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and i think, too, if you look at the way that trump responded to it, trump is not giving it oxygen. which is fascinating. >> interesting. yeah. what do you make of that? we've seen trump go after critics. i mean, no matter who they are, he will go after them, and that was not the case with that statement that trump released. >> exactly. well, you know, in a very real sense, remember this, too. why was pence brought on to the ticket to begin with? i wrote about this extensively in the book. you know, back in july of 2016, why is he brought on to the ticket? and it's because of the new demographics he can bring into the fold for trump. but also remember, too, that reince priebus and paul ma manafort, when they pushed pence for the ticket, they were thinking about the down ballot races. a lot of the same groups, i write about this a bit in terms of the difference between
i'm going to go out there every day and fight. i'm going on tv, i'm going on info wars, and i think this tells you he's going to continue that same approach now that they've officially brought these charges against him. >> he said the fbi agents, the way they came, if they had just called me, i would have let them in. are there guidelines, are there reasons -- is there some reason to believe, talking about like they did when getting the warn of violence, right? >> when you look at cohen, when you look at paul ma manafort, they were allowed to surrender. roger stone, if you look at all the rhetoric, all the things he has has said publicly that if they gave him a heads up and they would like him to surrender, in these kinds of cases normally
that may or may not have been right or wrong, that doesn't have anything to do with the president. >> cnn's abby phillip joins us at the white house. why would we think this has nothing to do with the president? >> reporter: it's a one-two that you heard from sarah sanders in those clips. when it involved paul manafort, when it involved michael cohen, the move is essentially to say it has nothing to do with president trump and then to reiterate how these individuals had other relationships with other political candidates. in this case sarah sanders talking about how roger stone had advised other presidential candidates and other people in the political sphere in the past. but the reality of president trump's relationship with roger stone is, of course, that all of this was happening in the context of president trump's 2016 presidential campaign, and in fact, the indictment makes clear that what roger stone was indicted for lying about were things that had to do with his
>> that's not the case, but krlt -- every time these guys have been confronted with information, by nchgs -- they wanted to protect the congress, they wanted to protect the campaign. even the white house going in after trump was elected, they all wanted to protect it. and i think that's the theory that mueller has taken. >> the big picture connecting all these other dots with documents. we're going to take a break now. the campaign chairman, paul manafort, was also back in court today. we expect to hear from the president shortly this afternoon. some new ideas, apparently, how to bring an end to the partial government shutdown. busy day. we'll be right back. at fidelity, we help you prepare for the unexpected
walking stiffly and slowly. he's been confined for almost a year now. the irony is that paul manafort and roger stone formed a business together nearly 40 years ago, and today we have both those individuals in court on the allegations they've been lying, john. >> kara scannell in court. thank you. today the airport is blaming the shortage of air traffic controllers to the shutdown.
didn't have any contact with anyone. now, contact, obviously, now substantive in terms of exchange of information between manafort and his contacts. and we see that the campaign was interested in getting that information. so maybe it doesn't say collusion, cooperation, but they clearly wanted to glet. >> this also shows us a pattern, and you can see why investigators and the fbi, their antenna go up. everyone they question about russia, wikileaks, congress has tried to question people about people have lied. what is going on here? what you're seeing is this pattern, and we've seen this in an indictment of charges from michael cohen in the southern district. there is sort of a fraud going on here in that the truth of what was going on during the campaign could have politically hurt the president. everyone around them did whatever they could, lie, commit crimes to try to protect them. and that is what you're seeing in the pattern of all of these
listening to a different take on the long-time arrest of confidant roger stone. >> this has nothing to do with the president and certainly nothing to do with the white house. what i can tell you is that the specific charges that have been brought against mr. stone don't have anything to do with the president. i know that the charges are about whether or not he gave false statements, and that's on that individual. that has nothing to do with the president. the charges brought against mr. stone have nothing to do with the president, nothing to do with the white house. >> got that? roger stone now one of six trump associates who face charges in the mueller probe, along with michael flynn, rick gates, paul manafort, george papadopoulos and michael cohen. when asked about all these charges circling around team trump, the white house press secretary added this. >> all on things that, again, have nothing to do with the president. just because they had some association with the president at some point doesn't mean things they did in their private lives and their personal life
into the trump campaign. he didn't have a preexisting relationship with roger stone, but he had a previous relationship with steve bannon. he didn't really know paul manafort, he didn't really know rick gates. this is someone the president knew for decades. cnn has just learned that we do expect the president to address the border shutdown and what he calls the border crisis a little later today. david, actually, i can go straight to the white house to our kaitlan collins to try to bring that in. kaitlan, we know the president has been debating his options. does he have something new to bring to the table today? >> reporter: that's what we're going to wait and see what the president has to say. jo john, this was not on the president's schedule, but president trump is expected to speak from the white house this afternoon, and right now aides are planning on the president to make that announcement. it's going to be related to the government shutdown, but the
void. keira, what have we learned? >> the judge set a court date for february 4 where she will hear him behind closed doors. this goes to whether paul manafort intentionally lied to the grand jury. the judge did foreshadow today. she said some of manafort's arguments had some force to them if he corrected his testimony at the same time. but others said it's possible he may have lied, plain and simple. she's going to have everybody back on february 4 to hear more arguments about this. it also came up today, the special counsel's office said they were not planning to charge manafort with any additional crimes, but they wouldn't rule it out, and they left open the possibility that manafort could be charged in the future by the special counsel's office or other organization. he walked into court wearing a suit as he has to wear one. he also used a cane and was
special counsel this morning. a nixonian salute whose dirty tricks in politics go back to the nixon years in american politics. roger stone denying emphatically the charges. he says he has not had a chance to read the indictment. he said he will not testify against the president, because in doing so, he says it will mean he has to bear false witness, meaning to lie. >> we know he's going to keep fighting back, keep talking. they showed up at his house this morning before don, partially because roger stone has watched what happened to paul manafort and he does not want that to happen to him. he looked at him and he's been on various charges, and he says,