Security and defense. we ve heard all week from various leaders that the situation needs to de-escalate and we just heard them reiterating that despite israel launching that attack. you can imagine in the uk and capitals across the world, they are holding their breath to see what happens next. clearly, the hope has been that any response by israel to what happened over the weekend would be limited and targeted to an extent that iran, if it chooses to respond, does sue does so in a less significant way and that both sides could perhaps see some kind of latter to de- escalate those tensions but obviously, it s high stakes poker and it could clearly go
nobody would change my mind, not even my mama. if you were on the trump a jury which is a he s innocent or guilty? he is innocent. guilty because he is guilty. guilty of what? guilty of being a new yorker? american? i don t care, guilty. aren t you innocent until proven guilty? unless you re a piece of [ bleep ]. anyway to get rid of him? oleh give because, it s because i hate him. do you think that he can get a fair trial in new york? sue and you cannot get a fair trial anywhere in the united states of america so. you want a fair trial go to russia. at rush if you re listening. he stuck in manhattan, have to deal with new yorkers. at the judges a democratic, biden paid the judges family and 99 percent of the voter pool voted for biden the. you [ bleep ] kidding me right now? biden paid the judges family?
Nbc news colleagues and as other people in the courtrooman saw their own footage, there began to be gasps and a hush fell over the crowd, so we were aware of the incident outside the courthouse. just at the very t last moments before coming out and coming to see you. this is obviously a much different conversation than i think sue and i anticipated we would be having with you, even as recently as five minutes ago, chris. you know, right as we learned that they had a jury, right, that the jury was impanelled, that s exactly the moment it started tot spread through the overflow room. the judge did not mention it. they re going to be back this afternoon as far as i understand. it happened right at that moment. it was just unbelievable news that spread right through the courtroom. you re absolutely right on the timing because we went to yasmin vossoughian to ask her about merchan saying we have our full panel, and she noticed it was happening out of the corner of her eye and was able to narrate it in a realtime, and
Know, the judge is not going to say i don t care. so i m sure those conversations, there s a head person who s in charge of the court officers and there s going to be a supervisors and a conversation. this may have had nothing whatsoever to do with former president trump, but it s still a very concerning incident that happened literally across the building from where he is at. catherine, charles, lisa, sue, i can t imagine better people to have this conversation with, and our thanks to yasmin vossoughian. again, we re going to continue our coverage of this breaking news that is happening just as judge juan merchans of merchan was announcing they had a full jury, 12 jurors and six alternates, outside the courthouse, a person set themselves on fire which immediately brought a huge response. now the question is just about an hour from now when the lunch break is expected to be over, what will happen, what will this
To? here. the person you pointed to was e. jean carroll. they can grab women by the [ bleep ] if you look over the last million years, i guess that s been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. you consider yourself to be a star. i think you can say that, yeah. and now you said before, couple minutes ago, that this was locker room talk. locker room talk. does that mean you didn t really mean it? no, it s locker room talk. i don t know. it s just the way people talk. we are back with vaughn, neil, sue, and rev. that s what he s like on the stand under oath. vaughn hillyard, mail-in ballots, quote, i think they re dishonest. mail-in ballots are very dishonest. isn t it true that you vote by mail? yep, i do, i do.
And you wonder, they ve got 12 and 6 now. you do have to wonder going forward what s going to happen. and now outside, you know, right in front of where we are, this man lit himself on fire. it s packed right now with police and people and onlookers. imagine that you are now a juror on this case. sue, the jurors who are still there who have just been chosen, the alternate jurors it s not clear to us whether the jurors can leave the building or whether they re having lunch provided for them. presumably their day is now over
He went to this location because this is a spot where he ll get attention for whatever his issue is. he could burn himself up behind a warehouse in newark, and it s not going to make the news. it s not going to be on the news. when he goes to the trump trial, just like going to the front of the white house or the capitol and the supreme court or an embassy, and you set yourself on fire like a man did two months ago at the israeli embassy in washington, d.c. to protest the war in gaza, lit himself on fire and died. so that s why they re attracted to these locations. it may not have anything to do with trump or the trump trial at all. it may. it could. it also could be the location of the center of attention of the country in the world. whether it does or not, yasmin, as we were discussing with our lawyers and the folks on scene, lisa and sue earlier, the question is what impact this will have on the trial, what impact will it have on that
What donald trump s not there as an observer, sitting there, you know, supporting a friend and dozes off. this is him, and he can t stay woke. so who s the sleepy old man? i got to tell you, that courtroom is cold. it was warm earlier this week, but it is so cold. i m wear a jacket in there. the should keep him awake. right. the argument from this side monday was it was so warm, everybody was tired. i hate he was more asleep on monday than he has been. he was in more like a rem-like sleep. now i got to nothing against him. i sleep everywhere but here. no one s going anywhere. i want to remind everyone what trump looks like on the stand. it s not pretty. so however this hearing turns out i imagine they re studying this tape i m going to show you. also ahead we ll talk more about that terrifying scene vaughn and sue were talking about just outside the courthouse and what it means for the start of an ex-american president s first-ever criminal trial. the first time this has happened from a security perspective as
Records. and i think that he can be a very damaging witness and damaging politically for trump when you ve got a guy saying i did business with him, to bury things, and that can have some serious indications on what s going on in 2024. this is the kind of guy he is. but i agree with neil. i don t think donald trump would go on that stand if you had the court officers lift him out the chair and put him there because he doesn t want to ever have to answer direct questions. right. don t forget if they not only would say have you ever committed a fraud or have you done this with banks, they can say but haven t you been found guilty of that? i mean, so you re going to call other jurors liars in new york? how could he get on the stand and admit that? he s going to huff and puff, the lawyers, hold me back, that s all he s going to do. he also catching up on some sleep. let me read you today s reporting from sue s colleague,
Call into question the credibility of the witnesses. we should use prior trial determinations by juries and judges to be able to, therefore, question the defendant donald trump. yeah. and neil is with us. and neil, as i was asking the question, the control room informed me that we just learned that monday morning judge marchand will have the ruling on all of what vaughn and sue are talking about. but this dynamic and again, we often cover it in the political context about credibility, particularly of michael cohen, is usually in reaction to a smear from donald trump. in this case in front of a jury, michael cohen is a fact witness, but there are a bunch of other things that we know that alvin bragg did to corroborate those facts. and it seems reasonable when credibility attacks our known tomb tool, legal one of