announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hi there. i m brooke baldwin. you re watching cnn. thank you for being with me today. all eyes on democrats who in different ways to pose a pla problem for president trump staying in the white house. joe biden and nancy pelosi. joe biden is expected to speak as donald trump continues baseless accusations against joe biden and his son hunter in the ukraine. the comments come as sources tell cnn speaker pelosi is addressing a resolution to address the phone call with the ukrainian president, happening as calls for impeachment are growing. among them a group of moderate freshmen lawmakers in swing districts with all of national security backgrounds. we ll talk with one in a few moments. speaker pelosi and biden are about to speak as president trump gives yet another reason why he originally withheld millions in military aid from ukraine after that whistle-blower complaint came to light. one day ago he cited corruption. and now he s pointing the blame at europe. listen to this. we want to make sure that country is honest. very important to talk about corruption. if you don t talk about corruption why give money to a country that you think is corrupt? one of the reasons the new president got elected is he was going to stop corruption. my complaint has always been and i withhold again and will continue to withhold until such time as europe and other nations contribute to ukraine, because they re not doing it. just the united states. we re putting up the bulb of k e money. why is that? trump insists never any quid pro quo involving ukraine and a phone call with its president about biden and his son. start with cnn political courter at the hotel where biden will be shortly speaking. arlette what will he be calling for? reporter: in a short while, joe biden will speak here in his hometown of wilmington, delaware and talk about president trump not complying that impeachment should be proceeded upon and biden will go further than ever before than calls for impeachment today. what a top campaign aide told us earlier this afternoon. they said he ll make the point trump s latest abuses are on top of all of his prior abuses and going to call on trump to comply with all of congress outstanding lawful requests for information and the ukraine matter and in the other investigations, and if trump does not comply, congress has no choice but to impeach. now, joe biden has been at the center of this controversy relating to president trump and ukraine and the whistle-blower after it was revealed that the president spoke with the ukrainian president trying to pressure him to investigate joe biden s son hunter biden. there s no evidence of wrongdoing on the bidens part, now you see the former vice president go farther than ever before in regards to impeachment and as you see other democrats across the country, across party spectrum, who are also now coming forward saying that impeachment must be pursued. we will hear from joe biden expected here within the next hour to talk about these comments. brooke? we ll stand by for that and take it. arlette, thank you for now. so will trump become the third u.s. president to face impeachment? the drum beats are indeed getting louder and louder. we are learning house speaker nancy pelosi plans to put a resolution on the house floor tomorrow addressing ukraine. she meets with all of the democrats in her chamber, just two hours from now. she s been talking with the democratic chairs of six house committees today sounding out their views on whether to get impeachment proceedings rolling. speaker pelosi told our correspondent jeff zeleny that democrats will have no choice but to move forward with an inquiry. the number of democrats calling for that impeachment inquiry keeps grows. look at your screen. look at that. 158 at last count. veteran congressman john lewis giving a fiery speech on the house floor today. we cannot delay! we must not wait. now is the time to act. i have been patient when we tried every other path and used every other tool. i truly believe the time to begin impeachment proceedings against this president has come. congressman lewis voice adding to those democrats who have been demanding impeachmented proceedings for months. we need to actually start doing our job, and part of that is opening an impeachment inquiry i ve called for since december 2017. it s the right thing to do regardless of the politics and you see more and more democrats moving in this direction. to be clear, there s not a single democrat who s moved from pro-impeachment debate to against it. right. and then also this. seven first-term house democrats all from competitive swing districts all military or intelligence or national xu security penning this op-ed in the washington post saying if allegations of ukraine are true it is an impeach ant offense. sunlen serfaty is with me now. pelosi resisted impeachment now saying we have no choice, planning to put this resolution out on the floor. what s the temperature in capitol hill? different than just 24 hours ago, brooke. feels like essentially an air of inevitability to all this amidst fast-moving developments on the part of house democrats today. you mentioned the rapidly growing numbers of house democrats that are now coming out saying that they are in support of impeachment and certainly notable among those numbers is who exactly is coming out. you mentioned those moderate house freshmen from swing districts, came out with an op-ed. many allies and close friends of speaker pelosi aligned with her strategy from the start saying, yes, add my name to this impeachment group. significant not only in numbers but significant in who is calling for impeachment. of course, the biggest factor here is speaker of the house nancy pelosi. as you said, she has been huddling with folks all day the last 24 hours. she will meet with six committee chairs today. kind of to talk strategy and then that big, key, important meeting at 4:00 p.m. today with the entire house democratic guac is where we believe of some sort of plan will emerge from that meeting and how democrats will exactly proceed next. if they indeed will move towards formal impeachment proceedings. we know that pelosi will speak moments after that. potentially we ll hear her ultimate decision, of course, she s been reticent in the past. again it feels like the tide has shifted up here on capitol hill and we know according to sources she s paying attention to you a the voia all the voices within her caucus. we ll pay extra attention coming up next. my next guest says president trump s july 25th call with his ukrainian counterpart is a game changer and a critical reason why this democratic congresswoman a navy veteran flipped urging the second district from blue to red in the midterm and why she signed on to this joint op-ed. six fellow freshmen writing in the allegations are true the time for impeachment has come and s the congresswoman is with me now in washington. congresswoman, pleasure to have you on thank you. thank you, brooke. you issued this statement saying president trump has betrayed the public trust, adan donald his obligations to the constitution and you write that allegations of gross misconduct meet the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. congresswoman, do you think this incident with ukraine s president makes the justification clear to you and to the american public? brooke, this makes it crystal clear. at this point you have the president of the united states enlisting a foreign leader to conduct an investigation to do nothing but smear and malign his political opponent to bolster his chances for re-election, then on top of that, withholding foreign aid in the amount of $250 million, this is just clear-cut. this is beyond the pale, and this is an offense if it isn t impeachable what is? so you re saying crystal clear, your op-ed mentions a potential quid pro quo. right? wi withholding aid in exchange for information on the bidens. does it matter the president did not provincially mention money in the phone call? doesn t matter. could be explicit. even an explicit connection between the two. i mean, put your shoes in the president of ukraine s feet. president zelensky. the president of the united states promised this $250 million in security assistance you re in position as well in 2014, your country invaded by russia and crimea and it s critical assistance to provide protection for your national security. then you re asked to conduct an investigation to smear the political opponent of the president of another country. how could it not be immiss itpl connected? the speaker read your op-ed flying back to washington and got a heads up of it coming out in the post. have you, any colleagues of yours heard from the speaker s office and do you know her reaction to your decision? we all spoke to the speaker before this. i mean, i was 20 years in the navy and i know you never want to surprise anyone in the chain of command and the speaker values all of our opinions, and was very glad to have the discussion with us and understand that we had made this decision. i made this decision independently. then through discussion with my colleagues found that we were all on the same page. this was glaring misconduct and it just met a threshold that we felt was imperative we move forward and fortunate to have sorry colleagues in the national security myself in the military and former cia as well. the seven of us came together and said we have to do this and speak as one voice to make sure the american public understands that we see the severity in this. when you gave speaker pelosi the heads up what was her reaction to you? her reaction is as it always has been whenever i ve let her another about a decision i ve node, elaine you represent your district and do what is right tore your district and pivoting 0en that in this case, what i did was what i think will set congress to make a tough decision. okay. and we know that later this afternoon she s speaking with your caucus. if she listens to you, if they takes your words to heart what is next, congresswoman? in terms of selling this to an american public? take it to a primetime address? what could she do, do you think? i m learning. watching the broadcast here. former vice president biden will be speaking, then i will be attending the caucus meeting at 4:00 and i know that that s a very good forum for all of us to speak and leadership and the speaker all other members listen closely to what we have to say as colleagues and what we re going to do for decisions around the country and next after that, just based off what i ve learned during your broadcast she will make a public statement at some point today. okay. congresswoman luria, thank you very much. appreciate it. thank you for all your years in the navy serving this country as well. thank you. breaking news coverage continues as we hear from vice president biden shortly. talk about the latest trump scandal and whether it will stick. even before the events of today, a warning issued from veterans of hillary clinton s team to team biden. it s only going to get worse, they say. i m brooke baldwin, we ll be right back. onase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief cake in the conference room! showing em you re ready. to be your own boss. that s the beauty of your smile. crest s three dimensional whitening. .removes stains,. .whitens in-between teeth. .and protects from future stains. crest. healthy, beautiful smiles for life. mytill he signed up for atunitedhealthcareealth medicare complete. now, it s like he has his own health entourage. he gets medicare s largest healthcare network, a free gym membership, vision, dental and more. there s so much to take advantage of. can t wait till i m 65. a few more chairs, please. unitedhealthcare medicare complete plans, the only plans with the aarp name. free dental care and eye exams, and free designer eyewear. go ahead, take advantage. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.rkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you ll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking, or life-threatening allergic and skin reactions. decrease alcohol use. use caution driving or operating machinery. tell your doctor if you ve had mental health problems. the most common side effect is nausea. talk to your doctor about chantix. it also has the highest growth in manufacturing jobs in the us. it s a competition for the talent. employees need more than just a paycheck. you definitely want to take advantage of all the benefits you can get. 2/3 of employees said that the workplace is an important source for personal savings and protection solutions. the workplace should be a source of financial security. keeping your people happy is what keeps your people. that s financial wellness. put your employees on a path to financial wellness with prudential. the president who apparently or evidently reached out to a foreign leader to ask that foreign leader to investigate one of his domestic political reischls, which is another way of saying that is the president of the united states asked a foreign government to interfere in an election and possibly subordinated american national security interests to his own personal needs and desires. my question to you is, is that an impeach ant offense? well, first let me say how pleased i am to be here this afternoon. it s a busy day. and to be, the program opening with the arts is something i was very excited about, because, well, i ll get to your question so the the fact is that i ve tried to avoid the situation that we re in now, because it was very divisive for the country. this administration has done irreparable not irreparable. let s hope it s reparable but we must repair and we must heal. for me relating that to yo yo and chris, it is about the arts. i always believed that the arts would bring us together. and we can come together, listen, be inspired, laugh, cry, just enjoy and put our differences aside, that s a very positive thing. when we hear the battle hymn of the republic it arouses such emotion in all of us that we are united. so i thank atlantic festival, used to be called a different name when i was in high school. i apologize. the atlantic for recognizing the role that music and the arts play in our lives and i do believe that that is a path that can unify us, one way. the you asked about, what? let me justsy that last tuesday, last tuesday, september 17th, was constitution day. the anniversary of that day when benjamin franklin came out of independence hall and people said, dr. frank lip what lin wh have? a republic or a monarchy? a republic if we can keep it. that very day last tuesday erupted this remarkable set of facts, on constitution day, and it was about the i.g., inspector general, at the office of the director of national intelligence saying that there was a whistle-blower complaint. and then we learned that it was going to be blocked from being presented, and that the dni was not going to allow it to come forward. so let me just say this. i have more experience in intelligence than anybody in the congress. at least 25 years. i was a member of the committee. i was the top democrat. i was the adam schiff. we didn t have majority, so i say ranking member but made me of the member of gang of four years ago and ex-officio as lee. ray: leader and speaker and have been there for the writing of you las, whistle-blowers and further preshgz protections for along the way. and there for writing of director of intelligence, director since 2004. that office has its own inspector general. this inspector general is appointed by president bush excuse me. trump. important difference. by president trump. his so appointee. inspector generals are greatly respected for independence, objectivity and the rest and by law when a complaint comes from a whistle-blower, the inspector general has 14 days to investigate and then the directive of national intelligence has seven days to report it to the intelligence committees of the congress. that is the law. it says shall. it doesn t say, may, should. it says shall, that s a fraught with meaning word in the administration, but this administration is blocking the dni from don vai conveying that intelligence committees. the dni at the present time is breaking the law at the direction of the administration. it s really unfortunate. so to the substance of the we don t know. no. i don t we sort of do. i mean, the president has in so many words, said that he s raised these questions with the ukrainians, and he s, in effect, admitted that he s intervened on the quote/unquote biden issue. well, again, and he has referenced that, and if that is the case, that the president of the united states would ask a foreign government to assist him in a political way, that would be wrong. would it be impeachable? let me just say that everything we ve been doing up until now is about preserving that republic that benjamin franklin said, prrepublic, if w can keep it, and that means it s not a monarchy and we have a system of checks and balances in our constitution. three coequal branches of government toing a check on each other, and that, that is a republic, is a democracy. it is not a monarchy. the public the president has said, article 2 says i can do whatever i want. that is in violation of the spirit of the constitution. now, our founders wanted to provide for, shall we say, some activities that they might not themselves engage in and put up guardrails that they never could suspect that a president of the united states would jump over those guardrails. i want to widen out the aperture and round this out. if what we re describing is accurate and not impeachable, if you re not willing to say it s a impeachable offense, what is impeachable to you? let me just say i ll be making annie nou announcement a today. not here right now. well, you re more than welcome to make an announcement right now? it s really sad to think that a president would perform an impeachable offense. it s hard. you know, it s hard to say we ve got ton that place, but what would be an impeachable offense would be that which is proven in a, in an investigation. right. that investigation the calling for, convening a select committee on an impeachment is the beginning of a process, a discovery process. not the end. so you don t have to have enough proof to convict at the outset of process. my question, i guess, is you said is it an impeachable offense and that is a verdict. given what we know and given what the president is saying i mean, the analogy is crude but we seem to be in a situation at the moment in which richard nixon after the watergate break-in said something akin to, yeah, i broke into the watergate. i needed to see what the dnc knew. i mean i mean, donald trump says, says out loud what most people say to themselves. i mean and and so, i m not going to belabor this forever. no. i think you are. no. but let me just say in terms of the nixon analogy, the president is making lawlessness a virtue in our country. in that call he sort of is trying to exploit it. so understand that. so we have several concerns about the president in terms of our differences in policy and i d love to tell you that all the legislation we have passed that we re hoping to-of-the sena the senate will take up. starting with gun violence. tomorrow, gun violence initiative, activities on capitol hill and beyond and around the country. so we have some differences in terms of policy. you might want to know that the president called me this morning about gun vile. violence saying we were getting close to a solution. open parenthetical. what is that call like on a day like today? somebody said to me, last night, they said give us a surreal moment with, about the president and your conversations with him? i said, it s more like it s always surreal. give you a normal moment. was this a relatively normal call? yeah, well, he called to talk about gun violence and weighed into other things. can you give an indication what the other things are? not right now, but i was concerned just in terms of being global, that the president said, i have to get off the phone now because i m going to go speak at the united nations, and it s great. everything s great here. it s great. so i did i didn t have a chance to listen to his speech. i was too busy so that i could have time to come here, but he said that he called upon the countries to reject globalism and embrace nationalism. really? really? so, again, we have some serious policy differences, and in terms of multilateralism and who we are as a country. i ll tell you a story about me. when i was a girl, a young girl, i was a student and i went to president kennedy s inauguration. it was freezing cold. it was much smaller on the east side of the kaptacapitol. all of you are too young but you read it in history books knows president kennedy said to citizens of america ask not what america can do for you but what you can do for your country. everybody knows that. the very next sentence in the speech is what struck me, because, a student of political science and international relations. the very next sentence he said to the citizens of the world ask not what america can do for you but what we can do working together for the freedom of mankind. freedom. freedom. the part that really stuck with me was the working together. no condescension. it was working together. not what we do for you, but what we do together. that multilateralism has been a source of our strength. so when i see the president call for rejecting globalism and embracing nationalism, when i see him questioning our involvement in article 5 of nato and the rest, and i see his actions vis-a-vis afghanistan, we went in together, multilaterally but he s coming out ein laterally, then you see why there s pause for questioning amongst some of our allies. there s change the subject edition? beforehand she said she woon wanted to discuss the cello. already a victory. according to what we re getting on the screen, a breaking tweet from the president who says that tomorrow they will release a transcript of the zelensky call. so my question to you is, if you see that transcript and it is more benign than we ve been led to believe, will you, do you think that your caucus might stand down a little bit or do you think that the caucus is at a boil right now? you re going to find out no. it s not about that. this is about the constitution of it s united states and many other shall we say candidates of impeachable offense in terms of the constitution, but this is the most understandable by the public. it s really important to know this. there is no requirement there be a quid pro quo in the conversation. if the president brings up he wants them to investigate something, that s to of his political opponent, that is self-evident that it is not right. you don t ask foreign governments to help us in our election. that s what we try to stop with russia. it s wrong. so it s not only about how to make decisions about our foreign policy and our global security. it s about undermining the integrity of our election. a. b., i don t think there s a i don t know. i don t think there s a grasp on the part of this administration that the quid pro quo is not essential to an impeachable offense, but if you have sequencing, like a couple of days before the president withdrew the bipartisan support for ukraine. bipartisan enthusiastic support for ukraine a few days earlier, he withdraws it, then makes this statement, president s words way tons. weigh tons. and just bringing up the election is bad enough. that there would be a quid pro quo isn t necessarily in the conversation, but in the sequencing. so this is not a good thing for a democracy, for the leader of the free world to be talking like that, and i don t even know if there are any scruples involved. that s why i say they think lawlessness is a virtue and now want to exploit it to another country. if i may, sounds as if you believe this is a very, very serious offense? now, let s just put it this way. i accepted this invitation a while back. i have i am just noting as an observer of this conversation the and i i come every year. right? more or less. when invited, i come, because since i was in high school i read the atlantic monthly and they always taught us if you want to know how to write you have to read good writing. let s hear it for the atlantic. so you re incredibly some people say that. so so so, therefore, what would you be asking me if it weren t today? let s go back when we were happily observing the anniversary of our constitution, last tuesday morning. yes. but the issue is i live in the times based con tinham and we are here on a crucial day in all seriousness in american history and could lift up beyond the question of impeachment if you want by talking about lawlessness for a moment and we were talking about this a little bit backstage. do you think the president understands right from wrong? well, it s a very serious question. do you think he has the capacity to understand that he might remember, if the phone call happened as we think, using it as an example. it happened the day after mueller testified. there are object lessons in the whole mueller case for a president about talking to foreign powers, about intervention and elections. do you think that and you probably have a dozen or two dozen other examples where you re not sure if the president s moral compass is true north. i mean, do you think based on your now significant 2.5 year-plus exposure to him he understands right from wrong in the way that other 2 years and 9 months. it s let s see, 13.5 months until you know let me say that the president is responsible for his actions. whether he has any scruples or understands right from wrong, he has certainly made some decisions that have called that into question. here we are, again, as i said. our founders our founders wanted to protect our republic. they did not want a monarchy and again they established a constitution that would prevent that from happening. guardrails. they didn t expect that everyone would be exemplary so they had guardrails and nor when we were writing the bills on the director of national intelligence, the responsibility, shell, do we ever think that the director of national intelligence would break the law? would break the law? so so, yeah. i mean it is a question whether it s legal or not legal and in some cases right from wrong. i think we should start our healing process, because it s going to take a while. so let s be thinking in a positive way as we go forward. 13.5 months s now it s like 13 1/3 months, and because it s going to take some positive repair in addition to natural healing for us to get to a place, and it s absolutely, absolutely essential that the president be held accountable, no one is above the law, and separate from the issues, the concerns we re talking about here, that the policy we have a clear discussion about whose vision for america is the one we want to go down and that absolute essential he not be re-elected president of the united states. well [ applause ] you are you are focused on this 13.5 months, yeah, yeah. 13.5. every day. yes. you re focused on that. you re a very smart, political player, and very adept at strategy and tactics. the the question is, do you understand putting the issues of constitutionality aside and law-breaking aside, do you see peril in going down the path that now, two-thirds of your caucus wants to go down? i mean, is that what we re talking about? are we talking about a political calculation that impeachment will turn, the impeachment process will turn president trump into a martyr, activate his base even more? i mean i don t see politics has anything to do with this, although i read in some metropolitan journals it s all about politics. it has nothing to do with politics bipartisanship. this is about patriotism. sad is that the republicans haven t spoken up about any of this and i invite them to join us now that we have gotten to this different place. use any metaphor, crossing the rubicon. that the new territory, new day has dawned, anything want to say. this is a very serious in a class of its own discussion that we re having about the conduct of the president of the united states. so this isn t about politics. if we have to honor our oath of office to support and defend the constitution of the united states, from all enemies, foreign and domestic, that s what we re have to do. we have to have the facts. that s why i ve said, soon as we have the facts, we re ready. now we have the facts. we re ready. for later today. but but so this isn t about politics. people say, oh, you re trying to protect your members. no. i have absolute center because we re going to make sure it happens that we will maintain the majority in house of representatives. what s more serious, that he can t win. that is very serious to our country, to us as america. what is america? america is our constitution with our system of checks and balances, a republic, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the guardian of our democracy. the press. that s one that s america. america, a people unless you re blessed to be a native american which is a blessing to you and to all who know you, we are a nation of immigrants. don t take it from me. take it from ronald reagan. you ve seen ronald reagan s, this is the last speech i will make as president of the united states. the last speech. does that get your attention? ronald reagan, the last speech as president, and i want to communicate a message to a country i love in essence. look it up on google. it s beautiful. so beautiful. the vital force of america s pre-eminence in the world is every new generation that comes to america and when america fails to recognize that america will fail to be preeminent in the world. we cannot close the door to the vie ta vitality. it s better than that. and longer. our land from sea to shining sea, beautiful patrimony and beyond, god s gift to us, he degrades, he says i m not making any environmental decisions based on science. oh, really? oh, really? so dishonor the constitution. den grade wigrate the people as nation, and devalue us who we are as america, the idea of america? this is this is another, shall we say, arena for us to have our discussion on the behavior of this president of the united states. but i really didn t come here to talk about him. did you? you did, i guess. let s talk about let me tell you about my caucus. in light of, in light of the questions. they have been so fabulous, so thoughtful. so patriotic. i couldn t be prouder of them. and our chairmen have been significant. you term in metropolitan journals that jerry nadler and you are not seeing eye to eye on these questions and you re not seeing eye to eye with a large number of people on that. so my broader question about the caucus that s not true. my broader question about the caucus. it may be true that s what they re saying but it s not true definitely what they re saying. yes. you have to make that distinction. thank you. you re welcome. the the question about the caucus is, i m wondering, since you re focused on 13.5 months out, if you re worried that the 13 1/3 out. we ve been up here that long, do you think? is it really? the the question is, are you worried? this puts you you re in an unlikely spot. a san francisco democrat. and escorted for being an avatar on lib ralphism and have incidents in the last year people in your caucus, nome the so-called squad have questioned your liberal or left-leaning bo bone fidas so i want to ask you and make believe we re not talking about impeachment. other issues, decriminalization of border crossing, medicare for all. are you worried going forward to the election the party is being pulled too far to the left to reach people like in places like wisconsin? listening to an incredible interview between jeffrey goldberg and speaker of the house nancy pelosi. being as generous as she can be thus far on the questions, is this an impeachable offense? she s been cautious, reluctant to go there, talk impeachment. she s gone further than before saying she ll talk to her caucus, making a statement later as calls, this chorus, now continues to grow into an impeachment inquiry. they alluded to a trump tweet that just happened sitting up there on the stage. go to kaitlan collins, white house correspondent. the news from the president and what he s authorizing, kaitlan. so what did he tweet? reporter: yeah. brooke, a call from the president that was perfect, beautiful and appropriate, but tomorrow we get to judge for ourselves. trump is authorizing release, unredacted version of the transcript of his call with the ukrainian president that july 25th phone call that has really stirred up so much scrutiny s in recent days. the president says we ll get it tomorrow and says we ll see it s very friendly and a totally appropriate call says there was no pressure and unlike joe biden and his son, no quid pro quo. now, this also is going to come out in the day that the president is scheduled to meet with the ukrainian president here at the united nations the summit tomorrow. the question coming out of that will be whether or not seeing that transcript is enough for these democrats especially the ones who changed their calls in recent days from not pushing for impeachment to what you ve seen from them saying they re going to need to see this complaint from this whistle-blower as they are going forward and whether or not it s going to be enough is a whole other question. from what nancy pelosi said there, not being an explicit agreement between president trump and the ukrainian president about that aid and investigation into joe biden won t be enough. she said that, it will be enough to calm those calls for impeachment. she said essentially asking a foreign government to help if that s what they see in the transcript tomorrow will be bad enough in her mind and there are going to be questions going forward what it is her caucus will do. this comes after there was pushback internally whether or not they should release this transcript with people like secretary of state mike pompeo arguing it was going to set an ugly precedent in they do. then the next thing congress will demand are transcripts of the president s calls with other world leaders, and potentially including the russian president vladimir putin. whether or not that happens, something we ll watch, but we are going to be able to read the transcript of the last known call between president trump and the ukrainian president starting tomorrow. he says that. kaitlan, thank you very much on the president s tweet saying he ll put the transcript out there. michael smerconish. your reaction to that. a., do you trust that it will be an undoctored cryp eed transcri b. what if the transcript is benign? no discussion of money or any quid pro quo? will that matter? i don t have any question to your first point, no question we re going to see a full and honest reportage, because if we didn t, others were presumably listening in who would throw a flag on this. i fully expect that later today, 5:00 p.m. eastern, speaker pelosi was going to announce that the special committee an impeachment special committee to start the ball rolling. my hunch is if she were going to, now that s going to be delayed. now they want to wait and see exactly what s in that transcript, or they will appear as if they were rushing this process much like, frankly, i think they looked in the lou counce lewandowski hearing earlier. maybe the president to an extent set a trap and didn t is be9:00 and remi benign. the complaint says the july 25th phone call is one piece of the puzzle. a critical piece. but no quid pro quo demanded in that transcript i imagine tomorrow the president will be saying, i told you so, again. okay. quickly, pivot to the legal piece of this, because if there is no if it is benign. if you don t through this transcript see that the president says said i m withholding x many millions of dollars if you don t do x, y, z for me, legally speaking is that still election interference? yes. that s not all there was. we know rudy giuliani was involved, went over there. other conversations and other things goinging on. that is one piece of the puzzle. we really need to see the whistle-blower complaint. that was deemed credible and urgent and had more information than that one call. speaking of the whistle-blower, dana bash, adam schiff tweeted news. what is he saying? he is saying, this is the chairman of the house intelligence committee, they have been informed by a whistle-blower s counsel, the whistle-blower s counsel, see it on the screen, their client would like to speak to our committee and requested guidance from the acting dni as to how to do so. we are in touch with the counsel and look forward to the whistle-blower s testimony as soon as this week. this is a big, big development. because the, one of the questions for people who have done this before, even in and especially who have sat on the intelligence committee is, well what would happen if the whistle-blower went directly to congress? historically the rule is if you go to the inspector general, and the inspector general sees this as a credible complaint you have to wait. because of, this is not normal and this is not following protocol and frankly some of the law is in a little bit of a gray area, this is a big development. that the whistle-blower now wants to just go directly to congress and it will put the squeeze even more on the acting dni to allow that to happen. to allow the whistle-blower to be heard by congress, by the intelligence committee as, for most of the statute, it makes clear should happen. so it s going to put more pressure on that, but also on the dni when and if he does continue with his expected trip to congress on thursday to comply with this. very interesting. these are two big developments that come as we re listening to nancy pelosi all but say, talking about an announcement, you know. she was trying to be coy, but she you know kind of let the cat out of the bag. we don t know exactly how far she s going to go, but she made pretty clear this is a very big day and she s going to say something very big after her meeting with the caucus this afternoon. i want to come back to all things nancy pelosi in a second. michael smerconish, back to you on the news from chairman schiff and how the whistle-blower according to his counsel wants to come forward and speak with congress. you re also a lawyer. your reaction to that? i m the least surprised. i said on new day this morning we are not getting beyond the story until three things happen. transcript of july 25 phone call. copy of the complaint. that s still in doubt. and we will meet the whistle-blower. i m not surprised at all. we re going to need all of this. why throw up the hurdles if you re on the white house side of this? because sooner or later we re going to get the information. there s something else going on. you look at the times or the post today, ten people share the byline on the new york times lead story. washington post, seven reporters. cnn has its own team assigned to this. there are reporters working feverishly on this and overturning lots of stones. so it s all going to come out is my point, brooke. yes. yes. michael, thank you. stand by. bring in another smart voice into this thing. gloria borger. listening to speaker pelosi and dana was right. basically said all of the things she can say other than it s go time. what i noted in listening to her is she kept saying, this offense is most understandable for the public. most understandable for the public. why is that significant? it s important to nancy pelosi in particular, because she s always said that if you re going to begin an impeachment inquiry or impeach the president you have to have public opinion on your side. in saying this is understandable and digestible by the public, it means that the story line is not as complicated as the mueller report was. russian interference in the election was. this was the president on a phone call with a foreign leader saying, i think you need to look into joe biden and his son, and holding up, holding up, foreign aid to that country. so i think that s, you know, that the american public it s very digestible here, and i think what nancy pelosi is saying is, number one, the public can understand it. number two, i think, brooke, you heard this, she made the point, you don t need a quit pro kuo. i was going to ask about that. any of that, if a benign conversation, does that slow her wheel so ever? no. what is benign? if the president mentioned it, that is wildly inappropriate. yeah. he has effectively bartering without in so many words. i mean, the president is not dumb. he would, i think he would not say, well, i ll give you this if you give me that. you don t have to spell it out when talking to another leader. you re the president of the united states. you re telling somebody. you know? i think, we re worried about corruption in your country and i think you ought to investigate biden. you don t have to spell it out beyond that, is what the speaker is saying, and the third thing to me from adam schiff today is that reading between the lines, i might be wrong. might be able to read the lines, someone better than i it. i think adam schiff is sayingeer dealey directly with the whistle-blower counsel even though he s gone to the acting dni. schiff did not say they in congress were consulting the acting dni. perhaps try to cut their own deal with the whistle-blower and cut out the act be dni since they believe the complaint shot have gone to them directly in the first place. go to dan fin a second. stand by for me and we know in the thick of all this the former vice president himself is about to speak publicly. cameras rolling. reacting to all of this as he s been thrust in the center of this. he and his son hunter. what will he say? i m told by advisers to the form are vice president he s not going to dwell on the hunter/biden matter. they believe the white house and president is trying to muddy the waters here. told he ll focus specifically in a ten-minute speech or so on the president and on his actions. not simply ukraine but others as well. and he is, we re told for the first time, going to say if the would us does not kraucooperate believes congress should begin impeachment proceedings. he s not leading the way by any means. getting in a bit just under the wire here before house democrats almost certainly dot same thing. it s significant because this is where this is moving. i think one other thing that speaker pelosi said in other conversation with jeffrey goldberg also very interesting. she said this, now that we have the facts we re ready. dana said she all but. all but went tlnktshere, i t to her last night on a plane to washington randomly. she was much different than every other time we ve talked about impeachment. she did not think the american people were ready for this and believes this is a different moment. of course, the question, are they? president trump has been very skilled and very, you know, able to convince republicans to not join any of this. so this is uncharted waters here. our democrats, are they walking into a trap? we don t know the answer to the question but things have certainly been escalating here. by the minute. thank you very much. standing by to listen to the former vice president and his news. meantime, go to matthew chance. matthew has more news out of ukraine on the president s calls to reopen investigations. what s happening? reporter: well, i mean, look. the situation in ukraine is one of utter paralysis. we ve been texting, trying to call members of the ukrainian government to get reaction to this, their concerns about this. they re not answering our texts, not taking our calls. seem to be utterly paralyzed at the prospect of being, the reality that, being dragged into this partisan battle in the united states. exactly what the ukrainians do not want. the u.s. is the most important strategic ally the country has and need to have a great relationship not just with the current american president but with future american presidents as well and why they re trying to keep their mouths as tightly closed as possible as far as they re concerned. and they are, though, speaking to some ukrainian officials, some are speaking to ug particularly the former ukrainian foreign minister. spoke how damaging this is, how it weakens ukraine the position particularly in its confrontation with russia next door. fighting a battle, of course. and on diplomatic campaign trying to get back control of crimea, annexed by russia in 2014. this scandal according to the former foreign minister completely undermines that. the only people winning out of this are people like vladimir putin and credit, in his words, cracking open bottles of champaign in the kremlin tonight as they watch this candle unfold. wow. matthew chance. thank you very much in ukraine. christiane amanpour with me now. i watched you earlier saying you were to have an interview with a u trainian official. they have gone silent because they don t want to pour more fuel on the fire. i don t usually telegraph when a world leader canceled an interview but this is a strategics interview and the foreign minister i would interview tonight and instead is not talking. they don t want to get anymore verbally involved in a public manner in was clearly a huge now brewing domestic political crisis. and i spoke to quite a few top leaders. french ambassador to the u.s. and u.n. asked about president trump s rationale why he withheld american aid. as you remember, this afternoon. this morning at the u.n. said, well, we didn t want to pay our whack until the europeans paid theirs. the truth, europeans have been paying a huge whack the last many years up to the tune of $150 billion, nearly $16 billion in military and other aid to ukraine. that reasoning, many analysts don t believe to be the case. in terms of the domestic situation i spoke to former congresswoman jane harmon. like nancy pelosi reluctant up to now to go the impeachment route. sh she says it s a poisonous trail unless you have a bipartisan consensus, it becomes yet another massively divisive situation in the country that could end up helping trump. exactly. becoming a martyr firing up his base. i also wanted to ask you about, now that we know vis-a-vis tweets the white house will release this phone call with the president of ukraine, what kind of precedent would this set by releasing this conversation with a foreign leader? i am not sure about the precedent because i haven t really, you know, looked into that, but if he does release the entire thing unredacted, to be frank, that will be the evidence. either something will be there or there won t be something there. it s interesting to know what speaker pelosi will do before or after seeing that unredacted as we re told from the white house. unredacted transcript. i think everybody will be waiting to look at that. you heard chairman of the intelligence committee adam schiff saying the whistle-blower wants to talk to congress. there s a lot of openness that is being demanded right now. form are vice president al gore told me this goes to the heart of america s rule of law and its constitutionality, and if there is a problem then it needs to be dealt with. what he told me yesterday. okay. christiane aumen boaramanpour, for weighing in. stand by. in moments former vice president jb will speak out on this news. don t move. you re watching cnn special live coverage. i m brooke baldwin.
the foundation of this country to have these values to do is to return to her use it to live by and to the principles of unity justice and freedom and i want to read to you my. original. series starts october 21st on d w. this is a show coming up. in a familiar land the duke and duchess of cambridge. on their 1st official trip to the country how important it is and kate s visit. plus. a kid s film at the center of a territorial dispute. as the old from t.v. theaters. welcome to do. it s good to have you with us and it s been called their most complex to up to date and with good reason prince william and his wife kate are on their 1st official visit to pakistan a country dealing with ever present security issues the duke and duchess of cambridge will also look at pakistan s efforts at fighting climate change and to highlight the country as a quote dynamic aspirational and forward looking mission those words from britain s high commissioner to pakistan thomas drew the couple have visited a school a national park and had a private lunch with prime minister imran khan but it was that arrival in a column for took 2 also called an auto rickshaw in the subcontinent that had heads the couple were attending an evening reception at the pakistan monument in the capital islamabad. i m sure they ve done it for be sure has been following their visit why is this visit so important for pakistan you know it s been a while. a british royalty visit took place in pakistan the last time somebody visited was about 13 years ago and this couple is young it s glamorous it s charismatic. and the visit could not have come at a better time for pakistan when the government faces challenges on the foreign policy front khana means thinking the prime minister is becoming unpopular but this visit helps showcase the positive side of pakistan it s breathtaking beauty the diversity of its culture and that it has its people essentially hardworking and decent people so it s a win win for both britain and pakistan but aside from that the royal couple themselves appear to be very popular in pakistan why is that well a lot of people relate to this couple because of their longing for princess diana she visited pakistan couple of times in the ninety s the last time she was there was in 1907 and this reference came up quite a few times during this visit when the duke was meeting children in school they said you know we really loved your mother she was an amazing woman and he also said you know i was also fond of so people have those memories and i think in pakistan s collective memory. there s a that link with princess diana of prince william and kate middleton so a lot of people see it in that light and it s part and parcel of the collective memory of pop star and how they relate to the royal family shows their journey from a thanks very much for that. but there appears to be another side to this visit and that is a criticism on social media reporter michelle has been looking at some of the criticism and joins me now in the studio with more michelle welcome what have you found indeed there has been criticism of this is that there are some pakistanis who look at this as window dressing who look at it as a way to distract the so-called masses from some very real problems pakistan faces economically socially and environmentally there s a tweet that we can bring up here that reflects some of that sentiment so even in the u.k. people have woken up to the fact that for decades the british media has used the spectacle of the royal family to distract from the failures of the government maybe that s why they decided to bring their show to a more global audience and then there s another tweet pointing fingers at the legacy of british colonialism in the region it says if it weren t for these royals we won t have a dumb and fascist army ruling over us the mess they left behind to ensure there is no peace ever in the subcontinent and that tweet and hashtag will visit pakistan some very strong language that makes for interesting discussions but overwhelmingly the response has been positive present not been to this visit a lot of it has to do but then should be with the updates and in particular fashion choices oh yes there is no way around it brash when you look at this visit you have to look at the fashion and pulling that focus has been kate and she has managed to stay true to her own style and yet salute local designers and we re going to bring up a tweet here that basically is a love letter to her and her out that so far here she s wearing a ray of shower commute that is the long dress and trouser combo that is ubiquitous for women across pakistan she s wearing blue that s a nod to diana the people s princess beloved in pakistan and then please note this green shade. it is very it s a nod to the pakistani flag so she has managed to stay true to herself and yet she looks like a very elegant pakistani woman going on about about her business. and then we have to talk about this moment that we see back here and i do not know if you can top this in terms of winning the hearts of the pakistani people this is the perfect combination of pakistani high fashion and focal church and this is a tweet we re going to bring up put out by coming to palace and this shows the prince stepping up his game he is wearing a traditional share one you suit he says courting the duchess in a tough talk painted in the traditional pakistani truck art style it s almost reminiscent of their wedding day when they were riding around in that hot red car you know it s kind of like the pakistani iteration of that just just fantastic i mean why would you want to hobnob with them and i know if i was in pakistan invited to a party and i had a real budget i would want to wear something like this i would certainly love to wear some of that going to show a lot of the. are amazing and i talked more like a truck about going to bad things very much for covering even written about a very welcome. but children s film about a chinese girl who hoped to genting. political controversy abominable has been pulled from screens vs a little more of that in a bit but here is a quick peek of the film is being marketed as everest the little yeti. sure you get home to your family members who not get yourself. but kids in vietnam won t be able to save for you anymore the government has the film over them up but short of chinese claims in the south china sea that at odds with. and there s plenty of people supporting the nightstands. so it s an insult to vietnam is a very sensitive matter to be shown in vicinity. i m not going to watch it even if it were still shown in the cinema the $9.00 map is straight up wrong and i m absolutely not going to support it. with. the 9 dash man look closely behind that big x. in the still shot from the movie and you ll see it the dash very political line. it s a sensitive topic globally but especially between china which claims all of the south china sea above the dashes and its asian neighbors like vietnam. china s neighbors have the backing of the united states which sometimes patrols the skies over and sails its aircraft through these disputed waters. dad always wanted me to travel the world taking us back to the map moment in the children s movie which was co-produced by china based pearl studio and hollywood s dream works. i m quite upset it rouses the patriot in me that clearly belongs to vietnam s maritime sovereignty. but nobody employed me at 1st i was planning to go to see this film but after i learned about the dotted line that marks china s claims i decided i should not watch it. and a week after it opened a vietnamese movie goers can not watch the movie called everest the little yeti in some parts of the world and abominable in others movie posters and the movie itself had been removed a geo political boundary dispute takes precedence over a kid s film that for a moment takes sides. staying in vietnam where the art of making 600 by hand from 6. could be lost forever people have been making a living from sin for generations but as it gets more and more difficult to make ends meet their view of life is under threat. it s a painstaking process women in this village have been teasing silk threads by hand for over a century. boiled to kill the larvae inside hot work in the summer months each worker processes about 30 kilos of cookies per day. the finished thread hung in the sun to dry meaning bad weather can spell disaster. you re with family in the production from silkworms kerns depends 90 percent on the weather we need to have sunshine if the quality of current is good and the weather is rainy then our products will be ruined but. that s not the only factor making life difficult for the. after the thread to spawn and try to take into market and eventually export it to allow into thailand profit margins are thin. no to math people with this job varies every year it s very precarious if the 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the spread of this deadly disease. yet you re watching did news from berlin up next stop film takes a look at violent crime in chicago more news coming up at the top of the hour as well with terry not the for now i m anthony held thanks for watching. it s all happening much of it coming. your link to news from africa the world your link to exceptional stories and discussions continuing with comes the debut suffocating program tonight from funny jimmy from the use of easy now i would say demi to close match africa join us on facebook and t.w. africa. where britain full of these a parent s worst nightmare that they live all over the girls of them to sticks oakland chicago it happens every day not. all but sometime soon to float like the river in mont of the deadliest cities in the u.s. most victims are children and. can follow here what the fitting to the other. this man builds crosses for loss to the epidemic of gang violence here it s almost can do to just stay alive for you know 5 courses here we have to do things not to make it so 7 people we ve lost a bike to a city of chicago. clifton boonie mike founder is a loving grandfather back in the day he used to be a leading gang member he spent 27 years in jail for crimes ranging from assault to 1st degree murder after half a life behind bars others had filled his place and taken over the block once part of the problem moonie now spends his days as a gang intervention coordinator his porch is practically his office without him it would be too dangerous for us to film there. is no thora t. here his word carries weight it takes a courageous person. to stuff they speak to the kids they see a group of kids in the street don t you know going through all misspeak at 2 or they ll walk around. and that makes us a difference in me and the average person because i go to class but try to make an honest living here it often takes holding down several underpaid jobs of once this man has been cleaning cars for 30 years 10 dollars each. but if you re looking for fast cash you sell drugs for the street gangs. that s the hard job for me to go visit them to stop selling drugs and to go get a legitimate job so today i can tell them that it s a lot. harder i did try to get them to see the low carb it s not that it s to 50 just guessed it it s not going to be the. short life in the fast lane for most here that s all they better know. most of their fathers are absent in jail showing their childhood their moms barely able to make ends meet. growing up here often means falling for the wrong heroes. it takes says several days on the streets before we meet gang members willing to talk to us. if you want to be a part of it is like you seen what we re going to be hostile and we want to know is that is your choice going to be a part of so you see the reason that we take every risk that we take it is to wait . but did you get the choice if you mess around out if. you think you have the right i m choosing to take the risk because of i like to fix my. car drives out they negotiate a price and hand over the drugs that s how it is here hustling instead of homework . what might look like just a couple of friends hanging out can quickly take a turn for the worse almost everyone here is armed jonathan started selling drugs at the age of 13 his to tuesday tell the stories of friends he lost mike allen g. who was killed in front of his school when he was just 16 like real good times the chicago they paid. just doesn t. get hurt i love my brother i m a big brother no go get back to me he is but there s been a lot of there s been a lot of reviews going no one no the best the best revis i ve ever put to it was. me that the whole world go blank. at 57 boonie again watches over his streets but this time it s different he s knowing joe but life has made him wiser he still does manage to get through to everyone some couldn t even imagine life without gang bang bang in a cool is the life that we chose at the end of day because we had no choice you know choice in a matter of feeling love no matter who it is a what a film about he had a choice in his life we go. pushed to the point where we had no choice so we had to get out who do we here. and for many that means hanging around all day. young people here have lost their faith in life having anything better to offer than the streets. in the gangs they try to be the family they never had for each other. was this that would be like in his hometown this is love to just see al your house for this music i m not going to let the it s not but so what we gain by winning it we really have family over why we all kill for each other over the why we don t do we not we ll do for monday i believe is the day soon as the day game a we will we do is we there nothing to do i never know or you see oh yeah ok. he s the one who builds the crossroads for chicago s lost children greg zane asher is a retired carpenter for each life taken he sets up another cross together they form a growing memorial on the west side. greg himself suffered the tragic loss of 2 family members he knows what it s like to have a loved one stone and from here. with the times when you were there making the crosses is also a way for greg to be able to work through his own trauma. my nickname tried baby. heard it s hard in my shop i cry a lot marsha. oh. i ve i feel like i m bad to these people because i ve had that loss. and. it all seems like nobody wants to talk about it to them i do. nobody wants to have a loss go unnoticed that mother that loved their game or like just say connor or. she loved him to a certain point something went wrong. but. once he s finished making a cross greg leaves it behind for the family of the deceased to take with them like tyrone blake sr. even as a police officer he was unable to stop his own son from being drawn into the maelstrom of gang life and getting killed. they have no more or they have no you know. it s just hard to talk about is this. no regard for human life your. snow stretch out. they have no leadership so. it s just. not very nice to be. tyrone blake. junior did not live to see his 26th birthday. cause. i. was i. call a points office fully rigged with 110 i am radio scanners and monitors this is where he tracks police dispatches night by night. listening in on police radio is not only legal in the us for the point it s a crucial part of his watch he s a freelance photojournalist who specialized in police operations the material he gathers he sells to local television stations for their crime related news. he has a range of contacts across the city he can send out collect footage and he also hits the road himself every night. here in chicago just like you can be anywhere where people are shooting at each other you know i work. for added protection. some nights seems a little more dangerous than others sometimes they don t wear it but it certainly helps make me feel a little bit safer when we re out there and the violence has ticked up in chicago itself. classic downtown chicago with its imposing skyline of his world removed from the chicago lapointe works and he covers stories from the tougher side of town one that is rarely court on camera he s been on the job for 20 years now and seldom sleeps more than 5 hours a day if that. plus a. good cup of coffee sounds good. local t.v. stations pay between $150.00 and $300.00 for the footage he delivers although there are plenty of cases to cover poorly as he s known by police and gang members alike has to work hard for his money he s the city s number one police reporter and after all these years he s still passionate about his job. here. is that. if you have fear you can t you can t properly cover the city of chicago i don t know if you have fear it s like if you were a war correspondent if you were assigned to afghanistan or iraq. this is the similar assignment at the end of the day every day someone is being shot in my life . so it isn t that much different than being a combat journalist that many times tonight is a quiet night and we already have several people shot a quiet night in most cities around the world there s nobody shot but in chicago a quiet night is a couple of people shot. in his car lapointe has 7 scanners tuned in to all the different emergency services radio systems covering emergency services. 47 he s divorced with 2 grown up children of his own his son also works for him and like him is on the road night after night. hallie s 1st stop of the evening a woman on a man was shot and injured his movements are routine he wastes no time setting up his camera. the police have already roped off the area but even though they ve known paulie for ages they make sure to keep him out a distance. make sure i look good one officer calls out to him. once the police have wrapped up paulie packs away his camera and continues on his journey the next crime scene is already waiting. for you as it gets warmer. bullets fly more violence as more the aggravation level creased as you increase the temperatures people just get crazier and crazier. when the hottest summer days when you get the most shootings people are just. that the numbers in chicago have been really bad at that time that we ve had weekends where we had 50 people shot. doesn t kill that happens more frequently than people might think that it s unfortunate for pauli but night is far from over. a new day johnson chicago s west and south sides and reveals just how rundown these neighborhoods really are. people who grow up here a crammed into underfunded schools and have few opportunities for career development any welfare and education programs are quickly discontinued if they fail to deliver the expected results fast. crumbling buildings toxic landscape it s the exact opposite of the american dream. unemployment is rife the middle class moved out years ago poverty here is self-perpetuating. st welcome to news one of the few people local youngsters respect he s disappointed with the me get funding being provided to tackle the overwhelming problem. facing the community. it s worse it is serious. and afghanistan every day it s shootings and killings in this community and it s not a house at force anymore it s in sad and because it s weapon to a source says a ball now in my community you can go get a god quicker than you can bat at bi-lo juice. chicago proud to be home to barack obama the country s 1st african-american president and. tourists flock to its magnificent glittering downtown area most children from the west side have never even had a glimpse of this picture perfect part of the city the gulf between black and white rich and poor is deeper here than in most other places in america one more reason why chicago is plagued by so much violence. back on the west side boonie doesn t take his eyes off his granddaughter he couldn t see his own kids grow up he was in jail. on. the street corner where boonie by streets for a little rain is known as the most dangerous in the area. and when temperatures rise so does the violence and with it the death toll on just 2 days in july and 2800 over 100 people was shot 15 fatally many victims were innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with the gangs i m up i bought my mother got her i got bob bob bob not. an old acquaintance from the neighborhood here every. one i do you care to see you re the gotta go buy one he seems intimidating at 1st but soon it s clear he has mental health problems and needs help i wasn t rude i was a good show so good too good i have a very old how do you. going to shoot up luckily it s just a colorful water pistol. no no. here man. otherwise the guns people carry here a real loaded and lethal. but this is this is an issue with our good military man. he did drugs don t last as much so he met leo and he out in the street just that at all that normally a person he approached like that when he got physical the them up or how to daily violence is the sad norm here 3 blocks down there s been a real shooting only the shell casings remain strewn across the street as silent witnesses the victims 3 teenagers the shots were fired from a moving car in the afternoon just as school ended and the students were going home i m upstairs in my house and i heard the kinds of somalia my kids were trapped on the floor it was a very scary says he s always he s always there for a. saturday night. live saturday kid s got to stay in the house they can come outside and play is a very bad situation. christian and they would have no money now and would like to go somewhere where i have no money now. that some residents are paralyzed by fear for their children s lives others have become numb to it whoever lives here has learned to survive. you stay aware but you don t feel scared or you would never come out the house. but just around. this that this weekend this watch is so wow moves i mean my model is always there are positive people say from negative people who have nothing going on in my life have nothing to live for. just keep it moving i really don t try to associate with a lot of people ask streets where. the target of the of the stick is so this would be it s. just going well but this is the work of a good house that s what it. small memorials for the dead a constant reminder of the ever present danger in chicago there s a shooting every 4 hours every 19 hours a fatal while there are more guns and fewer police officers here than in most other u.s. cities and the police have a long standing reputation for racism it s an explosive mix of factors here in the rap of it i had a guy. i can see just a bit that a quick prayer before setting to work the police have asked boone and other social workers for their help the police still have boonie registered as a gang member and often treat him unfairly he says but here they work hand in hand the violence is too severe for anyone sign to solve on a time. have. you got her right here is exam. i think you want to get together make up about the great work you go all right then go through the people living in a trust the social workers more than they do the least. that we could go to be our brothers got shot one not the survivor 30 year old in a $68.00 you. know that we are here for them to. convince other younger people to put their. when young kids and teenagers die in the neighborhood people are more open to the message to me and his colleagues friends. they work for a youth development organization called bill which has been working to help at risk youngsters in chicago since 969. is part of a small team of experienced thanks gang members street veterans he and his colleague carlos were both gang leaders in the past. like. in those days they could never have imagined working together with each other on the other side. not how did it not on a mentality that if you re going to make there are no big different you and i was a different mentality you know. when we would know we when it came together in our lives that actually we would been a part of the problem you know when i was there with the kids this news already station you know has a lot to do with it and they know there were solid individual family are down there and i look up to us and we try to change their lives and give them jobs something yeah. i got. them i am from well i mean you know we re going to leave right but at the end of the day if a team meeting at the offices of bill mooney and his colleagues. change ideas on how to get through to those they worry about most days right. and carlos know all too well just how hard it can be to find a job after leaving jail that. let him go so i filled as workers from all walks of life from college graduates turn social workers to people whose university was the street. moonee has his very own method he approaches everyone in the community including its youngest residents and talks to them. so well with mike it. was out so he didn t see it right. he did. it s important that the kids trust him so that they can talk to him with everyone here knows bernie and he knows this is the only way to reach some of them especially those who aren t ready yet for the other activities and programs build office. the organization also offers discussion groups for juveniles with criminal records they re not his strictly voluntarily attendance as one of their parole conditions carlos leads the group today they re talking about their mothers. is not easy was 1st thing. is how so appreciate your mother my you know some feign disinterest others shift on comfortably in their chairs talking about their emotions is something they ve never really learnt to do we can we can help you guide you but you guys got to get worse inside you know what is it that you need so that most carlos the former gang leader who spent 25 years in jail talks openly about his emotions and his mother she never failed to visit me she never feel the same commissary money she never failed sent me pictures you know a family event you know filled to you know collect. she was always there. my home. 6 months into my bit yeah they looked out after. it was gone my girlfriends it was go. and that s the reality and that s why we do this you know to give respect to our moms you know to show that we love and care for you could have disagreements you can be strong but going to the guys know my. people you saw his openness against the boys thinking so you know find a way for me i see you know you know i see always put. first. this is my protector. they say because my mom was both my mother for. she told me even though she had it s so sad a reason for me for both of us is to see always. make sure you sort if you do go on for a while i mean now she just got out of prison that s more oh i ve seen her for 234 years and every time our delusions every time i did she was all drugged up and i was like she was in the right my. story is that they are reluctant to recall that many are reluctant to hear carlos does listen offers the boy s options but he s well aware that ultimately they will have to fend for themselves back on the street . for. the only protection greg zaniest needs is a helmet he saw as an hammers away so that others won t forget chicago s loss kids . it s a labor of love that requires him to work every single day. and we ve got the worst kind of cancer or any country could ever have gotten gun violence it s just that. it escalating nobody said. there is no cure for cancer well there is no cure here i am going to be going with that. like i can t keep up with it. it s about a nation that s walked away from. it s about and i m showing. of coming soon i m going there not just with a cross and a heart and i got to get a hug that s my paycheck. 22 years ago greg found his father in law shot dead in front of his home since that day he s not only been a carpenter but also a chronicler of those chicago has lost your researches their stories keeps lists and tries to push his own pain away just 2 months ago one of his daughters died suddenly of an overdose. it s difficult for him to talk about it. i guess a root think that may daughter not me i must have a lot more work to do how right you are old i think this country will quickly go into hell. in the 10 years the last 10 years of and especially the last 2 years. greg is inconsolable yet he tries to console others with his crosses. the boy with a gentle smile was tyree wives he lived to be 16. even young children can fall victim to chicago s violence there to protect them a crossing guards from the safe passage program. these women in bright yellow vests patrol the streets to try to keep kids safe not from cars but from bullets. they re armed with nothing but walkie talkie to call the police. violence on the way to school has dropped by one 3rd. since they started. still whoever grows ampera could always be at the wrong place at the wrong time and get killed. police departments like this one and district 7 in englewood are places that most residents associate with problems problems with the police. randall lacey wants to change that everyone here knows her as miss ray well you know just for the 3 years after her daughter was stunned to death she was left to raise her grandkids on her own 2 years ago one of them was also killed. miss ray wanted to do her part to combat violence on the streets sun she founded the chess club. i built my 1st mission and the one selling kids meet at the police station to play chess against members of the community and police officers for years. didn t quite so allow the families every time you. think about this if this all could drag the day at wrigley brother with greg name all the way to the rest of. yourself you know the find the side of the police. and the same thing go for the police officer also what the answer is to sit down without you or do. you. hear children do out what you re not. plus whoever is playing chess is not out on the street says miss wright she also thinks the playing chance teaches the. kids to solve their problems with reason and not by pulling a gun and resorting to violence. well my dad told me it s over but it s way too new for life so like if there was like blackie we chose to go the other way to shoo away to go over to there s a good bed and head into it as you go that way or that. i think that. the officers aren t allowed to talk to journalists chicago s police have avoided any kind of coverage since the escalation in violence. in the rough and tough west side playing chess here is like an oasis of calm the kids say they feel safe even the youngest ones outside it s a different story and try. to make like military families have this was true he. should be here now like his wife she didn t need to be like that i decided that we like to have planted trees. nor did i feel. a lot of mothers in the neighborhood have lost children miss ray tells us they can all sympathize with one another they know how it feels. still she s determined not to let life get her down if only for the sake of the children. my daughter was killed i just love all of my friends that are in this is always good. to have to say. that there is so i could miss they focus on my walls i was too good. it s night time and boony is at home his eyes aren t really following the t.v. that they re glued to his farm he s always on call in case one of the kids wants to reach him sometimes in the middle of the night. 27 years of jail couldn t break his spirit he married his wife patricia after he was released this above the couch is a picture of his idols iraq and michelle obama martin luther king bob marley muhammad ali but african-americans are far from being at the reins they re still being systematically disadvantaged his work on the streets is also the fight for equal opportunities. the schools are afraid that you. the polies is scared of the you the parents are scared of the you and you for a scared nobody. and this is the most courageous generation of young black and brown people that this world will ever see is right here so it might take in their back and read directing their courage to a real fight a fight that s going to help us as a people. just think of the what could be accomplished. bernie trying to keep his own son orlando out of the gang life but he was in jail when he finally got out orlando was already in at the age of 17 sentenced to 55 years for mada if there s one thing bernie regrets and it s losing his son to the streets. he grew up in the community that i was part of the destruction my reputation so all he grew up all his life was. it means to portray. it thinking he was living up to my. so when he had a conflict instead of bizarre. he resolved it in a way. and that was the light and it calls him 55 years of his life. with a street is open for business 247 cars drive up a door opens drugs are exchanged and the car drives off again maybe dooney is trying to help these kids because his own son is so out of reach. orlando now a grown man is calling from prison boonie hasn t seen him you know for 25 years as a former convict he isn t allowed to visit his son in prison but he has plans for orlando once he gets sacked. well i want to get bad and you ve got the budget you got your projects you got the perfect storm just like me . but for now all he can do is watch from his front porch because the kids on the street make the same mistakes he did. mistakes that really come with the 2nd child . patrol cars emergency lines show the way for paul the point he s reached his 2nd crime scene of the night. a few hours ago 2 young men in their early twenty s were shot. out of a moving car on a street full of traffic. that could easily have been more victims says paul of. innocent people who just happened to be passing by. which. there is no time of day in chicago when it doesn t happen like i said you know really there s a shooting every 4 hours in chicago so you know it s rare i don t know that we ve gone to sea without it shooting for 2 years now i think it s been 2 years and not a day without a shooting or a 24 hour period without a shooting so you know again crime is down homicides and shootings have have brought down about 25 percent but we still have 75 percent that is still happening so it s going to take a little more work i think at this pizza i would say for. tonight is fairly quiet he says to 3 am fully has time to swing by his office here it s safe to take off his bulletproof vest. in his very own headquarters continues listening to the police radio and directing his staff here remain alert and ready to return to the streets until morning. hallie has lived with this inverted shadow for the past 20 years. and he still gets upset by the events he covers. the 14 or 13 year olds 12 year olds the reason why they re brought into a gang life because they can t get in trouble as an adult so they re recruiting young kids into these gangs so they can commit the shootings and then they get out of the you know like a youth camp when they re 18 years old so they re not there at the spend the rest of their life in jail for killing someone so you find yourself we had one time we had a child who is 12 years old 12 and the gang was looking for him to kill him because he shot someone else it was one of the biggest stories we had in the beginning of my career was horrible to think that 1st of all that they recruited in years this child in the way they did and then they killed them which is why foley says he won t quit not tonight not any time soon. the same goes for bernie he s attending yet another funeral but here too he finds time to speak to troubled youngsters timeless in his efforts to get them back on track. he finds them and they find him for boonie his job and private life inseparable. the funeral parlor and grounds at least a gun free here the community can gather and mold in peace. but today s funeral is not for someone rich far too soon from their beloved. the neighborhood has congregated today to say its final farewells to a man who lived to the ripe old age of 86 7. not many his survived that long this is a community that has become tragically accustomed to burying their loved ones at an early age. it s awful when it really is it takes a lot. to see the agony suffer and the pain. in young people and then the other thing is a lot of the young people that are dying are leaving children behind which makes the situation even worse so it s challenging it really is. a challenging situation that when circumstances like these seems insurmountable in theory the people born into these conditions have the same and equal rights as anyone else in the country but they certainly do not have the same opportunity and with next to no outside assistance or viable role models providing inspirational guidance the chances of breaking the vicious cycle of violence and poverty are sadly low. to some who need is the turning point in their lives. they view him as a teen and wants to be a nice to earn some extra money he works night shifts until 6 in the morning and then heads off to school. money used to come easier when he was a drug runner on the corner. and his mother couldn t support him and his siblings. he was just a teenager but he felt responsible to be the provider. was the one who got him out of the gang. i was there. i looked at his dad and not sell me at that age and at that age when i met him i was already in the streets and prison i had been in jail the joy of my life well spent in jail and i didn t want to have to go through what i went through actually like a father to me that i know in a because i never had a person well i always it all goes a relative tear me with don t do this i don t do that but they would never show me a diff. wait how do you do if they were not to do well how could i not do if you don t give me a different route to years of boony believing in him ok davey in the courage to turn his life around. tony doesn t give up on anyone easily he wants to be their emergency exit to get them off the wrong track and convince them there is a better life waiting for them. that s hard to believe when all you know are the few blocks around you and affluent downtown chicago remains a shimmering skyline on the horizon. i know how you think you. know that for me today rooney is hosting a family reunion on his front porch a short reprieve in the rough neighborhood. boonie is the patriarch of west lot is of a new low key persistent not a out they get right davey and made it to the other side bernie and patricia have practically taken him in will there ever be equal opportunities for the children surviving in the shadows of chicago downs his granddaughter will never get to see that day and yet he keeps on fighting every day for the kids here to come around he s always ready whenever they are. and you know that they will let you know when it was ok maybe 1 o clock in the morning you know come up with the bad boy could you take me in the morning the family or job could you take me in a more you put me in the program would you take me the morning families from school so a car is there no prescribed time of night or so you just got to be there when a car there might they be as long as god keep up with me and keep me healthy enough work to get up from point a to point b. i won t be up for. as long as mooney waits for them on his porch the door to. different life remains cracked open . for all of chicago s children who have lost their way. to god s. happy days will receive a mention defending them position at the top of the bundesliga win at home against i m tom franks. the mood is not so great a bias after an unconvincing win against underdogs known doesn t it is this more true champions look like. a. double. bottom to the but is the game here for doubly. triply to talk about since. this was a country of. 3 more. possible we have. let s have a look at so many of 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captio captioning sponsored by cbs o donnell: tonight, international outrage after nine american citizens, including six children, were killed after being ambushed in mexico. a mother and her four children found inside this burnt-out s.u.v., including eight-month- old twins. four of my grandchildren are burned. o donnell: children who escaped are fighting for their lives at this hour. also tonight, a top u.s. diplomat changes his story in the impeachment inquiry after he sees the testimony of others. caught on camera, a school resource officer is charged with child abuse after slamming a girl to the ground. and is girls soccer on par with football when it comes to head injuries? why soccer stars megan rapinoe and abby wambach have pledged their brains to science. a widow s love letter to her husband. how she helped to finish his final chapter. it s something we did together, the last thing we did together. o donnell: and it s election night across the country. we ll run down the key races that may foreshadow what could happen in 2020. this is the cbs evening news with norah o donnell. o donnell: good evening and thank you so much for joining us. we begin with a brazen attack on an american family leaving three women and six children dead. they were shot and their car burned. tonight a u.s. official tells cbs news one theory is the group was intentionally targeted by a drug cartel. the youngest killed were twins, just eight months old. eight other children survived, five with bullet wounds. they were part of an extended family, a religious community that long ago broke away from the mormon church. they have had run-ins with the local drug cartels before, but nothing like the vicious ambush that went down yesterday afternoon about an hour south of the arizona border. mark strassmann leads off our coverage tonight in mexico city. this is for the record. nita and four of my grandchildren are burnt and shot up. reporter: this video posted to facebook shows the aftermath of a massacre. the ambush is of three vehicles carrying american women and children. the extended family was attacked by gunman believed to belong to one of mexico s most brutal cartels. family members say the bodies of 30-year-old maria rhonita miller, her eight-month-old twins, 12-year-old son and ten- year-old daughter were found inside this burned-out s.u.v. it had broken down with a flat tire. gunmen riddled it with so many bullets the car exploded and caught on fire. the way that they were killed and burned and massacred, just, god, how? unspeakable. reporter: a family member says ten miles down the road the gunman opened fire on two other vehicles that were following miller s car. dawna langford, her two year old and 11-year-old children were killed. langford s aunt trish cloes. it s something that you can t explain how there are evil people in this world that can do something like that. reporter: during the gunfire, christina langford johnson hid her baby in the backseat. she left the vehicle with her hands up to plead with the gunman to stop shooting. witnesses say she was gunned down in cold blood. five other children were wounded. three more were uninjured. mexican authorities arrived at the scene and transported some of the wounded to area hospitals. all the victims were members of a breakaway group of mormon fundamentalists. they settled in the mountains of sonora, mexico, decades ago. on twitter president trump urged mexico s president to accept u.s. assistance to eradicate the drug cartel. he wrote, this is the time the wage war on the drug cartels and wife them off the face of the earth. today mexico s president andres manuel lopez obrador declined the u.s. offer. o donnell: mark joins us now. this area of mexico is considered so dangerous, but what are they going to do to try to stem what is this record level? reporter: as ruthless as thee cartels are, norah the mexican government s new approach is not to confront them, diplomacy, peaceful negotiation. in fact, the mexican president calls it hugs, not bullets. but norah, he has been in office for ten months, and the mexican murder rate is at an all-time high. o donnell: mark, thank you. this area of mexico is so dangerous, but it reached a new level today as mothers and they children were gunned down in broad daylight. tonight doctors and nurses in tucson, arizona, are treating the victims. some are too young to understand, but all have harrowing stories of survival. janet shamlian is there. reporter: frightened cries of a baby and young children as their dad tries to comfort them. these are the survivors of unimaginable horror. all were hit by gunfire, and tonight being treated in a tucson hospital. hi, little baby. it s your daddy. reporter: three moms and six children died in the ambush, including eight-month-old twins tiana and titus. after his mom and two brothers were shot to death, 13-year-old devin langford was able to hide six other siblings in nearby bushes, covering them with branches. he then walked 14 miles for help. his nine-year-old sister mckenzie, grazed in the arm, also went for help, walking four hours in the dark, finally finding rescuers. airlifts from mention doe arizona where eight-year-old cody, shot in the jaw and leg, 14-year-old kylie shot in the year-old xander, shot in the back, and brixton, just nine months old, shot in the chest. the tiniest miracle, seven- month-old faith langford. it s believed her mom cristina hid her baby s car seat just before she was gunned down. faith was found 11 hours aftere the massacre. her relatives. it was an attack on innocent families. reporter: there is nothing but shock and heartbreak. i think a lot of us are just speechless. it s horrific. it just seems like a bad dream. reporter: cbs news has learned that relatives have gathered in tucson tonight as the children are treated for gunshot wounds and the families plan nine funerals. all of the survivors were children, all of them are now without mothers. norah? o donnell: janet, thank you. house democrats want to hear from acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. he s the highest-ranking white house official investigators have called on. today they sent a letter seeking his testimony in the impeachment inquiry, but nobody is counting on him to appear. meanwhile, we learned today what a key witness how a key witness changed his testimony. gordon sondland, a top u.s. diplomat, now says he believes the trump administration demanded a quid pro quo from ukraine. nancy cordes is at the capital, and nancy, did we learn why sondland changed his story? reporter: well, in a way, norah, sondland had the change his original testimony because so many of the other witnesses had disputed it. so in this new three-page addendum, she says that reading those other witness statements, refreshed his recollection about his role in the president s quid pro quo. it s never too late to do the right thing. reporter: that was the democrat s reaction to an about- face from ambassador gordon sondland, who says he does now recall telling a ukrainian official in early september that resumption of u.s. aid would likely not occur until ukraine provided a public anti- corruption statement, specifically announcing an investigation into burisma, the energy company that employed the son of mr. trump s campaign rival joe biden. there was no quid pro quo. reporter: sondland s admission is a blow to the president, who withheld $400 million in aid this summer. maryland democrat jamie raskin. all of the witnesses agree that the president engineered a shakedown of the ukrainian government. one of my most favorite hobbies is flying. reporter: sondland is a republican hotel magnate who was named ambassador to the european union after donating $1 million to president trump s inaugural committee. sondland told lawmakers that the campaign to pressure ukraine, led by the president s personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, kept getting more insidious over the summer. at some point i made the biden- burisma connection, he says. one member asked sondland, did he believe the effort to go after mr. biden s son was ever a proper inquiry? sondland s response, it would not be proper. the white house said again today that the president has done nothing wrong. while the senate s republican leader said as little as possible about the house-led probe. it looks to me like they re hell-bent to do it, and we will end up in an impeachment trial at some point. o donnell: so nancy, these transcripts show that several of the witnesses thought giuliani s involvement in ukraine policy was wrong. did they do anything to stop it? reporter: several of them, norah, say they didn t think they could do anything to stop it. case in point, kurt volker, another diplomat whose testimony was released today. he says that when lawmakers asked him whether even a call from the secretary of state could have dissuaded giuliani, he told them that he didn t think so. in fact, he said the only person perhaps who could have turned giuliani around was the president himself. o donnell: all right, nancy. thank you. it s election night, and it could be a preview of what s to come in 2020. we re watching races for governor tonight in kentucky and mississippi. in virginia, control of the house and senate are up for grabs. ed o keefe is there. reporter: voters in virginia today had the option to do something they haven t done in a generation, give total control of state government to democrats. republicans control both chambers of the legislature by slim margins and democrats are in striking distance despite scandals that rocked the state s top leaders. the president s unpopular here. i m appalled by everything he does. reporter: that s made the contest a bellwether for 2020. another focus for voters, gun control. in the wake of mass shooting in virginia beach earlier this year. i don t understand why there can t be a background check on people, you know, owning guns. reporter: the possibility of turning virginia blue brought out democratic contenders for president in recent days. here in virginia, progressives are going to win. reporter: president trump has campaigned in friendlier territory, holding matthew can hold on to the governor s mansion in kentucky. he s a fantastic governor. reporter: the race is surprisingly close given that the president won the state by 30 points in 2016. tuesday go out and vote for tate. reporter: in mississippi, the president rallied for lieutenant governor tate reeves, who is fighting to prevail in the closest gubernatorial contest there in over a decade. the democrat, jim hood, brought in former president barack obama to help turn out the state s black voters. a brighter future for mississippi is in your hands. all you have to do is vote. reporter: in a sign of how closely republicans are watching statewide races, president trump is headed to louisiana tomorrow to campaign for republican gubernatorial candidate there. louisiana votes for governor later this month. norah. o donnell: all right, ed, thank you. now to florida where a sheriffs deputy who worked at a school for children with special needs is under arrest tonight. williard miller is facing a felony charge after video shows him grabbing a female student and slamming her to the ground. vladimir duthiers has new details. reporter: the images are shocking. in this silent two and a half minute video, a sheriff s deputy can be seen talking to a young girl before suddenly rushing her, grabbing her by the throat, and slamming her on to the ground. school resource officer willard miller then flips the 15-year- old girl on her stomach before forcibly lifting her up and throwing her out of the room. sheriff gregory tony. his actions were deplorable. they were uncalled for, and they violated multiple policies just on the optics. reporter: it s unclear what prompted the violent response at cross creek school. school security cameras show the young girl walking up behind miller and tapping the back of his knees with her foot, causing his legs to buckle before walking away. sheriff tony would not say what miller and the girl said to each other after the knee tap but said nothing the girl said or did justified the 38-year-old deputy s actions. i find probable cause. reporter: miller, seen here in court today, was released on a $5,000 bond. it was at least the fourth time this year a broward deputy has been charged with excessive force. two deputies are awaiting trial on misdemeanor charges after a teen was beaten and pepper sprayed outside a mcdonald s last spring. and last week another deputy was fired after slugging a suspect who was handcuffed to a hospital bed. sheriff tony vowed today to continue cracking down on deputies that violate department standards. deputy miller, who has no record of disciplinary problems, has been suspended from the force and faces one count of felony child abuse. he 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practices or games. girls soccer was second at a rate of eight per 10,000. boys soccer had a much lower rate. in the 20 sports studied, girls had nearly twice the rate of concussion as boys. i have had really bad headaches and i have been sleeping a lot. for the past week i haven t been to school. reporter: 12-year-old olivia hans got a concussion when she collided with another player and hit the ground. emily lee is olivia s mother. we were worried because it was severe. it was considered a major concussion. reporter: for girls, heading the ball or colliding with another player were the main causes of concussion. the team doctor for the women s professional team. we re still working toward proper diagnosing and manageable of concussion, but we re also really trying to promote awareness and prevention. o donnell: dr. lapook joins us. so, why the difference? nobody really knows. there are some theories. it could be that there are hormonal differences that are contributing to the increase in concussions. it could be differences in the anatomy of the neck. it s also possible that girls are more likely to report the symptoms of concussion than boys are. so the boys are sort of saying, i m going to tough it out, and they re basically being underreported. o donnell: that s an interesting theory. jon, thank you. coming up, a woman stranded at sea for days comes up with a sweet solution. sweet solution. janie, come here. check this out. let me see. she looks. kind of like me. yeah. that s because it s your grandma when she was your age. oh wow. that s.that s amazing. oh and she was on the debate team. yeah, that s probably why you re the debate queen. - mmhmm. - i ll take that. look at that smile. i have the same dimples as her. yeah. the same placements and everything. unbelievable. 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warrants? the concern grows out of the fact that all of the failures and the and the information that should ved been given and wasn t given. and the question being what was the intent? what what washa their intention? their motivation there. and what we determined was we couldn t definitively say what the motivation was. are these pretty smart people? fairly well-educated? at least well-educated. i don t know if they re smart. i don t know if we re very smart to beow honest with you. i was b going to say they have law degrees, right? at least somehe of them do. so you think the woods review for people at this level of the organization. to be clear, the stuff that didn t happen on the woods review was basic stuff. yeah. you didn t need to be a deeply-experienced fbi agent to be able to do it the right way. well, that s my point. so wouldn t you think that would almost be muscle p memory for people who are going through this process to know they had an obligation to go through that? they clearly should have. and so wouldn t it also seem reasonable that if they didn t you can t answer this question but to me, it seems like if something is as standard as that process, before you go to a fisa court, to not do it was something they intended not to do. they didn tt want to go throug it. i mean, it seems to be a logical conclusion. and then youeebe ask yourself, ? well, because we don t ever want this guy to get elected president. and if he does, sounds like they want to impeach him. i mean, i can t understand anybody working in this organization. understanding the scrutiny that we placed under the fisa courts. and by the way, count me in. because we now seen the abuses you ve warned us about. you can smirk again because you were right. but i mean, we re it it just seemse to me that this organization. this closely-held organization of highly-educated, highly-experienced people, i have to believe they were handpicked for this process. they were picked because they had some of the best reputations in there. they had to know that this was going it was going to come to this. that it was going to be scrutinized. regardless of who the subject of the investigation was. if the if the names were changed and the parties were changed, we d still be here. and it looks like they were trying to skate along the edges and get away with something to me. and i can t imagine that they did it for any other reason than a political motivation. and i don t expect you toa respond to that because you re doing a great job of holding to the scope of your report.re but nobody can tell me, with people of thisl caliber, with e record of partisan, vitriolic, to say we just forgot to do a standard procedural review that you would probably expect one of their staff twora or three levels down to know you need to do it. it just doesn t make sense to me. now, you vet gottenen a lot of questions today that had nothing to do withqu your report. i think you ve done a very good job of saying i m here to talk about my report. you didn t do a russia collusion investigation, did you? we did not. you didn t reprosecute the special counsel report, did you? po we did not. would you agree that you got a lot of questions today that had nothing to do with what you were here to talk about today? i certainly had dseveral. yeah. so i also wonder whether or not that was politicallyo motivate. let s focus on this. what i found interesting was that weat do have people who ar using this asav a platform on t other side of the aisle that says, well, now we need to the we need to look at the fisa process. i don t know why you d use this as a platform to do that. unless you thought that this is a clearho case where the fisa process was abused. and then if you look at this information, this ecosystem of smart people who i think turned a blind eye to damning evidence to serve as a basis for renewing thefo fisa report. it s just beyond my comprehension. of this evidence in yourf report, i think is prett strong. i hope that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, when we take up impeachment next month, have that same standard for the weight of evidence that we re going to be asked tof look at. thank you, mr. chair. senator rona. thank you. you r identify significant issu with the fisa application process for conducting surveillance on carter page. before this investigation, were you aware of the use of the fisa process? i was not personally. although, we have done reports, as you know, senator, since 9/11 my office. well, you can t sit here and tell us that these errors only occurred with regard to this fisa application process. w we we ve identified problems in the past. i will sayms we ve never done a dive into one as deep as this. as have a number of us, by the way. senator lee and others of us. we understand that there are issues relating to the fisa process. and, in fact, after you pointed out your the errors, et cetera. the director acknowledged your findings. and, in fact, he is moving ahead to make improvements to the fisa process and as he put it to make the fbi a much stronger institution. that s correct. would you agree that it is a major decision to seek authority from a fisa court to conduct surveillance on ant american? i agree. if fbi officials were politically-motivated and wanting to conduct surveillance on a particular american, wouldn t the decision to seek fisaee approval be a point wher political bias could affect the process? could. yes. yes. actually, that would be a pretty good time for any kind of political bias to manifest itself. but here, you found no evidence of political bias in deciding to seek fisa approval. we did not find such evidence. when you released your report on monday, both the attorney general and mr. durham immediately issued public statements that challenged the findings in your report. attorney general barr stated, quote, the inspector general s report now makes clear that the fbi launched an intrusive investigation of a u.s. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. end quote. an you point to the page or pages in your report that found that the fbi launched an intrusive investigation on the thinnest of suspicions that were insufficient to justify the fbi s actions? t we concluded that there was sufficient predication. asuh-huh. would you consider words like the thinnest of suspicions, intrusive investigation, neutral words? to describe the work. going to let others answer for their own comments and stick to what we ve written. you ve said that and everybody s entitled to characterize your investigation. buty you know what, i think we all know what constitutes fair. a fair characterization. i would say those are not fair. yesterday, attorney general barr went on a tv to challenge the validity of the findings of your report. and suggested that his own fbi agents have acted in quote bad faith and with improper motives. and that it was premature to conclude otherwise. these insinuations are inconsistent with your report. and one justification that he gave foron disregarding the key finding in your report was that unlike the investigator he handpicked, mr. durham, you could not compel testimony. you interviewed more than 100 witnesses for your investigation. in your report, youur note you were unable to compel testimony from two people. glen simpson and jonathan winer. were these the only two people who wouldn t testify or talk to you? dnti those were the only two people that we asked to interview that turned us down. and do you think that the fact thatnd you did not intervi these two witnesses undermined the conclusions in your report? that you found no documentary or testimony evidencent of politic bias in opening the investigation or seekingn fisa authority for carter page? i don t believe they undermined any of i our conclusions. it would have been good to have their evidence, like it isbe normally. is do you think that the findings inin your report are inaccurate because you r lacked the authority to compel witnesses? not in this instance, no. in april 2019, attorney general barr told congress, quote, i think spying did occur. end quote. when talking about the fbi s investigation of the trump campaign s ties with the russian government in the 2016 election. and yesterday, attorney general barr reiterated the trump campaign was clearly i m quoting himly now clearly spd upon. helypi claimed the fbi s investigation investigative actions, which you discuss in your report, constitute spying. and the word spying carries, i would say, negative connotations. don t you think? i mean, it sounds like law enforcement is doing something they re not authorized to do. that they would spy on us. and that s why we use and only rely on the word that s in the law, which is surveillance. and yet, we have the highest law enforcement person in our entire country using a word not just once but twice. using the word spying. so clearly, your report found that the, fbi s investigation s for an authorized and with an adequate predicate. you would not use such a word in your report. we don t use that in our report. do you think questioning the motivesin of your staff is possibly involving bad faith? or accusing them of spying would be demoralizing to your people? let me put i i would not speak to my folks about them acting in that manner. do you think that s i d haven t seen that either characterize what you all do in your professional capacity? i think that s a rhetorical question. yeah. you r know, so point taken, though. law enforcement staff s investigations as intrusive and based on the thinnest of suspicions also cast dispersions on the professionalism of your people. and i think that is probably also not terribly edifying or supportive. did the attorney general provide you with any evidence to support his claim that the fbi agents were spying? we in terms of evidence we didn t get any evidence from the attorney general. we did meet with mr. durham. had a discussion with him. but we, as i said, are standing by our conclusions.ai does it bother you that you have the attorney general using words like spying to characterize what the fbi did under an authorized process? you know, as inspector general, i m going to stick to what we do and what we ve said and notha try and guess the motives or ideas or thoughts of anyone else out there. i don t see you jumping up and down with use of such words. let me go on. on november 21st, dr. fiona hill, the former national security council seniorfo direcr for europe and russia, warned that russia has, quote, geared up to repeat their interference in the 2020 election. even as we speak. that s what russia is doing. she also warned congress against promoting the fictional narrative that ukraine, rather than russia, interfered in the 2016 u.s. election. these conspiracy theories, she said, clearly advance russian interests. fbi director stated on monday thatdi the fbi has no informati that would indicate that ukraine tried to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. when we talk about interfering, we re talking about the kind of systemic government-sanctioned interference with our election process that russia engaged in. and there s no way that ukraine engaged in that kind of systematic interference. so in all the documents that you reviewed, 100 witnesses. did you find10 any evidence tha contradicts fbi director ray s statement that the fbi has no information that indicates ukraine tried to interfere in the 2016 election? we didn t see any such evidence. but ieeny emphasize that was izyes, i know. but, you know what, you would think that you re looking through a million documents. fortunately, not me but the team. there might have been something there that referenced that maybe ukraine was engaging in the kind of systematic interference that russia did. i know that senators asked you about this butha i want to maket clear. is there anything in your report that calls into question the conclusion of the mueller report that russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in a sweeping andde systematic fashi? no. and of course, you all know that the mueller investigation resulted in 37 indictments and six convictions of trump associates. is there anything in your report that calls into question special counsel mueller s conclusion that the trump campaign not only knew about russia s election interference but they encouraged it and expected it to and expected to benefit electorally from it? no. i know you receive a lot of requests from republican and democratic members of congress to do certain investigations. and i ve been among those. i realize you have to take certain factors into consideration because you only have soca many resources to conduct all these investigations. and one of the requests that i and my colleagues asked you to investigate was whether attorney general barr s handling of the mueller report was h misleading. and whether he demonstrated bias in dealing with the mueller investigation. in light of the factors that i that i m sure you consider, will you take another another look at the request that i, and my colleagues, sent you? toue see whether you are able t investigate any of them. so on that, senator, first of all, i d be happy to come up and meet with you andto talk about with you in person. let me say i i ve had conversations with some of the members of the committee about this issue. it s the the letter s asking us to look at the conduct of senior lawyers at the department.er directly implicate section 80 of the inspector general act, which prohibits me from looking at conduct of lawyers in their capacity as lawyers. senator lee has sponsored a bill that passed the house unanimously. bipartisan, full support. pending here. several members of the committee have co-sponsored it. that provision prevents me from undertaking investigations of misconduct by senior department lawyers. or actually, any department lawyers justny to be clear. t well, this is one time whei actually i think agree with senator lee in that needing to make that kind ofin change to enable you to makeki the kind o investigation that we re asking you to make. thank you, mr. chairman. i d be happy to come up and talk about it with you further. thankt you. i ll keep doing this and i ll apologize. has anyone been convicted of the crime of working with the russian government associated with the trumpng campaign? that you know of. not that i know of. well, they haven t. so i just whatever convictions have been attained got nothing to do with colluding with the russians. that s what got us here. and about what happened here. if the government is surveilling an american citizen, pursuant to a fisa warrant, and the government information s given to the government that questionsto the foundation of t warrant, is there an obligation to tell the court? absolutely. they did not do that, did they? correct. they lied about the information that was exculpatory to mr. page. they gave misleading, inaccurate information. at what point does ad can surveillance that d started lawfully become illegal? it can it can become unauthorized, inappropriate, illegal. depending on would you apply all those terms to what happened in this case? i m going to let others, who have the ability to address some of these issues, decide what the precise level of intent was. here s what i m going to say. it may have started lawfully. it got off the rails quick. it r became a criminal conspira to defraud the fisa court. to put mr. page through hell. and to continue to surveil president trump after he got elected. and i hope somebody pays a price for that. you ve certainly done your part, mr. horowitz. thank you, mr. chair. and thank you very much, inspector general, for being here today and presenting this information. and i know that a couple others have focused on this. andoc i d like to dive back in. but but first. there is a lot of respect out there or there has been for the fbi.e is and i remember as a kid, you know, watching movies or shows that portrayed the fbi. and we really thought, wow, those are the good guys. and i think what we have seen through the past number of years, number of months, is that a few bad actors have really squandered that away. and i think the american people look at the fbie and they thin wow. if they re doing this to a presidential candidate, what would they do to me, as just a normal, american citizen? are they really there for me? so i m just so sorry that this has led to this. again, a few very bad actors. i heard somebody earlier saying, oh, the mistakes that were made at the fbi. the mistakes. it s not like, oops, i accidentally filed a fisa warrant or an application. a fisa application. oops. that accidentally happened. that s not a mistake. that it just wreaks of of ill wishes to do harm. so, again, i just think the fbi. we ve always thought of it as a such a great institution. and now, i m looking at all this information. we ve all reviewed the report. and i think, for god sakes, what is going onod here? so thank you for doing this work. i think it s f just really important we take a look at what s going on. why it happened. and i d like to focus a little more just on on the discipline aspect of this because these mistakes were made by somemi people that really wanted to do bad harm. to an individual. illegally. so peter strzok was fired from the fbi. is that correct?e that s correct. okay. so he still has a merit system protection board that has not yet adjudicated, is that correct? that s my understanding. doesth that mean that the termination is final? or not final? i m going to get ahead of my legal employment law capabilities if i give you too many opinions on what his legal rights are inha that regard. okay.re very good.th thank you.ka it seems that there was only one individual referred for possible criminal prosecution. based on the ig review. and that s the person that altered the e-mail. to imply that carter page was not or never a source for another agency. that apparent concealment of facts from the fisa court, especially as relate to the accuracy of steele s reporting, can you explain why there were no more criminal referrals? what we ultimately decided wasat that the conduct here warranted sending the entire report to the fbi and the departmentrt for review. for review from the line agent all the way to the top of people who were still at the fbi. and, as we said, we didn t see documentary and testimonial evidence of intent. but we also didn t hear good explanations, which left us with an open question on what the motive was and what the state of mind was. and the adjudicative process that the fbi and department will now assess that and look at that. an sure. so so wet don t know of anye else that has been fired or reassigned. i don t know as i sit here. that would have to come from the fbi orld the department. okay. so with that, how many how many case agents involved with the fisa applications in your report are still active case agents today? as i sit here, i can t tell you the precise number. there are several who still are. that are active. that are still active agents. whether they re still in certain roles or not, i don t know. okay. because you don t know specifically if they are still working as casely agents, do yo believe, if they were working as case agents, that the information contained in your report as it relates to those case agents should be released to other criminal defendants under the department s policy? i think this raises those kinds of issuesnk for the department to review and consider what they have to do to remedy any wrongs here. and for those folks that are watching this back at home in iowa. can you talk a little bit about the giglio policy? yeah. so in criminal cases, for example, when an agent is found to have engaged in misconduct, whether by a judge or by the department of justice, there is an obligation under supreme court case called the giglio case, to notify the defendant of the wrongdoing or harm or misconduct. impeachable evidence. those sorts of things. and that obligation is taken seriously. has to be taken t seriously. as i said, i ve done law enforcement corruption cases as an ausa. and one of the first things we do, including now as ig when we find issues, is notify prosecutors and the department and laws enforcement to ensure that they take appropriate steps in a timely way. to make sure those agents or if it s prosecutors, but agents we re here talking about, aren t continuing toar pursue cases. or aren t allowed to stay in those positions if they ve violated the trust that they ve been given. i think that s important. the reason we re talking a little bit aboute this and discipline, pollty, aicy, and procedures, is because the american people, when the look at an institution likehe the fb. they want to know that they are good guys. and if they are not good guys, they need to go. i think the american public gets tired of seeing bad actors with no repercussions. very important from our standpoint as i as the inspector general s office that there bes accountability for a conduct across the board. but certainly, for misconduct. and performance failures. and those need to be taken into account. yeah. performance failures. lying. i mean, there was a lot going on in the department. they weren t just d mistakes, a somebody casually mentioned. these are not just mistakes. this was bad conduct. it was intentional. so i i do think that as we see this move on, move forward, that anybody that was involved in those malicious activities is gone. so a little bit about policy and procedures, just very quickly.it the ig s office has previouslily identified a pattern of leaks and improper contact between fbi employees and the media. part of the decision to work the crossfire hurricane case out of the fbi headquarters. it does seem to be due to the fear of leaks, if it were actually worked out in the field. so can you characterize how much of a problem leaks are? and those unauthorized contacts between the media and members within the fbi?be so we identified this last year in our clinton collection report. the number ofec contacts. and we ve seen it as we ve sedo these reports w subsequent to tt in finding inappropriate, improper contact between agents and theop media. since our report last year, director ray has put out a new policy and ordered to take a new training to deal with that. or try too address that and to change theo culture, which is what we talked about a year ago. the culture and the viewpoint in a federal, criminal investigation, fairness to the defendant or the subject of the investigation. fairness to victims, if there are victims. fairness to the process requires people, agents who are working theseop cases, to keep their he down. work theea case. and not disclose information to outsidet parties. whether it s the media, friends, relatives, neighbors, whomever. that information has to stay in the office. and so there has been a policy change. but what are the repercussions if someone is found guilty of engaging in those unauthorized contacts with media? so that s one of the things we re going to follow up with the fbi on. as we ve done these cases over the last year, as we ve referred them, what s actually been the penalty that s been imposed? what s happened to those folks? and how is that message getting out? not just publicly but internally that there are going to be consequences for that. because without the consequences, the deterrent effect goes away. right. absolutely. and there is no restoration of trust in the agency if there are not repercussions to those that are maliciously pursuing these types of activities. so i appreciate your time. i appreciate your team. i and the work that they put into the report. and, in all fairness, we ve got to do better. and we ve got a long ways to go to restore trust in the fbi and anyone working with the fbi. so, again, i appreciate it. thank you so much. thank you, mr. chair, i yield back. senator harris. welcome back. thank you, mr. chairman. general horowitz, thank you for conducting yourfo thorough investigation into the origins of the department of justice s russia investigation. so your report makes clear that the fbi had a legitimate reason to investigate the trump campaign. is that correct? sufficient predication. and your office found no evidence that the fbi launched a politically-motivated investigation, is that correct? that s correct. and another key findingator that the f fbi committed severa errors in his applications in their applications to surveil carter page. or maybe moreo than several andre as the fbi director ra himself has acknowledged, your investigation found serious fbi misconduct that needs to be addressed and director ray also said that the fbi fully accepts your investigation s findings. is that correct? that s correct. on the other hand, attorney general barr has been highly critical of your findings. during the final stages of your investigation, he evenof embark on his own personal investigation by meeting with foreign leaders in foreign lands. apparently, in search of evidence that contradicts the fact that russia interfered in the 2016 united states presidential election.russ to benefit trump. clearly, barr s investigation, which was launched to do the bidding of president trump, has two objectives. one, to undermine the integrity of our intelligence community. the goal, to cast doubt on the finding thatdo russia interfere in the 2016 election in order to benefit the trump campaign. and, two, to intimidate the men and women of our intelligence community. by suggesting that our national security professionalsin will fe seriousro consequences if they investigate wrongdoing on the part of this president or his operatives. so, general horowitz, i appreciate your extensive work and the work that your office has devoted to this investigation. but, in addition, you have the power and the duty to investigate misconduct committed byve the attorney general of th united states.ct who is doing the bidding of the president to undermine our intelligence community. and i trust you take that duty seriously. i i do. and i d just like to add that, under the law, under the inspector general act, it carves out for my authority, the ability to look at misconduct by department lawyers from the line lawyer all the l way to the top and the attorney general. history has also shown us that the inspector general can participate in an investigation of the attorney general. and that, in fact, happened with general gonzales. do you recall that? that happened and go it s worth noting that happened after the attorney general said our office was not going to get the case. it was going to go to the office of professional responsibility. and the choice for our office was whether to join that investigation or not.or but that wasn t initiated through us. that s the important point. the law has to change, senator. so are you recommending absolutely. if i propose legislation, would you support that? absolutely. in fact, there s legislation senator lee has sponsored several members have co-sponsored. the house has passed this unanimously. and you would support it? absolutely,th 100%. so it was recently reported that the president s personal attorney, rudy giuliani, asked ukrainians to help search for dirt of the of the political rivals of the president. in exchange for the help, giuliani offered to help fix criminal cases against them at doj. giuliani and his associates, two of whom have been indicted and are now in federal custody, allegedly reached out to a ukrainian energy tycoon, who faced legal problems in america. . t in exchange for helping find dirt on the president s political rivals, giuliani s associates reportedly connected the ukrainian with lawyers who could get a top-level meeting at the united states department of justice. in essence, giuliani s scheme was an attempt to trade get out of jail free cards for political favors. as part of giuliani s plan, attorney general barr met with the ukrainians lawyers, who asked that the department of justice withdrawal evidencehe i the tycoon s bribery prosecution. wi earlier today, you said you are not investigating matters related to ongoing ukraine issues. does that mean that you have decided not to investigate these incidents? no. as i think mentioned in a recent letter and i ve been in touch with fellow igs who have been asked by members to look at those issues. we ve been in communication with each other. i think as mr. fine, the defense department wrote to several members of congress. he was foregoing at the time. work while the house investigation proceeded and any matters here in the senate.at and, you know, as i mentioned, we will looki accordingly at a action that we have the jurisdiction to review. getting back to the section 80 section. no other ig has that limitation, by the way. so they can investigate their secretary, deputy secretary, administrator, whomever.y i just point that out because that s important to keep in mind as we get requests. and why are we different than the state department weig? the epa ig? couldn t agree with you more. couldn t agree with you more. do you agree that if true, giuliani s scheme isru alarming? i think s anything like that would be very concerning. and mr. giuliani recently returned to ukraine in search of dirt on the president s political rivals. apparently, in order to cook up a dossier of his own.n ri yesterday, he told reporters that president trump asked him to brief the justice department and senate republicans on what, if anything, he finds. do you and are you concerned that the justice department would coordinate with the president s personal lawyer on a scheme clearly designed to benefit the president s political campaign?le i m going to look at the evidence myself and facts. i ve learned to, before taking any action, to not just rely on news reports or other allegations. but to actually spend o the tim to to look at them. soto i d i d ask to take a lk at that. and happy to come in and meet with you. please do. i d appreciate that. is it appropriate for the attorney general or anyone at the department of justice to take actions that are slowly solely designed to benefit the president politically? i think that would create questions about on various rules that the department and practices at the department. during attorney general barr s last g appearance before this committee, i asked him, has the president or anyone at the white house ever suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? t uh-huh. after pondering the word, suggest, the attorney general declined to answer. the attorney general s non-response suggested to many that hese has opened politically-motivated investigations. indeed, we know thaty- during a call with the president of ukraine, president trump said that attorney general barr would follow up regarding the quote/unquote favor. that the president demanded. did the attorney general or anyone at justice follow up with the president s call? i don t know the answer to that question. and again anyone in your office know the answer to that question? i don t believe anybody in my office would know it. and, frankly, it gets to the question of a decision by the attorney general. whether to open an investigation or not. which, in most instances, i won t foreclose it completely but in most instances, would fall squarely within the predicti prohibition on my jurisdiction. president trump s phone conversation wasnt apparent efft to solicit interference in the election. and the call involved officials at multiple agencies, including department of justice, state department, the office of management and budget and others. are you workingud with the inspectors general of these various agencies on that issue? as i mentioned, i m you know,yo allegations that come i. we ll talk with our fellow igs. on that specific one, are you working with other igs? we re not i don t have any ongoing work at this point. again, i m not sure what my legal if i d have a statutory authority to look at actions by lawyers at the department related to misconduct. have you been approached by any other igs to work with them on an investigation that related to that phone call? i ll say we ve had discussions generally. i don t know what whether other igs at this point have or do not have ongoing investigations. you have had conversations generally about this phone call? about about, generally, ukraine-related matters and discussions, generally., how about specifically about this phone call? i don t recall, as i sit here, discussions about it. you have to refresh your memory? refresh my recollection on this issue. obviously, been spending a fair amount of time preparing to deal with the 400-plus-page report that we re talking about today. involving ukraine. yeah. no, right. this ri okay. the american system of justice waste founded on the principle equal justice under the law. and that principle obviously means there cannot be one system of justice for one group of people and a different system of justice for others. and i have spent my career fighting for equal justice. andca i ll tell you that everyby in the department of justice obviously has a duty to make sure that people get a fair shot.ar unfortunately, recent reports that the actions taken by thet justice department leaders fall far short of their obligation toho pursue equal an evenhanded justice. for evexample, in 2011, the department of justice office of legal counsel issued an opinion that paved the way for states to legalize online gambling. this opinion was opposed by sheldon adelson and who is a major donor who spent millions ofwh dollars to support preside trump. and hisid lobbyist also sent a memo to top doj officials asking that the opinion be reversed. and, of course, then the llc reversed the opinion in january of 2019. has your office investigated whether political considerations motivated ther department of justice s abrupt reversal of online r gambling? li i m fairly confident that would be barred from doing that by the statutory prohibition. i don t think we would have legal authority to look at why theoo office of legal counsel me a decision one way or another. unless there was a criminal allegation connected t to it. my time is up. thank you.al thank you, mr. chairman. again, i join with everybody else, mr. horowitz, for thanking you and your team for the work you have done here.ea i m going to go back to an issue that s beenck talked about by my of mybo colleagues today and th is this question of bias. actually, i want to start by going back towa june of 2018. when you were last here before theen committee. and when i asked questions of you at that time, i talked about your findings then with regard to bias. the specific focus that i recall there was peter strzok and lisa page. and the information that s already been well-presented here about thees what i consider be the undeniable bias that they had against the president president trump. at that time, you made similar statements to those you made today. which is that youma did not fin bias in the decisions that you were evaluating in that report. but as i went through that with you, i think that you also confirmed that you were not saying that there was no bias by those who were involved in making decisions. other rather, you were saying you could not prove that that bias was a factor in their management of the activities they engaged in on behalf of the fbi. as i understood it, you said that there was bias. but,th in fact, that you had asd them whether their bias influenced their work performance. they had told you that it did not. and you had no contrary evidence to dispute that. is that correct? let me clarify. let me explain. i we found that those text messages evidenced bias. and what we ultimately found was that other people were involved and made many of those decisions, not them. and that was the base not because we didn t know whether they were bias. those text evidenced bias by them. the question b was the other individuals who we didn t have text messages for. and that would be consistent with what your report here today says. as i m reading from the executive summary. deputy attorney general i believe that s his title. assistant director. depending on the time period. okay. he s the one who made the final decision to open each of the four investigations. correct. he didur that in consultatio with a number of others, including peter strzok. correct. and you don t necessarily know what advice was given in those conversations, do you? i don t. but he made the final decision.ut and because you had no and and you used the phrase very consistently here today. you did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias oria improper motivation influenced the decision to open these four investigations. right. did you ask him whether he hadsk bias? we asked all the witnesses, not just him, as to whether as to whether bias or other improper considerations had any impact. but we also looked for e-mails, text messages, documents that could show what we found, frankly, with strzok and page. i mean,st that is how you find evidence of bias. now, beyond that,ev i m stuck trying to understandi what s i somebody s head. i understand. i just want to make it really clear what it is you are saying and what you are not saying. correct.cl i and in this case, what you re saying is thatas you could not find anyou documentary or testimonial evidence to contradict the statements of the investigators that they were nof letting bias influence their decision. correct. t do you believe that s an open question? i can only i can only speak to the evidence we found. i think the important point here, and i made earlier is, all the evidence is here. people are free to consider or evaluate c what they think ultimately what they think people s motivations were. we don t reach a definitive conclusion. you weren t making that decision. we re not making a decision on, ultimately, information, evidence we don t have that somebody t acted may have acted. in my opinion, and i think in the opinion of most of us who have m on this side of the aisle at least who have talked to you today. i think there s tons of evidence of bias here. in fact, you have referred for further action to the attorney general. one case, for criminal prosecution, if i understand it right. and other cases of how many other individuals? so but i want to be clear. we re talking nowto about the fa as opposed to the open. i understand. there is a distinction between the opening of the investigation and the conduct of the investigation. correct. and so i m i understand that. i appreciate you for making that clarification because in the conduct of the investigation, it appears tot me there has been intense bias. but you re not making that judgment. i understand that. you re referring that to the attorney general,ha correct? uh-huh. and the fbi for adjudication, consideration. understood. and i believe inio response to senator ernst s question on this same issue, you indicated that similarly, since you could not find any documentary evidence or testimonial evidence to contradict theirce statements tt they were not biased. that that leaves an open question as to what the fbi or the attorney general will find withat these referrals. there are significant, serious failures here on the operation of the, particularly in connection with the fisas. whether it was sheer, gross incompetence that led to this. versus intentional misconduct and what the motive or anything in between and what thean motivations are. i can t tell you. you re not making that decision. i can t tell you, as i sit here today, because i don t have enough evidence to reach a conclusion. but if someone were to characterize what you are telling us to be that you re telling us there is no bias here. that sg not what you re tellin us. that is not as to the operation of these fisas is what i m telling you. all right. understood. and i did want to get to this question, though, about the operation of the fisas. and, again, you may not answer this and that s fine. but it seems to me, if we go beyond the bias question. to intentional versus grossly negligent. it seems to me that the kind of misconduct that has been presented by you and reviewed by our chairman and many others here today is mind numbing to consider that it could be just accidental. can you reach a conclusion like that? i d be skeptical. but i understand why people would be skeptical of that. there is such a range of conduct here that is inexplicable. and the answers we got were not satisfactory. that we re left trying to understand how could all these errors have occurred over a nine-month period or so? among three teams, handpicked. one of theam highest profile, i not the highest profile, case in the fbi. involving a presidential campaign. i understand that. i appreciate that. i think it is explicable. but i understand that you can t or at least aren t going to make that jump. you are going to refer these cases. heuh-huh. and ca and i appreciate th. is criminal prosecution a possible action in the cases other than the one you ve specifically referred?ct i i wouldn t want to prejudice or prejudge anything. i d leave it to the department to speak to you on that. all right. let me go on for just a moment. when when when let let s move to the whistle-blower question just once more. i m shiftinges topics completel. it s come up several times today and i understand your point that a whistle-blower is entitled to anonymity. uh-huh. to me how it happens that the person accused when a whistle-blower makes an accusation can have the right that mostcu americans think the should have to confront those testifying against them? how how is thatng accomplish? so i ll speak to what we do. we get anonymous allegations frequently. we get people coming forward who are reporting misconduct who want to be anonymous. want to stay anonymous. so we get them both ways. we get people walking in saying keep me anonymous. and anonymous complaints.g in we move forward on both if we think they aree sufficient to move forwardre on. and predicated and have support. but we then have to prove the allegations and get corroboration for its because you re right. the individual, if there is a finding ofhe misconduct, has a right to ultimately challenge the evidence found. but it doesn t necessarily mean that they get all the way back to where the nugget started. if that information is corroborated through other means. and the ig act requires us, actually, the congressional the law says senator grassley obviously has had a role in this. makes it quite clear. we are not unless we re legally- obligated to provide e information, the law requires us to do so. it s our obligation as igs to keep that information. well, i appreciate that because, as you know, we may face that question here in the senate relatively quickly. last quick question and i m running out of time. so i just would like a quick answer if you could. i m trying to find out who brought the steele dossier to the attention of the fbi for the investigation? was that andrew mccabe? or was that bruce ore? so it was steele in july 5th of 2016 going to his handling agent. the agent there is a dispute whether he was a confidential source or not. we spend a number of pages on this. but the agent that steele had a relationship with is the agent he went to with some of his reports. that agent then took put it through a process at the fbi.ok and it then took from july 5th to september 19th to get the information to the crossfire hurricane team. eventually, in that meandering over the what is that 2 1/2 months, there is information we- conclude in he that mr. mccabe was involved in referring it over to the crossfire hurricane team. all right. thank you. long day, general. you got sturdy kidneys. hopefully, for 20 more minutes. i m gonna try to land this plane early. i believe the the fbi is the premiere law enforcement agency in all of human history. would you disagree with that? i would not.u clearly, we ve got some bad apples. uh-huh. i want to thank you and i want to w thank your team for yr usual superb job. after i i i haven t read the entire report. i m about 70% of the way through. but i m gonna finish it. it s tedious. i don t mean that in a pejorative sense. it s supposed to be tedious. right. after about 15% of the way through, it made me want to heave. after about 25% of the way through, i thought i d dropped acid. it s surreal. i mean, i just couldn t believe it. i ve read iti multiple time. and every time i read it, i m let me ask you this. how many members comprised the misfire hurricane team? there were three teams over that period of time. i would venture to guess, again depending on how you count them. just roughly. at least half a dozen to to a dozen. on each of those iterations. i ll turn around and see if i m somewhat close. does that include their supervisors? generally speaking. half dozen to a dozen? probably a little bit more if you re going to go all the way upyo the chain through all the different levels at the bureau. do you or your team have a feel for how many how many of ts are still at the fbi? i know you tried to answer that. well, the higher-level people, as you know, have changed over in the last year so that actor deputy director, the assistant director, a lot of people at the upper levels but are some of the actual agents? some of the agents are still there. are they still working on fisa applications? i would encourage you to speak to the fbi about that. i think we will. i think they have taken some steps in that regard. it s easier to divorce your spouse than it is to get fired. that s clear. at least at the fbi. uh, is mr. ore still at the department of justice? my understanding yes he is. he s still there? that s my understanding. how long within the fbi i know you just issued your report but how long within the fbi has this been knowledge? so, we sent the draft for classification not your document, excuse me for interrupting but just the fact thatr there was a major league screwup here. it evolved over time. they did not know a lot of this until we found it. but they know it now, right? chris wray knows it now, right? yes. as of the end of august. does your report vindicate mr. comey? mr it doesn t vindicate anyon at the fbi who touched this including the leadership. does it vindicate mr. mccabe? same answer. how about ms. page? s.um, a little different the, because, as wedi found here, sh wasn t involved in this, largely wasn t involved in this. she t participated in the in some discussions but was not in the fisa chain. on that note, who briefed the agent that was sent to surveil michael flynn during the meeting with president trump? um, that was discussed up and down the chain at the fbi. so that was not a hidden fact or hidden information. all right. i like the fact that you and your team are very precise in your language. i mean, for instance, i wish i wrote as well as you and your team did. and i noticed you were careful to say i m going to quote here.m we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations. your words. correct. no documentary evidence and no testimonial evidence. so you didn t find any documents that said we did this to get trump, right? or text messages like the strzok page textli messages. xt right. and nobody who was involved in this circus without a tent looked you in the eye and said, yep,e i did it to get trump. nobody did that? or, for example, a whistle-blower come in or other people tell us pe right. that they heard something looked you in the eye and said, yeah, you re right, i did it to get, trump? and nobody with different means and said i ve got a problem here. i mean, you don t have to qualify as mensa material to know not to do that to the inspector general, heright? yeah. look at some of the text messages we found. so i m not sure i understand. that may be a counter narrative to that. well, i don t want to get too i mean epistimological here. but is the absence of evidence always the evidence of absence? no, it isn t. so, can you rule out categorically, unequivocally, and unconditionally that there was no bias here by the fact that you didn t find anything in writing, and none of these chuckleheads looked you in the eye and said i dideh it to get trump? t it s rare that i could tel you, i could unequivocally 100% say this actually happened. so i get it. i will say, somewhat the difference on the opening is we concluded based on the events that mr. prestap opened it. we have not seen in last year s investigation or this investigation looking through texts, emails, et cetera, talking e to other people, any evidence thate, he did it for a improper purpose. can i tell you a thousand percent someone won t walk in, in a wake and say, ah-hah, you missed this? i m sorry. go ahead. let s talk about the people involvedab in the initial fisa application and the renewals. these are experienced people, right? in this case, these were experienced people. many of them had professional degrees including but not limited to law degrees, right? i actually don t know what all their degreesn were. they knew the law? should ve not only known the law, they should ve known every single policyou that they had t deal with. they were hand-picked by mc bcabe? they were hand-picked. this wasn t their first rodeo? it certainly wasn t with maybe an exception or two towards the end of relatively new agents coming on board. well but that should not have been an excuse, just to be clear. well, it just seems to me that it has to be one or two things. either incompetence or intentional conduct. i agree. it s either sheer incompetence, intentionality or something perhaps in between. so which do you think it is? we ve got so many different people here. first of all, it wouldn t be fair to lump everybody into one because there are different actorsry coming in at different times. some people have more touches of this than others. i think it s fair for people to sit there and look at all of these 17 events and wonder how it could be purely incompetence. well, i want to thank you again. i know this puts you in a tough spot. and i hope you will tell your colleagueste back at the fbi th we appreciate their work. a absolutely. but this has got to be fixed. at a minimum somebody s got to be m fired. agree completely. there s got to be a change inee the culturee also. i m done. thank you, mr. chairman. and, general, i know you re happy to see the end of the dias coming at you. you re going to get out of here. let meo pick up right where senator kennedy left off because i will tell you the perception by the american people, from reading your report, and we ve all put up links so that people can read it, is that this was intentional, that it was deliberate, that it was malicious, it was premeditated and well-thought out, and that it is conducted by people who wered desperate. in essence, it is the epitome of the swamp. it is murky and muddy. and people weren t going to get their way. and this guy who was going to win and then did win didn t deserve to win. and it does have the appearance ofea intentionality because you would not have this series of unfortunate coincidences. that is not what it is. it is the surveillance state at work. this is what they did. and they took their professional place. and those tools that they had at their disposal to go spy on a campaign and on u.s. citizens, which is unbelievable. and you veic heard it from sevel today that people can t believe this happened. and you can say, yes, there are sins y of omission here, but the are also sins of commission. and they were deliberate and