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Money that congress has appropriated, do this and do that that help me personal -- my personal gain. but instead what you're seeing is republicans making kind of weird process arguments saying they want the whistle-blower to come forward. saying they want hunter biden to be on the list -- witness list. what do you make of that strategy on the republican side? >> what i make of it is, while this should be a very somber and serious undertaking on all sides, it's a very, very serious step to be taking, i think the republican dream headline would be a curse on both your houses reaction that said s...

For trump, whether it's uniformed colonel vindman or ambassador sondland who raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for donald trump, or kurt volker or bill taylor. in isn't going to be a problem for them because there's a really big difference. this is their play book that they just scream and make a lot of noise and attack. but they had a real advantage when they did this during the mueller report, during the investigation, because mueller couldn't fight back. so, they would attack mueller's credibility and his 13 angry democrats and who they were doing and how they were doing it and it rea...

Convoluted. and that is why the process arguments have sort of been working so far. which is like when you say the democrats don't understand the rules or they're making it up, that's not true. the democrats have followed all the rules. but your average american doesn't know how it's supposed to work. >> rachel, we've already seen from the white house and the department of justice basically block some folks who were supposed to be on the hill next week. what do democrats do the about the fact that some of these key witnesses in some instances, when you think about john bolton and the aid to mi...

Job of convincing republican voters that the process has not been fair. but they realize as this moves to a more public hearing that they're going to run out of steam on process. what they're doing is what i believe i heard this morning talking about how there was no quid pro quo and making the argument that because the money flowed or because there was actually no investigation into joe biden, that there's nothing to see here. and i think that's where you're going to start seeing members go as this moves into the more public phase. >> you've been taking with many of your colleagues, republica...

The daily beast, the republican party lawmakers are planning to focus their attention on discrediting the whistle-blower, could that be effective? especially considering so much testimony appears to have backed up what the whistle-blower alleged. >> yeah, and for that reason, i'm not sure that's what's going to be the main focus of the strategy. to the extent there's going to be a focus on the whistle-blower, that's because that's what the president wants to be focusing on. i don't know that house republicans believe there's a lot to gain from that. they will try to make adam schiff the focus ...