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That is collusion, period. let's be clear about that. he was not convicted on it, but court documents were clear about collusion. he was giving campaign strategy memos to russian military intelligence. shannon: a shared polling information with russian individuals but i've not heard anything related to collusion. >> keep in mind the charge is an extraordinary one that the president himself is a russian asset, asset is an intelligence term meaning a spy betraying your country, handing information, secret information to a hostile foreign power, that is a crazy and extraordinary thing to say. i f...

♪ we will have a national emergency and we will then be sued and they will sue us in the ninth circuit, even though it shouldn't be there. and we will possibly get a bad ruling and then we'll get another bad ruling and then we'll end up in the supreme court and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the supreme court. >> that was president trump just a couple days ago declaring a state of a emergeancy and then saying hey, this thing is headed to a court of law or you heard him there several courts of law and it looks like that is proving to be the case. it is also being judged i...

Russia. this meet took place after the nominating convention so we're well into the election. donald trump is the republican nominee. and according to manafort's statements, discussions about ukraine policy had ended at that point. but prosecutors saying that's not the case and that this meeting may have been pivotal not only to discussing between manafort, gates and his associate from europe, constantine kalimnik and also this may have been the meeting where manafort provided to kalimnik internal polling information, giving them a sneak peek insight into what's happening in the campaign. some...

Be critical. obviously there are legal questions here that will be the subject of what mueller ultimately concludes and then there's the political part of this that if there were to be impeachment proceedings, even a debate about the court that will fall short of what the legal standards are and what they were on policy levels, were you trading polling information to get a lighter sanctions on ukraine? and russia has not been an ally of the united states, it's been working across purposes of the united states and of democracy in that part of the world, and that's hardly a basis on which to hav...

Several years, i guess, year plus, that changed a bit when he found out, when the president found out about this meeting with kilimnik. that manafort did while he was donald trump's campaign chairman. >> this was in august of 2016, the one you're referring to. >> before he was fired. >> where he believes is perhaps where he got the polling information. >> these are people, obviously, the subtext of this is this these people i'm talking to insist that trump didn't know anything about that meeting. and so the idea and the notion of a pardon really did slip greatly, now that the president knows t...