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Dealing in terabytes, that is when it gets huge. this is a paper case. but what really matters to me and this dove tails to what we've been talking about, they're going to give him all of the transcripts and all of the statementsm they do not have until the eve of trial. they're going to do it any way and we think that is what made him kind of wig out in mar-a-lago. he's now going to see in black and white and, as lisa emphasized, hear mike pence say things about him but not just him, mark meadows, anybody you could name they have interviewed and he's going to be enraged and it is exactly that...

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Years in a small company and it was happening behind his back, when his own company and he were benefitting from it which seems, you know, laughable. i think that's part of the reason that the jury came back, you know, so quickly here. in this case. >> harry litman, what does a company for whom two of its divisions, these were charges brought against the trump corporation and the trump payroll corporation. and, again, a jury has found those corporations guilty on nine charges, nine charges against the trump organization, eight charges against the payroll corporation. this was a 15-year fraudul...

State charges. that's what a presidential pardon doesn't deliver. >> and these are serious charges too, potentially. >> well, it is basically a million dollar fraud case where the call was donate money to build a wall, the front man was an ex-u.s. special forces person. seemed very patriotic. but when you went through the books, and you went through the million dollars that $300,000 went to this guy's consulting firm, a lot of it was bannon's expenses for travel and unrelated things, or so the charges allege, and it's a paper case, which is always hard to defend against. >> i want to dask you ...

Let me divert for just one minute. >> sure. >> because a very significant decision was reached yesterday by the supreme court that will allow the committee to receive a very large amount of information from the archives. we hope that the trump white house complied with the law and actually delivered all the material they were required to deliver to the archives. and we think that some of the answers will be found within that material. so i think at this point that's the best i can answer your question. >> it gets to something dan goldman and others have made -- points they have made that your ...