respect. for. his day off. the dissident journalist was killed in a fistfight inside. find that explanation convincing. more than a dozen people. because the. polling station. than expected. it s good to have you with us. he says it for. the killing of sausage on the job. has no admitted that he died and it s. often a fist fight with a name for more than two weeks the saudis had denied he was dead this is a moment that she and the saudi consulate in istanbul never to be seen again. his disappearance sparked an international outcry over and over saudi arabia said he d left the building alive. weeks later they conceded that falls the critical journalist died at their hands of a hot at the. prosecutor s first investigation into the disappearance of the saudi citizen jamal khashoggi has found a discussion between him and the people he met while he was at the saudi consulate in istanbul led to an argument and scrabble with her charges which cost his death. the statement is a break from two weeks of silence and denial from riyadh even this incriminating evidence mounted days after the shockey and at the consulate turkish officials leaked information that the journalist was killed inside the building. next they released these images purportedly showing a hit squad arriving in istanbul airport shortly before and at the consulate turkish officials also claim the audio recordings proving that construction was tortured and his body in dismembered. even after saudi arabia s latest concessions the journalist body still hasn t been found and it is unclear who ordered kushal she s killing. we want justice for gemma. we want yammers murders will be punished all they ever want punishment not only for the eighteen men but also for the alterity that gave the orders. saudi arabia now claims it has responded to the killing by sucking senior officials including general ahmed siri a close confidant of mohammad. raising yet more questions about the role of saudi arabia s de facto ruler in the death of the dissident journalist. of amman there s a we re joined by another. debate another plank so much for coming in first of all that how credible is it that these officials acted without any instruction from. i don t think it s very credible because as we heard in the report that a cd is a very close friend or close advisor of hama denson and the crown prince was actually did decide to king or the defacto ruler of saudi arabia and the other official qahtani he s also very close advisor to the royal family so for me it seems like the royal family the saudi. government mohamed vinson and his father king so man were searching for maybe you would say scapegoat to find a solution that they have been denying fourteen days long that jamal khashoggi has been killed or is even dead and now they have the problem to explain how he died and the thing that he died in hell yeah and in the fight in a fistfight is not really credible as well is that how it s being viewed in the wider arab world as well i ve been looking at social media and what friends and family and people saying about this last statement from a saudi officials that he jamal khashoggi died in a fistfight and everybody is joking about it actually people are being cynical about it they say how can somebody die in assists fight in in an embassy or consulate or the studio rabia with fifteen other people i mean what do these. fifteen other people do in the in the embassy and what is their role and what happened in the first place with his body why don t we know that so there is a lot of criticism and it seems that people are saying so to rebias trying to explain what s happened but they just making everything worse. jamal khashoggi be remembered but. in the region and the wider world well we have to know that he wasn t really a dissident or wasn t always a dissident he was close to the royal family. in the past and he was he knew. or move quite a lot of other family in the he was a well known journalist in saudi arabia but after mohamed bin son came to power after his father king someone came to power. i think he had some some kind of conflict with the royal family and he saw that so rabiah is moving in a direction that is not going to be good in his in in his. opinion it was a crackdown of massive crackdown on the opposition on freedom of speech and on journalists so i think he will be remembered now after we know what s happened to him as an icon of freedom of speech in saudi arabia in their board as general general another loves. thanks very much for that. some of the other stories making news around the world hundreds of markland so faced off against right police on a bridge crossing the mexican got a modern hold up some people jumped into the water along the border to escape they are part of a brutal thousands of set off from honduras last weekend and a heading towards the united states. hundreds of thousands of demonstrators have taken to the streets of london to call for a fresh briggs s referendum. has already ruled out such a vote the u.k. is should do to meet the e.u. on the twenty ninth of march next year. the kidnapped trans union billionaire moment has been released and is safely back at home he was seized ten days ago by unidentified gunmen in the city of. forty three year old dogies africa s youngest billionaire with a reported fortune of one point five billion dollars it is not clear whether a ransom was paid. julian assange. is launching legal action against the ecuadorian government accusing it of violating his fundamental rights and freedoms he s been living in the ecuadorian embassy in london since twenty twelve but new terms of asylum require him to pay for medical bills phone calls and to clean up after his cat. there are reports of dozens of casualties from explosions near voting stations in afghanistan of the voting on saturday in the country s parliament elections the company called. last. to disrupt parliamentary elections and several candidates killed in the lead up to the vote. almost nine million people very legible to cost of ballots this but the fear of attacks stand out was larger than expected with the long queues forming that s many polling stations. these people are risking their lives to vote the threat of violence from the taliban and so-called islamic state hangs over every polling station almost nine million people are registered in the poll for the lower house of parliament ordinary afghans have expressed cautious hope. but i guess their right to vote today i came out here and voted for my favorite candidate and did my part for the future of afghanistan. i had. a chance to have something more income flanks and now i ve come here to invite for peasant he should want to bring security to the country i asked people to come and fight for prosperity in afghanistan i m not. it s a major step that these elections are happening at all they were originally scheduled to be held three years ago but ongoing instability has forced many delays a string of ten candidates have been assassinated then just this past week an attack in kandahar province killed the chief of police and wounded the provincial governor leading to further delays in the province. a senior american general avoided injury in the attack he encouraged afghans not to be discouraged. message to the people of afghanistan as very consistent you have every right to be proud of your security forces and the preparations that made for this election despite this unfortunate event tragic event that. if turnout is strong it shows that the country indeed has functioning institutions bolstering the government s legitimacy in the eyes of the people but the actual electoral results won t be known for several weeks. in taiwan thousands of people have demonstrated to call for full independence from china the rally in taipei is a challenge to the islands already in battle the government is the first calling for an outright independence vote since taiwan first became a democracy more than twenty years ago. taiwanese so that china considers the island as part of its territory in the past year china has ramped up pressure on taiwan conducting air and sea military exercises around the island. we think there should be a referendum to make taiwan a normal country. we need to come here together as one nation to really project one voice get out and this is my country this is my nation we need a referendum on independence we re taiwanese it s very simple these protesters are not satisfied with the current government they asked for a tougher stance on china however according to a recent poll there are less than forty percent of taiwanese the independence it seems china s economic and military pressure on taiwan has its effect. protesters calling for a referendum face another obstacle currently voting on topics relating to taiwan s name and constitution. the spacecraft was lifted off from the european space agency s board and friends this is the new mission to explore the planet s. early saturday the craft as. it would release them into orbit around the rocky planet there they will spend at least a year and analyzing the sounds close as. scientists hope it will help them learn more about the conditions that existed in our solar system more than four billion years ago. sports news and time to look at some of the results from saturday s bundesliga action. defeated of all spoke with little trouble robert levy scored two goals and hama s rodriguez added another to give the three one win over the wolves table leaders. with an early goal from jaden central and the scoring continued the final score for. there s a round up of the weekend s results so far much needed win against full spog and massive victory over stuttgart. went down to. share the spoils leverkusen and had over each take away a point in friday s game frankfurt thumped dusted off in saturday s they game shock of take on braman on sunday at eight on friday and meet minds they just have a quick look at how those results affect the standings don t state top but to jump up to second as a result the bavarians are back on course and in hot pursuit it s a tight race in the bottom half of the table crucial points from. those defeats for stuttgart to do some golf move them deep into relegation danger. reigning european champions real madrid endured another dismal day in london setting a club record for the longest beat of without a goal in a shocked loss at home to live vontae ryall went down in their goal drought extended to four hundred sixty five minutes before marcello finally broke the duck in the second half but real couldn t find the net a second time and went down to one the defeat and the unwanted record by the pressure on coach who men who has struggled since taking over from in the summer. there was better news for rails archrivals boss who announced of the iconic camp new stadium one of europe s biggest is about to get even bigger what will start in the postseason next summer the spanish giants read in this video simulation of the transformation would look like the work will increase the stadiums capacity to one hundred five thousand and install a roof that covers all seats in the stadium the whole project will cost only six hundred million euros and is expected to be completed by twenty twenty four. you re watching. coming of the top of the and don t forget you can always get all the latest news and information. on our website.
and the continent of africa on the move the stories about to move a vision of change makers taking their destinies into their own hands. d.w. multimedia series from africa. d.w.m. dot com africa. the opinion is on the brink n.t.e.u. populists are making gains across the continent and britain could leave without a breck s it deal this week conflict zone as in proc well i have caught up with alex the fool my finnish prime minister has launched a campaign to become the next president of the european commission can he fix your op. ex understood well come to a conflict zone thank you you have launched an unprecedented compared to replays on clothes at the president of the u.p.a. and commission you can paint program talks a lot about values vote if i were to say in one word why i m running for commission president it is values do you peon bell use and when you leave the european space no i think actually european values are global for me they re universal so they have to do with human rights fundamental rights liberty liberal democracy rule of law equality and tolerance are for me these are inalienable they are part of who we are as human beings are a lot of european if they are global let s talk about the vote. he said the e.u. has links with regimes some of which. we talk about turkey he said and we are right too but never we talked about saudi arabia tell me something about saudi arabia saudi arabia is obviously a middle eastern country very oil rich not democratic gave the right for women to drive cars only the past in the past few years and right now is in the middle of a journalist murder case. so what are the sanctions what are the ideas what is the reaction of the e.u. if you would have been the president today well i think the main tool that the european union has basically are sanctions and obviously with russia we use them because they annexed the crimean peninsula and they have been timid aiding ukraine and then in every specific case we look at what legitimacy has uses if it case sell their rabia yeah first thing you would do is to basically go through what has happened and on the basis of the evidence that you have you get the member states together to clear this journalist enter the consulate and you never came out so there are no really miracles what happened there and no secrets what happened there that s why again what s about saudi arabia today from your perspective but from my perspective i think we d have to first get the member states together put a declaration and then decide in common on the basis of unanimity on something almost actions by you know i think personally if if this has been if this has been a organized official murder then action must be taken but we don t need to wait for that saudi arabia is responsible for hundreds of thousands of victims children women in yemen it s a brutal war against the civil population what should be the answer of the european union to words that massacre well depends on which massacre you re talking about and by which country i think it s very important i think it s very important to be i think it s very important to be principled when it comes to foreign policy you have to look at the whole situation in the middle east draw conclusions from that and then see what kind of relationship you have with saudi arabia european relations with saudi arabia or of course not this close for instance as the americans want american want to still very very low as well in the human terran catastrophe in yemen. yes so far has not stopped you peons arm shipments we are involved in europe with this in your opinion should those arms shipments be stopped i think you have to be very careful when it comes to arms shipment and i actually work as the chairman of the board of the crisis management initiative which is mark the uk this august the nobel peace laureate center and we do a lot of work in yemen that this particular moment to try to do peace mediation and of course when it comes to arms it never helps it s again a very concrete question still be stopped on not these arms yes and no actually it is not about concrete and it s not that black and white because it depends on very well it depends what depends on that you re talking about they re talking about satellite surveillance are you talking about the types of instruments i talk about radio with this option union is supporting a hold on hold you have to be a little bit more specific you have to be a little bit more specific than that the european union is not providing arms it is member states from the europeans are the video maybe the member states that are doing it name the name first which arms they are talking about and which countries are talking about then i guess you re talking no but no you listen listen listen listen if you are you prince don t give me generalities start giving me some concrete starting those that aren t you know about are you principally for or against support of saudi arabia arms or whatever it is it s not i mean foreign policy i m afraid is not that binary you have to look at it from a much broader perspective i think the key issue when we talk about values is what kind of values you stick to yourself and then you have to take those decisions on those principles so democracy is dictatorship suppressing your own population or not being an aggressive country and regime or no these are the values and we re talking about the values you want to defend in europe. so why not in saudi arabia why not in iran for example well i think in both cases you have to work with the country in question and then if you find in certain cases that there s a blanket breaking of these values then you stop the cooperation the iraq war in iran you re down you mentioned iran for instance i think there it s very important that we stick to the nuclear deal that we did with iran and that we continue to work constructively with the regime i think that nuclear weapons are a question of the future of mankind and of course if you don t deal with those then what s the point of having values it s also a point of double standards iran is also involved in a lot of massacres is also involved in wars is also involved in syria where hundreds of thousands civilians are not living anymore because iran is involved in that so again they ll use on one hand diplomatic relationship on one hand but to be more active and support these regimes how does this fit with your values while it s of course they don t fit it s very difficult to do and unfortunately we don t live in a world that we all expected would emerge after nine hundred eighty nine where we will be relying on liberal democracy social market economy and globalization the world is not perfect it will not be perfect but i think it s very important that inside the european union we work with these values and of course trying to then export those values through peaceful means we know that the european union and the member states are exporting arms the sporting relationship on the economic scale saudi arabia or russia or egypt torture and murder show twice and massive scale and the e.u. is still doing businesses with those countries we are talking now about businesses these are the values. europe oh no they are not the values of europe the values of europe have to do with peace prosperity security and stability and we try to work towards those every countries in the world is not going to be german french finnish swedish british or anything for that matter but i think it s very important that we continue to work on the basis of our values you re never going to get it pitch perfect i also must remind that the european union is the biggest aid donor in the world i must also remind that the european union countries have this all of the compensation over no other things we re talking to no it s not it s not that by now i think the way in which you re trying to present things i find it extremely simplified and black and white if i understand that no don t like don t do this in the world perspective czars or not they are not you re not are not only without ever having to guard other words you re not listening because you re interrupt me constantly so what i m trying to say is that the world is not perfect if i had a choice we would be based on values having liberal democracies a social market economy and cooperate together piece by piece the world is becoming a better place do we stop cooperation with everyone who doesn t agree with us no i don t think we know that we don t talk about cooperation no you try to make it black and white the question is how intensively are european countries and also the european union for example supporting businesses trade and these are the governments and these are the ministers who are improving all these relation for example with a country like china now you will tell me again we are not china but you and the european union and also your country you are supporting with coming there helping trade for your companies there are these totally terence s stay in and these governments are more in power than they were before how does this match with the values we are talking about. it s definitely not a perfect match but i do think that trade and corporation is a way of bringing nations and entities and areas closer together and my argument this that we re starting to see a china which obviously does a lot of trade do we agree with the way in which they always do business no but i do not believe that we should stop doing that we support more the population in china or the author of having a government if we are coming with a lot of gifts with a lot of military cooperation with trade who is really helped by this i think populations more than regimes because at the end of the day when it comes to economic growth for pleasure so much better off if you look at g.d.p. per capita growth in china it is much greater than it was before when start trying to started openness you could argue that it s a much more open society than it used to be but it certainly is different but the control is increasing the dictatorship is not decreasing and we have a real fieldwork can talk about that s russia. the relations with russia is a very complicated putting is still suppressing its own population there is still no democracy in russia russia has annexed crimea there is no sign that russia will leave that ukraine territory or stop supporting separatists in eastern ukraine the sanctions which the e.u. has imposed on moscow do you. think that they are working what are your suggestions about it s actually pretty much the only instrument that we have with russia what you just said i think is absolutely correct and i do think that the european union took a good and principled decision by pushing those sanctions and keeping them up my argument was of course when i was meeting in peace in georgia as a chairman of the o. a c. but this is when russian foreign policy started to change and we started to see a vial. and and grabbing on to territory again this is what we can do with russia i mean we have one thousand three hundred kilometers of border with russia we know a thing or two about how to deal with the russians i think sanctions are the best instrument that we have at this moment they are not working well i would argue that they re working look at the g.d.p. per capita in russia look at the konami growth uninterruptedly is not changing the policy it s true but you know what do you want us to do you do it by force but for me you were just earlier arguing that we should stop relations for instance with saudi arabia now when i say that now that now i know that i met the relations with i m not sure it s never been a program where developed to speak at all anyway go ahead your question or lecture was europe as part of the pending on energy deliveries from russia if europe was seen this wouldn t it try to wean itself off of russia energy deliveries instead europeans are building more pipelines and russian nuclear reactors that s what you call defending the european values to be strong against russia no it s actually called energy dependency and i do think and i think you re absolutely right that we need to start moving towards more independence in energy and you need to have that as broadest possible but if you look for instance a gas distribution in eastern and central europe it would be impossible to cut off the pipelines at this particular moment. in your platform that state about migration you state we solved the worst migration crisis and now it is time to show all europeans that the situation is under control what do you mean by so. in the sense that in twenty fifteen we had the biggest migratory for flow into europe since world war two we were talking about a million two million illegal immigrants coming in and if you look at the figures in twenty seventeen and twenty three and they are now at the pre twenty fifteen level so it is much better on control than what is was sort of what does it mean solve the problem is still there you have the war in syria you have afghanistan you have refugees and by paying of turkey to keep the refugees three millions of them and that s what you are saying you saw the problem but again we must stop the illusion of utopia and that everything is perfect i think we have mitigated and in that sense solve the problem now it s a question of how you had minister it and of course as you have read my program you will see that i have three proposals on how to deal with it in the future as well how can you say that something is so if at the same time you have three millions of refugees and you are dependent from a dictator who is suppressing his own population he is doing the bad work for europe and you are saying the problem is solved now i think what i suggest also in my programme is three things one is to have asylum centers outside the european union in order to be able to solve the problem and of course they should be funded and based on the u.n.h.c.r. secondly i suggest that we have should have a stronger frontex ten thousand and then thirdly i think we should have humanitarian based the silent quote us now will this solve the problem not completely but it will at least alleviate the pain and help it do i feel that the deal with turkey was the right one pro. bubbly it had a time and a place do i like the turkish regime anetta don t know i don t do a like what they do no i don t but right now at this particular moment we don t have an alternative that means pragmatic policy is. something which has the same value like values. don t understand your point don t know not what happens when you don t like what turkey is doing you don t like the government but you have to understand and we all have to understand this is pragmatic policy it s very pragmatic yes we tried to find a solution to one of the key problems i think that we have in europe which is migration and i think we have been able to mitigate it quite well i think that we have to talk about the key problem which means africa which means some arab countries and then nothing is sold and therefore as you have read my program i also talk about the focus should be on investment in africa through years and years of course it will you know you re talking about you can pay down your program for now you want to be the president in the next month we are talking about now not in three four five years yeah but i mean to be quite honest let s be realistic i have a five week campaign and if i were to claim that i was told the world problems right now that would be absolutely ridiculous i think. not not at all credible so my argument is that what we need to do is to have more corporation for instance with continents such as africa not least because that continent is going to have four billion people inhabitants in two thousand one hundred so we have a lot of work ahead of us yes another if you are of one of your solutions from you can pay a vote we should establish a quota for humanitarian basis saddam seekers for each member state hungary poland slovakia have all rejected any kinds of quota system how are you going to get european governments to support the idea well as i m sure you were listening a little bit earlier i made that point i can repeat it if you want to this is not about. illegal immigrants as such it s about asylum seekers who are international humanitarian based asylum seekers hungary has not said no on a humanitarian based asylum seekers this is a key system whereby you from these centers make some kind of a quota and if you don t do it you can use some flexible solidarity but hungary has not said no to that you have to get your facts right if you re trying to be aggressive in your question in no to asylum seekers and many european eastern european countries say that they don t want any muslims this is correct you heard about that i ve heard about that you were talking about values but if you are the president of this organization some of the country s leaders are saying we don t want any muslims this is religious discrimination isn t it yes i would agree that i think you know we must protect minorities for much protect religious freedom and that s why i talk a lot about values but you see i think i mean the problem that i have with your line of question is is that you make a perception that the world is perfect and everyone needs to have the same opinion i am trying my best to improve the world and give problematic solutions and the feeling that i keep of all the time is that you know will not find a solution if we don t to do it right away and i think as i think we are talking about red lines and racism is a red light in the values and we are now on the racism so i understand your intervention but i apologize here is not black white and here no assumptions of the real let realities far reich center for the parties have gained ground in this country where we are now the czech republic and austria in germany in denmark in hungary in other eastern european countries this is the real europe today and we are talking about this really europe and the question is what happened in the last years and you were also on duty you were prime minister you were part of the european you. and you know these are the red lines used to stop and i fully agree with you what happened was probably two things one was the euro crisis which caused a lot of instability and the other one was the migration crisis which cost a lot of fear in terms of security and i think the model that we have had of societies social market economy liberal democracy hasn t delivered for everyone and my argument is that we need to address these issues but we cannot do it in an aggressive fashion and that s why i m now standing on the barricades to try to first talk about values because they are the anchor of what we have and then try to do policies on the basis of those this is what the populace is doing the explanation you just gave us is on this one hand the other one is that s not an argument patient to vote for parties who are racist center fabric nationalists so this is a political reality and you know what we did in finland we actually hog the populace to death you might remember that in twenty fifteen they came into government and they had three promises no more austerity no more money to greece and no more migration what happened we had to push austerity and we bailed out greece and then . for historical reason we had the biggest migration crisis ever their popularity hogged they split us apart and now they re out of government so that s one solution but not we don t like you want to be the president of the you get as they want this said i have voted when my point is that i have dealt with populists before and i will deal with populists in the future as well this is what i want others to help phyllis yes to a certain extent is. is he a dangerous populous i have made it clear that i don t like is a liberal policy so i don t like his attack on academic freedom or on freedom of n.g.o.s or on freedom of press but he is even one of the grooves in u.a.e. p.p. are you in favor of and this is possible it s not as company. then in the u. of excluding open sfi dish party from the e.p. your family yes and the way in which i would suggest that we go through it this one have a dialogue to have a declaration on values and if unfinished does not sign that declaration of values then they re out viktor orban is and has been also prime minister of hungary has been reelected should hungary be punished by the e.u. for its antidemocratic behavior yes that s why we have article seven that has been put into motion this is what the european union is all about you have to basically show that you put your money where my office you spoke about some reasons not arguments that reasons to understand populism it s only now has a populist anti or starting government that has recently approved a new budget with massive new borrowing they are breaking the rules of eurozone countries on day yes they are and that s why i ve always been very strong on a rules based system the stability and growth pact and i think when you are in bad economic times you should be expansionary when you re good economic times you should probably do the structural reforms and i m quite savvy and a bit scared to watch what s going on in italy at the moment what would be your reaction on italy oh it would be one to follow the rules so i would be very much the guardian of the treaties on this particular case on the other hand you know that austerity for example in spades or in italy we have there a lot of unemployment use unemployment so poverty on the one hand and principles on the other and what is more important they go hand in hand basically you need to have structural reforms in place you need to have an economy that works in order for you to be able to feed the well first of society it s not a give and take it s not only about growth or austerity you need both you said our values are under attack from both inside and outside. the u.p.d. union which a tag is more serious and dangerous i think they re both dangerous you know the way in which president donald trump is acting at this particular moment china which we discussed earlier i d much rather we do the good guys do the algorithms then the chinese and then of course russia so that s the attack from the outside and then from the inside it s also worrying you know i do think this is a big problem that s why we need to try to address it whether it s from italy poland remain here or hungary it s something that we need to deal with if we stand true to our values and was a time where we wouldn t have said outside the united states what change i think the u.s. administration changed you know we have a president right now in the united states who is quite unpredictable does this mean that we are stopping our guys yeah i m a predictable obama italy i think hungary yeah when it comes yeah no when it comes to european policy we re quite predictable when it comes to trade when it comes to foreign and security policy when it comes to crisis management when it comes to believing in the values that is really ours to use to the u.p.a. who are not credible not all of these parties and of credible anyway what is the difference between mr albany and mr trump regarding the fact that it s a small country a big country well of a asli mr orban is a prime minister donald trump is a president of the united states when it comes to values they probably have a lot of similarities but mr orban is not europe he comes from a country of ten million people which is great in and of itself but europe is much more than one specific but members of the engine all member states are going into the direction of totalitarianism of the destruction of the rule for the all 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i served at the hostel. jermyn street. the opinion is on the brink n.t.e.u. populists are making gains across the continent and britain could leave without a breakfast deal this week conflict zone as in proc well i had caught up with alex the fool my finnish prime minister has launched a campaign to become the next president of the european commission can effects europe. summer still well come to a conflict zone thank you you have launched an unprecedented compay into replays on clothes at the president of the u.p.a. and commission you can paint program talks a lot about values vote if i were to say in one word why i m running for commission president it is values do you peon values and when you believe the european space no i think actually european values are global for me they re universal so they have to do with human rights fundamental rights liberty liberal democracy rule of law equality and tolerance of for me these are inalienable they are part of who we are as human beings so they re not all european if they are global let s talk about the vote. he said the e.u. has links with regimes some of. which. we talk about turkey he said and we are right too but never we talked about saudi arabia tell me something about saudi arabia well saudi arabia is obviously a middle eastern country very oil rich not democratic gave the right for women to drive cars only the past in the past few years and right now is in the middle of a journalist murder case. so what are the sanctions what are the ideas what is the reaction of the e.u. if you would have been the president today well i think the main tool that the european union has basically are sanctions and obviously with russia we use them because they annexed the crimean peninsula and they have been intimidated in ukraine and then in every specific case we look at so well legitimacy of use if it case so there rabia yeah first thing you would do is to basically go through what has happened and on the basis of the evidence that you have you get the member states together to clear this journalist enter the consulate and you never came out so they are no really near it because what happened there and no secrets what happened there that s why again what s about saudi arabia today from your perspective but from my perspective i think we d have to first get the member states together then put a declaration then decide in common on the basis of unanimity on something almost actions well you know i think personally if if this has been if this has been a organized official murder then action must be taken but we don t need to wait for that saudi arabia is responsible for hundreds of thousands of victims children women in yemen it s a brutal war against the civil population what should be the answer of the european union to words that massacre well depends on which massacre you re talking about and by which country i think it s very important really i think it s very important to be i think it s very important to be principled when it comes to foreign policy you have to look at the whole situation in the middle east draw conclusions from that and then see what kind of relationship you have with saudi arabia european relations with saudi arabia or of course not as close for instance as the americans want american want to still there if it is still early as well in the human terran catastrophe in yemen. yes so far has not stopped you peons arms shipments we are involved in europe with this in you opinion should those arms shipments be stopped i think you have to be very careful when it comes to arms shipment and i actually work as the chairman of the board of the crisis management initiative which is this august the nobel peace laureate center and we do a lot of work in yemen at this particular moment to try to do peace mediation and of course when it comes to arms it never helps it s again a very concrete question still be stopped on not these arms yes and no actually it is not about concrete and it s not that black and white because it depends on very well it depends not depends on the arms that you re talking about they re talking about satellite surveillance are you talking about the types of industries i talk about rabiah with this. union is supporting a hold on hold you have to be a little bit more of a civic you have to be a little bit more specific than that the european union is not providing arms it is member states from the european sort of it and maybe the member states that are doing it name that name first which are you talking about and which countries are talking about then i guess you re talking no but no you know this is the let s work this if you are you prince don t give me generalities start giving me some concrete start in those that aren t you know about are you principally for or against support of saudi arabia arms or whatever it is it s not i mean foreign policy i m afraid is not that binary you have to look at it from a much broader perspective i think the key issue when we talk about values is what kind of values you stick to yourself and then you have to take those decisions on those principles so democracy is dictatorship suppressing your own population or not being an aggressive country and regime or no these are the values and we re talking about the values you want to defend in europe. so why not in saudi arabia why not in iran for example well i think in both cases you have to work with the country in question and then if you find in certain cases that there s a blanket breaking of these values then you stop the cooperation on iraq morning iran you re done you mentioned iran for instance i think there it s very important that we stick to the nuclear deal that we did with iran and that we continue to work constructively with the regime i think that nuclear weapons are a question of the future of mankind and of course if you don t deal with those then what s the point of having values it s also a point of double standards iran is also involved in a lot of massacres is also involved in wars is also involved in syria where hundreds of thousands civilians are not living anymore because iran is involved in that so again they ll use on one hand diplomatic relationship on one hand but to be more active and support these regimes how does this fit with your values while it s of course they don t fit it s very difficult to do and unfortunately we don t live in a world that we all expected would emerge after nine hundred eighty nine where we will be relying on liberal democracy social market economy and globalization the world is not perfect it will not be perfect but i think it s very important that inside the european union we work with these values and of course try to then export those values through peaceful means we know that the european union and the member states are exporting arms their sporting relationship on the economic scale as saudi arabia or russia or egypt torture and murder so tries a massive scale and the u.s. still doing business as with those countries we are talking now about business these are the values. europe oh no they are not the values of europe the values of europe have to do with peace prosperity security and stability and we try to work towards those every countries in the world is not going to be german french finnish swedish british or anything for that matter but i think it s very important that we continue to work on the basis of our values you re never going to get it pitch perfect i also must remind the big european union is the biggest aid donor in the world i must also remind that the european union countries have this horrible compensation over no other things we re talking to no it s not it s not that by now i think the way in which you re trying to present things i find it extremely simplified and black and white if i don t stand that no i don t like this in the world perspectives sorry or not they are not you re not are not only without ever having to guard our voice you re not listening because you re interrupt me constantly so what i m trying to say is that the world is not perfect if i had a choice we would be based on values having liberal democracy is a social market economy and cooperate together piece by piece the world is becoming a better place do we stop corporation with everyone who doesn t agree with us no i don t think we don t we don t talk about cooperation no you try to make it black and white the question is how intensively are european countries and also the european union for example supporting businesses trade and these are the governments and the ministers who are improving all these relation for example with a country like china now you will tell me again we are not china but you and the european union and also your country you are supporting with coming there helping trade for your companies that these totally terence s stadium and these governments are more in power than they were before how does this. meche with the values we are talking about it s definitely not a perfect match but i do think that trade and corporation is a way of bringing nations and to tease and areas closer together and my argument this that we re starting to see a china which obviously does a lot of trade do we agree with the way in which they always do business no but i do not believe that we should stop doing that we support more the population in china or the author of having a government if we are coming with a lot of gifts with a lot of military cooperation with trade who is really helped by this i think populations more than regimes because at the end of the day when it comes to economic growth for pleasure so much better off if you look at g.d.p. per capita growth in china it is much greater than it was before when start trying to started openness you could argue that it s a much more open society than it used to be but it certainly is different but the control is increasing the dictatorship is not decreasing and we have a real feel who can talk about that s russia. the relations with russia is a very complicated putting is still suppressing its own population there is still no democracy in russia russia has annexed crimea there is no sign that russia will leave that ukraine territory or stop supporting separatists in eastern ukraine the sanctions which the e.u. has imposed on moscow do you think that they are working what are you suggestions about it s actually pretty much the only instrument that we have with russia what you just said i think is absolutely correct and i do think that the european union took a good and principled decision by pushing those sanctions and keeping them up my argument was of course when i was media giving peace in georgia as a chairman of the o. a c. but this is when russian. foreign policy started to change and we started to see violence and grabbing on to territory again this is what we can do with russia i mean we have one thousand three hundred kilometers of border with russia we know things too about how to deal with the russians i think sanctions are the best instrument that we have at this moment they are not working well i would argue that they re working look at the g.d.p. per capita in russia look at the konami growth and instruction is not changing the policy it s true but you know what do you want us to do you do it by force but for me you were just earlier arguing that we should stop relations for instance with saudi arabia i think now when i say that now that now i know that i met the relations with me not sure it s never been a program where developed to speak at all anyway go ahead your question or lecture was europe as part of the pending on energy deliveries from russia if europe was here this wouldn t try to wean itself off of russia energy deliveries instead europeans are building more pipelines and russian nuclear reactors that s what you call defending the european values to be strong against russia no it s actually called and energy dependency and i do think and i think you re absolutely right that we need to start moving towards more independence in energy and you need to have that as broadest possible but if you look for instance a gas distribution in eastern and central europe it would be impossible to cut off the pipelines at this particular moment. in your platform that state about migration you state we solved the worst migration crisis and now it is time to show all europeans that the situation is under control what do you mean by so. in the sense that in twenty fifteen we had the biggest migratory for flow into europe since world war two we were talking about a million two million illegal immigrants coming in and if you look at the figures in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen they are now at the pre twenty fifteen level so it is much better on control than it was was sort of what does it mean solve the problem is still there you have the war in syria you have afghanistan you have refugees and by paying of turkey to keep the refugees three millions of them and that s what you are saying you so live the problem but again we must stop the illusion of utopia and that everything is perfect i think we have mitigated and in that sense solve the problem now it s a question of how you administer it and of course as you have read my program you will see that i have three proposals on how to deal with it in the future as well how can you say that something is so if at the same time you have three millions of refugees and you are dependent from a dictator who is suppressing his own population he is doing the bad work for europe and you are saying the problem is solved so i think what i suggest also in my program is three things one is to have asylum centers outside the european union in order to be able to solve the problem and of course they should be e.u. funded and based on the u.n.h.c.r. secondly i suggest that we have should have a stronger frontex ten thousand and then thirdly i think we should have humanitarian based the silent quote us now will this solve the problem not completely but it will at least alleviate the pain and help it do i feel that the deal with turkey was the right one. bubbly it had a time and a place do i like the turkish regime anetta don t know i don t do a like what they do no i don t but right now at this particular moment we don t have an alternative that means magic policy is. something which has the same value like values. don t understand your point don t know not what happens when you don t like what turkey is doing you don t like the government but you have to understand and we all have to understand this is pragmatic policy it s very pragmatic yes we try to find a solution to one of the key problems i think that we have in europe which is migration and i think we have been able to mitigate it quite well i think that we have to talk about the key problem which means africa which means some arab countries and there nothing is sold and therefore as you have read my program i also talk about the focus should be on investment and after going through years and years of course it will you know you re talking about you can pay and you approach for now you want to be the president in the next month we re talking about now not in three four five years yeah but i mean to be quite honest let s be realistic i have a five week campaign and if i were to claim that i ll solve the world s problems right now that would be absolutely ridiculous i think. not not at all credible so my argument is that what we need to do is to have more corporation for instance with continents such as africa not least because that continent is going to have four billion people inhabitants in two thousand and one hundred so we have a lot of work ahead of us yes another if you are of one of your solutions from the compay vote we should establish a quota for humanitarian basis saddam seekers for each member state hungary poland slovakia have all rejected any kinds of voter system how are you going to get european governments to support the idea well as i m sure you were listening a little bit earlier i made that point i can repeat it if you want to this is not about. illegal immigrants as such it s about asylum seekers who are international humanitarian based asylum seekers hungary has not said no on a humanitarian based asylum seekers this is a key system whereby you from these centers make some kind of a quota and if you don t do it you can use some flexible solidarity but hungary has not said no to that you have to get your facts right if you re trying to be aggressive in their questioning no two asylum seekers and many european eastern european countries say that they don t want any muslims this is correct you heard about that about that you were talking about values but if you are the president of this organization some of the country leaders are saying we don t want any muslims this is religious discrimination isn t it yes i would agree that i think you know we must protect minorities for much protect religious freedom and that s why i talk a lot about values but you see i think i mean the problem that i have with your line of question is is that you make a perception that the world is perfect and everyone needs to have the same opinion i am trying my best to improve the world and give problematic solutions and the feeling that i keep of all the time is that you know will not find a solution if we don t do it right away and i think as i think we are talking about red lines and racism is a red light in the values and we are now on racism so i understand your intervention but i apologize here is not black white and here are no assumptions of the real let realities far reich s and the fog parties have gained ground in this country where we are now the czech republic and austria in germany in denmark in hungary in other eastern european countries this is the real europe today and we are talking about this really europe and the question is what happened in the last years and you were also on duty you were prime minister you were part of the european you. and you know these are the red lines this to stop yeah and i fully agree with you what happened was probably two things one was the euro crisis which caused a lot of instability and the other one was the migration crisis which cost a lot of fear in terms of security and i think the model that we have had of societies social market economy liberal democracy hasn t delivered for everyone and my argument is that we need to address these issues but we cannot do it in an aggressive fashion and that s why i m now standing on the barricades to try to first talk about values because they are the anchor of what we have and then try to do policies on the basis of those five this is also what the populace is doing the explanation you just gave us is on his one hand the other one is that s not an argument patient to vote for parties what race is center fabric nationalists so this is a political reality and you know what we did in finland we actually hog the populace to death you might remember that in twenty fifteen they came into government and they had three promises no more austerity no more money to greece and no more migration what happened we had to push austerity and we bailed out greece and then . for historical reason we had the biggest migration crisis ever their popularity hogged they split us a party and now they re out of government so that s one solution but not the only way you want to be the president of the you. want this and i have voted with my board is that i have dealt with populists before and i will deal with populists in the future as well this is what i was i was a populous yes to a certain extent is. is he a dangerous populists i have made it clear that i don t like is a liberal policy so i don t like his attack on academic freedom or on freedom of n.g.o.s or on freedom of press but he is even one of the groups in u.a.e. p.p. are you in favor of and this is possible it s not as company. then in the you of excluding opens feed this party from the e.p. your family yes and the way in which i would suggest that we go through at this one have a dialogue to have a declaration on values and if orban unfinished does not sign that declaration of values then they re out viktor orban is and has been also prime minister of hungary has been reelected should hungary be punished by the e.u. for its antidemocratic behavior yes that s why we have article seven that has been put into motion this is what the european union is all about you have to basically show that you put your money where my office you spoke about some reasons not arguments but reasons to understand populism italy now has a populist anti or start a government that has recently approved a new budget with massive new borrowing they are breaking the rules of eurozone countries on day yes they are and that s why i ve always been very strong on a rules based system the stability and growth pact and i think when you are in bad economic times you should be expansionary when you re good economic times you should probably do the structural reforms and i m quite sad and a bit scared to watch what s going on in italy at the mo what would be your reaction on italy oh it would be one to follow the rules so i would be very much the guardian of the treaties on this particular case on the other hand you know that austerity for example in spades or in italy we have there a lot of unemployment queues unemployment so poverty on the one hand and principles on the other and what is more important they go hand in hand basically you need to have structural reforms in place you need to have an economy that works in order for you to be able to feed the well first aside it s not a give and take it s not only about growth or austerity you need both you said our values are under attack from both inside and outside. the u.p.d. union which a tag is more serious and dangerous i think they re both dangerous you know the way in which president donald trump is acting at this particular moment china which we discussed earlier i d much rather we do the good guys do the algorithms then the chinese and then of course russia so that s the attack from the outside and then from the inside it s also worrying you know i do think this is a big problem that s why we need to try to address it whether it s from italy poland remain here or hungary it s something that we need to deal with if we stand true to our values and was a time where we wouldn t have said outside the united states what change i think the u.s. administration changed you know we have a president right now in the united states who is quite unpredictable does this mean that we are stopping or does yeah i m a predictable obama italy i think hungary yeah when it comes to yeah i know when it comes to european policy we re quite predictable when it comes to trade when it comes to foreign and security policy when it comes to crisis management when it comes to believing that the iraqis really aren t used to the u.p.a. who are not credible you know a lot of these power to some of the credible anyway what is the difference between mr albany and mr trump regarding the fact that it s a small country a big country. the asli mr orban is a prime minister donald trump is a president of the united states when it comes to values they probably have a lot of similarities but mr orban is not europe he comes from a country of ten million people which is great in and of itself but europe is much more than one specific but members of the engine all member states are going into the direction of totalitarianism of the destruction of the rule for the all the freedom of press this is then this is easy on the part of you again and this is exactly the reason that someone needs to stand up on the barricades and defend european and global values 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think markets could revolutionize the way we think the world. will come to. us all prices hit a 4 month high for. the world s largest crude processing plant in saudi arabia over the weekend it was the biggest since the go for in 1901 brant crude initially shot up 19 percent before retreating to around 67 u.s. dollars a barrel still up 10 percent from last week u.s. senior official blames iran for the attacks president. u.s. war was locked and loaded for a potential response also approved the real release of us all reserves these are the images that have sparked political and economic turmoil around the world saudi arabia has largest oil refinery up in flames half of the country s oil production slashed at least temporarily in one fell swoop appearing on a t.v. station sympathetic to their cause who is based in yemen said they carried out the attack there supported by iran an arch rival of the united states the american president posted a belligerent tweet in response there is reason to believe that we know the culprits he wrote we are locked and loaded depending on verification with political tensions are already in flames the economic consequences became apparent as soon as markets opened on monday oil prices initially surged by 20 percent before falling again someone else said he a rabia is the world s 2nd largest producer after the united states analysts say the effect on the global economy could be dire. i mean. much more likely. already in there from. chinese growth in china. and growth in the us. the last thing we need. is. it may be the last thing we need but with 5700000 barrels of oil a day that s 5 percent of the world s supply now in jeopardy disruption appears unavoidable. he s an oil market analyst at the share center and joins us from london hello we heard about supply how significant is this attack it with regards to world oil supply. well yes very significant facility advocate who produces roughly 1800000 barrels a day. this attack has taken out roughly 5700000 barrels a day so more than half of saudi arabia s oil production in that equates roughly about 5 percent of global oil production so 5 percent is a very very significant amount you can understand the market s reaction opening up by 20 percent you know as soon as the futures markets open over the weekend and you know at the moment roughly 10 percent down so it really does show how worried the global world market is regards to supplies going forward well some being hit more hard hardly than others india china japan south korea all major importers of saudi oil how vulnerable are there to this crisis. what i think is what they they do all have strategic reserves we ve heard that creates going to release think and think about rich releasing strategic reserves china has enough reserves as well but if i mean i ve seen estimates in terms of the impact to g.d.p. from various other. economic analysts they vary if all prices stay up to about $70.00 a barrel the impact very slow for china maybe not so much but for the smaller countries such as korea it can have rough you know point 3 percent impact on g.d.p. but it s not g.d.p. you ve got to look at inflation and the likes of korea could add a half percentage point to annual inflation for that country so you know the major importers are going to be the ones that suffer more disproportionately especially in asia and other reporters who are very briefly if you can study arabia said to become a significant importer of refined products who will benefit yeah and saudi arabia given how large it s all export sites actually relatively weak all the refinery and a lot of it s all goes up to the likes of india south korea and japan so most likely you know those products are refined over there and they ll most likely make their way back to saudi arabia in the form of the form of diesel and petrol learned fuel provides. thank you very much. along with developments in saudi arabia the latest figures from china have provided a double whammy for investors they show a deepening of the country s economic slowdown so a closer look at this chinese industrial output grew by just 4.4 percent during august compared to a year ago that s the slowest for more than 17 years so latest sign of the continuing impact off the trade war with the u.s. and fall in domestic demand both factors have seen growth in the chinese economy steadily fall since the start of last year just 6.2 percent during the 2nd quarter of this year and time is authorities are clearly expecting it to fall further premier league kyung has now been quoted as saying that maintaining growth of above 6 percent is going to be very difficult against what he calls the backdrop of a complicated international situation now let s bring in joins us from singapore and i hope you can hear me our consul right now how did markets react to this double whammy well needless to say it was among asian markets took it very hot it was read all across the board except for taiwan and of course japan that close for a holiday today so there was there was no movement over there but yes it was writ all across the board today in the asian markets where we ve heard the big asian economies are most vulnerable to this oil shock what are they doing what can they do to counteract these effects. well get hot in the coming days and weeks we ll see it we ll see a lot of a conservative ness from investors of traders on not expecting there to be a treat deal negotiated when trump and presidency meet next month early next month they also won t be a stimulus unlike the one we saw in europe just last week but that we may see we may see some kind of rate cuts for medium loans from the chinese central bank in order to ease what s happening with the global industrial numbers now overall we ll be hearing a very measured tone coming from china and it s now a question of whether the government can tolerate the slower growth rather than finding solutions to fix it. in singapore thank you and on to some of the other global business stories making headlines today pakistan central by left its benchmark interest rate unchanged at 13.25 percent on monday as consumer price inflation finally appears to stabilize consumer costs in the country have jumped over the past year with a devaluation of the rupee stance if you had a 6000000000 dollar i.m.f. bailout in july. u.s. drugmaker purge you pharma has filed for bankruptcy the manufacturer of oxycontin the drug at the heart of the u.s. opioid crisis wants to shield itself from fastens of lawsuits last we heard you reached a deal to settle most of the lawsuits by providing more than $10000000000.00 u.s. dollars to address your p.r. crisis. trying not to cringe buck maggots could revolutionize the way we feed the world s fusing insects especially for animal food ingredients looks like a sustainable option for the future up the dutch company pro takes is hoping to grow this rigging market these maggots or 20 days old 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