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the mandate altogether to change the law in all these different ways. so when he does make a small tweak to it, suddenly they're up in arms when he is doing part of the exact thing they have been begging him to do. >> you know, bill, there has been a disturbing trend from some on the right, compare the policies of this administration to nazi germany. and last night fox contributor ben carson defended that kind of talk. listen to this. >> the objective of many on the left is to take a single word that you're not supposed to say. you can't say nazis, you can't say slavery. that's political correctness, as you well know. i do not believe in that. i think it's a bunch of crap. i'm worried about the fact that the populous is being silent and is not expressing what they believe because they're afraid. they've been intimidated. >> by? by whom? >> by the government. >> how? >> by the government and by the media, by the pc police.
but he was a bit player. joseph goebbels was a major propagandist, spreading lies about jews and you're comparing him to -- >> what if you compared a submarine commander -- or rommel and the ability to wage war in the desert with tanks? those were major nazis. rommel, he did turn against hitler, but they were masters at warfare. >> i don't understand why you have to bring the nazis into a discussion about health care and your opponents. your comments seem hypocritical given you just wrote an editorial about the dangers of hateful rhetoric and hateful speech. you wrote -- you really think your comments advance civility in the public discourse? >> i guess they don't advance civility, but i think telling lies is uncivil and somebody needs to stand up to the lies that are being told and the fact is, they were similar to what
the holocaust. you said they're doing the same thing that the nazis did. that's comparing them. >> i didn't intend to do that. he's the master political propagandist. he's the major person. if you want to talk about political propaganda, the person you talk about in terms of the big lie was goebbels. >> so you're standing by this, you don't think it's inappropriate in any way? >> well, i think as far as a lie goes, and i've been writing about lies in the political spectrum for the last two months. there was a show that said that the government was creating concentration camps, this was something on trutv. >> that's jesse ventura's ridiculous conspiracy theory show. that's just a joke. >> that's the kind of stuff that produced oklahoma cities. >> but democrats have been critical of people on the right to use nazi imagery to describe president obama. or democrats. i just don't see why you think it's okay to bring in nazis when you're talking about republicans. >> i think when it's an
propagandist, spreading lies about jews and you're comparing him to -- >> what if you compared a submarine commander -- or rommel and the ability to wage war in the desert with tanks? those were major nazis. rommel, he did turn against hitler, but they were masters at warfare. >> i don't understand why you have to bring the nazis into a discussion about health care and your opponents. your comments seem hypocritical given you just wrote an editorial about the dangers of hateful rhetoric and hateful speech. you wrote -- you really think your comments advance civility in the public discourse? >> i guess they don't advance civility, but i think telling lies is uncivil and somebody needs to stand up to the lies that are being told and the fact is, they were similar to what goebbels said, keep it short,
goebbels and other nazis? how is it appropriate? >> because it's the same process. obviously i don't think republicans are nazis, but they used the same means that goebbels used, which was to have a short, concise idea and repeat it over and over and over again. >> but you're essentially comparing them to nazis. >> no, i don't think i was. i certainly didn't intend to. when you do an open session like that on the floor, you speak off the cuff. but no, goebbels was the master of political propaganda. as evil as he was, he was the master of this. when people use it and use lies over and over and over again, whether it's killing grandma, whether it's government takeover of health care or any of those things, somebody has to stand up and say wait a minute. >> if you weren't trying to compare them to nazis, you wouldn't have mentioned nazis. you said their statements on health care are the same lies that nazis told. >> i didn't say nazis. >> you said goebbels, the chief propagandist for the nazis. you said the germans told lies about the jews and that led to
cornell, what do you make of this? he's parsing his words. he compared them to nazis. he brought in nazis completely tangential to an actual discussion. >> i think representative cohen is going to pull back from that. because it really gets in the way of -- >> he's not pulling back now. finally at the end of all the torturous dialogue, he said he was right but wouldn't say it again. >> but he did say, he'll admit what he said does not advance the cause of civility, and he did admit that he didn't intend to compare his republican colleagues to nazis, per se. but i understand the point he was trying to make. it's unfortunate how he made it. we can make the argument that republicans do try to dismiss the facts. i've made that argument here on your show. but when you invoke nazis, it takes it to another level and gets in the way of the conversation. i think he, in retrospect, he
a member of congress on the floor of the house to compare the statements made by republicans about health care to lies about jews told by joseph gerbels and other nazis. how is it appropriate? >> because it's the same process. obviously i don't think republicans are nazis, but they use the same means, which was to have a short, concise idea and repeat it over and over and over again. >> but you're essentially comparing them to nazis. >> no, i don't think i was. when you do an open session like that on the floor, you speak off the cuff. but no, gerbels was the master of political propaganda. as evil as he was, he was the master of this. when people use it and use lies over and over and over again, whether it's killing grand ma, whether it's government takeover of health care or any of those things, somebody has to stand up and say wait a minute. >> if you weren't trying to compare them to nazis, you wouldn't have mentioned nazis. you said it was -- >> i didn't say nazis. >> you said gerbels, the chief
congressman cohen is interested in doing that. if he does clean this up, it's going to be an about face, because he's standing by what he said. >> it's interesting, cornell, because when i tweeted about this, i got a couple tweets from viewers who i assume are liberals sort of critical of -- you know, justifying what he said because it was against republicans. it does seem like each side justifies the actions if it's from their party. >> well, you have extremes on both sides. and that's why you try to find the common middle ground where you can have dialogue. you know, after reading everything that the congressman cohen said, i don't have a lot that i disagree with what he's staying. i do disagree with comparing republicans to nazis. when you invoke that, you miss the conversation. when he's talking about how republicans dismiss, you know,