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Essence of what we do, and, you know, i think the american people are tired of watching a government where people get locked down for no reasons except maybe political reasons. i mean, clearly the president showed, shown real flexibility here. for a guy who's not always that flexible. i mean, he has changed his view of this as he's gotten more information about how you secure the border, about ways to do that. we have consistently said that barriers were part of that. the president went from talking about a wall along the entire southern border at one point during the campaign as part of a cam...

But it does, your point does raise the larger picture that we need to change the laws. that's part and parcel of this comprehensive border security concept. it's not just about a barrier. it's not just about technology. it's about changing the laws that right now act as this giant pull. we encourage people to come here from other countries, to enter the country illegally because of the way our laws are structured, and those need to be fixed as well as part of a larger national security package. john: we should also point out though that this remain in mexico policy right now only applies to pe...

Immovable object. maduro says, you know what? i'm not going anywhere. >> you're either with us or against us. more sort of axis of evil talk. i spoke the to the national security council, and they're putting a lot of stock into venezuela's attach they has now thrown his support away from maduro. they're saying, you know, the possibility of armed conflict, as mick mulvaney said earlier, is alive and well. this thing could go either way -- john: 15 seconds. >> well, i mean, we don't want to see american intervention, but i'm a little put off by russia telling us, given their experience with ukra...

In constant communication with the secretary of state, constant communication with the other parts of the federal government to find out what's going on on the ground down there, making sure our people and our property is safe down there and also to make sure that we can do everything we can to encourage the maduro government -- which we consider to be illegitimate -- to leave and to back the new national assembly leadership that declared this week. so it's a very serious situation. the president takes it very seriously. and i think it's fair to say that no options are off the table. john: we'...

Adapt. partly by increase in the readiness of forces, partly stepping up our fight against terrorism, we are doing that in iraq, but also by investing more. and you have to remember that the increase in defense spending by european nato allies comes after years of decline. so before they were cutting billions, now they're actually adding billions. john: so you're not concerned that he's helping putin splinter nato like so many of his critics are? >> what i see is actually nato is united because we are able to adapt, to deliver. north america and europe are doing more together now than before. ...