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there. he said, did you see i had 25,000 people in kentucky this week at a rally. at the end of the interview he said i'm president and you're not, basically restating the same thing. the proof of my success, the proof of my credibility is the fact of the election. >> quinnipiac has in the latest poll he's at about 60% of people not believing he's true. professor, it takes us to the same point. michael's interview is illustrative of a proposition. trump does this because he thinks it works for him. in fact, it has worked up to this point. when he was doing birtherism, it wasn't because he wanted to be president, it played on pep's want for conspiracy. it made him relevant. he's doing the same thing now. what does history suggest this leads to? >> what it suggests is that the