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Reason of the main process here, chris, they will not take the time to get any first-hand witnesses that have direct knowledge of this matter and the president's statements and state of mind. mick mulvaney, acting chief of staff, rudy giuliani, any of these people because it might take another two months or so. and i think a lot of the process arguments at the moment will be forgotten in the fullness of time but the fact they're sending a flagrantly incomplete fact all record to the senate on this most consequential constitutional process that will be remembered and i think that is why history...

One because if they had one they would be banging down the doors of the hearing room saying we want to testify. mick mulvaney telling what happened. you don't have them doing that. they're not mounting that defense. the question is, why not? it doesn't really exist. they're sort of forced to fall back on these process arguments that really misunderstand the nature of the presidency. because if you read pat cipillone's letter, they're treating the presidency as it's a personal right of donald trump, as a personal property, but the presidency is not a right it's a privilege, a privilege that we ...

They didn't do it for some reason of the main process here, chris, they will not take the time to get any first-hand witnesses that have direct knowledge of this matter and the president's statements and state of mind. mick mulvaney, acting chief of staff, rudy giuliani, any of these people because it might take another two months or so. and i think a lot of the process arguments at the moment will be forgotten in the fullness of time but the fact they're sending a flagrantly incomplete fact all record to the senate on this most consequential constitutional process that will be remembered and ...

This don't you know? >> process arguments don't work. >> but they work with the base and the republican party. >> they motivate our voters. >> why? >> people who are particularly interested in one, fairness, two, particular issue, like protecting the right to an unborn life, protecting the second amendment, the process matters in those things in a way that it doesn't in a giant legislative goal like medicare for all. >> foes for those voters in the middle, for those voters in the middle, process arguments confuse them. that's the republican tactic. >> it is their own defense right now. >> and ...

>> process arguments don't work. >> except they work with the base in the republican party. >> they motivate our voters. people who are particularly interested in one fairness, two particular issues. like, protecting unborn life. protecting the second amendment. the process matters in those things in a way that it doesn't in a giant legislative goal like medicare for all. >> but for those voters in the middle, the process arguments confuse them. and that is a republican tactic and strategy that they've been using. >> it's their best defense. >> it's their only defense right now really. >> smar...