Administrators of targeting saying we must protect free speech and dissent. and ilhan omar is now denying these protests have anything to do with jewish people. no, no, no. it s only about being antiwar. there has been lies and targeting and harassment against antiwar protesters because it s been pro-war antiwar protesters. joining me now is stephen miller senior adviser to president trump and founder of america first legal. steven, leave it to the squad. just say, nothing to do have w. israel and antiwar. what do you say to that? when you accuse jews for genocide for engaging in self-defense, it is one of the most monstrous libels i can possibly imagine. this is a military action against a terrorist army.
Mobilisation problem and your government doesn t appear able to solve it? if you don t have shells, if you re outmanned and outgunned, it s difficult to incentivise people to be mobilised. but still ukrainian people show very strong resilience and resolve to fight. so what we are asking right now, we are asking for the tools, and these tools will definitely boost the morale of the ukrainian people. so this is the recipe. that s what s on the table. there s a huge controversy in your country about whether those who enlist should be given a finite period of active service. the new legislation avoided ensuring that nobody serves more than three years before being rotated out. many families of those currently serving, who have had no break since february 2022, say that if you do not give a term limit to fighting service, more and more young ukrainians will do everything
On the table. if you don t get it, will ukraine lose this war? and could it lose this war by the end of 202a? no. let me put it bluntly. without the best in support, chances of ukraine to prevail in this war are very, very, very low. period. and this is the joint fight for the democracy and actually for the survival of the ukrainian state. so, once again, it all depends on the unity of the western world and whether the western world is ready to fight for ukraine. because ukraine is fighting for the western world and for the values of the western world. we don t ask. well, we would be happy to see military boots on the ground in ukraine, but at least, uh, we urge our western friends to supply weapons to ukraine, to give the ukrainian military, uh, the real tools to win this war. give us the tools and we will fight. just one more thought on this.
And we will fight. just one more thought on this. because i want to turn to internal affairs in a second. but one more thought on this. if the us doesn t come up with the assistance package you want, do you have any confidence that the europeans could fill that hole? let me put it bluntly. i m not sure that the european union right now is capable of filling the gap. and that means you don t take too seriously, then, emmanuel macron, who says nothing is off the table. he even suggested at some point that possibly french european troops could be seen in ukraine. you don t believe there s been a serious mind shift in europe? well, uh, the good thing is that president macron at least articulated this. and, uh, but actions matter more than words. so i believe that the european union is to ramp up its military production and, uh, to supply everything that is needed for the ukrainian military to fight.
The european union assistance. but would you accept that right now you have a massive mobilisation problem and your government doesn t appear able to solve it? if you don t have shells, if you re outmanned and outgunned, it s difficult to incentivise people to be mobilised. but still ukrainian people show very strong resilience and resolve to fight. so what we are asking right now, we are asking for the tools, and these tools will definitely boost the morale of the ukrainian people. so this is the recipe. that s what s on the table. there s a huge controversy in your country about whether those who enlist should be given a finite period of active service. the new legislation avoided ensuring that nobody serves more than three years before being rotated out. many families of those currently serving, who have had no break since february 2022, say that if you do not give a term limit to fighting service, more and more young ukrainians will do everything in their power
Almost out of time. when we last spoke in the weeks after february 24th, 2022, you said, quote, we will have victory or death. this is an existential issue. are you now, more than two years later, prepared to say to me, there may have to be something less black and white than victory or death, that there may, in the end, have to be some sort of painful deal done with moscow that involves concessions? ukraine will prevail in this war. ukraine will get nato and eu membership. the free world is to win this righteous fight. there is no other option on the table, steven. and this is ourjoint fight for the future of the humanity. i am not exaggerating. we have to end there. arseni yatsenyuk, i thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you, stephen.
Because i want to turn to internal affairs in a second. but one more thought on this. if the us doesn t come up with the assistance package you want, do you have any confidence that the europeans could fill that hole? let me put it bluntly. i m not sure that the european union right now is capable of filling the gap. and that means you don t take too seriously, then, emmanuel macron, who says nothing is off the table. he even suggested at some point that possibly french european troops could be seen in ukraine. you don t believe there s been a serious mind shift in europe? well, uh, the good thing is that president macron at least articulated this. and, uh, but actions matter more than words. so i believe that the european union is to ramp up its military production and, uh, to supply everything that is needed for the ukrainian military to fight. and france, which is right now the seventh, if i m not
After february 24th, 2022, you said, quote, we will have victory or death. this is an existential issue. are you now, more than two years later, prepared to say to me, there may have to be something less black and white than victory or death, that there may, in the end, have to be some sort of painful deal done with moscow that involves concessions? ukraine will prevail in this war. ukraine will get nato and eu membership. the free world is to win this righteous fight. there is no other option on the table, steven. and this is ourjoint fight for the future of the humanity. i am not exaggerating. we have to end there. arseni yatsenyuk, i thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you, stephen.
You talk about the $60 billion package that biden put on the table. if you don t get it, will ukraine lose this war? and could it lose this war by the end of 202a? no. let me put it bluntly. without the best in support, chances of ukraine to prevail in this war are very, very, very low. period. and this is the joint fight for the democracy and actually for the survival of the ukrainian state. so, once again, it all depends on the unity of the western world and whether the western world is ready to fight for ukraine. because ukraine is fighting for the western world and for the values of the western world. we don t ask. well, we would be happy to see military boots on the ground in ukraine, but at least, uh, we urge our western friends to supply weapons to ukraine, to give the ukrainian military, uh, the real tools to win this war. give us the tools