>> process arguments don't work. >> except they work with the base in the republican party. >> they motivate our voters. people who are particularly interested in one fairness, two particular issues. like, protecting unborn life. protecting the second amendment. the process matters in those things in a way that it doesn't in a giant legislative goal like medicare for all. >> but for those voters in the middle, the process arguments confuse them. and that is a republican tactic and strategy that they've been using. >> it's their best defense. >> it's their only defense right now really. >> smart. >> and they think it's working. we're getting e-mails from republicans on the hill pointing to polling, you know, in the past week or so. that's showing that the numbers aren't moving in favor of impeachment. >> that's true. >> and they're also not moving in favor of the president either. i mean, you know, one of the things here is the president may survive impeachment. but at what cost? he's got -- you've got on-the-record statements from defenders saying he's too