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Invoked the executive privilege doctrine and that his attorney advised him not to go to congress and not to answer any questions in congress. that concept is now going to be tested in an appellate court. this judge gave him the opportunity to do that. to that point, paul, bannon s attorneys earlier this week argued exactly that, they asked in a sentencing memo should a person who spent a lifetime listening to experts as a naval officer, investment banker, presidential adviser be jailed on relying on the advice of his lawyers. this particular judge said the answer to that question is yes but an appeal could further reveal whether or not he will actually end up serving time. i did also want to ask you, paul, about this idea that bannon s lawyers made the case to the judge today that he doesn t need to be deterred, that there is no sort of need to penalize him, but bannon outside of the courthouse seemed to be ....
that has been the significance of this bannon trial all along. what it means for other people who might want to stiff arm the congressional subpoena process. paul callan, thank you so much for that breakdown. here to help us break the rest of all of it down is cnn s kasie hunt, jeff zeleny and francesca chambers of usa today. classic steve bannon outside of that courthouse today. he is clearly really eager to come out of this a martyr. he s certainly trying to and i think that that that s what his audience is looking for from him because i think one of the interesting things about bannon as a figure in all of this is that he really had lost the support of anyone in establishment washington no matter what party they were a part of. there were republicans on the hill, trump supporters on the hill, who were very frustrated with how he dealt with the intelligence committee, for example, and that kind of went all the way through, you know, up to how the trump the former president ha ....
Trial piece and kind of how he was involved in this case. so i don t know if it s going to provide any other lessons for others on the committee for that reason, but certainly bannon is going to try to use it to increase his own notoriety. i want to remind folks about why bannon was such a crucial witness for the january 6th committee. it s because he was in the lead up to january 6, basically previewing what trump was going to do i m sorry, i should say in the lead up to the election, previewing what trump was going to do after the election and also previewing what was going to happen on january 6. take a listen to what we heard from the committee in the last few weeks. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it s not going to happen like you think it s going to happen, okay? it s going to be quite extraordinarily different and all i can say is strap in. the war room a posse, you have made this happen and tomo ....
we re going to take you straight outside of the courthouse where cnn s sara murray has been covering all of the developments inside. sara, the judge seemed pretty dismissive of bannon s efforts to defy the subpoena, but ultimately bannon got jail time, which is had more or less what the government wanted. reporter: that s right, i mean, the sentence is a little bit less than what the government was asking for. they wanted him to have six months behind bars, a $200,000 fine. the judge settled on four months behind bars and a $6,500 fine. bannon didn t want any jail time at all, he wanted probation. the judge made pretty clear today that was not going to happen, that there was going to be some period of incarceration, but, you know, in a big win for ban the judge said all of this is going to be delayed pending his a deal. so if bannon is successful in his appeal, if he s able to overturn his conviction, of course, he would not face any time behind bars. if he is not successful he s l ....
Did hand down jail time but not as much as the government wanted and not as much as he could have gotten, up to a year in jail, and then the financial part of this was pretty small as well. what do you make of how the judge came down on those fronts? it looks to me, abby, like a compromised sentence. he threw a little bit to both sides. that would have been a staggeringly high fine, the $200,000 fine the department of justice requested and of course they wanted six months in prison. the judge settled on four months. but the judge also leaned in bannon s favor in another area by saying i m going to give you an opportunity to appeal this case and you will not have to go to jail during that time. he granted a stay. and there are interesting issues that are raised here, one is it s called the defense of counsel advice. bannon s contention has always been that ex-president trump ....