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round. is it enough if he has a so-called blind trust but knows everything inside, if he knows it's trump tower and the post office building and he is not actually divesting? >> no. he has got to divest. so it's a multi-stage process. st one, sign it over. one stroke of a pen to an end pend enter trustee. the trustee figurines out throu a private he cequity how to con those assets into money. he breaks the operations link and he breaks the interest link. step three, he takes that money. he hides it behind the ethics wall. he buys other things that trump doesn't know about. trump is totally out. >> next question is about something that we get so messed up about in our politics and certainly in the media, which is that everyone is evil, everything is a bad thing, everything is about whether

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