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all you got to do is look at the government now. you can see why you should have done it. >> never been a time like this. never. >> no. >> we thought it was bad in the vietnam war and we women were fighting for our rights and african-americans were fighting, everybody was fighting for their rights. but now everybody -- >> you think it's worse than vietn vietnam. a lot of kids were drafted to get killed in vietnam. >> i think it's worse than vietnam because there's a ma lev nance to it i have never seen before. >> what do you say to people that say america is never going to be the same? >> it always change. the pen due lum swings back and forth all the time. >> it's a cycle. >> all these people are getting to hurt while it's waiting to change. that's what's killing me. >> people will suffer. it's going to suffer more if you don't think you have anything to do with it or you can't change
step toward the nation, but a left ward swing of the pen due lum -- pendulum poised to rocket to the right. >> those are some words. >> they are. it doesn't make up for the headline "is perry dumb"? >> you have to give him points for trying. or you don't. obama's uncle arrested. tom, you said why don't we know about these people. really? you didn't even know obama had an uncle. yes, he has uncles like the rest of us. >> we don't see them. i think they should be in the tabloids all the time. it would be fun. >> obama mentioned him in his book. but i will -- i thought uncle omar was a character from "the wire." >> nice. >> other than that, lauren, i'm with you. as a scandal, this is lame. >> right? >> right? >> it is an interesting story. it is not a scandal. >> i agree. >> nobody said it was a
left ward swing of the pen due lum -- pendulum poised to rocket to the right. >> those are some words. >> they are. it doesn't make up for the headline "is perry dumb"? >> you have to give him points for trying. or you don't. obama's uncle arrested. tom, you said why don't we know about these people. really? you didn't even know obama had an uncle. yes, he has uncles like the rest of us. >> we don't see them. i think they should be in the tabloids all the time. it would be fun. >> obama mentioned him in his book. but i will -- i thought uncle omar was a character from "the wire." >> nice. >> other than that, lauren, i'm with you. as a scandal, this is lame. >> right? >> right? >> it is an interesting story. it is not a scandal. >> i agree. >> nobody said it was a scandal. i like the idea of how do you