forgiving and they re very, they re people who give second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance but second chances are hard to come by here. for most repentance is demanded and forgiveness rarely given. as the cost of ignoring this ugly crisis continues to mount first award joins us now, i mean, it s extraordinary to think of all these people in this limbo. you said the us government and rule the citizenship of the american woman you spoke with invalid on a technicality. what else what else do you know better situation node and what viewers authorities commented at all? yes. so we ve reached out anderson to the state department about who does case and they said to us the department has not changed its position with regards to ms madonna s citizenship status as the state department determined in the courts agreed she is not an never was a us citizen. we also heard anderson from her lawyer who responded, if hold them, athena is not a us citizen than she is stateless. and that is a violation of international law. all the directly contradicts what the us government has stated. other countries cannot and should not do. and i should add anderson that a senior us official told us there are about a dozen americans who are still in these camps in northeastern syria. the repatriation process is not straightforward though, because many of them, unlike the coda, don t actually want to go back. we spoke to one woman who asked not to be identified. she said that she has not put her hand up yet. she is a dual national and that she doesn t feel comfortable returning to the us because she s 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have 23 people wounded. and while please run that scene, they got word of shots fired on a transit bus, just a few miles away and into a bus hijacking than a police chase onto the interstate finally, when that ended, police made a grim discovery. more now in all, from cnn s ryan young begin around 430 after a call about gunfire and a hostage situation on a bus when officers arrived to investigate, the bus takes off and the chase begins from above, you can see the county bus swerving uncontrollably through rush hour traffic and atlanta dangerously moving in and out of traffic through city streets and onto the highway where elana police officers desperately tried to get the bus pulled over. our initial call was of a gunman on on the bus that was holding hostages and possibly there had been a discharge of a weapon that was the initial nine will warn call that call disconnected, and then a short time later we received another 911 call also from the bus, and that line remained open for the entire time. officers tried blocking the bus in the attempt to use stop sticks, but the bus avoids early attempts to stop it. all of it through atlanta s rush hour traffic at one point, the bus almost hits this truck. it s worth around the car and then veers into traffic as drivers scrambled to get out of the way, a gunman with a gun to the head of a bus driver saying, don t stop this bus or else worst will happen. this is the type of thing that obviously no one is. i mean, it seems like the movies later the bus narrowly misses another group of cars as it drives on the left side of the road before coming to a stop on this tree-lined road, there were 17 individuals on the bus and putting the bus driver unfortunately, as the mayor has stated, one individual has died of injuries which we believe to be a gunshot wound. this is going to be a joint investigation by the atlanta police department as well. was from the georgia bureau of investigation. we currently do have in custody a 39-year-old joseph career officers from several police departments surround the bus. you can see someone coming out with their hands up before he gets on the ground. police at the ready, guns drawn with a tactical armored vehicle on the sea police find one person shot and killed anderson. we re also finding out the man who was arrested as a convicted felon, but i want to tell you something we were doing a news conference about that earlier shooting. and this start happening. i got a phone call from a source that was saying they could see several police cars chasing this car through the streets of atlanta. it was very harrowing. in fact, they saw officers trying to use their car to block that bus, but such a large vehicle moving through the city, it s amazing that no one else got seriously injured, even though sadly, one person did lose their life on that bus today? yes, i m just terrifying ryan young. thank you. now, to exclusive new reporting voting from behind bars, a unique development in the narrowly divided state and nevada, which could determine who wins the white house in which party controls the senate or murray has more inside the largest jail in sin city. it s my first time voting. for the first time that you ve ever vote in any election is when is here in the detention center? yeah. natalie inmates escorted to this holding and then a voting booth. the first one ever set up in the clark county detention center in las vegas. nor are you surprised that there was going to be a voting booth here today? yeah, i was surprised. yeah, it was i didn t expect to its debut just in time for primary de the result of a new law requiring improved valid access for thousands of non felons detained in nevada s jails soon after the booth opened the first voter cast her ballot. how did it feel to be able to cast your vote? it felt nice actually felt good for activists. shigella chambers. you can put that on my epa ten it s a hard-fought victory. there is a pressure for us to shine brightly on this first run. a felony conviction after a violent altercation during college costs, chambers his freedom and his voting rights for more than five years. and i feel that someone who is doing this work needs to be formerly incarcerated to engage their population now we worked for the non-profit silver state poises, running outreach to thousands of potential voters behind bars. one of the first bullet points on here it says why you cannot vote, okay, that s the key. you i cannot vote if you are serving a sentence on a felony conviction in a city or county jail, then it makes clear if you re pretrial or serving on a misdemeanor you re eligible jackpot. one of the biggest hurdles, convincing eligible incarcerated voters to cast a ballot amid polarization and misinformation, more than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match incarcerated felons. do you think that has an impact on even people who are eligible to vote without question, without question it took months and the threat of lawsuits for jails to get up just be we had an election happened, but no jail fully. what s compliant with the law facilities across the state worked with voting rights groups like the aclu and election workers to finally ensure ballot access ahead of tuesday s primary, their vote should not be any less important than the individuals that are out here. and unfortunately, they face those barriers that we were here on outside, don t even really think about those barriers. the basics for those who are behind bars postage for change of address forums. blue and black pens to fill in balance and at least in this jail a polling booth something that goes beyond what the law while requires. this is something that is the first for us and i think we re going to probably do it better than anybody else. we ve tried to pride ourselves on that there really was no model for us to follow. we ve had a couple of opportunities to make sure we get it right for the general election in november chambers hopes this is one step toward politicians actively campaigning for voters behind bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall having their voices heard, it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little slow, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time he s running boost had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state, which is negating the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s going to number is going to be even longer when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event coming up, anderson be interesting to do polling and see if they re running for it? sir, maria, thanks so much in news continues. the src
again, along with obamacare, of course. the funny thing is, trump is using this approach to try to appeal to latino voters, while at the same time promising to bring to america the political style and economic policies of the strongmen leaders of places like argentina and venezuela, which have some of the highest inflation rates in the world right now. make it make sense. tomorrow is set to be a big day for economic news. we will get a new inflation report in the morning and the fed will give an update on interest rates in the afternoon. so is rachel maddow would say, watch this space. and that is tonight s reidout . you can follow me on tiktok and instagram and follow our show accounts on instagram and tick tock. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in as we deliberated today, we reached a verdict pretty quick. the presidents son found guilty of violating federal gun laws. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this offender. tonight, what today s verdict does and does not mean about the rule of law in america. everyone is saying, where is hunter? a two-tiered system of justice we have. and how we campaign led by a convict is vetting potential running mates. certainly like having committed a crime and the scandal that just won t end. i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag. tonight jamie raskin and aoc together on their push to get answers from the supreme court. can you tell us how the supreme court and specifically the chief justice have addressed these scandals? when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i am chris hayes. in a political era marked by a never-ending string of historic firsts, here is another today. a rare court decision that conservatives received with glee. hunter biden has been found guilty on all counts in his gun trial, federal trial in wilmington, delaware. hunter biden, the last living son of the sitting president was convicted today on three felony counts connected to lying on a federal firearms application in 2018 by not disclosing his struggles with drug addiction. he had that gun for 11 days. hunter biden now faces 25 years in prison and his father, president joe biden, did not blast the case as a crooked witchhunt. he did not target the prosecutors, the judge and the jurors, some of whom called into major news shows to discuss the verdict with no fears for their safety in this high-profile case. president biden did not shake his fist at the justice system. he put up this statement. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride. as i also said last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. i have to say i find that genuinely touching. his love of family. also respect of the process. it is an incredibly stark contrast to the ceaseless barrage of absolutely unhinged authoritarian histrionics we all witnessed last month. remember? not just donald trump, but the entire republican party. all of the people dressing up like donald trump who went to the courthouse so he will pick them to be vice president. all of them basically calling to tear down the entire judicial system or casting aspersions on new york jurors or the judge or the prosecutor. everyone. all because their nominee got caught falsifying business records and was convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. this was a rigged trial by a convicted judge who was corrupt. a disgrace. this is like a soviet style thing. show me the person and i will show you the crime. this was a political smear job. this is what you see in banana republics. this is the most outrageous travesty i ve ever seen. this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats. this was a hoax, a sham. do we want to become a country where we try to jail are political opponents? what do you think the party affiliation of hunter biden is? and so this hunter biden conviction is as clear a moment of contrast as possible between the two major coalitions, the major parties in the country today. what it illustrates is that one party, under donald trump, and this is important, has placed itself outside the american constitutional order, while the other is trying to defend and uphold it. that was clear as day on january 6, but particularly in the aftermath there was palpable were among republicans. lots of them talking about how horrified they were and resigning from the administration and all of that. and there was a sense the party wanted to distance themselves from trump s lawlessness. that was then. today they are fully united as a party in opposition to the constitution. an attitude by one of the most powerful conservatives you ve never heard of. he wrote portions of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch and a trump presidency. the washington post identified him as a potential chief of staff. he lays out his vision for a post-constitutional presidency to turn the government into a flatly authoritarian project or failing that, just a mafia style. disease more control of the justice department and assert power to withhold congressional appropriations and that is just on trump s first day back in office. meanwhile democrats are not just making statements of faith, they have taken real actions to preserve those institutions and their independence. no better example of this is the prosecution of hunter biden. remember how this started? okay, back in 2018 under david weiss, the u.s. attorney trump appointed in delaware, the fbi probed hunter biden. there were subpoenas, but there were no charges and remember, trump grew angry that his justice department had not publicized the investigation into his opponents son during the 2020 election. after trump lost the election, republicans insisted president biden would obstruct justice to keep his son free and they called for a special counsel to investigate. when a new president comes and it is his right to replace any u.s. attorney they want. they usually do. biden replaced all of trump s appointees except for two. who bill barr had test to investigate the russia probe. and david weiss, who was investigating his own son. that is because the new president, at the pains of a possible criminal conviction of his surviving son in recovery, wanted no appearance of impropriety or interference and infect biden s attorney general merrick garland went a step further and appointed weiss as special counsel to make sure his work on the hunter biden case was truly independent. that was a move that republicans opposed. the house judiciary committee writing, david weiss can t be trusted. this is just a new way to whitewash the biden family corruption. after all that an appeal deal was worked out with hunter biden and ultimately rejected by the courts. weiss ended up charging the president son for an offense so rarely prosecuted that even trey gowdy, the former congressman and prosecutor, could scarcely believe it. i did gun prosecutions for six years. i went after convicted felons. i went after people who were fugitives from justice. i went after lots of different people who were prohibited from possessing a firearm, but i bet there were not 10 cases prosecuted nationwide of addicts or unlawful drug users who possess firearms or lied on applications. i bet there weren t a dozen, which makes you wonder of all the cases you could be pursuing in delaware, why are you pursuing this one? all of this was facilitated by democrats in the white house and department of justice and capitol hill to restore faith in equal justice under the law and the norms of the constitutional order. donald trump flagrantly violated the law, interfering with the department of justice. stewing when he could not interfere further. publicly calling for prosecutions. you may have forgotten that months into his presidency troubles calling federal prosecutors and cultivating relationships with them, including the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and obama holdover who was overseeing the investigation into stock trades made by trump s health secretary. he said those calls made him uncomfortable and he was fired as u.s. attorney less than a day after he finally refused to take a call from president trump. the administration would later tell propublica, trump s personal attorney bragged about getting him fired with reportedly telling trump, this guy is going to get you. the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york joins me now. an interesting study in contrast over the past few weeks. what strikes you about the reaction? when you think about the biden family and how joe biden in particular thinks about his job and not just his job, but his family. upon a conviction or before the conviction, the arrest and indictment of his son, given what his family has been through, you would think every fatherly instinct would ve been to protect him. if you are a father, and i know you are, you love your children more than you love yourself. you try to protect them from harm and you try to protect them from bad consequences. the biden family has suffered lots of bad things as a family and yet there are some things more important than that when you are the commander in chief and basically the president of the country and one of those things is that no one is above the law and the rule of law matters. here is an occasion as you were playing out in the intro, where joe biden had absolute authority. literal authority. he had no authority over robin bragg and did not direct the prosecution of donald trump. it is his justice department. he had the authority to direct people not to prosecute his son. he could have fired the special counsel. he could have directed the special counsel not be appointed in the first place. he could have pardoned his son preemptively. all of that conduct, given that it is his son, it kind of makes you pause and think about ton about how unbelievable that is. in a million years, if the shoe were on the other foot and donald trump was facing his son being prosecuted, by me if i had been held over. a biden holdover prosecutor, not in a million years with that have happened. some of the people on the right, the people who support donald trump, are trying to cast this as some clever program by which this actually proves they yes. i will say it is outlandish imagining don junior getting in trouble with guns and drugs, but stephen miller said this. the gun charges are a misdirection and an easy opt to sell to a quiet media that is also willing to be duped. this is about protecting joe biden and only joe biden. no matter what happens, right, the corrupt deep system is deeper than you realized. if every possible outcome, every possible permutation is arguably a point in your favor, maybe your position is terrible. i used a different word than terrible. honestly i don t even think he was required to keep david weiss on in delaware. honestly, when i say bend over backwards, that is bending over it would have been perfectly reasonable to replace him. obviously it would not be reasonable to say wink wink, nagy nudge. but if you say do your thing. by the way some other features are important to point out and you mentioned some in the intro. the jury verdict came out. they did not dox the jury or attack the judge. he did not say this is a witch hunt. he said what people say. what i used to say when i was u.s. attorney for 7 1/2 years. you win some and you lose some. we say we respect the verdict of the jury. completely opposite to what donald trump said. it was striking. after that trump verdict, i remember judge kaplan in the federal civil trial with e. jean carroll told the jurors, look, you can talk to the press if you want. i would advise you not to. in alvin bragg s case they did not and i think we all know the reason. they would expose themselves to harassment and possible threats and violence. here you had the jurors talking to us, which, great, am a reporter. i like it, but what a contrast. it is a very stark contrast and i think it goes to show that when joe biden and his supporters talk about the rule of law and nobody being above the law, they mean it. you can disagree with joe biden s policies and talk about the border and all of these things that are not in my bailiwick, but on the question of whether or not the rule of law is to be enforced and no favor given to anyone, including the son of a sitting president of the united states. the republicans are 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crime, is often on job applications. it is the subject of campaigns to get rid of it, to help former convicts get jobs and reenter society. that question is apparently still part of the vetting of trump s vice presidential pick, where it seems only one member of the ticket gets to be a felon. they asked us for a number of things. i think a number of people have been asked to submit this and that. like your taxes or something? criminal background? have you committed a crime? have you ever lied about this? certainly you have those conversations. he extensively covered trump world including his recent reporting on the juror. it is interesting to watch folks who don t know this and to watch the various implications of being convicted of a felony and all the different types of regulations and things you cannot do. in some states it is disenfranchisement, voting, liquor licenses and the like. being a person of color and a former prosecutor, i am unmoved by these newfound epiphanies on the right with respect to the reality of life in america if you are a convicted felon. one thing i find to be particularly interesting is how the right is scrambling to rearrange the narrative of what it is to be a felon. think of this for a moment. you re talking about the party that planted its flag on the notion of law and order in america, now having to walk out and say it is politically advantageous for our candidate to have 34 convictions on his record. this is a narrative they are not going to be able to square, but it is funny to watch them try. he invited in the bronx on stage, folks who are facing charges for a broad conspiracy with people that includes moving heavy drugs and violent crime. very serious, gnarly stuff. and has them on the stage like hey, this is our thing now. let s be clear, you are talking about whether someone is an associate of new orleans. an associate of felons. the list is long. i think they are trying to be like, it is actually good we are felons and they don t actually believe that. it s amazing how much the tough on crime philosophy falls by the wayside when it is the racist game show hosts turn in the barrel. donald trump and his minions talk day in and day out about a two-tiered system of justice. he is correct that one does exist in this country, it is just he is at this tier and everyone else s at this tier. so many things no other defendant could get away with. including the judge and all that stuff, he would have been put in jail for sure. absolutely and now behind the scenes and in the open he and his maga brain trust are getting ready to exploit parts of the u.s. criminal code to go after alvin bragg, letitia james, jack smith, if he returns to power in 2025. some of this is being cooked up behind the scenes and policy papers, but so much is being done in the open. you ve also got them moving to get alvin bragg before a committee. he will testify with the gop led judiciary committee. one question i had about all of this, does any of this matter in the process that trump was going through? no, it does not. you don t think it matters, talking about it is all rigged? does that matter for sentencing? donald trump s public rhetoric absolutely matters. i thought you were referring to alvin bragg going to capitol hill, which is something i think he should not do. with respect to the things donald trump is parroting in the dialogue around his case, that matters. one of the things the probation officer is going to take into account is what degree of understanding and remorse do you have? i screwed up, i m sorry. exactly. to walk in his office and say that when you have every opportunity with the microphone in front of your face. you ve reported on this and this has been going around the house republican leaders are privately gauging support for legislation that would let current and former presidents move a state case to federal court. have you heard any of that? we reported in rolling stone at the end of last month that trump had been personally calling around to different conservative allies, including republican lawmakers on capitol hill, to lobby them. when i m back in office, wouldn t it be great if you passed legislation that is ready for me to sign to have former and current presidents be able to move their cases to federal court. again, i think they are getting high on their own supply. i feel like that is a bad bill to vote for. for a front-line republican member. right? i m not crazy. if you are a maga lawmaker, certainly there is a cute appeal to it. it is not only moderate republicans on capitol hill saying maybe we shouldn t do this. i ve spoken to cronies who are close to donald trump who have told me maybe we should not go down this route because don t we want to use state a.g. s and conservative district attorneys to go after joe biden or hillary clinton? yes, the principal applying equally would hang them up. there is back and forth about the gun situation, charles. i m sure you have encountered this. what does the law say about whether he can keep the gun in florida? in your crime. he more likely than not will need to turn the gun in in florida. he is going to have a grace period where that is allowed. well technically he might be in violation of the law upon notice of conviction, he is probably going to be allowed but it does not surprise me he has to turn it in in florida. there is an incredible thing happening which is the hunter biden conviction was about a felony conviction. he lied on forms. committing a felony in terms of taking drugs and owning a gun. so he lied on the forms. now we have the ex-president holding a gun, having been convicted of a felony. a remarkable set of circumstances. charles coleman, asawin suebsaeng, thank you both. still to come, samuel alito s wife has more thoughts about flags, amazingly. aoc and jamie raskin on the supreme court legitimacy crisis, ahead. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i ll never miss a day of 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the opposite of pride. the alito s have not responded to requests for comment but none of what ms. alito said change the facts that justice alito allowed this to fly over his home while he sits in the highest court in the land hearing cases related to the insurrection on january 6 and sits on the court with his buddy clarence thomas whose wife was interviewed by the committee about her text with donald trump s chief of staff. both refused to recuse themselves, despite the obvious appearance of bias. when faced with an increasingly urgent question, what can be done about the out-of-control court? today democrats held a roundtable on the ethical crisis in the supreme court. i should note that one of the expert legal witnesses there was my wife. leading the panel was jamie raskin, the ranking member of the oversight committee and newark congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the vice ranking member, and they join me now. it is good to have you on. thanks for having us. i will start with you and what the agenda was today. obviously you can t call hearings yourself as a ranking member and not the chair, but what were you trying to do today? oversight democrats wanted to respond to the national clamor over this crisis of legitimacy at the supreme court. so we analyzed the ethics crisis. we analyzed the political crisis around what got us into this and the blockaded confirmations of people like merrick garland, nominated by president obama to the court, and then we began to talk about what things could be done in the specific case of justices alito and thomas and generally about the ethical collapse of the supreme court. it is the highest court in the land with the lowest ethical standards. the only government officials in the land who are not governed by a binding ethics code. there is no process by which we can hold any of them accountable, so it violates the essential principle that james madison identified as the heart of our justice system. which is that no man can be a judge in his own cause. so we began to explore different avenues of holding them accountable. congresswoman, you said something toward the end of the hearing that it cannot be the case as a constitutional matter, as an almost intuitive commonsense matter, that they are not subject to any checks. we have three branches. checks and balances move between the positions and justice alito said in the wall street journal interview that congress has no ability to regulate us whatsoever. what should congress be doing? what are you brainstorming basically? what is the conversation about what those can be? of course justice alito s position is laughable in this. this idea that he can be and that the court should be accountable to nobody and that the only person they should be accountable to our themselves. this kind of scouts promise sort of set up for how we should be having ethics standards for the highest and most consequential court in the land. it is completely unacceptable and not only is it unacceptable but to have anyone of our coequal branches be completely unaccountable to the others is paving the path to authoritarianism, tyranny, the abuse of power in the united states. it is structurally, completely unsustainable. so it is not a question of if congress has jurisdiction and power over the supreme court. it is what power are we going to exercise in order to reign in a fundamentally unaccountable and rogue court? one of the beautiful things about today s roundtable is we were also able to call in one of our senate colleagues, senator whitehouse, who has been pursuing extensive investigations into the dark money network that has been exerting influence over the court and we raised and discussed varying measures from term limits to an actual binding ethics standard and also congressman raskin and myself will be introducing forthcoming legislation to even have the supreme court be subject to the same $50 gift rule that he and i are subject to, as are everyone else who are members of congress. that is a great point. my understanding, i was talking to my wife, kate shaw, about this. to give testimony during the hearing. she pointed out to me if i am not mistaken that things, for instance, you can get a book deal as a supreme court justice. that is allowed. but you could not like to be a partner that is something that congress passed a statute to say what you could and could not do, because obviously it would be nuts to be a supreme court justice and have a side gig as a lawyer. we all understand that. congress can pass statutes that say this activity is just not allowed. congress has a ban on outside employment and as aoc was saying, we have a $50 gift ban, so none of us goes anywhere near doing that. you don t do $500,000 vacations? that s the comical thing. members of congress don t even understand that. under what circumstance would a supreme court justice be accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars in foreign travel were paid tuition for family members or a recreational vehicle, motor stagecoach? it is outlandish for us to complicate to contemplate. it is like the normal business as usual at the supreme court that they are collecting millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars from their so-called friends. we need to clean that up. we said we will start with something simple that the whole country will be able to understand immediately and intuitively. we want a $50 gift ban. they make $300,000 a year. pay for your own lunch and pay for your own vacation. that does seem quite clear, congresswoman, and also has the advantage again. there are particular issues to deal with, but in some ways the only way to legislate it or for congress to act is outlining broad principles that are equally applicable. absolutely and as all of us as public servants, whether it is both chambers of congress, any of us are subject to the same or similar uniform code of ethics and the fact that the supreme court, which is already unelected, at least for those of us who run for office we have to re-run for office every two years in the house. for an unelected body of nine people, appointed for life, to not have any sort of binding, strict ethics code to which they cannot only be held accountable, but which can be enforced, is actually ludicrous. and it is almost unbelievable that we are sitting here in the year 2024, over 200 years after the establishment of this country, and that we actually have not addressed this issue. it is long past doing and it is common sense. one of the things we addressed, chris, was how the private corruption of the justices mirrors the public corruption of justice. it is this roberts court, this right-wing court dismantling civil rights laws, civil liberties, women s rights to choose, labor law, consumer law, you name it. as they grow more and more removed from the experiences of the way the rest of us live, the more they are willing to demolish the protections. the there are a bunch of things that happened outside of the ap purview that you have to do with equal justice under law and i wonder if both of you would stick around to talk ul about that, is that all right? 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i mean, it was very presidential and, you know, he showed in his statement love for his son and love for his country including the rule of law. the different reactions between a republican colleagues and our democratic colleagues with the trump verdict and hunter biden verdict, it is just astounding. nobody on our side said that the fix was in, nobody said that it was a travesty, nobody said that the justice needs to be turned upside down. everybody accepted it. hunter biden, like donald trump, had the right of counsel which you exercise, you have the presumption of innocence, he had the right to take the stand which he chose not to do like donald trump chose not to take the stand and they have both had unanimous jury verdicts finding that they were guilty on all counts. so i am saying about that what i said about donald trump s verdict which is, they have a right to appeal and they can do that under due process, thank god we have got that in america. and we are going to stand by the rule of law and the system of justice, for the same reason that we are fighting for a supreme court that restores its integrity and reputation because we need to have that kind of confidence, not just at the trial level in federal court or state court. we need to have it going all the way up. those of supreme court justices are just a complete runaway body. speaking of state court in new york, congresswoman, obviously you represent part of new york, there was a huge amount of insults and vitriol that has been directed at alvin bragg both from donald trump on down and people carrying water for him, that has now escalated. he will now he is being called by the house republicans before the judiciary committee and be grilled by house republicans who have rallied behind mr. trump since his conviction last month. gop lawmakers are perpetuating his false narrative that president biden ordered his prosecution. what you think about the fact that they are not escalating to the point where they will call alvin bragg before congress? what we are seeing here unseld is an outright abuse of power in the politicization of the seats of power these republicans hold in order to intimidate the courts and exact political revenge. we have to just look at this from a basic jurisdictional point of view. alvin bragg is not even this is not even a federal case in the same way. we are looking at a state court. and we are looking at municipal and state courts and we have republicans who are trying to haul them in, on what grounds exactly? this is not federal court, they do not have jurisdiction over it, this is truly just and attempt at public targeting. and we see that they do this, this is in the middle of donald trump, it is in the model of invoking and trying to incite as much anger and intimidation in order for them to get the outcomes that they want. they are so eager to be fans to donald trump that their political judgment is off because that is not where the public is and the public understands, with the hunter biden verdict in the donald trump verdict, the rule of law is just working and they are intervening, as you say, and an estate case in order simply to placate donald trump pics to precisely, what we are also seeing here is the stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump. and in president biden, we have both come yes, a loving father who is there to be supportive of his son, but also a president who respects rule of law and is willing to accept the outcomes of the case even if that outcome is not in favor with his family or his personal outcomes. whereas, you have donald trump who takes and finances the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover