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Nicky Campbell

belarus. there was a rumour that he will be going — belarus. there was a rumour that he will be going to _ belarus. there was a rumour that he will be going to africa, _ belarus. there was a rumour that he will be going to africa, where - belarus. there was a rumour that he will be going to africa, where he - will be going to africa, where he will be going to africa, where he will really — will be going to africa, where he will really be _ will be going to africa, where he will really be out _ will be going to africa, where he will really be out of _ will be going to africa, where he will really be out of action - will be going to africa, where he will really be out of action and l will really be out of action and pretty— will really be out of action and pretty far— will really be out of action and pretty far away _ will really be out of action and pretty far away. but _ will really be out of action and pretty far away. but my - will really be out of action and pretty far away. but my sensej will really be out of action and . pretty far away. but my sense is that the — pretty far away. but my sense is that the russian _ pretty far away. but my sense is that the russian leadership - pretty far away. but my sense is that the russian leadership hasl pretty far away. but my sense is i that the russian leadership has not worked _ that the russian leadership has not worked out — that the russian leadership has not worked out what _ that the russian leadership has not worked out what to _ that the russian leadership has not worked out what to do _ that the russian leadership has not worked out what to do with - that the russian leadership has not worked out what to do with him, i that the russian leadership has not. worked out what to do with him, and they are _ worked out what to do with him, and they are pursuing _ worked out what to do with him, and they are pursuing both _ worked out what to do with him, and they are pursuing both options - they are pursuing both options simultaneously, _ they are pursuing both options simultaneously, seeing- they are pursuing both options simultaneously, seeing how. they are pursuing both options - simultaneously, seeing how powerful he is in _ simultaneously, seeing how powerful he is in reality — simultaneously, seeing how powerful he is in reality. if— simultaneously, seeing how powerful he is in reality-— he is in reality. if they can, or if ou he is in reality. if they can, or if you can. _ he is in reality. if they can, or if you can. putin _ he is in reality. if they can, or if you can, putin will— he is in reality. if they can, or if you can, putin will kill - he is in reality. if they can, or if you can, putin will kill him, - he is in reality. if they can, or if i you can, putin will kill him, won't he? q you can, putin will kill him, won't he? .,i ., .,i . he? putin might offer him an office with a very — he? putin might offer him an office with a very big _ he? putin might offer him an office with a very big window— he? putin might offer him an office with a very big window and - he? putin might offer him an office with a very big window and a - with a very big window and a balcony. i with a very big window and a balcon . ., �* ~i with a very big window and a balcon . ., �* ,, , ., balcony. i don't think he is going to kill him, _ balcony. i don't think he is going to kill him, because _ balcony. i don't think he is going to kill him, because he - balcony. i don't think he is going to kill him, because he is- balcony. i don't think he is going | to kill him, because he is useful, and prigozhin _ to kill him, because he is useful, and prigozhin also _ to kill him, because he is useful, and prigozhin also has _ to kill him, because he is useful, and prigozhin also has quite - to kill him, because he is useful, and prigozhin also has quite a . to kill him, because he is useful, and prigozhin also has quite a lot of assets — and prigozhin also has quite a lot of assets to— and prigozhin also has quite a lot of assets to become _ and prigozhin also has quite a lot of assets to become if— and prigozhin also has quite a lot of assets to become if not - and prigozhin also has quite a lot of assets to become if not a - and prigozhin also has quite a lot. of assets to become if not a future leader— of assets to become if not a future leader of— of assets to become if not a future leader of russia, _ of assets to become if not a future leader of russia, becomes - of assets to become if not a future i leader of russia, becomes somebody who can _ leader of russia, becomes somebody who can lead — leader of russia, becomes somebody who can lead a — leader of russia, becomes somebody who can lead a significant _ leader of russia, becomes somebody who can lead a significant part- leader of russia, becomes somebody who can lead a significant part of- who can lead a significant part of russian — who can lead a significant part of russian society. _ who can lead a significant part of russian society. 50, _ who can lead a significant part of russian society. 50, yes, - who can lead a significant part of russian society. 50, yes, he - who can lead a significant part of russian society. 50, yes, he will| who can lead a significant part of. russian society. 50, yes, he will be a powerful— russian society. 50, yes, he will be

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Nicky Campbell

alarming sides of troops and road blocks, that the central paradox of the putin era that his popularity is a self reinforcing, perception of power created a reality, so as far as we know anything about public opinion, how might that be shaped by this? ~ , , . ., this? well, this is the central feature of — this? well, this is the central feature of the _ this? well, this is the central feature of the whole - this? well, this is the central feature of the whole putin . this? well, this is the central - feature of the whole putin system, that he has this tremendous popularity, which comes up in any opinion poll, sometimes up in the near 80%, very rarely dropping below 50%, and people like to say from that, well, he is very popular. what it really means is that he is very powerful, and if the top guy is in charge and you ask, what do you think of the top guy, you say, he is great. if he is no longer in charge, you probably do not say that, but thatis you probably do not say that, but that is the sort of society russia is, and when prigozhin was on the up and was taking control of rostov—on—don, this vitally important, big city in southern

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Nicky Campbell

a powerful ally~ _ russian society. 50, yes, he will be a powerful ally. and _ russian society. 50, yes, he will be a powerful ally. and also _ russian society. 50, yes, he will be a powerful ally. and also a - russian society. 50, yes, he will be a powerful ally. and also a very - a powerful ally. and also a very unpleasant, _ a powerful ally. and also a very unpleasant, active, _ a powerful ally. and also a very unpleasant, active, daring - a powerful ally. and also a very unpleasant, active, daring andl unpleasant, active, daring and risk-taking _ unpleasant, active, daring and risk—taking enemy, _ unpleasant, active, daring and risk—taking enemy, so - unpleasant, active, daring and risk—taking enemy, so there . unpleasant, active, daring and i risk—taking enemy, so there are people — risk—taking enemy, so there are people who _ risk—taking enemy, so there are people who will _ risk—taking enemy, so there are people who will make _ risk—taking enemy, so there are people who will make him - risk—taking enemy, so there are people who will make him play. risk—taking enemy, so there are - people who will make him play along, rather— people who will make him play along, rather than _ people who will make him play along, rather than antagonising _ people who will make him play along, rather than antagonising him - rather than antagonising him further~ _ rather than antagonising him further. �* , ., rather than antagonising him further. �, ., ., ., rather than antagonising him further. �, ., .,., , further. let's go to our callers, it is treat further. let's go to our callers, it is great hearing _ further. let's go to our callers, it is great hearing from _ further. let's go to our callers, it is great hearing from you - further. let's go to our callers, it is great hearing from you this - is great hearing from you this morning. renata, originally from poland, what would you like to say? oh, hello, good morning, it isjust my personal— oh, hello, good morning, it isjust my personal view. i do think we will soon _ my personal view. i do think we will soon find _ my personal view. i do think we will soon find out, it was unexpected and it lasted _ soon find out, it was unexpected and it lasted 24 _ soon find out, it was unexpected and it lasted 24 hours, and it is really hard _ it lasted 24 hours, and it is really hard to— it lasted 24 hours, and it is really hard to believe that it was serious. the system — hard to believe that it was serious. the system is so unforgiving and built _ the system is so unforgiving and built on— the system is so unforgiving and built on spite and lack of trust, is a really— built on spite and lack of trust, is a really hard to believe. it built on spite and lack of trust, is a really hard to believe.— a really hard to believe. a set up to what end? —

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