you would think the soviets in 1960 would be wanting to display all of their biggest missiles, right, all of their finest weaponry as a show of force against the dreaded united states. it was an incredibly intense time for u.s./soviet relations. but there was this moment back in 1960 when the president of the united states at the time, dwight eisenhower, and the leader of the soviet union at the time, nikita khrushchev, they did in 1960, did for a while seem like they were trying to thaw relations between our two countries. and to that end, those two leaders had planned to meet in paris for a one-on-one superpower summit in 1960. a meeting to talk face to face, man to man, about relations between our two countries. these two cold war enemies. that meeting was supposed to take place two weeks after that parade. that summit meeting in paris never happened. the reason it never happened is because on the same day as this peace-themed may day parade in moscow, on may 1st, 1960, an american u2 spy plane on a reconnaissance mission was shot down over the soviet union. an american plane went down in russia. the pilot, a 30-year-old american, named gary powers, he was captured alive by the soviet union. captured alive. in moscow, nikita khruschev, gary powers of the downed american reconnaissance plane was alive, and russia seized spy photographs 14 miles inside the soviet borders. the plane was brought down on may day. mr. k. was quick to play on it for propaganda advantage. the story of the most sensational intelligence operations yet revealed. america admits extensive flights over russia by unarmed planes during the last five years. state department spokesman lincoln white used the reasons for the flight. given the state of the world today, intelligence collection activities are practiced by all countries, and post-war history certainly reveals that the soviet union has not been lagging behind in this field. soviet union has not been lagging behind in this field. that s what the united states said officially. right? but there was no denying that this was a huge deal. for the world to find out not just the cia was spying on the soviet union, but for the world to find out about it in this incredibly shocking way, shooting down of his supposedly secret american spy plane, with the capture of the american pilot alive, two weeks later, the plans for that soviet/american summit in paris, those plans collapsed completely. we all know what happened between the soviet union and the united states over the next few years. soviet union proudly displayed the captured american u2 spy plane for them to see. khruschev made sure the remnants of the planes, photographed with the crashed plane parts. they played this up to maximum effect. part of what made this story so sensational is the u2 spy plane was supposed to be virtually undetectable by radar. it was supposed to fly at such a high altitude, roughly 70,000 feet, that they thought radar wouldn t be able to pick it up and nobody would know it was there. that u2 spy plane was shot down in the soviet union then moscow decided to put that american pilot, gary powers, on trial. gary powers in his trial was convicted in that soviet court. he got a ten-year sentence. they sentenced him to three years in prison then seven additional years at hard labor. gary powers did not end up serving all that time. ultimately it was president kennedy who got him release in a prisoner exchange in 1962, but that incident was hugely embarrassing for the united states, and hugely upsetting to our very tenuous relations with the soviet union. i mean, that was never supposed to have happened given the type of aircraft involved and for that american pilot to have ended up a soviet prisoner, it was just almost unthinkable. that was 1960. in 1995, a u.s. air force pilot named scott o grady, he was flying a much smaller plane. he was flying an f-16 fighter jet over bosnia. the united states was part of an international coalition that had decided to intervene against the serbs in the war that was being fought in bosnia. in june 1995, pilot scott o grady s f-16, it was shot down in hostile territory in bosnia. mr. o grady disappeared for six days until u.s. marines went in on the ground in a rescue mission. 2:08 local time this morning, the mission to rescue begins. nato aircraft over bosnia get a flash morse code from o grady. 12 minutes later, o grady speaks into his high-tech hand held radio. his voice instantly is recognized by a buddy from his squadron in an f-16 overhead. the radio pinpointing his position. positive identification. marines rescue specialists prepare for action. they know they must fly over areas bristling with serb anti-aircraft weapons. daylight makes them easy targets. still at 5:50, two marine cobra gunships get the order to go and are launched. next, two assault choppers loaded with the highly trained marines. they have jump sets and a-10s as backup. planes jam serb radar and move in fast. o grady popping a yellow smoke grenade. choppers landing. marines forming a security line. two minutes on the ground. the marines secured the area and captain o grady came running out of the treeline, jumped on the second 53, and they lifted off. almost six days in the woods, hiding in day, moving only at night, surviving on bugs, grass, and rainwater. just 80 miles now back, they re flying low, but halfway there, a missile nearly hits them. they take rifle fire, too, and they shoot back. miraculously, there were no casualties during that high-risk mission to save fighter pilot scott o grady after he was shot down in what was supposed to been an air-only u.s. military mission over bosnia, when that resulted in him hiding out in the woods for six days hoping he was rescued before he was found by the enemy. never supposed to be any boots on the ground in bosnia in terms of u.s. forces. air wars have a way of not always just staying in the air. sometimes stuff happens. today we learned that president obama has authorized what the white house is calling surveillance flights over the war-torn nation of syria. unnamed defense department officials telling reporters today that some of those surveillance flights would be unmanned aircraft, drones, but some of them would be manned. u2 spy planes. the same model of plane flown by gary powers over the soviet union. u2s is what they will use or may already be using over syria right now. throughout the three year brutal syria civilian war, one thing to know about syria, they have a strong air defense system. they have a sophisticated national defense system to shoot down what they see as enemy aircraft. and syria, of course, did not develop that system because of the civil war that they re in. they ve had this system in place for a long time. part of making themselves a target by israel or any other middle eastern government that might decide they want a piece of the assad regime. the assad regime has not been cheap when it comes to investing in the weapon systems. they have a rock solid ally in russia. russia has been more than happy to sell syria any weapons it wants and prop them up on complex systems like air defense. and that relatively sophisticated air defense system in syria is one of the reasons those american special forces, that team of marines and delta force commandos that carried out that attempted secret rescue mission last month to save american hostages held by isis in syria, their awareness of syrian air defense systems is apparently why that special ops raid used the special secret modified kind of awkwardly shaped radar evading blackhawk helicopters that were also used in the 2011 mission to find and kill osama bin laden inside pakistan. now, of course, in syria, you have not just the danger posed by the official government still clinging to power in that country, and their air defense systems, you also have the danger of various rebel groups fighting in syria, including, of course, isis, which was the target of that raid back in july which ultimately did not find the hostages including american journalist jim foley who was later killed. one sure way to know you re in chicken hawk territory when it comes to debating these things is when you hear politicians, or talking heads, talk about air strikes against some enemy or some other country. as if air strikes are some kind of magic. right? they re a risk-free military solution. easy peezy. you go in safely, you drop a couple of bombs, you re out. no american boots on the ground. no american lives at risk. you hear people talk about air strikes like that all the time. like they re a free play somehow. very recent history tells us that that is not the case. and right now you have large swaths of syria controlled by forces that are hostile to the united states. there s isis, of course. there s also the government in syria who has said plainly that they must approve any u.s. military action in that country, and if the u.s. takes action outside of what they approve, that would be seen as an act of aggression. the united states says for its part, they is have no intention of ever coordinating anything with the assad regime. and in that kind of environment, the united states military is not going to get any help on the ground in support of air strikes if it turns out they need it. and if the effectiveness of air strikes is to some extent contingent on-the-ground intelligence and intelligence and supportive elements to maintain that air operation or to respond if anything, god forbid, goes wrong, then if we start air strikes in syria, we are heading into a very difficult and inarguably dangerous new u.s. military operation in a country where we previously have not been involved. should the united states be engaged in an aerial campaign against this militant group, isis, inside syria? as a country, we re going to have to make a decision about that one way or the other. and even if you are very clear as to where you stand on that question, yes or no, you d admit that it s a hard enough question, right, that if our government really is seriously considering it, and these surveillance flights make it seem like they really are seriously considering it, it s a hard enough question that it deserves a real debate. not one just on tv. not one just in the op-ped pages. but a real argument. a real debate like our founders envisioned. a debate followed by a binding decision on whether or not we do it. a decision made publicly for which our politicians will be known and accountable for how they vote. that s the way it s designed in the constitution. and it s designed that way on purpose. and i know congress is enjoying taking more than a month off right now, but with each passing day, the news from syria, and the news involving the terrorist group isis seems to get more and more horrifying and the white house starts to talk about more and more operations targeting isis including those that they say will not respect geographic boundaries. today, part of the terrible news was learning that a 33-year-old american man was apparently killed in syria while fighting with isis. his family in san diego confirms today that the state department has told them that 33-year-old american douglas mccain was killed last weekend in syria apparently while he was fighting with isis. we ve also learned today that one of the american hostages being held by isis in syria is apparently an american woman. she s 26 years old. she s been held for just over a year now. she was taken hostage in august of last year. she was apparently in syria on some sort of humanitarian mission at the time that she was captured. her family does not want her name reported in the media, but nbc news has also learned that isis is demanding a more than $6 million ransom in order to free her. as a matter of policy, the united states does not pay ransom for hostages. ransom of any size. this group, isis, is continuing to do everything it can to try to provoke a military reaction from the united states. and a lot of people in this country will argue that maybe we should have one. maybe the threats and provocations where isis warrant putting american military personnel back into a new part of the middle east in harm s way. but a lot of americans will not agree with that contention. and honestly, neither is a wrong or unpatriotic decision at this point. it s an argument that deserves a really vigorous debate. every side of that question deserves to be heard and heard again and heard thoroughly and argued well and rebutted well. because even though they re only talking about air strikes, you know what, there s no such thing as only air strikes. air strikes really do put american military personnel in harm s way. they are not magic. they constitute a difficult decision to deploy american troops. a decision that our elected representatives in the u.s. congress constitutionally are supposed to make. it s their call. it was almost exactly one year ago when president obama said he had decided as commander in chief that he wanted the u.s. military to mount air strikes in syria. a year ago he said that. but not talking about mounting them against isis but against the assad regime, itself, because they used chemical weapons. he walked into the rose garden and said he wanted air strikes in syria, but he also said the congress should take a vote on whether to authorize those strikes. our military has positioned assets in the region. the chairman of the joint chiefs has informed me that we are prepared to strike whenever we choose. i m prepared to give that order. but having made my decision as commander in chief based on what i am convinced is our national security interests, i m also mindful that i m the president of the world s oldest constitutional democracy. i ve long believed that our power is rooted not just in our military might, but in our example as a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. that s why i ve made a second decision. i will seek authorization for the use of force from the american people s representatives in congress. that was august 31st, last year, almost exactly a year ago. president obama asking congress to approve military strikes in syria. congress at the time was hinting that they would say no, but they never actually said anything. they just sort of hinted to the media that they would say no and then they never did anything. ultimately, the administration embarked instead of air strikes on a successful international mission to get rid of all the chemical weapons in syria. that went forward instead of air strikes, but as to that request to congress to authorize air strikes, it has been almost exactly a year and congress has still not gone on the record about the president s request. and now one year later, the white house is openly mulling air strikes again, this time on different targets inside syria, going so far as to start surveillance flights already as of today and now members of congress are apparently paying attention to what is happening from syria from wherever they re on vacation. and if you care to listen to them while they re on vacation and they choose to speak instead of act, the sounds they re pointlessly making seem to indicate, particularly from republican side of the aisle, that they think president obama definitely should have done something in syria by now. but they also apparently think that he should have just done it without asking them. they d rather not make the decision, themselves. president obama has to admit to himself if no one else, that what he s doing is not working. we ve talked about iraq, but there s no way you can solve the problem in iraq without hitting them in syria. we need to hit them in syria. we need to help the free syrian army mobilize. when it comes to ground troops, if our military commanders tell us that we need ground forces to defeat isil, which is a threat to the united states, so be it. we have got to win and stop these guys. we need to finish them off because they we will either fight them here or we will fight them there. that in my mind is basically the choice. so it sounds to me like you anticipate at some point combat boots on the ground? i don t know i don t know the answer to that, but you certainly don t take that off the table. we need to do everything we can to repel isis. i don t think we have the luxury of putting our heads in the sand and saying, well, it s over there and we re not going to do it. there s no boundary between syria and iraq. one of the key decisions the president is going to have to make is air power in syria. one of the decisions the president is going to have to make? who has to make this decision? i mean, these are all, you know, degrees of reasonable opinion. shared on tv by members of congress recently. but try to get them to put their votes where their mouths are, and nothing. we re still waiting to hear from congress about what president obama proposed a year ago. on the same day that he announced the house republicans lawsuit against president obama for taking way too many actions on his own. you might remember house speaker john boehner was asked in that same press conference if he had a role. if john boehner had a role in deciding what kind of action the united states should take in iraq. here s how john boehner answered at the time. you opened up with iraq. i m curious if you have any suggestions for what the president should do there. well, what he should do is have an overarching strategy to deal with the growing threat of terrorism. don t you feel, though, that you have some responsibility here, to say, here s what i think that we should do? here s what the president should be doing, to be giving counsel at that point? i called for more increased u.s. activity a year ago. in january, when the isis forces came across the iraq border and began to gather territory, i called on the administration to act. and it s not my job to outline for the president what tools he should use or not use. and when he says, what tools he should use or not use, what he means is whether or not the president should use military force. john boehner thinks that is not his job, it s not congress job, it s the president s job somehow. that was at the same time that he was suing the president for doing too much without congress. today house speaker john boehner released this video about what he thinks his job really is. this sits in my office on my coffee table because this is me. that s what i do all day. they wind me up about every 15 minutes. no, no, i got to go to work. i got to go to work. the people we elect to represent us in congress to have a vigorous debate about deploying u.s. military personnel to an incredibly dangerous country, to carry out an incredibly dangerous mission, where they would be risking their lives and where american citizens and interests are at stake. monkey thing, admittedly, is awesome, but there s this other job they re supposed to be doing. dsl myth #1. it can help your business save money. false. the truth is when you compare our fastest internet to the fastest dsl from the phone company, comcast business gives you more for your money. why pay more for less? call today for a low price on speeds up to 150mbps. and find out more about our two-year price guarantee. comcast business. built for business. this sits in my office on my coffee table because this is me. [ laughter ] that s what i do all day. they wind me up about every 15 minutes. no, no, i got to go to work. my staff gave it to me. every 15, 30 minutes, they come in and wind me up and i do my thing. this is what i do all day. the video was put out by speaker of the house john boehner today. there s no way around it, toy monkey thing is very, very cute. also, there s no way around it, making videos about toy monkeys clanging cymbals together really does make up the sum total of what congress is doing right now. they re in the middle of a five-week vacation, and as such, what they re not doing emphatically is making any sort of decision about making any sort of decision about maybe possibly having a debate about making a decision to maybe talk about starting to take a vote someday about what is starting to feel like a new u.s. war effort with troops in harm s way and everything. in a new country in the middle east. this is what they do all day. wind him up, clang cymbals together, they fall off the table. wind them up again. joining us now is one u.s. senator who has repeatedly called for congress to debate and vote on potential u.s. military action in iraq and syria. he chairs the senate foreign relations subcommittee that is responsible for policy in that part of the world. virginia senator tim kaine, thank you for being with us. you bet, rachel, good to be with you. it was a year ago to today that president obama said he wanted to mount u.s. air strikes in syria because of chemical weapons. he said he wanted to do that but congress should authorize it. congress never acted on that one way or the other. do you think congress will act now on this new proposal for air strikes in syria? rachel, first i hope desperately that the president brings this to congress. i know the team is weighing whether to bring it to congress or not. actually let me walk through what happened last year. what happened last year shows if you do it the way the constitutional framers intended, good things happen. the president had to come to congress, define the mission. we had to use air strikes in syria to deter the use of chemical weapons. we voted 10-8 to use military force for that limited purpose. as soon as we did, russia and syria changed their calculation, came to the table, said hold on a second, don t start military action, we will give up our entire chemical weapons stockpile. so the president by announcing the goal, coming to congress, the foreign relations committee acting on the president s request, when it was unclear the rest of congress would go along, led to achievement of what the president s objective was, which was the complete obstruction of the chemical weapons stockpile in syria which is very important. my argument is the president did it right last year, and by doing it right, he got the objective that he defined to congress which was taking the chemical weapons stockpile out of the equation. he needs to come to congress again with respect to the threat that isis poses and he needs to explain it and crisply define what a military mission would be, then as you indicate, let congress debate it and vote it up or down. that s what the framers of the constitution intended. it s the right thing to do legally. it s the right thing to do morally because if you re going to put servicemen and women in harm s way, you ought to try to get a political consensus first that the mission is worth it, and it s the most likely way for things to work out well after that kind of considered debate. even if we put aside the question of whether or not air strikes should be expanded into syria, it s been about 2 1/2 weeks since the president notified congress that he would start using air strikes against isis in iraq. so under the war powers resolution, after 60 days, legally would that action need to stop if congress doesn t vote to authorize that action inside iraq? or is the president okay with continuing to do that on his own even if congress doesn t say anything about it? rachel, i don t think the president can. i think there s only one circumstance where the president can really act unilaterally before congress, and that s when american lives are imminently threatened, whether it be an embassy or american troops. when american lives are threatened, the president as commander in chief has the ability to act first then hopefully get congressional approval later. when there s no imminent threat to american life, the framers of the constitution were very, very clear. james madison of virginia, okay, i m biased about him, but they were very clear we put the decisions of declaration of war in the hands of congress, the people s elected representatives, and what that forces is the president to be disciplined, come explain a mission, to have that debate which educates the american public, then to make a decision knowing that once it s made, if there s a decision made to go forward, you ve got a political consensus and you re not asking servicemen and women to risk their lives with the political class not having done the work to describe whether the mission is worth it or not. and so, i think the president we are in a position where those 60 days really start to run right when we get back. for the next two weeks, while congress we re not just vacating. we re also doing all kinds of work all around our states. the president should take the next two weeks to define what this military mission is, because it s clear by word and action that the president, the head of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of defense, thinks we need to engage militarily to stop the momentum of isil, but they ought to describe what the military mission is and what we would hope to achieve so we can educate the american public and let the people s representatives cast a vote of approval or disapproval as the framers intended. senator tim kaine of virginia. you ve been outspoken on this for a long time. i appreciate you walking us through your thoughts on this. absolutely. thank you, sir. i have to say, this is one of those things where i ve spoken with people in washington, people in the administration who say when they talk to members of congress about this, they feel like most members of congress absolutely don t want to be asked. they don t want to handle this hot potato. that implicitly gives the administration the ability to do this without them for as long as they can. your member of congress at home, if they read the constitution the way that senator kaine discuss, frankly the way that i do, your member of congress at home ought to be clambering to get this authorization vote happening. this shouldn t be the white house deciding whether or not they re putting it to congress. congress ought to be taking this responsibility and run with it, call themselves back from vacation to deal with this right now. if they really care about this, this is congress imperative. no waiting on the white house on this. congress ought to do it. in my opinion. we ll be right back. okay. true or false? 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victor white s parents tell nbc news when they arrived at the police station, they did not know the circumstances of their son s death. victor white s father is a baptist minister. he tells nbc when he was finally led into the morgue, he performed last rights on his seen was not allowed to view his son s body below the chin. local headlines in louisiana that week read man kills himself in back seat of iberia parish deputy s car. state police investigate in-custody death of iberia parish man. two weeks ago the iberia parish coroner s office met with white s family and told them the initial conclusion by police was correct, that it was a self-inflicted wound, in fact it was suicide by a .25 caliber weapon according to the coroner which is important because it s not the .45 caliber weapons that are typically issued to these officers. in a press release yesterday, the coroner said this. the manner of death is suicide. the coroner says his office has a policy of not releasing details on deaths by suicide to the public so there s been no public release from his office of that full autopsy, but that full report has now been obtained exclusively by nbcnews.com s investigative unit. reporter hannah rappleye got that report by pictures taken by victor white s family. they photographed it page by page and sent her these photos. and it s a complete report. nbc news can post it. the takeaway, some of this report directly contradicts what the louisiana state police said back in march. the autopsy states that although the police said victor white was shot in the back, while his hands were cuffed behind his back, the autopsy says he was actually not shot in the back. he was shot in the chest. while his hands were cuffed behind his back. the autopsy says the bullet entered his right lateral chest and exited under his left armpit. think about that for a second. he s handcuffed with his hands behind his back and somehow he obtains a gun in the back seat of that squad car even though he s been frisked twice. and then somehow with the gun, he s able to shoot himself while handcuffs from behind in the chest. in his press release, the coroner offered an explanation, he said it was possible for victor white to pull that off because of his physical build. due to his body habitus, he would have been able to manipulate the weapon to point where the contact entrance wound is found. as is reported today for nbcnews.com, victor white s family says they re not convinced. his father tells nbc news, you can t make me understand how my son took his left hand when he was handcuffed behind the back and shot himself. i don t believe a thing they re saying at this point. the family is awaiting a final report from the louisiana state police investigation which is separate from the coroner s investigation, but they say, the only thing we want back is our son. joining us now is hannah rappleye, nbc news investigative reporter who s been covering this story since the shooting and obtained exclusive access to the full coroner s report. congratulations on this scoop, hannah rappleye, thanks for being with us. thanks for having me. first let me just ask you, i am new to this story because of your reporting. did i get anything wrong in describing it there? no, you pretty much told the whole story, and when it first happened very few outlets covered it. as you noted, there were a few blotter-like items in the local press. i started reporting it the same month, but since there were so few documents available, i had to spend the last six months, now, trying to get as many documents as possible and speak to as many people that knew him as possible. can you explain the term the coroner is using her and what that argument means? body habitus. the idea that victor white s body habitus somehow enabled him to fire a bullet into his chest while his hands were cuffed behind his back? what the coroner s perspective, what does that mean? i m not quite sure because i was never able to get an interview with the coroner s office. he does say in the report and the press release that based on all the information that the investigators and pathologist, the forensic pathologist gathered, that he deemed the death of victor white a suicide. one thing that particularly struck me about the report was that the coroner noted that victor white had lacerations on the left side of his face. early on in my reporting, the iberia parish police department told me that he had not been involved in an altercation with police that night. and the friend that i interviewed that was with him the night that he was stopped also said that victor didn t have marks on his face. that seemed to imply to me that maybe there was some type of altercation, but it s not clear. the other thing that really was important in that report was that the coroner noted that investigators told him that victor white had somehow said something along the lines of, i m gone, before officers heard the gunshot. which indicated that it was a self-inflicted wound, that it was suicide to him. if the police and now the coroner contend that it was a self-inflicted wound, that he, himself, fired a gun into himself to end his life, why is it, or do we have any understanding, in fact, that the coroner didn t actually test his hands for gunshot residue? according to the documents that i received, his hands were not tested for gunshot residue. wow. there was residue in the wound, itself. and when i went back to the coroner s office to confirm whether i misread or, you know, missed something, they referred me to the state police and the state police were unable to confirm whether his hands were or were not tested for residue. hannah rappleye, investigative reporter for nbc news, who turned up previously unknown information about this case which is now getting, we should admit it, national attention of a kind it probably would not have before, both because of this new information and because of the ferguson, missouri, upset over michael brown s death. i want to thank you for walking us through this, hannah. thank you. absolutely. thank you. we ve got links to all that detail in those reports at maddowblog.com tonight. they say his magic erasers tackle so many messes, that mr. clean once wrote a book about them. not only do they clean everyday dirt, they clean a lot of unexpected stuff too. like scuffed up shoes, tough stuck-on sticker gunk, and lots more. in fact, his book got so full. he made a website instead. share your magic eraser tips at mycleanbook.com programming note, in the 11:00 p.m. hour tonight, i will be on the late show with david letterman. different shirt, jacket and also glasses. keep this in mind, you re talking to a dumb guy. so i m going to ask you dumb guy questions. what happened to al qaeda and why does isis seem to hate us more than al qaeda? and why does al qaeda hate us in the first place? okay. al qaeda s still there. they hate us as much as ever, but they also hate isis. they hate isis? they hate isis. they think that the isis is too extreme. when that message is coming from al qaeda, it s time to listen. i ll be on the david letterman show tonight. stay with us. debunktion junction, what s my function? this is a special edition of debunktion junction tonight, to honor the fact that one of the biggest politics stories in the country is a story about which there is a lot of bunk in circulation. earlier this month, governor rick perry was indicted on two felony counts of basically abuse of power after a texas county district attorney was convicted of drunk driving, he demanded that she resign. he said he would veto state funds that went to her office if she did not resign. he said he would veto funding for the unit in her office that investigates public corruption. a unit that texas republicans have long hated and have tried many times to defund. well, the d.a. did apologize after her arrest, said she would not run for re-election but refused to resign. and rick perry has contended since he was indicted for that, that the reason he pushed for the district attorney to resign is because she lost the public s confidence with that drunk driving scandal. her conviction ruined her reputation in office. she lost the public trust, and therefore she had to go. kind of a reasonable contention, right? rick perry has standards. any district attorney in texas who gets busted for dui, unfit for office. if you re a texas d.a. and get busted for drunk driving, governor rick perry is going to demand that you resign is. that true or false? false. the dallas morning news reports at least two other examples, when a county district attorney was busted for dui and rick perry didn t give a hoot. didn t say a word. in 2003, it was the d.a. from swisher county, texas, guilty of aggravated dwi, sentenced to jail, not a word from the governor. in 2009, the d.a. from kaufman county, texas was convicted on dui charge after driving the wrong way and hitting another car and it was a second offense. again, no word from rick perry. but, those two guys were republicans, and the democrat who did say had to resign because of her dwi, she also did head up the office that investigates public corruption. so her dwi is a reason to force her out of office. but the other guys, nah. next stop, true or false. back in may, the dallas morning news asked rick perry what he did, what his personal involvement was in this plan to force the d.a. out of office and replace her. asked if he had made any phone calls about the quit or lose funding deal, governor perry said no. asked if he initiated any deal, the governor said no. before the elevator arrived and he left. but before the elevator arrived, rick perry says he made no phone calls associated with this plan to force that democratic d.a. out of office. is that true or false? [ buzzer ] false. a claim by this woman, an austin defense attorney, who has now said that actually in the days after rosemary lundberg s arrest, governor rick perry personally obtained her cell phone number and called her up himself one on one to he will her that he intended to veto money unless rosemary lundberg resigned. he then asked this woman if she wanted rosemary s job, if he succeeded in his plan to get her to quit. i think i told him of course, it would be an amazing opportunity and i thanked him for considering me. of course, the offer became moot once she made it clear that she would not resign. but it shows that rick perry himself personally got on the phone one on one to discuss these plans to oust rosemary lundberg from office, contrary to what he s been telling the press about how he was never personally involved. rick perry is already running for president in 2016. rick perry is, in his own mind, a top tier commander for president in 2016. this is one of the biggest politic stories in the country. he s had a multiple felony indictment. anybody else under felony indictment run for president? but the basic details of this case have been misconstrued in the national press over and over. i think we re going the keep debunking it night after night. now time for the last word wit stops. first look is up next. good wednesday morning. right now on first look americans recruited for isis, but president obama vows to stamp out this terror group. as commander in chief, the security of the american people is my highest priority, and that s why with the brutal terrorist group isil advancing in iraq, i have authorized targeted strikes to protect our diplomats and military advisers who are there. storms packing 60-mile-per-hour winds hitting the midwest and flooding causing some serious damage as well. plus, the details behind a terrible gun range accident. the fight for personal space when sitting in coach. and even superman and lois lane help als raise almost $90 million. good morning to you. th
our security is quite clear. it is a poisonous ideology of islamic extremism. i was wrong. he s as clear as obama s schedule during golf season. compare and contrast cameron to this. before getting to the strategy, is the united states presently at war with isis, yes or no? well, no, chris. battle. we re not at war with a group that s at war with us. is it because we re at war with other stuff like coal, fracking or obesity. right now the white house is giving you free advice on packing your kid s school lunch. i can make a sandwich but can t make a bomber. you are at war, mr. president with so many other things, climate, carbs, caddies. this indecision makes hamlet look resolute. the fallout while isis explodes we ground our planes and delay our nukes. the percentage of the economy devoted to defense is at pre-9/11 levels. we re turning from lion to a lamb. defense suffers. obama s best strategy is to beat holiday traffic for martha s vineyard because as isis strategy wreaks because his priorities wreak, confronting radical islam was never on his to-do list. if only they were republicans. what if we hypnotized the president thinking isis was the tea party he would nuclear the whole lot of them. bob, gratuitous golf jokes in there, i admit it. what did you make of david cameron s strong words in comparison to president obama s. that s the set up here. i don t know where to begin. strong guy. listen, cameron, i like cameron because he was the first world leader to come out when the muslims were killing the christians. you did say that. look as a british guy who killed the journalist, so i think cameron feels much more exposed. obama and i ll say this once and you can argue all you want. if you look at the context what he said on the syria side of things we re working on a strategy, we don t have a strategy. it s the wrong choice of words. but nonetheless the syrian issue hasn t been resolved. it will be. they will bomb next week. when he said that i think i would have been clearer about that than he was. that s the cause of the problem. that and the five and you guys jumped on it. when president obama saw david cameron speak did he shrink a little bit and go all right that s what i should have done or that s a little bit much. he was doing what i was doing crying for his mom. when you hear david cameron giving the speech that president obama should have given yesterday that s tough to take. i think listening, watching the speech he sees the juxtaposit n juxtaposition, david cameron gets it. we haven t arrived at that conclusion yet. however, keep in mind that british panic. they must have some serious credible intelligence there s an imminent and severe threat they have to address and if he s right then what s going to happen? obama will blame it on a video? he ll have another benghazi on his hands. upper lip is always stiff. josh earnest said we re not at war. i guess, i mean literally he s right. but we are at war aren t we? i missed the part where shooting at each other is not a war. i suppose chicago is a peace rally in black on black crime. look, josh earnest is the white house liar in chief. that s pretty much what i call him. he goes out. he pushes out whatever he wants to push the facts be damned. cameron didn t blame bush. he clearly said this didn t start in iraq. this is an ideology that s been around for 1,000 years. this is it s third iteration. by the way i won t beat greg gutfeld at a joke but obama talks mean, talks big and carries a putter and i ll leave it at that. i know, bob. that s our limit for today. one more golf joke. no more golf jokes. jena, wouldn t americans prefer a stress free foreign policy over a stress free packed lunch. ultimately what will happen this stuff will wind up on our door step. cameron was saying we have to deal with this now. we have to call terrorism what is it. otherwise this winds up on our door step. for me it was just it illustrated the crisis of leadership we have. we have a president that won t face what s happening and face this can be an enormous consequence for this country, could be very dangerous. unless he starts taking action. wait a second. before he starts taking action we ve been dropping bombs over there he s declaring he doesn t have a strategy. he said syria. designee didn t have a strategy in syria. what does that say tomb. that was a bad choice of works. but they haven t concluded a strategy. he disclosed that to all of your enemies you haven t concluded a strategy. there s dangerous people that listen to that talk. leaders of isis that are well funded. this ideology goes back 1,000 years and they also dump the saudi kingdom. now the saudis are deciding whether they want to fight these guys. i think the saudis will come in on the side of us. you talk about action. here s what britain and cameron is doing. they are going to rescind the passports. you have 3,000 terrorists fighting for isis that you need to keep out of europe. here s why it s important. you get to europe you can come to america. that s the problem. so the 300 or so americans and by the way let s keep killing the american terrorists who go over there. find the somalis that are missing, kill them all. then the ones that come through europe stop them there. if they get that passport i think they got them. 3,000 that have them go to great britain and they turn around and fly here. all the bad guys are in one place at one time. why hesitate. one big fat roach motel. knock it out. when you have this kind of opportunity you can t hesitate. they are not hesitating. believe me, bob, when i sit here and i tell you i want our president to win. i want him to make decisive actions against isis and not be political naive when it comes to this situation or wait too long to get polls or to do wind checking to see what s going to happen. we are dropping tens of thousands of bombs a day. the spokesman for the free syrian army said it best. he said dropping bombs and air strikes against isis is like tickling them. it s not that s what they said in the balkans. it s not enough. here s the problem. you re going to have to take out mosul with house to house fighting. send in our special forces to train the pashmir to get them to fight. we need contractors, intelligence, we decimated our human intelligence over there. they are finally rebuilding it. you won t do this with air strikes. you need to take out the command structure. how about the millions of dollars we spent to train the iraqi army. they ran. hang on. we didn t build an officer corps. we didn t build what was needed to sustain an army. you got top level generals and foot soldiers. you don t have a structure. the army put down their guns and ran away when we got there. when we first invaded. we disbanded the army. i don t think david knows what he s talking about. i want to ask jena, because this is part of the monolog idea. we re not rebuilding our military we re unbuilding it. is it time to reassess and turn this thing around? it s been time for a long time but this president is not going to do that. that s not his priority. he s too worried about what kids are eating and climate change, talk about far left causes to appeal to his base. he s got one foot out the door in terms of this presidency and he s thinking what his legacy will be to the far left. of course we re downgrading the military. the united states should be leading. you have david cameron coming out and making a statement that the american president the leader of the free world should be making. should be firm on terrorism. firm on a strong military. it s humiliating. he doesn t want to get involved. you bomb a bunch of world war ii ships. we spent more money on the military than every other country combined. which is important. we have more to do. we cut the budget for the destroyers. i don t care if you ve been on one they are useless. you going to fight isis in water. there s no water. how you going to fight them? what is your platform when you don t have a base in iraq. the platform has a carrier, ships. that s correct. someone explain this to me. somebody send in the memo. you need water to have a ship. i would go back. one ship that doesn t need wear and it s friendship. oh, that s fuzzy and warm. i m fuzzy and warm thanks to the medication. ft. hood shooter wants to join isis. why don t we let him over. fly him over and parachute him in. and then kill him. he could be the inaugural member of the new terror five passport program. let him go. i don t know, eric holder will give him a curfew or work furlough. this is the exact problem. this is someone who was here and committed acts of terror against the united states. workplace violence. that s the problem. somebody throw the semantics flag down. i stepped out of line. let s call it what is it. nobody is here. they are already here. the air strikes take him and dump him out of the airplane. a lot of those hard cores have gone over there. whether you agree with bombing or not they are all there. they are never going to get a passport to get back any place. to that point which is important, i ll bring you in on this one jena, this is the problem with snowden in my view is if you have people with passports going back and forth, we compromised the programs that monitored these people. they know they are being monitored. so now the communication structure amongst these radicals has changed and we owe that to snowden and glenn greenwald. to an extent. to a huge extent. still, all these people are in one place and the key here is we re not doing anything about it. you can throw bombs in. if you want to scatter foreign policy with respect to your approaches it does nothing. before you have a foreign policy you need military success. we won the balkan war doing the same thing. you re dealing with terrorists. serbs weren t terrorists? that will get me in trouble with the serbs. the president is getting it from both the right and left after admitting he has no tragedy to defeat isis. bob, you ll love the next segment. we just indict. we re going in a different direction. we ll answer questions you have about us as long as you don t bring up that incident at arby s. facebook.com/thefivefnc. 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[ male announcer ] it s one of the most amazing things we build and it doesn t even fly. we build it in classrooms and exhibit halls, mentoring tomorrow s innovators. we build it raising roofs, preserving habitats and serving america s veterans. every day, thousands of boeing volunteers help make their communities the best they can be. building something better for all of us. in case you haven t heard yet president obama doesn t know what to do about isis and he let the whole world know that yesterday. we will continue to consult with congress and i do think that it will be important for congress to weigh in and our consultations with congress will continue to develop so that the american people are part of the debate. but i don t want to put the cart before the horse. we don t have a strategy yet. oops. now a lot of people are letting him know that it wasn t such a good idea. this guy is coming off a teleprompter. it s dangerous when he comes off a telefronter and did what he did today and tells our enemies we don t have a strategy. that s problem with this issue, the president hasn t been able to put forth a coherent strategy. this is an extraordinary admission coming from the leader of the world s most powerful nation. you know, as such, megan, it s embarrassing, also. and that was a little special something for bob beckel, because did you see that? your buddy. i did. i guess we don t have enough writers today. i know it s holiday time. we wrote the same segment twice. if you we re giving you a mulligan like the president wish he had. he was talking about sir why. i m done. why don t we side-by-side cameron and obama and look at how the world would see the both of them. i looked into that, 45 second sound on tape. side-by-side, what obama said yesterday, what cameron said. i want to be side-by-side with that woman he was with down on south africa. jena. people who were defending obama were saying well he doesn t want to lay all his cards out on the table. i m thinking to myself this is a guy who has been talking about shouting from the roof tops no boots on the ground when it comes to iraq. he lays his cards on the table. he doesn t know. there s massive miscommunication within the administration. he knows one person is saying one thing, another person is saying another. a year ago he was on record saying a strategy needed to be implemented. he wait ad whole year and did nothing. we had a pentagon official saying one thing and then hagel saying another thing and in 24 hours he s ignoring military advice. they have less territory today than they had a week ago. they have an airport which gives them leverage. they don t have a dam. they don t have the sandbox. they don t have the dam. they embedded themselves in the populations. let s not kid ourselves. they are the step child of hamas. they are using the same tactics. these guys are not going away and the blurred lines on the syrian border which is why we should be joining with israel and get rid of hamas and isis. this has happened before. twice in history. two previous ideological death cuts, nazism and communism. it took a while for people to decide this was evil. the reason why it took so long because of the fear of appearing uncool or mean. this is how i understand isis. that elliot rogers the loser who rampaged in santa barbara and he killed these people because he was a romantic reject. that s isis. isis is a movement of sexual losers. channelling their misery into violence. it is what they are. hence the allure of the virgin promise. jihad is cool when they think they will get something. there s an e-mail going around making the exact point. all the woman on next tuesday should take off their clothes. if a muslim guy sees a woman naked that s not his wife is supposed to commit suicide. if they kill me i ll convert. i have advice for women don t die virgin, there will be terrorists waiting four. i ll just throw that out there. i think the worry about president obama and i think it s that you publicly telegraphed weakness. years ago when he tried to appease certain members of the world that we were bad and he did that terribly. if he did that in public what did he do privately. what messages did he convey privately. remember the message he conveyed to the russians. about flexibility. who knows what our enemies were thinking based on what he suggested? coming up next the exact same segment. no just kidding. next chief white house correspondent ed henry, there he is. he ll join us. he has a lot of tough questions. nobody has had a tie like that since 1955. ask us the tough questions on facebook and we ll answer them ahead. 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[ back-up beeping, honking ] a truckload of discounts for your business now, that s progressive. > . that is a good question for president obama, because he doesn t have a strategy yet to defeat isis. he certainly told us he doesn t have a strategy when it comes down to or he has a strategy when it comes to raising money for his party. he s now in new york. good more traffic. off to rhode island to raise more money and more fundraisers. a lot of americans want answers. and our very own ed henry tried to get us some today. ed, how are you, first of all? let s go to ed. ed, you always like to be on tv. reporter: i thought you were going to play a clip. why when we can have the real thing. go ahead. reporter: i pressed josh earnest about it. the president is doing fundraising today, and remember last week he was playing golf right after the statement about james foley being beheaded. he took a lot of grief about that not just from republicans but democrats. i pressed josh earnest one day after saying you don t have a strategy to deal with isis why are you raising campaign money. he said the president is jug alligator lot of thing not national security. he s head of the democratic party. he has a big mid-term election. presidents in both parties raise gobs of money. he has a national security team he relies on. the optics might be something that blows up in the president s face. beyond the optics is anything coming out of the pentagon after this? typically we get a pentagon briefer. have they responded? reporter: one interesting thing that s emerging is one of the things the president said yesterday as much attention as the no strategy comment is that he said one of the delays, if you will, one of the reasons why he doesn t have a plan to present to the american people and congress for authorization he said is that the pentagon hasn t finished their work, he s still waiting on them to put these plans together. admiral john kirby did have a briefing today and said look the u.s. military is always ready. we re always putting together plans and when the commander-in-chief says go we ll be ready with plan. i don t want to overplay that but there seems there s a little bit of a rift don t forget who runs the pentagon, chuck hagel who a week ago said isis is a bigger threat than al qaeda pre-9/11. so is the president not on the same page with his cabinet. he insisted they are singing from the song sheet. it seems interesting the president blaming the military, the pentagon for not having a plan ready when folks over there said we ll be ready when he says go. we were taking that live today and waiting for you to couple because let s get some tough questions and sure enough you did ask them. we re still left wondering what s the president s plan because it s even more disconcerting, the disconnect between administration, the cabinet, the dod, pentagon, all of the above, nobody seems to be quite on the same page which isn t something going to instill confidence in the american people when it seems like everything is a mess there. they can t agree on even whether or not isis is a credible threat. david cameron took the position there, he has no plob calliroblg it what is it. reporter: david cameron cut short his vacation after the beheading of james foley. he an emergency meeting at 10 downing street. maybe that was for show. people will judge what they will. next week david cameron who as you say came out pretty strong tough today and president obama who had that rough news conference yesterday they are going to be together next week in europe. there s a nato summit in wales and the president s european allies, merkel and others trying to sort out not just the future in terms of battling isis but this crisis in ukraine and vladimir putin continuing to thumb his nose at the president and our european allies. ed, i got to say, listening to you, it reminds me of what a good journalist you are on one hand. on the other hand, like the weatherman, a chance of rain. reporter: you got to come up with a new line. i want to congratulate you on something. you re the first person i ve seen who says it right. they don t have a strategy yet on syria. i want to congratulate you. now, the other question i got for you. is it really do you think that they are off the page as much as it hooks like or in fact obama doesn t want to do this? in other words what i m saying he doesn t want to be in syria. that s been clear from the beginning. is he fighting his own people? reporter: i think, yes, because look one year ago this very weekend the president was also on intelligent of u.s. strikes in syria. he pulled back. he said i believe i have the power to go it alone. i was giving the order to general dempsey but decided to go to congress to get a consensus. republicans charged he wanted to hide behind congress and didn t want to go forward because remember that vote in the house of commons had gone down and the president was thinking maybe this is not so popular maybe i shouldn t go forward. they reject that here at the white house. you raise an important point. this is a president who came to power running against war, the thing he s wanted to do is to go back into iraq and that s why there s now been 110 u.s. air strikes. the pentagon tells us today that that s $7.5 million in taxpayer dollars. he s going in there in a limited way in iraq even though he didn t want to and in syria, you re right going back a year ago he was reluctant to get drawn into this civil war. that s the reason for his reluctance. we have to point that out. you re right to note. no one has easy answers in syria. if you go in there and battle isis what you might do is just help assad and strengthen that dictator s hand. two real quick questions, ed. good to see you as always. reporter: good to see you. can t wait to get together with you later for drinks my place. could president obama s plan be no plan and that s the plan which causes isis to get cocky and through their cockiness get sloppy. two, when will president obama be impeached? reporter: the second one i don t know anything about. in terms of a misdirection i doubt the president was trying to misdirect isis. i think clearly they believe he has a strong plan to deal with isis in iraq. syria based on his own comments yesterday is a big question mark what he wants to do there. what was remarkable about yesterday s use conference was that you rarely see a president of either party come out and just basically open up and say i don t really know what i m going to do. usually they come out i got a plan. that s why he s being criticized. others say he s being direct. he s being blunt. ed, what do you think the next step is for this administration? this has been a public relations nightmare. barack obama himself came out a year ago expressed a need for a strategy. a year later there s no strategy. reporter: it s going long road back. there was a news conference here at the white house august of 2013, check the transcript today and the president got a question about you say al qaeda, al qaeda has been decimated but other terror groups like al qaeda are popping up. the president said look this is a big threat, it s a regional threat for now but we need to put together a strategy, something we ll do. that was a year ago. so when the president yesterday was sort of suggesting give us some time this is a more recent threat, a year ago he and others were talking about it and still no strategy. ed, there s no strategy on isis. we ought to get into that. we got to go here. we need to do another segment on it. straight ahead, facebook friday. facebook free for all, 90 questions i know on my facebook. we ll answer your questions from all of us next. tion rinse. the only rinse that helps prevent tartar build-up and cavities. a little swishing. less scraping. yes! 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i think the media played into it a whole lot and that was part of the problem, especially the people that wanted to instigate, throw the racial tension into it. the responsible reporting, i heard a lot of people saying fox was more responsible. good plug. good answer when you re guesting on the five. true answer. there he was. second one for you, from deb w. how did you get into a radio? i was in a bar, got in an argument, the d.j. was wrong i was right the guy offered me a job. have you heard his voice? is that from being in the military? nope. i thought you were shouting a lot. because you were a bible baptist preacher. no. i was an altar boy. bobby beckel, this is a hard question. if you had to pick a fellow democrat to sit with you on the five each day, who would you pick? i would pick juan williams. juan says bob how do you do it every day? i say i try to get humor. you re smart i m not. i got a better sense of humor than you do. together i whoop these guys generally. i don t know about that one, bob. here we go. number two from angela g. you crack me up. will you be decorating your neumann cave for christmas? it s already decorated. i m going to do my christmas decorations one more year. kimberly, i m currently studying to take my lsats. what is the bar like? the bar is not so great but manageable. there s far worse things in life. did you pass at any time first time around. i did. but, you know, you got to focus and know you re prepared because by the time you get in there you ve done the prep and work and sample tests and you re good to go. from suzie y. i notice you are a chair dancer. i bet you re a car dancer too. are you? actually i do dance in the car too when i drive and it s pretty funny when you see the expressions on the faces. is there a particular music? i just love dance music, all the stuff we bump out here on the show. i love it. stand down, bob. for me from dallas, l. what s your favorite type of music to listen to. this is where greg interrupts me. tom o dell is my favorite singer. he s awesome. he s cute. are you looking for a date. no. tom, if you re watching. you are such a liar. you went to the lillith fair. i did and what does it mean? second question from daniel h. what did you do before you were hired at fox. i was a teacher and a dean at a high school. you were the hot dean. all right. kids were never late for class. no, no. ahead on the five as many of you think it roads this labor day weekend there are a lot of bad drivers out there to watch out for. any of us one of them. we ll tell you from a new survey where the worst ones are. up next. female announcer: through monday, get three years interest-free financing and save up to $400 on beautyrest and posturepedic. even get three years interest-free financing on serta icomfort and tempur-pedic. but this special financing offer ends labor day at sleep train. president obama does not have a strategy on isis. okay. millions of americans are hitting the roads for labor day weekend. if you re driving in massachusetts watch out they say some of the country s worst drivers live there, worcester and boston. where are the best drivers? it s a tie between fort collins in colorado and brownsville, texas. let me see. david where do you think the worst drivers are besides your own backyard? i went to school in worcester. they are better drives than that but new york city, worst drivers in the world. what about you los angeles. only because i almost got hit by a guy with a clothed cat. do you think that s normal? no. that s weird. you don t drive, right? my driver s license expired when i was living in london and i haven t gotten around to it. the worst driver, i asked president obama and he said his 3 wood. he loves to golf. one more golf joke. i don t think we can bring that up enough. i don t look at areas, i look at people. newly arrived foreigners. i lived in london and would not drive because i knew on the left side of the road i would kill somebody. when you move to some place new accident prone. young drivers they take more risks so they are deadlier. tend to hit more people. elderly because they refuse to give up their driver s license. the day my mom passed away that day she got a renewal from the dmv at 89 and she would have done it. have you got a renewal? i have a great driving record. i m a good driver. my girlfriends call med danica patrick. the state of colorado has had this good driving thing because everybody will be stoned and driving 15 miles per hour and a lot of rear end collisions. the worst drivers, in my neighborhood is me. okay. one more thing is up next. you drive? 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there they are. former vice president dick cheney and his wife. i hope you are spending it with family. thank you for your dedication to this country and each other. 50 years. wow. that s amazing. i held bob down. jena. i have an amazing video for you. a little boy apparently was not happy when he found out that his mom was having another baby. so check out what he had to say about it. i m pregnant. what were you thinking? what do you have to just get another baby. you just have two. this is exasperating. you ll have another brother or sister to take care of. to help take care of. that makes no sense. this is a smart kid. can we run him for president. perfectly seat belted in, car seats. i love how his sister next to him later in the video the mom says what do you think and she s steering in the camera blankly and what? that s what my brothers and sisters said when i was coming. you got two to take care of. i think that was staged. that was staged you re a cynic. you are cynical about everything. i m here to ruin everybody s one more thing. david. a lot of people heard about bowe bergdahl. cody has been on my show one of the platoon mates have a big golf tournament this weekend. it s for first lieutenant darrin andrews who was killed while searching for bergdahl. it s not about bergdahl it s about darren s family. while on patrol darren s vehicle was hit by an iud. he supermanned himself to save his soldiers pushing them out of the way. darin andrews memorial.org. that s it for us. catch our labor day special monday 5:00 p.m. it s a scream. have a great holiday weekend. special report up next. the uk ups its terror threat level as president obama struggles to recover from admitting to having no strategy to deal with terrorists in syria. this is special report. good evening i m bret baier. tonight great britain s threat level stands at severe meaning the possibility of a terrorist attack there is highly likely. the british prime minister made the announcement in a detailed briefing with reporters this morning. meantime president obama and his team are trying to rebound tonight from yesterday s declaration that there. strat
our security is quite clear. it is a poisonous ideology of islamic extremism. i was wrong. he s as clear as obama s schedule during golf season. compare and contrast cameron to this. before getting to the strategy, is the united states presently at war with isis, yes or no? well, no, chris. battle. we re not at war with a group that s at war with us. is it because we re at war with other stuff like coal, fracking or obesity. right now the white house is giving you free advice on packing your kid s school lunch. i can make a sandwich but can t make a bomber. you are at war, mr. president with so many other things, climate, carbs, caddies. this indecision makes hamlet look resolute. the fallout while isis explodes we ground our planes and delay our nukes. the percentage of the economy devoted to defense is at pre-9/11 levels. we re turning from lion to a lamb. defense suffers. obama s best strategy is to beat holiday traffic for martha s vineyard because as isis strategy wreaks because his priorities wreak, confronting radical islam was never on his to-do list. if only they were republicans. what if we hypnotized the president thinking isis was the tea party he would nuclear the whole lot of them. bob, gratuitous golf jokes in there, i admit it. what did you make of david cameron s strong words in comparison to president obama s. that s the set up here. i don t know where to begin. strong guy. listen, cameron, i like cameron because he was the first world leader to come out when the muslims were killing the christians. you did say that. look as a british guy who killed the journalist, so i think cameron feels much more exposed. obama and i ll say this once and you can argue all you want. if you look at the context what he said on the syria side of things we re working on a strategy, we don t have a strategy. it s the wrong choice of words. but nonetheless the syrian issue hasn t been resolved. it will be. they will bomb next week. when he said that i think i would have been clearer about that than he was. that s the cause of the problem. that and the five and you guys jumped on it. when president obama saw david cameron speak did he shrink a little bit and go all right that s what i should have done or that s a little bit much. he was doing what i was doing crying for his mom. when you hear david cameron giving the speech that president obama should have given yesterday that s tough to take. i think listening, watching the speech he sees the juxtaposit n juxtaposition, david cameron gets it. we haven t arrived at that conclusion yet. however, keep in mind that british panic. they must have some serious credible intelligence there s an imminent and severe threat they have to address and if he s right then what s going to happen? obama will blame it on a video? he ll have another benghazi on his hands. upper lip is always stiff. josh earnest said we re not at war. i guess, i mean literally he s right. but we are at war aren t we? i missed the part where shooting at each other is not a war. i suppose chicago is a peace rally in black on black crime. look, josh earnest is the white house liar in chief. that s pretty much what i call him. he goes out. he pushes out whatever he wants to push the facts be damned. cameron didn t blame bush. he clearly said this didn t start in iraq. this is an ideology that s been around for 1,000 years. this is it s third iteration. by the way i won t beat greg gutfeld at a joke but obama talks mean, talks big and carries a putter and i ll leave it at that. i know, bob. that s our limit for today. one more golf joke. no more golf jokes. jena, wouldn t americans prefer a stress free foreign policy over a stress free packed lunch. ultimately what will happen this stuff will wind up on our door step. cameron was saying we have to deal with this now. we have to call terrorism what is it. otherwise this winds up on our door step. for me it was just it illustrated the crisis of leadership we have. we have a president that won t face what s happening and face this can be an enormous consequence for this country, could be very dangerous. unless he starts taking action. wait a second. before he starts taking action we ve been dropping bombs over there he s declaring he doesn t have a strategy. he said syria. designee didn t have a strategy in syria. what does that say tomb. that was a bad choice of works. but they haven t concluded a strategy. he disclosed that to all of your enemies you haven t concluded a strategy. there s dangerous people that listen to that talk. leaders of isis that are well funded. this ideology goes back 1,000 years and they also dump the saudi kingdom. now the saudis are deciding whether they want to fight these guys. i think the saudis will come in on the side of us. you talk about action. here s what britain and cameron is doing. they are going to rescind the passports. you have 3,000 terrorists fighting for isis that you need to keep out of europe. here s why it s important. you get to europe you can come to america. that s the problem. so the 300 or so americans and by the way let s keep killing the american terrorists who go find the somalis that are missing, kill them all. then the ones that come through europe stop them there. if they get that passport i think they got them. 3,000 that have them go to great britain and they turn around and fly here. all the bad guys are in one place at one time. why hesitate. one big fat roach motel. knock it out. when you have this kind of opportunity you can t hesitate. they are not hesitating. believe me, bob, when i sit here and i tell you i want our president to win. i want him to make decisive actions against isis and not be political naive when it comes to this situation or wait too long to get polls or to do wind checking to see what s going to happen. we are dropping tens of thousands of bombs a day. the spokesman for the free syrian army said it best. he said dropping bombs and air strikes against isis is like tickling them. it s not that s what they said in the balkans. it s not enough. here s the problem. you re going to have to take out mosul with house to house fighting. send in our special forces to train the pashmir to get them to fight. we need contractors, intelligence, we decimated our human intelligence over there. they are finally rebuilding it. you won t do this with air strikes. you need to take out the command structure. how about the millions of dollars we spent to train the iraqi army. they ran. hang on. we didn t build an officer corps. we didn t build what was needed to sustain an army. you got top level generals and foot soldiers. you don t have a structure. the army put down their guns and ran away when we got there. when we first invaded. we disbanded the army. i don t think david knows what he s talking about. i want to ask jena, because this is part of the monolog idea. we re not rebuilding our military we re unbuilding it. is it time to reassess and turn this thing around? it s been time for a long time but this president is not going to do that. that s not his priority. he s too worried about what kids are eating and climate change, talk about far left causes to appeal to his base. he s got one foot out the door in terms of this presidency and he s thinking what his legacy will be to the far left. of course we re downgrading the military. the united states should be leading. you have david cameron coming out and making a statement that the american president the leader of the free world should be making. should be firm on terrorism. firm on a strong military. it s humiliating. he doesn t want to get involved. you bomb a bunch of world war ii ships. we spent more money on the military than every other country combined. which is important. we have more to do. we cut the budget for the destroyers. i don t care if you ve been on one they are useless. you going to fight isis in water. there s no water. how you going to fight them? what is your platform when you don t have a base in iraq. the platform has a carrier, ships. that s correct. someone explain this to me. somebody send in the memo. you need water to have a ship. i would go back. one ship that doesn t need wear and it s friendship. oh, that s fuzzy and warm. i m fuzzy and warm thanks to the medication. ft. hood shooter wants to join isis. why don t we let him over. fly him over and parachute him in. and then kill him. he could be the inaugural member of the new terror five passport program. let him go. i don t know, eric holder will give him a curfew or work furlough. this is the exact problem. this is someone who was here and committed acts of terror against the united states. workplace violence. that s the problem. somebody throw the semantics flag down. i stepped out of line. let s call it what is it. nobody is here. they are already here. the air strikes take him and dump him out of the airplane. a lot of those hard cores have gone over there. whether you agree with bombing or not they are all there. they are never going to get a passport to get back any place. to that point which is important, i ll bring you in on this one jena, this is the problem with snowden in my view is if you have people with passports going back and forth, we compromised the programs that monitored these people. they know they are being monitored. so now the communication structure amongst these radicals has changed and we owe that to snowden and glenn greenwald. to an extent. to a huge extent. still, all these people are in one place and the key here is we re not doing anything about it. you can throw bombs in. if you want to scatter foreign policy with respect to your approaches it does nothing. before you have a foreign policy you need military success. we won the balkan war doing the same thing. you re dealing with terrorists. serbs weren t terrorists? that will get me in trouble with the serbs. the president is getting it from both the right and left after admitting he has no tragedy to defeat isis. bob, you ll love the next segment. we just indict. we re going in a different direction. we ll answer questions you have about us as long as you don t bring up that incident at arby s. facebook.com/thefivefnc. in case you haven t heard yet president obama doesn t know what to do about isis and he let the whole world know that yesterday. we will continue to consult with congress and i do think that it will be important for congress to weigh in and our consultations with congress will continue to develop so that the american people are part of the debate. but i don t want to put the cart before the horse. we don t have a strategy yet. oops. now a lot of people are letting him know that it wasn t such a good idea. this guy is coming off a teleprompter. it s dangerous when he comes off a telefronter and did what he did today and tells our enemies we don t have a strategy. that s problem with this issue, the president hasn t been able to put forth a coherent strategy. this is an extraordinary admission coming from the leader of the world s most powerful nation. you know, as such, megan, it s embarrassing, also. and that was a little special something for bob beckel, because did you see that? your buddy. i did. i guess we don t have enough writers today. i know it s holiday time. we wrote the same segment twice. if you we re giving you a mulligan like the president wish he had. he was talking about sir why. i m done. why don t we side-by-side cameron and obama and look at how the world would see the both of them. i looked into that, 45 second sound on tape. side-by-side, what obama said yesterday, what cameron said. i want to be side-by-side with that woman he was with down on south africa. jena. people who were defending obama were saying well he doesn t want to lay all his cards out on the table. i m thinking to myself this is a guy who has been talking about shouting from the roof tops no boots on the ground when it comes to iraq. he lays his cards on the table. he doesn t know. there s massive miscommunication within the administration. he knows one person is saying one thing, another person is saying another. a year ago he was on record saying a strategy needed to be implemented. he wait ad whole year and did nothing. we had a pentagon official saying one thing and then hagel saying another thing and in 24 hours he s ignoring military advice. they have less territory today than they had a week ago. they have an airport which gives them leverage. they don t have a dam. they don t have the sandbox. they don t have the dam. they embedded themselves in the populations. let s not kid ourselves. they are the step child of hamas. they are using the same tactics. these guys are not going away and the blurred lines on the syrian border which is why we should be joining with israel and get rid of hamas and isis. this has happened before. twice in history. two previous ideological death cuts, nazism and communism. it took a while for people to decide this was evil. the reason why it took so long because of the fear of appearing uncool or mean. this is how i understand isis. that elliot rogers the loser who rampaged in santa barbara and he killed these people because he was a romantic reject. that s isis. isis is a movement of sexual losers. channelling their misery into violence. it is what they are. hence the allure of the virgin promise. jihad is cool when they think they will get something. there s an e-mail going around making the exact point. all the woman on next tuesday should take off their clothes. if a muslim guy sees a woman naked that s not his wife is supposed to commit suicide. if they kill me i ll convert. i have advice for women don t die virgin, there will be terrorists waiting four. i ll just throw that out there. i think the worry about president obama and i think it s that you publicly telegraphed weakness. years ago when he tried to appease certain members of the world that we were bad and he did that terribly. if he did that in public what did he do privately. what messages did he convey privately. remember the message he conveyed to the russians. about flexibility. who knows what our enemies were thinking based on what he suggested? coming up next the exact same segment. no just kidding. next chief white house correspondent ed henry, there he is. he ll join us. he has a lot of tough questions. nobody has had a tie like that since 1955. ask us the tough questions on facebook and we ll answer them ahead. > . that is a good question for president obama, because he doesn t have a strategy yet to defeat isis. he certainly told us he doesn t have a strategy when it comes down to or he has a strategy when it comes to raising money for his party. he s now in new york. good more traffic. off to rhode island to raise more money and more fundraisers. a lot of americans want answers. and our very own ed henry tried to get us some today. ed, how are you, first of all? let s go to ed. ed, you always like to be on tv. reporter: i thought you were going to play a clip. why when we can have the real thing. go ahead. reporter: i pressed josh earnest about it. the president is doing fundraising today, and remember last week he was playing golf right after the statement about james foley being beheaded. he took a lot of grief about that not just from republicans but democrats. i pressed josh earnest one day after saying you don t have a strategy to deal with isis why are you raising campaign money. he said the president is jug alligator lot of thing not national security. he s head of the democratic party. he has a big mid-term election. presidents in both parties raise gobs of money. he has a national security team he relies on. the optics might be something that blows up in the president s face. beyond the optics is anything coming out of the pentagon after this? typically we get a pentagon briefer. have they responded? reporter: one interesting thing that s emerging is one of the things the president said yesterday that didn t get as much attention as the no strategy comment is that he said one of the delays, if you will, one of the reasons why he doesn t have a plan to present to the american people and congress for authorization he said is that the pentagon hasn t finished their work, he s still waiting on them to put these plans together. admiral john kirby did have a briefing today and said look the u.s. military is always ready. we re always putting together plans and when the commander-in-chief says go we ll be ready with plan. i don t want to overplay that but there seems there s a little bit of a rift don t forget who runs the pentagon, chuck hagel who a week ago said isis is a bigger threat than al qaeda pre-9/11. so is the president not on the same page with his cabinet. he insisted they are singing from the song sheet. it seems interesting the president blaming the military, the pentagon for not having a plan ready when folks over there said we ll be ready when he says go. we were taking that live today and waiting for you to couple because let s get some tough questions and sure enough you did ask them. we re still left wondering what s the president s plan because it s even more disconcerting, the disconnect between administration, the cabinet, the dod, pentagon, all of the above, nobody seems to be quite on the same page which isn t something going to instill confidence in the american people when it seems like everything is a mess there. they can t agree on even whether or not isis is a credible threat. david cameron took the position there, he has no plob calliroblg it what is it. reporter: david cameron cut short his vacation after the beheading of james foley. he an emergency meeting at 10 downing street. maybe that was for show. people will judge what they will. next week david cameron who as you say came out pretty strong tough today and president obama who had that rough news conference yesterday they are going to be together next week in europe. there s a nato summit in wales and the president s european allies, merkel and others trying to sort out not just the future in terms of battling isis but this crisis in ukraine and vladimir putin continuing to thumb his nose at the president and our european allies. ed, i got to say, listening to you, it reminds me of what a good journalist you are on one hand. on the other hand, like the weatherman, a chance of rain. reporter: you got to come up with a new line. i want to congratulate you on something. you re the first person i ve seen who says it right. they don t have a strategy yet on syria. i want to congratulate you. now, the other question i got for you. is it really do you think that they are off the page as much as it hooks like or in fact obama doesn t want to do this? in other words what i m saying he doesn t want to be in syria. that s been clear from the beginning. is he fighting his own people? reporter: i think, yes, because look one year ago this very weekend the president was also on intelligent of u.s. strikes in syria. he pulled back. he said i believe i have the power to go it alone. i was giving the order to general dempsey but decided to go to congress to get a consensus. republicans charged he wanted to hide behind congress and didn t want to go forward because remember that vote in the house of commons had gone down and the president was thinking maybe this is not so popular maybe i shouldn t go forward. they reject that here at the white house. you raise an important point. this is a president who came to power running against war, the thing he s wanted to do is to go back into iraq and that s why there s now been 110 u.s. air strikes. the pentagon tells us today that that s $7.5 million in taxpayer dollars. he s going in there in a limited way in iraq even though he didn t want to and in syria, you re right going back a year ago he was reluctant to get drawn into this civil war. that s the reason for his reluctance. we have to point that out. you re right to note. no one has easy answers in syria. if you go in there and battle isis what you might do is just help assad and strengthen that dictator s hand. two real quick questions, ed. good to see you as always. reporter: good to see you. can t wait to get together with you later for drinks my place. could president obama s plan be no plan and that s the plan which causes isis to get cocky and through their cockiness get sloppy. two, when will president obama be impeached? reporter: the second one i don t know anything about. in terms of a misdirection i doubt the president was trying to misdirect isis. i think clearly they believe he has a strong plan to deal with isis in iraq. syria based on his own comments yesterday is a big question mark what he wants to do there. what was remarkable about yesterday s use conference was that you rarely see a president of either party come out and just basically open up and say i don t really know what i m going to do. usually they come out i got a plan. that s why he s being criticized. others say he s being direct. he s being blunt. ed, what do you think the next step is for this administration? this has been a public relations nightmare. barack obama himself came out a year ago expressed a need for a strategy. a year later there s no strategy. reporter: it s going long road back. there was a news conference here at the white house august of 2013, check the transcript today and the president got a question about you say al qaeda, al qaeda has been decimated but other terror groups like al qaeda are popping up. the president said look this is a big threat, it s a regional threat for now but we need to put together a strategy, something we ll do. that was a year ago. so when the president yesterday was sort of suggesting give us some time this is a more recent threat, a year ago he and others were talking about it and still no strategy. ed, there s no strategy on isis. we ought to get into that. we got to go here. we need to do another segment on it. straight ahead, facebook friday. facebook free for all, 90 questions i know on my facebook. back by popular demand facebook friday. we ask you to send in your questions. let s get your answers. all right. i have not seen these as of yet but i know we re starting with mr. gregory to my left. greg from nancy b. when you go out for dinner what s your favorite meal to have and drink to have with it? as everybody knows i m a vegetarian which means i only eat vegetarians. i love meat. i have a place in australia a sausage joint not a gay bar. some of the best sausages in the world. west side grill. i go to a place for ribeye on 9th avenue. red wine always. a second one four from denise p., would you do stand up comedy? no because i m a coward. you are only a comedian if you do stand up. you can t say you re a comedian if you don t do state of the union. i was a writer. i wrote for a living. i never got up on a stage doing jokes. doing speeches does make you a comedian. a comedian means taking that risk. i m not a comedian. toughest job there is. very good answers. i ve been asked both questions before. he s quick witted. david. since you were in ferguson do you think the media coverage made the situation get out of control? i think the media played into it a whole lot and that was part of the problem, especially the people that wanted to instigate, throw the racial tension into it. the responsible reporting, i heard a lot of people saying fox was more responsible. good plug. good answer when you re guesting on the five. true answer. there he was. second one for you, from deb w. how did you get into a radio? i was in a bar, got in an argument, the d.j. was wrong i was right the guy offered me a job. have you heard his voice? is that from being in the military? nope. i thought you were shouting a lot. because you were a bible baptist preacher. no. i was an altar boy. bobby beckel, this is a hard question. if you had to pick a fellow democrat to sit with you on the five each day, who would you pick? i would pick juan williams. juan says bob how do you do it every day? i say i try to get humor. you re smart i m not. i got a better sense of humor than you do. together i whoop these guys generally. i don t know about that one, bob. here we go. number two from angela g. you crack me up. will you be decorating your neumann cave for christmas? it s already decorated. i m going to do my christmas decorations one more year. kimberly, i m currently studying to take my what is the bar like? the bar is not so great but manageable. there s far worse things in life. did you pass at any time first time around. i did. but, you know, you got to focus and know you re prepared because by the time you get in there you ve done the prep and work and sample tests and you re good to go. from suzie y. i notice you are a chair dancer. i bet you re a car dancer too. are you? actually i do dance in the car too when i drive and it s pretty funny when you see the expressions on the faces. is there a particular music? i just love dance music, all the stuff we bump out here on the show. i love it. stand down, bob. for me from dallas, l. what s your favorite type of music to listen to. this is where greg interrupts me. tom o dell is my favorite singer. he s awesome. he s cute. are you looking for a date. no. tom, if you re watching. you are such a liar. you went to the lillith fair. i did and what does it mean? second question from daniel h. what did you do before you were hired at fox. i was a teacher and a dean at a high school. you were the hot dean. all right. kids were never late for class. no, no. ahead on the five as many of you think it roads this labor day weekend there are a lot of bad drivers out there to watch out for. out for. any of us sweater, extra sweater oh and this is the xfinity tv go app. he can watch live tv from over 50 channels and xfinity on demand movies and shows wherever he wants. have fun, make some friends. alright? 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(blowing) president obama does not have a strategy on isis. okay. millions of americans are hitting the roads for labor day weekend. if you re driving in massachusetts watch out they say some of the country s worst drivers live there, worcester and boston. where are the best drivers? it s a tie between fort collins in colorado and brownsville, texas. let me see. david where do you think the worst drivers are besides your own backyard? i went to school in worcester. they are better drives than that but new york city, worst drivers in the world. what about you los angeles. only because i almost got hit by a guy with a clothed cat. do you think that s normal? no. that s weird. you don t drive, right? my driver s license expired when i was living in london and i haven t gotten around to it. the worst driver, i asked president obama and he said his 3 wood. he loves to golf. one more golf joke. i don t think we can bring that up enough. i don t look at areas, i look at people. newly arrived foreigners. i lived in london and would not drive because i knew on the left side of the road i would kill somebody. when you move to some place new accident prone. young drivers they take more risks so they are deadlier. tend to hit more people. elderly because they refuse to give up their driver s license. the day my mom passed away that day she got a renewal from the dmv at 89 and she would have done it. have you got a renewal? i have a great driving record. i m a good driver. my girlfriends call med danica patrick. the state of colorado has had this good driving thing because everybody will be stoned and driving 15 miles per hour and a lot of rear end collisions. the worst drivers, in my neighborhood is me. okay. facebook.com/thekellyfile. follow me on twitter. let me know your thoughts. i m megyn kelly. this is the kelly file. welcome to this special edition of hannity. for the entire hour we re going to be focusing on the rise of radical islam around the world and what it means for the safety and security for our homeland. recently i had the opportunity to speak with former vice president dick cheney about the dangers posed by the islamic extremists and he explained why the administration needs to wake up and take these terrorist threats very seriously. you know, you said a while back that a lot of people kind of hemmed and hawed at what you said, you predicted america will likely get hit in the next ten years in a way that is worse than 9/11. did you watch
missile crisis. you would think the soviets in 1960 would be wanting to display all of their biggest missiles, right, all of their finest weaponry as a show of force against the dreaded united states. it was an incredibly intense time for u.s./soviet relations. but there was this moment back in 1960 when the president of the united states at the time, dwight eisenhower, and the leader of the soviet union at the time, nikita krush chauf, they did in 1960, did for a while seem like they were trying to thaw relations between our two countries. and to that end, those two leaders had planned to meet in paris for a one-on-one superpower summit in 1960. a meeting to talk face to face, man to man, about relations between our two countries. these two cold war enemies. that meeting was supposed to take place two weeks after that parade. that summit meeting in paris never happened. the reason it never happened is because on the same day as this peace-themed may day parade in moscow, on may 1st, 1960, an american u2 spy plane on a reconnaissance mission was shot down over the soviet union. an american plane went down in russia. the pilot, a 30-year-old american, named gary powers, he was captured alive by the soviet union. captured alive. in moscow, nikita khruschev, gary powers of the downed american reconnaissance plane was alive, and russia seized spy photographs 14 miles inside the soviet borders. the plane was brought down on may day. mr. k. was quick to play on it for propaganda advantage. the story of the moest sensational intelligence operations yet revealed. america admits extensive flights over russia by unarmed planes during the last five years. state department spokesman lincoln white used the reasons for the flight. given the state of the world today, intelligence collection activities are practiced by all countries, and post-war history certainly reveals that the soviet union has not been lagging behind in this field. soviet union has not been lagging behind in this field. that s what the united states said officially. right? but there was no denying that this was a huge deal. for the world to find out not just the cia was spying on the soviet union, but for the world to find out ant bout it in this incredibly shocking way, shooting down of his supposedly secret american spy plane, with the capture of the american pilot alive, two weeks later, the plans for that soviet/american summit in paris, those plans collapsed completely. we all know what happened between the soviet union and the united states over the nerxt fe years. soviet union proudly displayed the captured american u2 spy plane for them to see. khruschev made sure the remnants of the planes, photographed with the crashed plane parts. they played this up to maximum effect. part of what made this story so sensational is the u2 spy plane was supposed to be virtually undetectable by radar. it was supposed to fly at such a high altitude, roughly 770,000 feet, that they thought radar wouldn t be able to pick it up and nobody would know it was there. that u2 spy plane was shot down in the soviet union then moscow decided to put that american pilot, gary powers, on trial. gary powers in his trial was convicted in that soviet court. he got a ten-year sentence. they sentenced him to three years in prison then seven additional years at hard labor. gary powers did not end up serving all that time. ultimately it was president kennedy who got him release in a prisoner exchange in 1962, but that incident was hugely embarrassing for the united states, and hugely upsetting to our very tenuous relations with the soviet union. i mean, that was never supposed to have happened given the type of aircraft involved and for that american pilot to have ended up a soviet prisoner, it was just almost unthinkable. that was 1960. in 1995, a u.s. air force pilot named scott o grady, he was flying a much smaller plane. he was flying an f-16 fighter jet over bosnia. the united states was part of an international coalition that had decided to intervene against the serbs in the war that was being fought in bosnia. in june 1995, pilot scott o grady s f-16, it was shot down in hostile territory in bosnia. mr. o grady disappeared for six days until u.s. marines went in on the ground in a rescue mission. 2:08 local time this morning, the mission toless c lesrescue . nato aircraft over bosnia get a flash morse code from o grady. 12 minutes later, o grady speaks into his high-tech hand held radio. his voice instantly is recognized by a buddy from his squadron in an f-16 overhead. the radio pinpointing his position. positive identification. marines rescue specialists prepare for action. they know they must fly over areas bris lg with serb anti-aircraft weapons. daylight makes them easy targets. still at 5:50, two marine cobra gunships get the order to go and are launched. next, two assault choppers loaded with the highly trained marines. they have jump sets and a-10s as backup. planes jam serb radar and move in fast. o grady popping a yellow smoke grenade. choppers landing. marines forming a security line. two minutes on the ground. the marines secured the area and captain o grady came running out of the treeline, jumped on the second 53, and they lifted off. almost six days in the woods, hiding in day, moving only at night, surviving on bugs, grass, and rainwater. just 80 miles now back, they re flying low, but halfway there, a missile nearly hits them. they take rifle fire, too, and they shoot back. miraculously, there were no casualties during that high-risk mission to save fighter pilot scott o grady after he was shot down in what was supposed to been an air-only u.s. military mission over bosnia, when that resulted in him hiding out in the woods for six days hoping he was rescued before he was found by the enemy. never supposed to be any boots on the ground in boz mia in terms of u.s. forces. air wars have a way of not always just staying in the air. sometimes stuff happens. today we learned that president obama has authorized what the white house is calling surveillance flights over the wartorn nation of syria. unnamed defense department officials telling reporters today that some of those surveillance flights would be unmanned aircraft, drones, but some of them would be manned. u2 spy planes. the same model of plane flown by fw gary powers over the soviet union. u2s is what they will use or may already be using over sere ja right now. throughout the three year brutal syria civilian war, one thing to know about syria, they have a strong air defense system. they have a sophisticated national defense system to shoot down what they see as enemy aircraft. and syria, of course, did not develop that system because of the civil war that they re in. they ve had this system in place for a long time. part of making themselves a target by israel or any other middle eastern government that might decide they want a piece of the assad regime. the asaid regime has not been cheap when it comes to investing in the weapon systems. they have a rock solid ally in russia. russia has been more than happy to sell syria any weapons it wants and prop them up on complex systems like air defense. and that sophisticatsophisticat sophisticated air defense system in syria is one of the reasons those american special forces, that team of marines and delta force commandos that carried out that attempted secret rescue mission last month to save american hostages held by isis in syria, their awareness of syrian air defense systems is apparently why that special ops raid used the special secret modified kind of awkwardly shaped radar evading blackhawk helicopters that were also used in the 2011 mission to find and kill osama bin laden inside pakistan. now, of course, in syria, you have not just the danger posed by the official government still clinging to power in that country, and their air defense systems, you also have the danger of various rebel groups fighting in syria, including, of course, isis, which was the target of that raid back in july which ultimately did not find the hostages including american journalist jim foley who was later killed. one sure way to know you re in chicken hawk territory when it comes to debating these things is when you hear politicians, or talking heads, talk about air strikes against some enemy or some other country. as if air strikes are some kind of magic. rig right? they re a risk-free military solution. easy peezy. you go in safely, you drop a couple of bombs, you re out. no american boots on the ground. no american lives at risk. you hear people talk about air strikes like that all the time. like they re a free play somehow. very recent history tells us that that is not the case. and right now you have large swaths of syria controlled by forces that are hostile to the united states. there s isis, of course. there s also the government in syria who has said plainly that they must approve any u.s. military action in that country, and if the u.s. takes action outside of what they approve, that would be seen as an act of aggression. the united states says for its part, they is have no intention of ever coordinating anything with the assad regime. and in that kind of environment, the united states military is not going to get any help on the ground in support of air strikes if it turns out they need it. and if the effectiveness of air strikes is to some extent contingent on-the-ground intelligence and intelligence and supportive elements to maintain that air operation or to respond if anything, god forbid, goes wrong, then if we start air strikes in syria, we are heading into a very difficult and inarguably dangerous new u.s. military operation in a country where we previously have not been involved. should the united states be engaged in an aerial campaign against this militant group, isis, inside syria? as a country, we re going to have to make a decision about that one way or the other. and even if you are very clear as to where you stand on that question, yes or no, you d admit that it s a hard enough question, right, that if our government really is seriously considering it, and these surveillance flights make it seem like they really are seriously considering it, it s a hard enough question that it deserves a real debate. not one just on tv. not one just in the op-ped pages. but a real argument. a real debate like our founders envisioned. a debate followed by a binding decision on whether or not we do it. a decision made publicly for which our politicians will be known and accountable for how they vote. that s the way it s designed in the constitution. and it s designed that way on purpose. and i know congress is enjoying taking more than a month off right now, but with each passing day, the news from syria, and the news involving the terrorist group isis seems to get more and more horrifying and the white house starts to talk about more and more operations targeting isis including those that they say will not respect geographic boundaries. today, part of the terrible news was learning that a 33-year-old american man was apparently killed in syria while fighting with isis. his family in san diego confirms today that the state department has told them that 33-year-old american douglas mccain was killed last weekend in syria apparently while he was fighting with isis. we ve also learned today that one of the american hostages being held by isis in syria is apparently an american woman. she s 26 years old. she s been held for just over a year now. she was taken hostage in august of last year. she was apparently in syria on some sort of humanitarian mission at the time that she was captured. her family does not want her name reported in the media, but nbc news has also learned that isis is demanding a more than $6 million ransom in order to free her. as a matter of policy, the united states does not pay ransom for hostages. ransom of any size. this group, isis, is continuing to do everything it can to try to provoke a military reaction from the united states. and a lot of people in this country will argue that maybe we should have one. maybe the threats and provocations where isis warrant putting american military personnel back into a new part of the middle east in harm s way. but a lot of americans will not agree with that contention. and honestly, neither is a wrong or unpatriotic decision at this point. it s an argument that deserves a really vigorous debate. every side of that question deserves to be heard and heard again and heard thoroughly and argued well and rebutted well. because even though they re only talking about air strikes, you know what, there s no such thing as only air strikes. air strikes really do put american military personnel in harm s way. they are not magic. they constitute a difficult decision to deploy american troops. a decision that our elected representatives in the u.s. congress constitutionally are supposed to make. it s their call. it was almost exactly one year ago when president obama said he had decided as commander in chief that he wanted the u.s. military to mount air strikes in syria. a year ago he said that. but not talking about mounting them against isis but against the assad regime, itself, because they used chemical weapons. he walked into the rose guarden and said he wanted air strikes in syria, but he also said the congress should take a vote on whether to authorize those strikes. our military has positioned assets in the region. the chairman of the joint chiefs has informed me that we are prepared to strike whenever we choose. i m prepared to give that order. but having made my decision as commander in chief based on what i am convinced is our national security interests, i m also mindful that i m the president of the world s oldest constitutional democracy. i ve long believed that our power is rooted not just in our military might, but in our example as a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. that s why i ve made a second decision. i will seek authorization for the use of force from the american people s representatives in congress. that was august 31st, last year, almost exactly a year ago. president obama asking congress to approve military strikes in syria. congress at the time was hinting that they would say no, but they never actually said anything. they just sort of hinted to the media that they would say no and then they never did anything. ultimately, the administration embarked instead of air strikes on a successful international mission to get rid of all the chemical weapons in syria. that went forward instead of air strikes, but as to that request to congress to authorize air strikes, it has been almost exactly a year and congress has still not gone on the record about the president s request. and now one year later, the white house is openly mulling air strikes again, this time on different targets inside syria, going so far as to start surveillance flights already as of today and now members of congress are apparently paying attention to what is happening from syria from wherever they re on vacation. and if you care to listen to them while they re on vacation and they choose to speak instead of act, the sounds they re pointlessly making seem to indicate, particularly from republican side of the aisle, that they think president obama definitely should have done something in syria by now. but they also apparently think that he should have just done it without asking them. they d rather not make the decision, themselves. president obama has to admit to himself if no one else, that what he s doing is not working. we ve talked about iraq, but there s no way you can solve the problem in iraq without hitting them in syria. we need to hit them in syria. we need to help the free syrian army mobilize. when it comes to ground troops, if our military commanders tell us that we need ground forces to defeat isil, which is a threat to the united states, so be it. we have got to win and stop these guys. we need to finish them off because they we will either fight them here or we will fight them there. that in my mind is basically the choice. so it sounds to me like you anticipate at some point combat boots on the ground? i don t know i don t know the answer to that, but you certainly don t take that off the table. we need to do everything we can to repel isis. i don t think we have the luxury of putting our heads in the sand and saying, well, it s over there and we re not going to do it. there s no boundary between syria and iraq. one of the key decisions the president is going to have to make is air power in syria. one of the decisions the president is going to have to make? who has to make this decision? i mean, these are all, you know, degrees of reasonable opinion. shared on tv by members of congress recently. but try to get them to put their votes where their mouths are, and nothing. we re still waiting to hear from congress about what president obama proposed a year ago. on the same day that he announced the house republicans lawsuit against president obama for taking way too many actions on his own. you might remember house speaker john boehner was asked in that same press conference if he had a role. if john boehner had a role in deciding what kind of action the united states should take in iraq. here s how john boehner answered at the time. you opened up with iraq. i m curious if you have any suggestions for what the president should do there. well, what he should do is have an overarching strategy to deal with the growing threat of terrorism. don t you feel, though, that you have some responsibility here, to say, here s what i think that we should do? here s what the president should be doing, to be giving counsel at that point? i called for more increased u.s. activity a year ago. in january, when the isis forces came across the iraq border and began to gather territory, i called on the administration to act. and it s not my job to outline for the president what tools he should use or not use. and when he says, what tools he should use or not use, what he means is whether or not the president should use military force. john boehner thinks that is not his job, it s not congress job, it s the president s job somehow. that was at the same time that he was suing the president for doing too much without congress. today house speaker john boehner released this video about what he thinks his job really is. this sits in my office on my coffee table because this is me. that s what i do all day. they wind me up about every 15 minutes. no, no, i got to go to work. i got to go to work. the people we elect to represent us in congress to have a vigorous debate about deploying u.s. military personnel to an incredibly dangerous country, to carry out an incredibly dangerous mission, where they would 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rachel, first i hope desperately that the president brings this to congress. i know the team is weighing whether to bring it to congress or not. actually let me walk through what happened last year. what happened last year shows if you do it the way the constitutional framers intended, food thi good things happen. the president had to come to congress, define the mission. we had to use air strikes in syria to deter the use of chemical weapons. we voted 10-8 to use military force for that limited purpose. as soon as we did, russia and syria changed their calculation, came to the table, said hold on a second, don t start military action, we will give up our entire chemical weapons stockpile. t so the president by announcing the goal, coming to congress, the foreign relations committee acting on the president s request, when it was unclear the rest of congress would go along, led to achievement of what the president s objective was, which was the complete obstruction of the chemical weapons stockpile in sere wra which is very important. my argument is the president did it right last year, and by doing it right, he got the objective that he defined to congress which was taking the chemical weapons stockpile out of the equation. he needs to come to congress again with respect to the threat that isis poses and he needs to explain it and crisply define what a military mission would be, then as you indicate, let congress debate it and vote it up or down. that s what the framers of the constitution intended. it s the right thing to do legally. it s the right thing to do morally because if you re going to put servicemen and women in harm s way, you ought to try to get a political consensus first that the mission is worth it, and it s the most likely way for things to work out well after that kind of considered debate. even if we put aside the question of whether or not air strikes should be expanded into syria, it s been about 2 1/2 weeks since the president notified congress that he would start using air strikes against isis in iraq. so under the war powers resolution, after 60 days, legally would that action need to stop if congress doesn t vote to authorize that action inside iraq? or is the president okay with continuing to do that on his own even if congress doesn t say anything about it? rachel, i don t think the president can. i think there s only one circumstance where the president can really act unilaterally before congress, and that s when american lives are imminently threatened, whether it be an embassy or american troops. when american lives are threatened, the president as commander in chief has the ability to act first then hopefully get congressional approval later. when there s no imminent threat to american life, the framers of the constitution were very, very clear. james madison of virginia, okay, i m biased about him, but they were very clear we put the decisions of declaration of war in the hands of congress, the people s elected representatives, and what that forces is the president to be disciplined, come explain a mission, to have that debate which educates the american public, then to make a decision knowing that once it s made, if there s a decision made to go forward, you ve got a political consensus and you re not asking servicemen and women to risk their lives with the political class not having done the work to describe whether the mission is worth it or not. and so, i think the president we are in a position where those 60 days really start to run right when we get back. for the next two weeks, while congress we re not just vacating. we re also doing all kinds of work all around our states. the president should take the next two weeks to define what this military mission is, because it s clear by word and action that the president, the head of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of defense, thinks we need to engage militarily to stop the momentum of isil, but they ought to describe what the military mission is and what we would hope to achieve so we can educate the american public and let the people s representatives cast a vote of approval or disapproval as the framers intended. senator tim kaine of virginia. you ve been outspoken on this for a long time. i appreciate you walking us through your thoughts on this. absolutely. thank you, sir. i have to say, this is one of those things where i ve spoken with people in washington, people in the administration who say when they talk to members of congress about this, they feel like most members of congress absolutely don t want to be asked. they don t want to handle this hot potato. that implicitly gives the administration the ability to do this without them for as long as they can. your member of congress at home, if they read the constitution the way that senator kaine discuss, frankly the way that i do, your member of congress at home ought to be clambering to get this authorization vote happening. this shouldn t be the white house deciding whether or not they re putting it to congress. congress ought to be taking this responsibility and run with it, call themselves back from vacation to deal with this right now. if they really care about this, this is congress imperative. no waiting on the white house on this. congress ought to do it. in my opinion. we ll be right back. and challenges yet unmet, new friendships to forge, and old ones to renew. it s more than a job. and they re more than just our students. so welcome back, to the students, and to the educators. ready to teach. and ready to learn. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. for over 19 million people. 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victor white s parents tell nbc news when they arrived at the police station, they did not know the circumstances of their son s death. victor white s father is a baptist minister. he tells nbc when he was finally led into the morgue, he performed last rights on his seen was not allowed to view his son s body below the chin. local headlines in louisiana that week read man kills himself in back seat of iberia parish deputy s car. state police investigate in-custody death of iberia parish man. two weeks ago the iberia parish coroner s office met with white s family and told them the initial conclusion by police was correct, that it was a self-inflicted wound, in fact it was suicide by a .25 caliber weapon according to the coroner which is important because it s not the .45 caliber weapons that are typically issued to these officers. in a press release yesterday, the coroner said this. the manner of death is suicide. the coroner says his office has a policy of not releasing details on deaths by suicide to the public so there s been no public release from his office of that full autopsy, but that full report has now been obtained exclusively by nbcnews.com s investigative unit. reporter hannah rapley got that report by pictures taken by victor white s family. they photographed it page by page and sent her these photos. and it s a complete report. nbc news can post it. the takeaway, some of this report directly contradicts what the louisiana state police said back in march. the autopsy states that although the police said victor white was shot in the back, while his hands were cuffed behind his back, the autopsy says he was actually not shot in the back. he was shot in the chest. while his hands were cuffed behind his back. the autopsy says the bullet entered his right lateral chest and exited under his left armpit. think about that for a second. he s handcuffed with his hands behind his back and somehow he obtains a gun in the back seat of that squad car even though he s been frisked twice. and then somehow with the gun, he s able to shoot himself while handcuffs from behind in the chest. in his press release, the coroner offered an explanation, he said it was possible for victor white to pull that off because of his physical build. q due to his body habitas, he would have been able to manipulate the weapon to point where the contact entrance wound is found. as is reported today for nbcnews.com, vick victor white s family says they re not convinced. his father tells nbc news, you can t make me understand how my son took his left hand when he was handcuffed behind the back and shot himself. i don t believe a thing they re saying at this point. the family is awaiting a final report from the louisiana state police investigation which is separate from the coroner s investigation, but they say, the only thing we want back is our son. joining us now is hannah, nbc news investigative reporter who s been covering this story since the shooting and obtained exclusive access to the full gr hannah, thanks for being with us. thanks for having any. first let me just ask you, i am new to this story because of your reporting. did i get anything wrong in describing it there? no, you pretty much told the whole story, and when it first happened very few outlets covered it. as you noted, there were a few blotter-like items in the local press. i started reporting it the same month, but since there were so few documents available, i had to spend the last six months, now, trying to get as many documents as possible and speak to as many people that knew him as possible. can you explain the term the coroner is using her and what that argument means? body habitus. the idea that victor white s body habitus somehow enabled him to fire a bullet into his chest while his hands were cuffed behind his back? what the coroner s perspective, what does that mean? i m not quite sure because i was never able to get an interview with the coroner s office. he does say in the report and the press prelearelease that ba all the information that the investigators and pathologist, the forensic pathologist gathered, that he deemed the death of victor white a suicide. one thing that particularly struck me about the report was that the coroner notice e noted victor white had lacerations on the left side of his face. early on in my reporting, the iberia parish police department told me that he had not been involved in an altercation with police that night. and the friend that i interviewed that was with him the night that he was stopped also said that victor didn t have marks on his face. that seemed to imply to me that maybe there was some type of altercation, but it s not clear. the other thing that really was important in that report was that the coroner noted that investigators told him that victor white had somehow said something along the lines of, i m gone, before officers heard the gunshot. which indicated that it was a self-inflicted wound, that it was suicide to him. if the police and now the coroner contend that it was a self-inflicted wound, that he, himself, fired a gun into himself to end his life, why is it, or do we have any understanding, in fact, that the coroner didn t actually test his hands for gunshot residue? according to the documents that i received, his hands were not tested for gunshot residue. wow. there was residue in the wound, itself. and when i went back to the coroner s office to confirm whether i misread or, you know, missed something, they referred me to the state police and the state police were unable to confirm whether his hands were or were not tested for residue. hannah rappleye, investigative reporter for nbc news, who turned up previously unknown information about this case which is now getting, we should admit it, national attention of a kind it probably would not have before, both because of this new information and because of the ferguson, missouri, upset over michael brown s death. i want to thank you for walking us through this, hannah. thank you. absolutely. thank you. we ve got links to all that detail in those reports at maddowblog.com tonight. okay. debunktion junction. a really good one is coming up next. stay with us. reduces the look of pores and smoothes texture for a skin makeover in minutes. instant fix perfecting collection. olay. your best beautiful. say hi rudy. 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[ buzzer ] false. a claim by this woman, an austin defense attorney, who has now said that actually in the days after rosemary lundberg s arrest, governor rick perry personally obtained her cell phone number and called her up himself one on one to he will her that he intended to veto money unless rosemary lundberg resigned. he then asked this woman if she wanted rosemary s job, if he succeeded in his plan to get her to quit. i think i told him of course, it would be an amazing opportunity and i thanked him for considering me. of course, the offer became moot once she made it clear that she would not resign. but it shows that rick perry himself personally got on the phone one on one to discuss these plans to oust rosemary lundberg from office, contrary to what he s been telling the press about how he was never personally involved. rick perry is already running for president in 2016. rick perry is, in his own mind, a top tier commander for president in 2016. this is one of the biggest politic stories in the country. he s had a multiple felony indictment. anybody else under felony indictment run for president? but the basic details of this case have been misconstrued in the national press over and over. i think we re going the keep debunking it night after night. now time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. anyone that tells you indictments are not serious business has ever been indicted. federal agents are investigating audio of what might be the gunshot that killed michael brown. you ll hear that audio and you ll hear from the lawyer who represents the person who recorded it. if this tape is accurate, it
our security is quite clear. it is a poisonous ideology of islamic extremism. i was wrong. he s as clear as obama s schedule during golf season. compare and contrast cameron to this. before getting to the strategy, is the united states presently at war with isis, yes or no? well, no, chris. battle. we re not at war with a group that s at war with us. is it because we re at war with other stuff like coal, fracking or obesity. right now the white house is giving you free advice on packing your kid s school lunch. i can make a sandwich but can t make a bomber. you are at war, mr. president with so many other things, climate, carbs, caddie this indecision makes hamlet look resolute. the fallout while isis explodes we ground our planes and delay our nukes. the percentage of the economy devoted to defense is at pre-9/11 levels. we re turning from lion to a lamb. defense suffers. obama s best strategy is to beat holiday traffic for martha s vineyard because as isis strategy wreaks because his priorities wreak, confronting radical islam was never on his to-do list. if only they were republicans. what if we hypnotized the president thinking isis was the tea party he would nuclear the whole lot of them. bob, gratuitous golf jokes in there, i admit it. what did you make of david cameron s strong words in comparison to president obama s. that s the set up here. i don t know where to begin. strong guy. listen, cameron, i like cameron because he was the first world leader to come out when the muslims were killing the christians. you did say that. look as a british guy who killed the journalist, so i think cameron feels much more exposed. obama and i ll say this once and you can argue all you want. if you look at the context what he said on the syria side of things we re working on a strategy, we don t have a strategy. it s the wrong choice of words. but nonetheless the syrian issue hasn t been resolved. it will be. they will bomb next week. when he said that i think i would have been clearer about that than he was. that s the cause of the problem. that and the five and you guys jumped on it. when president obama saw david cameron speak did he shrink a little bit and go all right that s what i should have done or that s a little bit much. he was doing what i was doing crying for his mom. when you hear david cameron giving the speech that president obama should have given yesterday that s tough to take. i think listening, watching the speech he sees the juxtaposit n juxtaposition, david cameron gets it. we haven t arrived at that conclusion yet. however, keep in mind that british panic. they must have some serious credible intelligence there s an imminent and severe threat they have to address and if he s right then what s going to happen? obama will blame it on a video? he ll have another benghazi on his hands. upper lip is always stiff. josh earnest said we re not at war. i guess, i mean literally he s right. but we are at war aren t we? i missed the part where shooting at each other is not a war. i suppose chicago is a peace rally in black on black crime. look, josh earnest is the white house liar in chief. that s pretty much what i call him. he goes out. he pushes out whatever he wants to push the facts be damned. cameron didn t blame bush. he clearly said this didn t start in iraq. this is an ideology that s been around for 1,000 years. this is it s third iteration. by the way i won t beat greg gutfeld at a joke but obama talks mean, talks big and carries a putter and i ll leave it at that. i know, bob. that s our limit for today. one more golf joke. no more golf jokes. jena, wouldn t americans prefer a stress free foreign policy over a stress free packed lunch. ultimately what will happen this stuff will wind up on our door step. cameron was saying we have to deal with this now. we have to call terrorism what is it. otherwise this winds up on our door step. for me it was just it illustrated the crisis of leadership we have. we have a president that won t face what s happening and face this can be an enormous consequence for this country, could be very dangerous. unless he starts taking action. wait a second. before he starts taking action we ve been dropping bombs over there he s declaring he doesn t have a strategy. he said syria. designee didn t have a strategy in syria. what does that say tomb. that was a bad choice of works. but they haven t concluded a strategy. he disclosed that to all of your enemies you haven t concluded a strategy. there s dangerous people that listen to that talk. leaders of isis that are well funded. this ideology goes back 1,000 years and they also dump the saudi kingdom. now the saudis are deciding whether they want to fight these guys. i think the saudis will come in on the side of us. you talk about action. here s what britain and cameron is doing. they are going to rescind the passports. you have 3,000 terrorists fighting for isis that you need to keep out of europe. here s why it s important. you get to europe you can come to america. that s the problem. so the 300 or so americans and by the way let s keep killing the american terrorists who go over there. find the somalis that are missing, kill them all. then the ones that come through europe stop them there. if they get that passport i think they got them. 3,000 that have them go to great britain and they turn around and fly here. all the bad guys are in one place at one time. why hesitate. one big fat roach motel. knock it out. when you have this kind of opportunity you can t hesitate. they are not hesitating. believe me, bob, when i sit here and i tell you i want our president to win. i want him to make decisive actions against isis and not be political naive when it comes to this situation or wait too long to get polls or to do wind checking to see what s going to happen. we are dropping tens of thousands of bombs a day. the spokesman for the free syrian army said it best. he said dropping bombs and air strikes against isis is like tickling them. it s not that s what they said in the balkans. it s not enough. here s the problem. you re going to have to take out mosul with house to house fighting. send in our special forces to train the pashmir to get them to fight. we need contractors, intelligence, we decimated our human intelligence over there. they are finally rebuilding it. you won t do this with air strikes. you need to take out the command structure. how about the millions of dollars we spent to train the iraqi army. they ran. hang on. we didn t build an officer corps. we didn t build what was needed to sustain an army. you got top level generals and foot soldiers. you don t have a structure. the army put down their guns and ran away when we got there. when we first invaded. we disbanded the army. i don t think david knows what he s talking about. i want to ask jena, because this is part of the monolog idea. we re not rebuilding our military we re unbuilding it. is it time to reassess and turn this thing around? it s been time for a long time but this president is not going to do that. that s not his priority. he s too worried about what kids are eating and climate change, talk about far left causes to appeal to his base. he s got one foot out the door in terms of this presidency and he s thinking what his legacy will be to the far left. of course we re downgrading the military. the united states should be leading. you have david cameron coming out and making a statement that the american president the leader of the free world should be making. should be firm on terrorism. firm on a strong military. it s humiliating. he doesn t want to get involved. you bomb a bunch of world war ii ships. we spent more money on the military than every other country combined. which is important. we have more to do. we cut the budget for the destroyers. i don t care if you ve been on one they are useless. you going to fight isis in water. there s no water. how you going to fight them? what is your platform when you don t have a base in iraq. the platform has a carrier, ships. that s correct. someone explain this to me. somebody send in the memo. you need water to have a ship. i would go back. one ship that doesn t need wear and it s friendship. oh, that s fuzzy and warm. i m fuzzy and warm thanks to the medication. ft. hood shooter wants to join isis. why don t we let him over. fly him over and parachute him in. and then kill him. he could be the inaugural member of the new terror five passport program. let him go. i don t know, eric holder will give him a curfew or work furlough. this is the exact problem. this is someone who was here and committed acts of terror against the united states. workplace violence. that s the problem. somebody throw the semantics flag down. i stepped out of line. let s call it what is it. nobody is here. they are already here. the air strikes take him and dump him out of the airplane. a lot of those hard cores have gone over there. whether you agree with bombing or not they are all there. they are never going to get a passport to get back any place. to that point which is important, i ll bring you in on this one jena, this is the problem with snowden in my view is if you have people with passports going back and forth, we compromised the programs that monitored these people. they know they are being monitored. so now the communication structure amongst these radicals has changed and we owe that to snowden and glenn greenwald. to an extent. to a huge extent. still, all these people are in one place and the key here is we re not doing anything about it. you can throw bombs in. if you want to scatter foreign policy with respect to your approaches it does nothing. before you have a foreign policy you need military success. we won the balkan war doing the same thing. you re dealing with terrorists. serbs weren t terrorists? that will get me in trouble with the serbs. the president is getting it from both the right and left after admitting he has no tragedy to defeat isis. bob, you ll love the next segment. we just indict. we re going in a different direction. we ll answer questions you have about us as long as you don t bring up that incident at arby s. facebook.com/thefivefnc. dentures are very different to real teeth. they re about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. that s why i recommend polident. 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[ grunts ] oh, oh, i m the bad guy? you threw a fish at us, so, yeah. yeah. coverage for land and sea. now, that s progressive. in case you haven t heard yet president obama doesn t know what to do about isis and he let the whole world know that yesterday. we will continue to consult with congress and i do think that it will be important for congress to weigh in and our consultations with congress will continue to develop so that the american people are part of the debate. but i don t want to put the cart before the horse. we don t have a strategy yet. oops. now a lot of people are letting him know that it wasn t such a good idea. this guy is coming off a teleprompter. it s dangerous when he comes off a telefronter and did what he did today and tells our enemies we don t have a strategy. that s problem with this issue, the president hasn t been able to put forth a coherent strategy. this is an extraordinary admission coming from the leader of the world s most powerful nation. you know, as such, megan, it s embarrassing, also. and that was a little special something for bob beckel, because did you see that? your buddy. i did. i guess we don t have enough writers today. i know it s holiday time. we wrote the same segment twice. if you we re giving you a mulligan like the president wish he had. he was talking about sir why. i m done. why don t we side-by-side cameron and obama and look at how the world would see the both of them. i looked into that, 45 second sound on tape. side-by-side, what obama said yesterday, what cameron said. i want to be side-by-side with that woman he was with down on south africa. jena. people who were defending obama were saying well he doesn t want to lay all his cards out on the table. i m thinking to myself this is a guy who has been talking about shouting from the roof tops no boots on the ground when it comes to iraq. he lays his cards on the table. he doesn t know. there s massive miscommunication within the administration. he knows one person is saying one thing, another person is saying another. a year ago he was on record saying a strategy needed to be implemented. he wait ad whole year and did nothing. we had a pentagon official saying one thing and then hagel saying another thing and in 24 hours he s ignoring military advice. they have less territory today than they had a week ago. they have an airport which gives them leverage. they don t have a dam. they don t have the sandbox. they don t have the dam. they embedded themselves in the populations. let s not kid ourselves. they are the step child of hamas. they are using the same tactics. these guys are not going away and the blurred lines on the syrian border which is why we should be joining with israel and get rid of hamas and isis. this has happened before. twice in history. two previous ideological death cuts, nazism and communism. it took a while for people to decide this was evil. the reason why it took so long because of the fear of appearing uncool or mean. this is how i understand isis. that elliot rogers the loser who rampaged in santa barbara and he killed these people because he was a romantic reject. that s isis. isis is a movement of sexual losers. channelling their misery into violence. it is what they are. hence the allure of the virgin promise. jihad is cool when they think they will get something. there s an e-mail going around making the exact point. all the woman on next tuesday should take off their clothes. if a muslim guy sees a woman naked that s not his wife is supposed to commit suicide. if they kill me i ll convert. i have advice for women don t die virgin, there will be terrorists waiting four. i ll just throw that out there. i think the worry about president obama and i think it s that you publicly telegraphed weakness. years ago when he tried to appease certain members of the world that we were bad and he did that terribly. if he did that in public what did he do privately. what messages did he convey privately. remember the message he conveyed to the russians. about flexibility. who knows what our enemies were thinking based on what he suggested? 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let s go to ed. ed, you always like to be on tv. reporter: i thought you were going to play a clip. why when we can have the real thing. go ahead. reporter: i pressed josh earnest about it. the president is doing fundraising today, and remember last week he was playing golf right after the statement about james foley being beheaded. he took a lot of grief about that not just from republicans but democrats. i pressed josh earnest one day after saying you don t have a strategy to deal with isis why are you raising campaign money. he said the president is jug alligator lot of thing not national security. he s head of the democratic party. he has a big mid-term election. presidents in both parties raise gobs of money. he has a national security team he relies on. the optics might be something that blows up in the president s face. beyond the optics is anything coming out of the pentagon after this? typically we get a pentagon briefer. have they responded? reporter: one interesting thing that s emerging is one of the things the president said yesterday that didn t get as much attention as the no strategy comment is that he said one of the delays, if you will, one of the reasons why he doesn t have a plan to present to the american people and congress for authorization he said is that the pentagon hasn t finished their work, he s still waiting on them to put these plans together. admiral john kirby did have a briefing today and said look the u.s. military is always ready. we re always putting together plans and when the commander-in-chief says go we ll be ready with plan. i don t want to overplay that but there seems there s a little bit of a rift don t forget who runs the pentagon, chuck hagel who a week ago said isis is a bigger threat than al qaeda pre-9/11. so is the president not on the same page with his cabinet. he insisted they are singing from the song sheet. it seems interesting the president blaming the military, the pentagon for not having a plan ready when folks over there said we ll be ready when he says go. we were taking that live today and waiting for you to couple because let s get some tough questions and sure enough you did ask them. we re still left wondering what s the president s plan because it s even more disconcerting, the disconnect between administration, the cabinet, the dod, pentagon, all of the above, nobody seems to be quite on the same page which isn t something going to instill confidence in the american people when it seems like everything is a mess there. they can t agree on even whether or not isis is a credible threat. david cameron took the position there, he has no plob calliroblg it what is it. reporter: david cameron cut short his vacation after the beheading of james foley. he an emergency meeting at 10 downing street. maybe that was for show. people will judge what they will. next week david cameron who as you say came out pretty strong tough today and president obama who had that rough news conference yesterday they are going to be together next week in europe. there s a nato summit in wales and the president s european allies, merkel and others trying to sort out not just the future in terms of battling isis but this crisis in ukraine and vladimir putin continuing to thumb his nose at the president and our european allies. ed, i got to say, listening to you, it reminds me of what a good journalist you are on one hand. on the other hand, like the weatherman, a chance of rain. reporter: you got to come up with a new line. i want to congratulate you on something. you re the first person i ve seen who says it right. they don t have a strategy yet on syria. i want to congratulate you. now, the other question i got for you. is it really do you think that they are off the page as much as it hooks like or in fact obama doesn t want to do this? in other words what i m saying he doesn t want to be in syria. that s been clear from the beginning. is he fighting his own people? reporter: i think, yes, because look one year ago this very weekend the president was also on intelligent of u.s. strikes in syria. he pulled back. he said i believe i have the power to go it alone. i was giving the order to general dempsey but decided to go to congress to get a consensus. republicans charged he wanted to hide behind congress and didn t want to go forward because remember that vote in the house of commons had gone down and the president was thinking maybe this is not so popular maybe i shouldn t go forward. they reject that here at the white house. you raise an important point. this is a president who came to power running against war, the thing he s wanted to do is to go back into iraq and that s why there s now been 110 u.s. air strikes. the pentagon tells us today that that s $7.5 million in taxpayer dollars. he s going in there in a limited way in iraq even though he didn t want to and in syria, you re right going back a year ago he was reluctant to get drawn into this civil war. that s the reason for his reluctance. we have to point that out. you re right to note. no one has easy answers in syria. if you go in there and battle isis what you might do is just help assad andat dictator s hand. two real quick questions, ed. good to see you as always. reporter: good to see you. can t wait to get together with you later for drinks my place. could president obama s plan be no plan and that s the plan which causes isis to get cocky and through their cockiness get sloppy. two, when will president obama be impeached? reporter: the second one i don t know anything about. in terms of a misdirection i doubt the president was trying to misdirect isis. i think clearly they believe he has a strong plan to deal with isis in iraq. syria based on his own comments yesterday is a big question mark what he wants to do there. what was remarkable about yesterday s use conference was that you rarely see a president of either party come out and just basically open up and say i don t really know what i m going to do. usually they come out i got a plan. that s why he s being criticized. others say he s being direct. he s being blunt. ed, what do you think the next step is for this administration? this has been a public relations nightmare. barack obama himself came out a year ago expressed a need for a strategy. a year later there s no strategy. reporter: it s going long road back. there was a news conference here at the white house august of 2013, check the transcript today and the president got a question about you say al qaeda, al qaeda has been decimated but other terror groups like al qaeda are popping up. the president said look this is a big threat, it s a regional threat for now but we need to put together a strategy, something we ll do. that was a year ago. so when the president yesterday was sort of suggesting give us some time this is a more recent threat, a year ago he and others were talking about it and still no strategy. ed, there s no strategy on isis. we ought to get into that. we got to go here. we need to do another segment on it. straight ahead, facebook friday. facebook free for all, 90 questions i know on my facebook. questions i know on my facebook. 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remarkable person, congratulations, ai great cause did she go out and play sf she could. she probably could. yes. she didn t play. i did the hit trasy campaign in the 90s of her. and so great lady. kimberly, you re a great lady, too. thank you. a special occasion here at fox news channel, two fantastic americans today celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary. can you guess? there they are. former vice president dick cheney and his beautiful wife, lynn, celebrating their golden anniversary there they are in 1964. very sweet. special day. i hope you re spending it with family, and together. and thank you for your dedication to the country. 50 years. amazing. very sweet. jedadiah? i have an amazing video. a little boy was not happy when he found out his mom was having another baby. check out what he had to say about it. i m pregnant. what are you thinking? why have you to get another baby? you just had two. you just going to have another brother or sister. that you have to take care of and help take care of. smart kid, can we run him for president? he is strapped in, in his car seat. i love how his sister, at one point they ask what do you think? she looks there and the brother is looking at her like what? that is what my brother and sister would say. you ve got two to take care of. i think that that was staged you re a cynic. you re cynical about everything. i m here to ruin everybody s one more thing. a lot of people heard about bowe bergdahl. there is a big tournament in kansas, a tenant darren andrews was killed. it s about darren s family. for those of you that don t remember, his vehicle was hit by an ied. the guys got out of the vehicle, he turned around, and saw an rpg being fired and super manned himself to save his soldiers. pushing him out of the way. so september 1st. i can t ruin that one. that is a good one. don t forget to catch our labor day special. have a great holiday weekend. good evening and welcome to a special the kelly file investigation. justice for all in ferguson. i m megyn kelly. just before noon on saturday august 9th a series of events unfolded in the town of ferguson, missouri, that would push the st. louis suburb into the national spotlight and reignite a fierce national debate on race, police and the use of deadly force. officer darren wilson had an encounter with 18-year-old michael brown, and a second young man. by the end mike brown was shot dead in the streets in what some call a murder and wilson calls self-defense. in the weeks that followed the story exploded into an ugly spectacle of looting and