punishment doesn t fit. thanks so much to everyone who responded. it s been great seeing you this morning. don t forget our facebook page #keeptalking. fox & friends starts now. bye. good morning. it is thursday, november 20. i m elisabeth hasselbeck. we begin with a fox news alert. students huddle in fear as a shooter runs loose at florida state university. stay where you are. if anybody has been shot call 911 on your cell phone. breaking news on the victims and gunmen straight ahead. the president about to drop a political bombshell, bypassing congress on immigration. republicans call it illegal, but the white house calls it something else. that is something republicans are critical of. that may be a criticism that the president wears with a badge of honor. badge of honor? a live report from washington, d.c. in moments. this obamacare architect called the american people stupid and got paid millions to do it. one state fighting to get the money back but there is a catch. it is going to cost you to get the money back that should have been yours in the first place. fox & friends begins right now. it s time for fox & friends . we are a week from turkey day. panicked a bit. what s the most difficult item you re going to be cooking? you ve got to get everything timed up. brining that turkey. brian is off this morning. i m clayton in for him. hope brian is enjoying the day off. thank you for joining us this morning. we have this for you now. while you were sleeping a gunman opened fire inside the florida state university library packed with students. breaking details coming in right now. leah gabriel is following all of them for us. good morning to you, leah. what can you tell us? good morning, guys. dozens of students were studying for midterms when this terrifying announcement comes over the speaker. listen. this has been a shooting in the library. stay where you are. you can see the students taking shelter, many abandoning their computers and backpacks. some even boarding up desks as the horrifying scene played out. a freshman was in his dorm room when he heard the shots ring out. we heard a gunshot and got a texas message saying there was a got a text message saying there was a shooting. you hear about all these shootings and then it just happened. the gunman injured three people before campus police confronted him outside the building. they ordered him to drop his gun but instead he fired at them. officers then shot and killed him. at this hour no word on a motive. we have just learned that classes have been canceled this morning. clayton, steve, elisabeth, back to you. we thank you very much. a lot happening overnight as well. heather nauert joins us. let s start on the west coast where there was a massive home explosion and now it is being treated as a crime scene. a drug lab is being eyed in this explosion. it was so strong that the walls of this home crumbled to the ground. d.e.a. agents are now collecting evidence at this house in san bernardino county. one man found dead in the basement. two others pulled from the rubble. they suffered severe burns. both are now in critical condition. al sharpton says he is pred did i to protest no matter ready to protest no matter what the grand jury decides in ferguson, planning vigils and protests in two dozen cities once the decision is announced. his demonstrators will show up in federal buildings he says to demand federal prosecutors take over that case. sharpton says his group is on, quote, high alert. jonathan gruber, you know him, he called you stupid and he laughed all the way to the bank. now one of those banks is dloasing closing up. americans are too stupid [inaudible] the state of vermont is now terminating gruber s contract as an imoarm obamacare consultant. his contract has been terminated but he s expected to stay on through january to complete his work, although that part of it will be unpaid. one of motown s most memorable voices is now gone. what becomes of the broken hearted such a great classic song. his name is jimmy ruffin. he was best known for what becomes of the broken hearted. he has died. last months there were reports he was seriously ill and in intensive care. jimmy ruffin was 78 years old. thank you very much. he leaves behind a lot of great music. meanwhile, the president of the united states tonight is going to test the constitutional limits of being president. he s going to bypass congress completely and give an executive order on immigration. this is big. that s why we have roused james rosen, our fox news chief washington correspondent to fill us in on the details. james. it is big. good morning to you, steve, elisabeth and clayton. in tonight s prime time address the president is expected to announce deferred action. that means a reprieve from deportation for up to five million illegal immigrants. these are parents of children who are here legally or who themselves may have been brought here as children. the move comes almost two years after the president used a speech at a high school in las vegas to challenge republicans to enact immigration reform. it will be at that same high school that president obama will return to sign his executive order. what i m going to be laying out is the things that i can do with my lawful authority as president to make the system work better even as i continue to work with congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem. the president s order will also likely expand visas for high-tech workers and contain some measures aimed at beefing up border security. after the president did this last time, we saw all those children come to the border. understand this, many of those children never made it here because they were killed along the way. other children were tortured. others were raped. it is the united states and the president would be an accomplice to the inhumane way that the people would be treated who come here or try to come here because of the order. leading republicans say they are already reviewing options for challenging this order in court. james, thank you very much. the president is going to make his statement tonight at 8:00 p.m. apparently the white house asked the networks do you mind if we have ten minutes of time. the networks said no, it is a busy thursday night. so the president will be appearing on you ll see him on fox news, plus the 15th annual latin grammys will be delayed by 15 minutes so they can have it live on univision. they chose it tonight because of the latin grammys. they know this night they have a large latin audience on television. oh wait, the president is on, we ll have to wait for the grammys. it is going to be in nevada where in nevada they have a great population of illegal immigrants. i thought the president said don t go to vegas. remember that? he said a lot of things. republicans are firing back. we re going to have judge napolitano on the show a little bit later. they re coming for you, steve. to break down the legality of this. judge napolitano, a great constitutional scholar will be here to break that down. meanwhile ted cruz said this is absolutely illegal. take a listen. we are unfortunately witnessing a constitutional crisis. what president obama is doing is defying the law, defying the constitution. the president quite rightly said a few weeks ago his policies were on the ballot over the country. this was a referendum on amnesty and the american people said no we don t want lawless amnesty. i m sorry to say president obama s reaction is defiant and it is angry. of course probably alluding to the midterm elections where the president said his policies were on the ballot. he is specifically alluding to the violations in the constitution that requires the president to take care to execute the laws as they are written in article 1 section 8, gives u.s. congress, not the president, the authority to enact immigration policy. highlights on that today. presidents for decades have used executive actions like this to do stuff but never before has it been so broad where a president has used prosecutorial discretion which means he tells the department of justice let s not enforce the law. you know what? that guy at the podium in brings lane last week who is in brisbane last week who is going to be making the announcement tonight, he considers, at least josh earnest says it, to be a badge of honor to people he made a promise to. here s mr. earnest. we ve heard rhetoric about lawlessness from house republicans for some time. a statement reefd to emperor obama. the president is somebody willing to examine the law, use the law and use every element of that law to make progress for the american people. and if that is something republicans are critical of, that may be a criticism that the president wears with a badge of honor. the president was criticizing himself. remember he said i m the president of the united states, not the emperor of the united states. remember he said all these things that are about to follow. do you have any videotape? i do. the biggest problem that we re facing right now has to do with george bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through congress at all. with respect to the notion that i can just suspend deportations through executive order, that s just not the case. i know some people want me to bypass congress and change the laws on my own, but that s not how that s not how our system works. if in fact i could solve all these problems without passing laws in congress, then i would do so. but we re also a nation of laws. that s part of our tradition. in that univision debate the president specifically said this notion that i can suspend deportation under executive action is just not true. you just can t do that. but now the white house saying there s been a long line of republicans that have done this so this gives us the ability to do that. george h.w. bush granted amnesty stopping deportation to a million illegal immigrants. even the white house saying this goes back to ronald reagan doing the same thing, i have the authority to do it. there is a fellow who addressed that because i ve heard that argument a lot lately. it s wrong for this reason, clayton. they say when reagan and bush sr. both did it, none of the programs were that big. they say none of them transformed the major policy debate of the day and the other thing is it was never used as blackmail against congress to get them to do something they didn t want to do. essentially what they were doing was mopping up stuff from the original amnesty in 86. it cleaned things up. but that was passed by congress. this is just getting shoved down people s throats. and the opinions of americans regarding what the president is about to do, i don t think the white house is going to like this. a plurality of americans, more americans oppose it than approve it. make no mistake, americans are behind doing something about immigration, but having the president go it alone, we don t like it. it s not the what. it s the how. americans have seen dictatorship and it doesn t go well. they ve seen emperors. they don t want our nation to be a nation run by an emperor or dictator and that is what that survey is indicating. why not put it before congress? you re going to have battles before the republican party. a good opportunity to stake your claim there. that is what they re there for, to do stuff like this. up next, we wanted to know what you think about executive action on illegals. we re going to reveal the results coming up next. world war ii rifles being removed from a museum. what? the reason, background checks need to be done on them, yes, we re serious. no mom in the history of moms has ever turned down a handmade ornament. this week at bass pro shops santa s wonderland kids can get their picture with santa, make a stuffed reindeer ornament, and during the week, get a collectible back pack clip, all for free. welcome back. todayed president will announce his plan to move forward with immigration reform alone. so what does the american public think about this? leigh carter joins us now to weigh these sound bites with some dials. nice to see you this morning. let s get the president on tape here talking about executive action and we ll get your analysis. take a listen. i indicated to speaker boehner several months ago that if in fact congress failed to act i would use all the lawful authority that i possess to try to make the system work better. and that s going to happen. that s going to happen before the end of the year. seems like a flat line in the middle. what s going on? people didn t react the way i thought. i thought people would react really negatively and say i don t think he s going to work with anybody but they didn t. in some ways people said it s both sides and if there is an opening maybe he would work with them if the republicans came up with something. overall the people gave this a c. they re saying they re tired of gridlock. jonathan gruber calling the american voters stupid and the president last week acting as if he barely knew jonathan gruber from the history books. take a listen to this sound bite. no, i did not. i just heard about this i get well briefed before i come out here. the fact that some advisor who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that i completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no replek shun on the actual no reflection on the process that was run. this was an absolute f. both republicans and democrats agreed this was horrible. what they didn t believe is that he was separating himself. the fact that the white house contracted with him makes it no different than everybody working with him. this was a mess. absolutely f on everybody we talked to. people like it when you take accountable. that democratic line was the most dramatic. it was off the cliff. off the cliff. sprietion how negatively they reacted. how did people react to this. john boehner said we re going to fight the president on his executive action tooth and nail. the president threatening to take unilateral action on immigration even though in the past he s made clear he didn t believe he had the constitutional responsibility or authority to do that. and i ll just say this. we re going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path. this is the wrong way to govern. this is exactly what the american people said on election day they didn t want. what too lines are we seeing there? it is a little bit different. it was surprising to me that older folks, people that were gen x and above said i m tired of gridlock. we gave it a d overall because people are saying he s combative, he s not ready to compromise and that s it. the older folks said john boehner we re not happy with you on that one. absolutely. interesting. leigh carter, always great stuff. we enjoy these sound bites and the dial. thank you. coming up on the show, another mess at the u.n. n. this time we gave away millions and never got a promise what the money would be used for. are you getting tired of political correctness in this country? there s a movie you have to see. the director is here with the director is here with that. i m over the hill. my body doesn t work the way it used to. past my prime? i m a victim of a slowing metabolism? i don t think so. great grains protein blend. protein from natural ingredients like seeds and nuts. it helps support a healthy metabolism. great grains protein blend. when you take advil you get relief right at the site of pain. wherever it is. advil stops pain right where it starts. relief doesn t get any better than this. advil. we re here with a fox news alert. gaza militants at it again. israel says they re test firing rockets just two days after the massacre in a jerusalem sin gol gaza synagogue, gaza militants fired four rockets into the mediterranean sea. want to know how many americans traveled to syria in the past few months? 150. agents believe they may try to return to the united states to wage jihad on american soil. your tax dollars helped pay for it. the united nations donating tens of millions of dollars to war torn somalia for humanitarian work over the past few years. so where did it go? auditors say they have no idea. a new internal watchdog reports there is no effective way to track the money or know exactly what it s being used for. not sitting well with us. steve? terrific. we told you folks yesterday about a school district dumping christmas and easter from its calendar after some muslims complained that they wanted their own holiday on it. chuck norris is outraged by the political correctness and he wants people to watch this film, last ounce of courage. we can t let the enemy take one more inch. not one more inch! we can t be silent anymore. the silence has to stop and it has to stop today! young men and women are dying in foreign lands to preserve the freedoms that we enjoy every single day. can you hear them? just listen. it s their voices from the grave. they re wondering if they died in vain. chuck norris encourages people to watch that particular scene in particular. can anything be done to preserve our freedoms? joining us is kevin mcafee, the director of last ounce of courage. good morning to you, kevin. good morning, steve. it s awfully early. tell me about it. it s 5:26 where you are. we appreciate you getting up. chuck norris did this for a town hall and talked about how a school had taken after the holidays off the school calendar and political correctness. that s not the america we grew up with, is it? it is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. mr. norris could not have been more accurate in what he was trying to say. last ounce of courage, in a scene darrell campbell wrote literally in 2007 talks specifically about this very issue where they wanted to call christmas break winter break. but this is a federal holiday that grant put together in 1870 so this is part of our history. absolutely federal holiday. in his op-ed chuck wrote that is not the holiday our founding fathers founded for us. the pipelines of progressivism pumping out another indoctrineation. he encourages people to watch last ounce of courage. the mayor of the town, political pressure around him. he would like to bring god back as it was back in the day but everybody is saying you don t want to ruffle any feathers. pick up the story and lead us to that scene at the end. i think one thing that is really important is we have to recognize that even in the film we say muslims have the opportunity to bow in the town square and pray. the jewish brothers that we have have the opportunity to blow their shofar, display their menorah and christian americans should have the right to celebrate christmas. bob takes a bold stand. what he s trying to say is you know what? this is important. and this is something we should stand up for. so when he gives that speech, it is really the climax of the movie. we appreciate so much what mr. norris has done and others to help keep this in front of our people, because we re a family movie company. we re trying to make films that impact our culture. and we re in that niche that s very unique in hollywood. but we recognize that there has to be a freedom of religion. and we want to take a stand about that freedom. absolutely. that s what you do with the movie. you can rent it now. it is on d.v.d. called last ounce of courage. ken mcafee, the director joining us from okc. thank you. coming up, our top story, the president is going to give amnesty to illegals. your comments pouring in. the v.a. is being fixed; right? how did this happen? one time i was turned away and the second time they literally had to put me in a closet. not what she fought for. that vet s story straight ahead. next happy 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amnesty to millions of illegals in the country. we wondered what you thought and the facebook machine is heating up. this is bob on facebook. you say secure the borders and then congress and congress only should pass a law to change their legal status. tony sent us a tweet. so many people waiting years to become a u.s. citizen and take the oath. they do it the legal way. what obama is doing is not fair to them. frank also on facebook today. he writes he is gruber-us again. #gruber continues to trend. we actually have brand-new developments. in a shooting at florida state university, heather nauert is here with updates. this happened overnight so this may be new to some of our viewers here and it is a fox news alert. moments ago police in tallahasee holding a press conference where they revealed new details about a gunman who shot at the library overnight at florida state university. there is no indication of any additional threats to the university, the students or our community at this time. all indications that we have based on the information right now, this is an isolated incident and one person acting alone. police revealing there were between 300 to 400 students inside that library at the time. the male gunman injured three students before police shot him dead. no word on a motive. a new report says a drone came within just one foot of slamming into the wing of a packed commercial airplane. this all unfolding at jfk airport, and that is not all. there was a second incident. a pilot for virgin airlines spotted a drone coming at 200 feet. as the pilot was trying to come in for a landing at jfk. that plane was also packed with passengers at the time. we told you yesterday problems at the v.a. are not getting fixed. this morning we have brand-new evidence that that is true. angry veterans sounding off about problems at the salisbury v.a. medical center in north carolina. i was leaning over on the counter, i was in so much pain. i would have laid on the floor if 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gripping the nation is not over yet. a record eight feet of snow has already fallen in upstate new york. and another foot could fall today. check this out. a driver in buffalo drug his car out but looks like he missed a spot. driving in new jersey where i live if you have snow on the top of your car, that is a big ticket. it is illegal. it is. maria has been in western new york the last couple of days where you saw historic snowfall. incredible. we had a break for a couple of hours and that is when we were able to fly out of western new york in the buffalo airport but that snow has already picked up. now we re looking at potentially more than two feet of snow out there across parts of erie county, including parts of the southern buffalo area. incredible snowfall amounts. snow stacking up on cars. i want to show a video shot at 11:00 p.m. last night. more lightning and more thunder. take a look. that s lightning and thunder occurring in new york and more blizzard conditions, more feet 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the problem is that i m the president of the united states. i m not the emperor of the united states. my job is to execute laws that are passed. tonight s executive action contradicts this statement. fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano writing today in the washington times, quote, the framers require that every president swear to do his job faithfully to serve as a reminder to him that his job requires fidelity to the enforcement of laws with which he may disagree. without fidelity to the rule of law, we have a king, not a president. judge napolitano joins us now. good morning, guys. in the years that i ve been watching presidents and criticizing them because i disagree with them, i have not seen anything as profound as this. the president is a former professor of constitutional law at one of the finest law schools in the world, the university of chicago law school. he knows the constitution very well. he knows that he cannot rewrite the law of the land and he cannot nullify the law of the land. and if the effect of his executive action is the equivalent of nullifying it, it is wrong, unlawful, profoundly unconstitutional and it is disturbing, destabilizing to the relationship of the congress, to the president and the courts. it sounds wrong and feels wrong to the american people. a wall street journal poll, 38% opposing executive action. this beats to the heart of the american people. everyone wants something to be done but this method feels like kingship. this goes to his political judgment. he doesn t have popular sentiment behind him. sometimes presidents have done risky and bold things which pushed the envelope but they had popular sentiment behind him. there was an emergency that needed to be addressed. there is no emergency that needs to be addressed. why is he doing this? is it just some ideological frustration that he wants to put his thumb in the eye of the republicans. is a majority of americans according to to the latest poll are for doing something. the thing that he s going to do, while it s sweeping, it is temporary. however, why is this, what he s doing different than what, say, george bush did or what ronald reagan did in the past? because of the magnitude of it. ronald reagan exempted a hundred thousand families from deportation because of the definition of the word family. it was a little ambiguous in the 1986 amnesty. the 86 amnesty was enacted by congress, not by ronald reagan but congress has the power to do it. george h.w. bush stopped deportation for thousands of persons because of the definition of the word family. it was cleanup stuff. right. president obama said i read the statute differently. here s how i read it. there would be an intellectually stable argument but for him to say forget the statute. i m going to act as if it doesn t exist. it is destabilizing. the reason we have the separation of powers is not so the president can t trump the congress. it is so there is constant tension between them that maintains a high level of liberty for the rest of us. but when one branch grabs power from the other, that destabilizes, results in less liberty. if he s going to grant amnesty to five million people, they may be wonderful people, guess what happens. that expires in january 2017. he s going to harm them more than help them. it s all temporary. judge, read his op-ed on fox news.com and the washington times. we ve seen the images. businesses needlessly destroyed by rioters in ferguson. now businesses are bracing to happen for it again any moment. what are they doing? 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well, after the first round, obviously devastation was so great that it took us a while to recover from it. actually we couldn t be recovered unless we had the support of the community. so it took the whole community for us to recover from the first round and we back in business and operating. we ve been in business for 18 years around there. we ve seen it all. the majority of the folks in ferguson throughout the years are wonderful people. it was just unusual to see that extent of violence coming in from a city that in most cases was wonderful to us as a retail place, as a place to be there, to raise your kids and all. so it was a shocking. now that we re look at those photos, and they re devastating. i think any business owner, heart broken thinking of how to recover from such violence there. but now you re facing it again. what is the mood like? how high are the levels of anxiety and anticipation moving as we wait for the jury s decision? very high, unfortunately. we are not we re very tense. we don t know what to expect. 90% of our businesses in ferguson are boarded up already to the extent that you can t even see any piece of glass through any doors anymore. you can t identify the businesses anymore. we live in fear and live in a situation that you have to protect your business. so some cases you have to board yourself up. but it also hurts your business. it s not enough that businesses slow it is because of the economy. then you have this months and months of situation that we re struggling just to bring people back into the community. people don t want to come to the community to shop around or be part of it. they want to stay away for many reasons. some of them are tired of the whole story. a lot of the protesters and there are reports saying they will continue to protest even if charges are brought against officer wilson here. if that indeed is the case, what s your message? well, my personal belief, and i can only speak for myself, is that we have a system in this country and for one thing we often realize that we are all american. we have to trust the system. whatever comes out of the justice system, i m going to go with it and believe that that is the best result possible at the time, whatever it would be. we have to just believe that the system somehow will i guess do the right thing, if i can say it that way. i m not very positive and i m not very positive it s going to happen in all of that. we ll see. well, tensions are high. anxiety levels are high. we may, unfortunately, be seeing photos like that again. our best to all the businesses in the area and the people there. thank you so much for joining us. thank you for your care. jay leno forced to cancel an event because of an antigun activist. don t you dare call them freshmen. the wore was banned for being sexist. i m being serious. earning unlimited cash back on purchases. that s a win. but imagine earning it twice. introducing the citi® double cash card. it lets you earn cash back twice, once when you buy and again as you pay. it s cash back. then cash back again. and that s a cash back win-win . the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. it says here that increases at the age of 80. helps reduce the risk of heart disse. keep hrt-healthy. live long. eat the 100% goodness of post shreddedheat. doctorrecommend it. dave, i m sorry to interrupt. i gotta take a sick day tomorrow. dads don t take sick days, dads take nyquil. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, fever, best sleep with a cold, medicine. good morning. it is thursday, november 20. i m elisabeth hasselbeck. a fox news alert. florida state university on lockdown overnight after a gunman opens fire on a library full of kids. the terrifying events just unfolding. what we just learned about the victims and that gunman in a live report for you. the president ready to unleash a political bombshell tonight. bypassing congress on immigration and giving 5 million people amnesty. so can he really do this? is it legal? we will break it all down. and forget freshman. one university just banned that word because freshman is sexist. really? call the pc police. they re here. that s a sound effect, right? no, they re coming for you. mornings are better with friends. i m ivanka trump and you re watching fox & friends, the best show on news television. she s so right about that. she is. she s aprilian woman. brian is off this morning, enjoying a morning off. i m clayton, joining you this morning. we re glad you re here. a gunman opened fire inside the florida state university library packed with hundreds of students. lea gabriel here with details we learned about the shooter. police say the male gunman shot up a library filled with nearly 400 students right in the middle of the night. this morning calm is restored. there is no indication that any additional threats to the university, the students, or our community at this time. all indications that we have based on information right now, this is an isolated incident and one person acting alone. new video shows the moment students studying for mid terms heard this terrifying announcement over the loud speak. listen. there has been a shooting in the library. stay where you are. you can see the students taking shelter. many abandoning their computers and backpacks. some even boarding up desks. one freshman was in his dorm room across from the library when he heard the shots ring out. we heard a gunshot and then you got a text message saying there was a shooting. then we started hearing sirens. you hear about all these shootings, you never think it s going to happen. then it just happens. right not a half mile away. the gunman injured three students before campus police con fronted him and order him to drop his gun, but instead he fired at them. officers then shot and killed him. at this hour, no word on a motive. classes have been canceled this morning. back to you. thank you very much. kids were just in the library studying for mid terms. then that. another developing story, heather nauert is standing by with that. good morning. good morning. this one comes out of california. it is the new information just in about the massive home explosion there. investigators finding a pot lab in the rubble of this home. it s also believed that butane that was used this that lab caused the explosion. the plast was so strong, the house was destroyed and the walls crumbled to the ground. one man was found dead in the basement. two others pulled from the rubble are in critical condition. this happening in san bernardino county. it could have been another security disaster at the white house. an iowa man is in custody after authorities found a rifle and ammunition in his car that was parked just one block from 1600 pennsylvania avenue. officials saying that man was acting suspiciously and that triggered a search his car. he s now facing several charges, including possession of an unregistered gun. al sharpton says he s ready to protest no matter what the grand jury decides in ferguson, missouri. his national action network is planning vigils and protests in at least two dozen cities once the decision is announced. his demonstrators will show up in government buildings, they say, to demand federal prosecutors take over that case. and don t call them freshmen any longer because it s no longer politically correct? elan university is banning that word because it s now considered sexist apparently. an official at the private college in north carolina saying freshman has, quote, often been felt to refer to the vulnerableness of young women in college for the first time. they re now replacing the term freshmen with the term first year. what do you think of that? those are your headlines. you think they might have something better to do. i think it s fresh. it is fresh. but are sophomores still sophomores or second year? because they ve grown up. sophomore is more insulting. how sophomoric of you. exactly. thank you very much. meanwhile, the president of the united states is about to test the constitutional limits of his office. tonight he s going to announce an executive order on immigration. but the backlash already beginning this morning. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen joins us now. good morning to you. what s the very latest on this? reporter: good morning to you. leading republicans say they are already reviewing their legal options to challenge this order in court, while some others are considering trying to withhold funding for enforcement of it. it was nearly two years ago when the president visited a high school in las vegas to challenge republicans to enact comprehensive immigration reform and it will be to that same high school that president obama will return on friday after tonight s speech to sign his executive order. what i m going to be laying out is the things that i can do with my lawful authority as president to make the system work better even as i continue to work with congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem. reporter: in tonight s prime time address, the president is expected to announce a reprieve from deportation for up to 5 million illegal immigrants. these are parents of children who are here legally or perhaps individuals who were themselves brought here illegally as children. there will also be expanded visas for high-tech workers and some measures to beef up border security. after the president did this last time, we saw all those children come to the border. understand this, many of those children never made it here because they were killed along the way. other children were tortured. others were raped. the united states and the president would be an accomplice to the inhumane way that people would be treated who come here or try to come here because of the order. reporter: nbc news wall street journal poll conducted this week finds 48% of americans opposing such executive action from the president. 38% in favor. mostly breaking down along partisan lines. but 37% of independents expressing support. if i could just go back to that story about elon university banning the use of the word freshman because it s sexist, what i found most shocking about that was that the college issued a statement talking about the vulnerableness of women or female students. okay. is that an actual word? vulnerableness? if not, they can make it up. that s how it works. that s the presumtiveness of you. that s a college for you. i think the school took some executive action and made it a word. thank you, james. by the way, you re going to be able to see the president make this announcement tonight, 8:00 o clock here on fox news channel. the networks were asked. they said no. forget it. we re not going to give you time. they ll also have it out on media, social media and facebook and stuff like that. interesting enough, last night the president, we heard he was bringing in a number of congressional leaders to the white house to talk about it. for dinner. for dinner. as it turns out, not a single republican was invited. he invited 18 democrats and i m sure they all said hey, this is a great idea. although not shocking when he s not inviting them into the process as it seems we may find out tonight when he moves forward with executive action, which by and large as we heard from james rosen, 48% are opposing executive action across the nation, according to the poll. and so then it s seemingly partisan when you talk about the dinner there. listen to charles krauthammer on this. the president himself has reiterated over and over again, this is something he is not allowed to do. it is outside his powers and now all of a sudden he s got a couple of lawyers who of course will find anything you want in the law. you can indict a ham sandwich if you want. they re going to vindicate a ham sandwich and pretending this is allowed. it is not. he knows it and the damage it will do to the separation of powers will be great. some history in this, of course. and dwight eisenhower and john f. kennedy felt their hands were tied when it came to cuban immigration at the time. they turned to congress to actually pass a law that kept those refugees here in the united states. that s the way to do it. but the presidentys there is enough history between us, we ve seen, ronald reagan do this. we ve seen george h.w. bush do this. so we would consider this a badge of honor, if you listened to josh earnest yesterday. listen. we ve heard this kind of rhetoric about lawlessness from the house republicans for some time. their most recent statement referred to emperor obama. the fact of the matter is, the president is somebody who is willing to examine the law, review the law, and use every element of that law to make progress in the american people. and if that is something republicans are critical of, that may be a criticism the president wears with a badge of honor. it s not the what. it s the how. just another example of how the president has been overreaching. the big question is what will republicans do in response? that s going to be a little dicey. they talked about well, we got the power of the purse. maybe we ll cut off the money. how much does it cost to fund something where you don t do anything, because remember, it s all about deportation. how much does it cost not to do something? the other problem is if the republicans come out and they seem so they re squarely against it, it may be seen as anti-immigrant or anti-latino, which is not necessarily the case. they want to get something done. they just don t want to do it this way. wall street journal poll we mentioned earlier, in it, 43% of latinos are in support of this executive action. so it s not an overwhelmingly supportive environment either way you look here. it s actually disheartening to understand at any point, if a president can look at federal statute and ignore it and turn his back on it, what s next? this is immigration now. what other laws is he going to turn on? the poll among latinos is probably why they chose tonight to do this special speech on television because the latin grammies are tonight. they didn t just pick this date out of a hat. the latin grammies and they thought the networks would cover this. they d be able to tune in to turn on the latin grammies and have a huge latino audience. the networks are not covering it and the white house is not happy about that. shear what an administration official had to say. they said in 2006, bush gave a 17 minute speech that was televised by all three networks. that was about defullying 6,000 national guard troops to the border. obama is making a ten minute speech that will have a vastly more impact. that was actually brought into politico s word house there. also anticipated tonight are some big changes, including extension of the visa program for skilled high-tech workers, 250,000 farm workers expected to now be eligible for deportation relief. california and texas. eyes on those regions. the president it was announced he s going to be in las vegas and nevada where they had the highest national population of illegal immigrant families in the public school system. placement, placement, placement. that s right. much more on that throughout the show. you just heard the white house calling executive action on immigration a badge of honor. maybe the president should try telling that to this man s father. he was killed by an illegal immigrant and he joins us live next. then jay leno forced to cancel an appearance, bullied out by gun activists. straight ahead on this thursday campbell s® fiesta chicken lime tortilla. sausage and pepper rigatoni. southwest style bean & barley. tuscany style chicken and pasta. if you think campbell s® 33 new soups sound good. imagine how they taste! m m m m good!® the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that s just right for you, no matter which list you re on. 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to bring our destroyed families back together? powerful words. don rosenberg joins us right now with what he would like to hear from the president tonight. he s in l.a good morning to you. good morning. thank you for having me. why did you write that letter to the president? well, that letter was actually a follow-up. i wrote one back in august, which was a little more detailed and which was delivered by the department of homeland security to him. never got a response on it. what i d like to see the president do is finally acknowledge all of the people that have been killed by illegal aliens. this is not a story about my son. this is a story about over 100,000 people that have been killed since the last amnesty and are getting killed at the rate of 5,000 a year. ironically, most of them, about 60%, are being killed by people that are in the country illegally, but have not committed any what the administration calls serious crime. so it s not a question of oh, if we deport all the ones that have committed serious crimes, problem solved. that s just not what s going to happen. and then you have to define what s a serious crime. the killer of my son, that was not considered a serious crime. i was on your show about two years ago because they wouldn t deport him. i had to spend thousands of dollars of my own money, a lot of my own time to get my government to deport the guy who killed my son. and that s absurd that that has to happen. so define serious. i was just listening. they said this is a badge of honor? this is represencible. and the funny thing, the guy who killed my son, i hired a private investigator to look into it. he was not what you would call a bad guy, so to speak. yeah, he came into the country illegally. he drove without a license. i couldn t find any crimes that he did. he was here 11 years. he qualified for the protection. but he killed somebody. then they didn t want to deport him. i know. and we told the story before and that guy wound up driving over your son three times and killed him. it s a heartbreaking story. before you go, i want to ask you this question: the president of the united states ultimate task is to protect the people of the united states. is he? well, he failed miserably. i mean, you re talking about three people have been killed by terrorists and 9-11 and about 40,000, i guess 30,000 people have been killed by illegal aliens. i don t call that a success. they re so concerned about separating families, what about our families? what about the millions of people whose families haven t just been separated permanently, but have been destroyed? i don t have a lot of sympathy for families that are getting separated because of their own actions. i would like to mention one thing. there is a great organization called the remembrance project that s run by a woman named maria espinoza. they work with families of people that have been killed. i would ask people, especially if they re one of those people that have lost somebody, to contact the organization. certainly people to donate to it. exactly. that s very nice of you to make that public. i know it s tough to go through again, but we thank you for doing it on this important day. thank you. thank you very much. changing gears. coming up, this obamacare argue effect called the american people stupid and got paid millions to do it. that controversy forcing him to quit working one state s health care reform. should he give the money back as well? that story next introducing nexium 24hr finally, the purple pill, the #1 prescribed acid blocking brand, comes without a prescription for frequent heartburn. get complete protection. nexium level protection™ i m sure you know what this meeting is about. yes, a raise. i m letting you go. i knew that. you see, this is my amerivest managed. balances. no. portfolio. and if doesn t perform well for two consecutive gold. quarters. quarters.yup. then amerivest gives me back their advisory. stocks. fees. fees. fees 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already got some of the money. $140,000 of it, in fact. can the state of vermont get that back? joining me is vermont state senator kevin mullen. thank you for joining us this morning. what are your thoughts about gruber s role moving forward in the state of vermont at this point? this is the architect who had a lot of comments to make about the american people being stupid and having to have the wool pulled over their eyes in order for obamacare to pass? i think everyone in vermont is very disappointed. nobody agrees with the beliefs that have been espoused by gruber. vermont is a small state that leads an open and honest government, one that s very transparent. so people were really very, very disappointed with what has transpired with professor gruber and he certainly has set us back here in the state. it set you back some big change there, a lot of chunk of change. $160,000 that he s been paid so far. what should happen to that money ? well, it s a complicated issue because there are other people work on this project besides professor gruber. a number of his graduate students. we actually have them doing economic modeling that is pretty much complete. so the state is in the position where the work is almost finished, but it s going to be a work that the public is not going to have confidence in. so we re going to have to go out and spend dollars to make sure that it s vetted by other economists to make sure that we have good and accurate information to work from. so in the end, even though we re not going to be paying professor gruber any more money, we may still incur additional costs as we make sure that all the assumptions that underlie the work that has been done to date are accurate and that we can trust in that and we can make good informed decisions. you mentioned the word trust. senator, i m sitting here and has america wondering, can you trust this man? does he have a place in your state? you say it s transparent and open. gruber, can you trust him personally? absolutely not. there is no place for someone who espouses the beliefs that professor gruber has espoused. i can tell you that no one in vermont is defending professor gruber. everyone is ve disappointed and we re trying to move forward and make the best of a very bad situation. if you could have words with mr. gruber, what would you say to him? i would just let him know that he should be ashamed, that despite his obvious ability as far as an economist and mathematician, that the american people can make informed decisions, that it needs to be a transparent and open government, and that s not the way to conduct one s self. i think that this will seriously hurt his ability to land these lucrative contracts going forward. interesting statement there from you. we thank you for joining us from vermont this morning. our eyes are on what will happen in the future there. thanks. thank you, elisabeth. well, make it a green sermon. one state offering a preachers tax breaks to talk 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this is thanksgiving. do they have the old man on the couch asleep after? you know what? this is a gluten free dream for thanksgiving. i m not cooking. it s just in the bag. elisabeth, we should probably speak quietly. let s steal the chips while he s sleeping. if you had a thanksgiving meal with this, you know forget about everything else. the number one thing you would have to have with it? beer. i would. it would solve a lot of problems for me. boulder canyon. what a treat. thank you for that. heather what, could we get think morning. by the way, it s available at target. if you re italian, you need meat balls in a bag or something like that. meat ball chips, elisabeth. the turkey was a side dish in my home growing up. especially the lasagna. where is the pumpkin pie? cranberry is not bad. happy thanksgiving to everybody. we ve got headlines. listen to this, preach environmentalism or pay a tax? that is the decision that maryland s churches now have to make. prince georges county allowing churches to avoid a so-called rain tax if they become green ministries to preach about saving the environment or controlling rain runoff on church grounds. 30 pastors so far have agreed to participate in that. a student taking a page from ferris bueller s playbook. so far this semester, he has been absent nine times. i ve got it right here in front of me. he has missed nine days. you got to love that old computer. the 24-year-old brigham young university student is accused of hacking into the school s computer to change his failing grades into a s and used his altered transcript to give a $7,000 award in scholarships. that kid has since been expelled. a first grader in washington state claims that he was denied lunch at school. the hungry 7-year-old came home with a note stating that he had a negative lunch balance. it was a sack lunch. it was in a bag. she was passing them to everybody. she said guess what? you can t have a lunch. that school is supposed to provide fruit, vegetables and a cheese sandwich to kids with a negative lunch balance. they obviously did not do that. jay leno forced to cancel a performance at a gun show following outrage from gun activists. the national shooting sports foundation based in newtown, connecticut. he was slammed for agreeing to be there. he responded saying, quote, i understand this newtown and of course i get it. it s just sometimes mistakes get made. those are your headlines. thank you. we ate them all. they re gone. sorry, maria. you re outside. you missed the chips. good morning. i ll be inside in a few minutes. we want to talk about the incredible snowfall totals across parts of western new york because out there they were incredible. we picked up over 16 inches of snow in a very short amount of time. take a look at this incredible video showing what that looks like across the area. you see that garage door opening and that snow piled up. that was really the story for so many people out there across parts of south buffalo as they opened their doors. they saw a lot of snow stacked up and some of the snowfall in some areas even reaching the top part of some of those front doors. just incredible, whiteout conditions. at times if you were outside during the storm you felt like you were just going to be buried in snow because some of these areas picked up over five feet of snowfall. that s taller than i am. so again, we re going to continue to track that situation. we re still continuing to see that snow coming down across parts of west new york and also across portions of michigan. take a look at that radar. you can see it coming down. all of those lake effect snow bands picking up that moisture from the relatively warmer great lakes. that arctic air moving in and producing those dangerous situations out there across parts of west new york and also in michigan. locally up to two feet of additional snowfall will be possible out there. otherwise current windchill temperatures are cold across most of the lower 48. you re in the 30s in dallas. 40s in new orleans. in the 20s in raleigh, north carolina. much worse across areas that you would expect, like the midwest, single digits in chicago and below zero in minneapolis. your high temperatures to stay chilly across the midwest and northeast. a warm-up as we head into the weekend and next week. let s head back inside. hurry. thanks. we ve been telling you about president obama s plans to bypass congress completely and announce amnesty to millions of illegals tonight. robert davi, friend of this program, comes from a family of immigrants. he joins us live. good to have you today. thank you. good to see all of you. what do you think? we re all families of immigrants. what do you think about this amnesty plan? well, first off executive action. well, like you said, judge napolitano covered that pretty well this morning on that. i don t know all the legal implications. i know the emotional implications of it all. for me, it s frustrating n. 2010 i wrote an article in big hollywood about the gop taking the lead on immigration. 2010. so the bigger frustration for me sometimes is like a marketing plan for hollywood movie. they should have been out front on immigration with a ten-point plan, something already established. george w. bush tried to do it years ago. yeah. but republicans blocked it. his own party blocked it. you have to do it. they keep sitting on their hands. i think they lack imagination and some cahones sometimes. look, i think that president obama said he he wanted to fundamentally change america. his philosophical outlook of america is different. how he sees it that all of america is different. he has a different prism. how he sees his role seems pretty different. the majority of americans don t favor this executive action. they don t want a kingship, right? no, no. then you hear representative sheila jackson lee went out and said that it was actually irresponsible, selfish to not do anything right now. listen to this, robert. and i d love your reaction. this is not amnesty. this is prioritization. this is saving money. this is keeping families together. this is allowing children to not come home to places where their parents have been thrown from their places of work and taken away from them. i m excited about the courage of this president. i look forward to america finally understanding the gifts that you are given. let us not be a selfish nation. let us be a generous nation and let us help those who are in this country who are working every day, including many our soldiers. so she s really hitting on the emotion. this is an emotional issue. my thoughts? this is such a nuance and complex and big issue. first off, that makes me want to go nuts, her statement here. we re americans in this country. my family came from italy. they learned english. they went through a process. they didn t come here illegally. all right? what about the people here in america, the guy that said 100,000 people were killed by immigrants and his own son. it s a pandering motion for the democratic progressive party to widen its tent, at the same time, yeah, there is a compassionate aspect to it, but a plan of accountability and immigration. i mapped out my plan basically in 2010 with the gop, which had not different than a lot of others, but my caveat was that everyone that was here you know what congress should do now? they should get their hands out and start a bill that says english is the national language of america. no more press 2 for spanish or press 2 for this. my parents came from italy. it wasn t press 2 for italian. my grandfather had to learn italian because the assimilation of an immigrant population into our country with its 5 million immigrants, each unof those have children, so voting populous, they re going to sit back and say, president obama and the democratic party voted for this and the republicans didn t. so it s another marketing ploy on this whole thing. i ve spoken to a lot of illegal immigrant, a lot of them, cause i like to find out their feelings. when i talk about this, and i mapped out my plan, the one different caveat, besides protecting our borders and fixing immigration, freezing frt for two years, my thing was for every year an illegal has been here, they have to give community service. four hours a week until their time is done. it doesn t hit them in the pockets. it puts them in terms and learning english. these guys talk to these migrant workers in spanish and they all nodded their heads, fair, fair. but go ahead. we don t know exactly what the president has got planned. we think we know. we won t know until 8:00 o clock tonight and then we ll be able to criticize effectively. but before you go, we want to talk to you about why you re in the area. you re doing some singing in english this weekend. where will you be singing? at the foxwood casino in connecticut. that s a great casino. i ll be there november 22. wearing that hat? no, i won t wear that hat. where did they get that picture? one of these bad snapshots. it drives me nuts. then i ll be in long island. my hometown, huntington long island november 23. i hope people come out and see that. i won t talk about immigration, but i will talk about my italian grandparents. and you ll sound great. have a great thanksgiving. happy thanksgiving to all of you. thank you. straight ahead, imagine answering your phone and hearing this on the other end of the line. you re just a piece of [ bleep ] those are debt collectors. is that legal? bob massi with everything you need to know next. and then you thought you had this guy living it up in las vegas in a hot tub? oh, my gosh. it was on your dime. we may have topped that this morning. millions of your tax dollars being paid to government workers to go on vacation. it s happening. out for a bike ride. i didn t think i d have a heart attack. but i did. i m mike, and i m very much alive. now my doctor recommends a 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will inform law enforcement officers. this will give them time to prepare in case any protests follow the announcement. michael brown s parents will also learn the grand jury decision before the public. this will give them time to prepare for the potential media attention on this case. the prosecutor s office will also be in contact with the officer ferguson officer wilson s attorney. if officer wilson is not indicted, he will make public all of the testimony and evidence the grand jury heard. back to you in new york. all right. live report, thank you very much. this now coming up, have you ever gotten a call from a debt collector that sounded like this? you just a piece of [ bleep ] i ll give you til today if i don t hear from you, i ll be at your doorstep. how should you handle it? bob massi is here to explain your rights. time for this day in history back in 1972, i can see clearly now by johnny nash was the song i was singing to on the am radio. when i crave a smoke that s all i 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out there that can keep debt collectors in line? i wanted to cover this because of the abuses we ve seen in the last few years of all the foreclosures and the deficiencies. it s really gotten out of hand. federal debt collection act and state laws are specifically in place for years that says look, there are certain things that debt collectors cannot do. they can legitimately go after a debt, but they can t do certain things that violate the law. if they do, there are serious consequences to those acts. we had a number of viewers asking other questions, including this one, what are some of the things bill collectors are prohibited from doing under the law? so if you get a call at work, you re supposed to tell them, don t call me at work. they re not supposed to do it. they re not supposed to call you continuously during the day if you re at home. they re not supposed to call before 8:00 o clock or after 9:00 o clock at night. they can t, for example, go to neighbors or workers or friends and find out information about you and they can t harass you like in that particular thing you just did that audio you played. the bottom line is the fact if a debt is owed legitimately, there is a legitimate way to go about it. they can t send you something in the mail that looks like, for example, that it s from a sheriff or from lawsuit has been filed when in fact a lawsuit hasn t been filed. i want our viewers to understand that there is recourse, that they have rights because the fact that this is leverage they may have that says look, i may owe the debt, but you can not do these things because if you do, then there is legal consequences for that creditor and the collection agency. we heard some of this harassment on the phone. another question, what can a debtor do if they are being harassed or if these violations are occurring? what recourse do they have? every state we have attorney generals divisions throughout the country in every state. there are divisions within that attorney generals where you can go file a complaint. there is a consumer finance protection bureau where you can go online and you can file a complaint against these respective parties that are in fact harassing you. what s very sad and what i ve seen, they do this a lot, believe it or not, with two different agencies. they do it with young people that are in the spot and the elderly. you get involved with that elderly stuff, you got major problems also. but i want our viewers to understand that look, if you owe a debt, don t put your head in the ground. work out a deal to pay the debt with those people who legitimately come after you. but if in fact these type of things happen, then you take action and use your own initiative to know that there are agencies available to help you to stop that type of activity. if all else fails, call bob massi. great to see you this morning. thanks. coming up, don t call them ladies. vanderbilt female ladies being forced to drop their ladies 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information coming in on that massive home explosion in southern california. investigators finding a pot lab in the rubble. it is believed butane in that lab caused the explosion of this house, completely destroyed. one man was found dead in the basement. two others pulled from the rubble. they are in critical condition this morning. al sharpton saying he s ready to protest no matter what the grand jury decides in ferguson, missouri. his national action network is planning vigils and protests in at least two dozen cities across the country once that decision is finally announced. his demonstrators will show up at government buildings, he says, to demand that federal prosecutors take over that case. another fox news alert coming in, famed director mike nichols and the husband of abc news anchor diane sawyer, has died. he spent half a century in show business and perhaps the most iconic film the graduate . you got me into your house. you give me a drink. you put on music. now you start opening up your personal life to me and tell me your husband won t be home for hours. so? mrs. robinson, you re trying to seduce me. he earned an oscar for best director for that film. mike nichols was 83 years old. and those are your headlines. he brought us a lot of laughs and a lot of tears. thanks. three minutes after the top of the hour. president obama about to side step congress tonight and announce executive action on immigration. this after repeatedly saying he couldn t do it alone. with respect to the notion that i can just suspend deportations through executive order, that s just not the case. i know some people want me to bypass change the laws on my own. but that s not how our system works. really? fox news chief washington correspondent, james rosen, live in washington with where the backlash is already beginning. good morning to you. leading republicans say they are already reviewing their legal options to challenge this executive order in court, while some others are considering trying to withhold funding for enforcement of it. it was nearly two years ago when the president visited a high school in las vegas to challenge republicans to enact comprehensive immigration reform and it will be to that same high school that president obama will return after tonight s speech tomorrow to sign this executive order. in tonight s prime time address, the president is expected to announce a reprieve from deportation for up to 5 million illegal immigrants. these would be parents of children who are here legally or perhaps individuals who are themselves brought here illegally as children. there will also be expanded visas for high-tech workers. a poll conducted just this week finds 48% of americans oppose such executive action. 38% in favor. only 37% of independents voicing support for it. back to you in new york. all right. thank you very much. it will be on 12 hours from right now right here on the channel. thank you, james. there are a lot of americans right now that i think feel as though it s not the what of immigration solution. it s the how. they really don t want a king. they don t want an emperor. the president himself said he didn t want to be an emperor. actually governor-elect greg abbott went so far as saying that the real problem with amnesty and what we might be facing tonight is that it actually could be deadly and dangerous. take a look. after the president did this last time, we saw all those children come to the border. understand this, many of those children never made it here because they were killed along the way. other children were tortured. others were raped. the united states and the president would be an accomplice to the inhumane way that people would be treated who come here or try to come here because of the order. you re also hearing from an administration official, jay johnson. department of homeland security, saying that there are going to be a tidal wave of new people coming into this country as a result of this law. we re ready for it. we promise. we re ready for it. down on the border. but the problem is this executive action would pertain to the people who are here right now. so if you re living in another land and hey, all those people are getting legal status, the door is open. let s go. it would fall into the hands of states and governors who then have a real operations issue on top of a security issue. and the money. and emotional one for many. texas is already talking about if the president does what they think he s going to do, they re going to sue him. meanwhile, don rosenberg can t sue the government. he did lose his son to an illegal out in california who hit him with a car and then drove over him two more times. his son was killed by an illegal. he was on the program a little while ago and said he wrote a letter not long ago to the president that said mr. president, while you ve got your executive action pad out, why don t you create an executive action to bring my son back. he was on 45 minutes ago and he said this. what i d like to see the president do is finally acknowledge all of the people that have been killed by illegal aliens. this is not a story about my son. this is a story about over 100,000 people that have been killed since the last amnesty and are getting killed at the rate of 5,000 a year. i had to spend thousands of dollars of my own money, a lot of my own time to get my government to deport the guy who killed my son. that s absurd! the thing about the fellow who killed his son, he was not on any watch list. he wasn t deemed one of the worst of the worst. the president apparently tonight is going to argue that the government has limbed resources and so we should only deport those who pose the biggest threat to our security. the guy who killed his son at that point did not. but he was in the country illegally and killed his son. the president sees an opening, too, which is that congress doesn t have a very high favorable rating right now. the president is not much better off than that, but he sees an opportunity here. he says america is sick and tired of gridlock. he says yes, if we re going to have to go around congress, we re going to consider that a badge of honor. that s josh earnest. take a listen. we ve heard this kind of rhetoric about lawlessness from the house republicans for some time. their most recent statement referred to emperor obama. the fact of the matter is, the president is somebody who is willing to examine the law, review the law, and use every element of that law to make progress for the american people. that is if that s something republicans are critical of, that s maybe a criticism the president wears with a badge of honor. not just critical of. to say it s a badge of honor, it s the take care clause. the constitution requires the president to take care to execute the laws as they are there written. and congress now only has the authority to change immigration language and this is something that the american people really aren t feeling settled about. actually quite sick over. yeah. in fact, that s what rubs a lot of people the wrong way is we want something done with immigration, cause it s all screwed up. of course. for a long time it has been. but we want it done the right way. what the president is doing is essentially a band-aid. it s all temporary. the next guy or gal in as president of the united states could completely change it because it is simply an executive action. he will be telling eric holder or whomever the next chief law enforcement agent is in this country, just don t enforce those laws that congress passes. it s all temporary. so how do you feel about it? check out the surprising focus group results with president obama on executive action. watch the dials on the screen as you can see and their reactions to his comments. listen. i indicated to speaker boehner several months ago that if in fact congress failed to act, i would use all the lawful authority that i possess to try to make the system work better. and that s going to happen. that s going to happen before the end of the year. carter was on earlier, she was actually surprised at how sort of right in the middle of the road, people he was flat lined. listen to her explanation. people just didn t react the way i thought. i thought people were going to react really negatively and say i don t think he s going to work with anybody. but they didn t. in some way people said, i think it s both sides and that there is an opening that maybe he would work with them as the republicans came up with something. overall, the people gave this a c. tired of gridlock, i guess, is what she was saying. jim on facebook says, does immigration need to be reformed? yes, it does, but it must be done within the framework of the constitution. and another on twitter said this, this is what the founding fathers tried to prevent. one person with all the power. you think that s their real name? perhaps. remlap. let us know. go to twitter and weigh in as well as on facebook. that s right. we can t wait to read those and their them with you. coming up, the v.a. is being fixed, right? how did this happen then? one time i was turned away because the two rooms were taken and the second time they literally had to poutine poutine a closet. the full story on that straight ahead. world war ii rifles being removed from a museum. the reasons? background checks weren t done on them. seriously? some people want me to bypass congress and change the laws on my own. but that s not how that s not how our system works. if in fact i could solve all these problems without passing laws in congress, then i would do so. but we re also a nation of laws. that s part of our tradition. he said it wouldn t happen and he wouldn t do it. but here it comes tonight. president obama about to announce executive action on immigration 8:00 p.m. eastern. so what exactly are we getting into? here to break down with all we know so far, peter johnson, jr. let s go to the w. we love the w s. who is it going to impact? well, it appears at this point that we don t know for sure, it s going to impact 3.5 million parents of u.s. born children here five or more years. may also impact 2.8 million parents of u.s. born children here, ten or more years. also perhaps 650,000 children who currently lack the protection of what the president has done before. okay. so that s who it would impact. now, fromç who to what would it do? that s another big question. we ll know at 8:00 o clock tonight. probably expand the 2012 deferred action program, which allows millions of family members to get work permits. that s green cards here in the united states. grant protections to people here illegally for ten years. parents of u.s. citizens would likely qualify, and also allow businesses to recapture unused visas from previous years to make more visas available for foreign nationals. could produce 200,000 new green cards under that alone. then finally, allegedly increase border protection, an issue that so many americans have been talking about for so long. yeah. no kidding. from what to when. when would it possibly kick in? the administration is mum on the implementation time line as of now. but if the past is any indicator at all, it took dhs exactly two months in 2012 to impolicemen implement the first part of deferred action for childhood arrivals through executive action. so that s when. it could take effect. what about what could congress possibly do, cause a lot of congressional republicans do not like it. there is a lot of congressional republicans and they re all over the place. they could pass a bill to supersede the president s executive action, which the president then could of course veto. then the congress could then override it if they have enough votes. or attach a rider to a government funding bill which could end in a government shutdown. they could also sue the president, but of course, that would spend taxpayer money and we could wait months or perhaps years for a decision on that. although the united states supreme court has in the past invalidated executive actions of the president of the united states as exceeding his authority under the constitution and under the law. a lot of critics of the president are saying listen, this is not putting a fine tuning on the law as it exists. this is potentially invalidating and nullifying american laws calling for the deportation and detention of illegal nationals. i got another what for you. what would make this legal? well, the president will say that it comes from article 2 of the constitution. and the supreme court has recognized the power of executive action. but the president, as i mentioned, does not have the power to nullify federal law or to act as a concurrent legislature. that s what the separation of powers is all about. the president does not legislate. and that s what a lot of people in congress are saying that he s doing exactly. we ll know tonight. fox will have it all and there will be analysis all might and tomorrow morning. big, big event. absolutely. peter johnson, jr. filling us in on some of the details. very nicely done. good to see you. exactly 20 minutes after the top of the hour. coming up, this obamacare architect called the american people stupid, got paid millions to do it. dr. gruber did. the big question, can the taxpayers get any of that money back from gruber and company? stay tuned. whatever you do, don t call them ladies. female athletes being forced to drop lady from their title because lady is sexist. really? we re going to ask a former athlete from that school coming up next. looking for one of these? yoplait. smooth, creamy, and craved by the whole family. from san francisco to silicon valley, boston private bank works with all kinds of people who are innovating, building, contributing individuals, business owners, private partnerships, non-profits, families planning 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so you actually started a petition about 5,000 signatures on that. why was it important to you to try to maintain the term, lady balls? lady balls, it was started by some great wiemar threatic directors and of course our coach, pat summit. lady vols is a great name and a tradition at tennessee. just like they shouldn t take away singing rocky top, they shouldn t take away that name. it s interesting, a basketball team. it was a big nike summit. they said we re trying o streamline. there is an exception for the basketball team. they ll be able to maintain lady vols. what do you think of that? right. i m very happy that the basketball team can maintain that image of the lady vols. nike will be producing both of those brands, both the power t and the lady vol social security security tee. if you re going to produce one, do it for both and continue the tradition and continue the legacy of excellence. you swam with great pride as lady vol. i really did. is the term lady offensive to you? is it offense self to people on campus or your former fellow teammates? i really don t think so. when it was formed it was formed as an identity to create this platform where ladies can thrive and don t have to be behind power sport and money making sport like football. so when lady vols were first brought about in the 70s, it created that identity for women to really succeed and to be better teammates and be better competitors and be better student athletes. and to see that to be dropped is just really heartbreaking. do you believe that this is an attack on the history of women in sports at the university of tennessee, to remove the term lady vols? i don t think it s an attack of the history. but i do just don t agree with dropping the tradition of the lady vols. again, it s a tradition of excellence. it s a tradition of empowerment for women, and it really is something that needs to be kept alive. how hard will you fight for that? i m really not willing to give up just on just this petition. i think i stand alongside a lot of great lady vols and supporters with me. i m going to fight as much as i can. it looks like you have a world of support behind you. we want to thank you for being with us as a lady vols member. thank you so much. thanks. up next, the v.a. is being fixed, right? how did this happen exactly? one time i was turned away because the two rooms were taken. and the second time they literally had to put me it a closet. yeah. put her in a closet? that veteran s story straight ahead. plus here is a little something to ring your jingle bell this morning. the video that you will be daring to share all day long. is a really big deal.u with aches, fever and chills- there s no such thing as a little flu. so why treat it like it s a little cold? there s something that works differently than over-the-counter remedies. prescription tamiflu attacks the flu virus at its source. so call your doctor right away. tamiflu treats the flu in people 2 weeks and older 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busy thursday. clayton is in today for brian and heather has got the headlines. good morning to you. i ve got a story to bring you. this one coming out of vermont. and call it the cost of imcompetence. vermont now terminating jonathan gruber s contract as an obamacare consultant. but that may actually end up costing taxpayers even more money. work is almost finished, but it s going to be a work that the public is not going to have confidence in. so we re going to have to go out and spend dollars to make sure that it s vetted by other economists to make sure that we have good and accurate information. gruber s contract with the state of vermont was reportedly worth more than $400,000. he s already been paid nearly half of that. of course, gruber made headlines last week for saying that obamacare passed because americans are stupid. we told you yesterday about the problems at the v.a. and that they are far from being fixed. this morning we have brand-new evidence that that is true. angry veterans sounding off about the problems at the salisbury v.a. medical center in north carolina. hearing this is likely going to make you mad. i just leaned on the counter. i was in so much pain, i would lay down on the floor if i could have and got back up and i said look, i m not going anywhere. it is extremely frustrating. it s worse than pulling teeth from a hen. one time i was turned away because the two rooms were taken and the second time they literally had to put me in a closet. the director of that hospital says they re working to fix the long wait times at that v.a. center. a stunning new report says a drone came within just one foot of slamming into the wing of a packed commercial plane. this all unfolding at jfk airport in new york. that is not all. a second incident, a pilot for virgin airlines spotted a drone flying at about 2,000 feet as he came in for a landing. that plane was also packed with passengers at the time. the faa has indicated that they expect to propose regulations for the small drones by the end of this year. but it may be months, even years before those rules are made final. do you remember this? the bell ringers from joe boxer? lovely. that s a new one this year. k-mart just unwrapped their brand-new commercial. cue the big guts. and those are your headlines. guys, what do you got over there now? hard to beat that. that s right. now let s take a look at the weather conditions across the country. we ve been talking about the arctic blast impacting the lower 48. temperatures setting record lows, especially during the morning hours and also significant lake effect snow, which is still going on across areas in the great lakes. we picked up over 60 inches of snow in south buffalo and an additional two feet of snow are still in the forecast for that very same region. this is going to be a big issue out there. the forecast over the next several days is for a warm-up. then we could be looking at issues with the weight of the snow on many roofs because you re going to be looking at the chance for also rainfall and that s going to make that snow very heavy out there. otherwise current windchill are still cold. here at fox news, we have a one of a kind apprentice program whose mission is to promote diversity and develop careers inside the television news industry. the ailes apprentice program was created by our ceo to change the face of television news. and harris faulkner, our friend, recently co-hosted the program s annual graduation which reached a huge milestone this year and joins me now with some special moments from this year s inspiring event. good morning to you. good morning. first of all, it is so good to see you. great to see you in person. that you are healthy. i have so much to tell you about. it s really special. we are celebrating our tenth class of graduates. so many fantastic people have come out of this program and are doing big things for our company every single day. i recently had the pleasure, as 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their journeys and see what they hope to accomplish in their very promising careers tomorrow right here on fox & friends. you re not going to want to miss it. i ll be watching from home. i can t wait. thank you. good to see you. this coming up, they are some of the most family friendly cars on the road. but this morning, a serious warning before you get in the driver s seat. not to miss. and is the economy getting any better? a brand-new report just leased and nicole petallides is at the stock exchange with the details for you. boy: once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. one day, it started to rain. the house tried to keep out all the water, but water got inside and ruined everybody s everythings. the house thought she let the family down. they just didn t think it could happen. they told the house they would take better care of her. always. announcer: protect what matters. get flood insurance. got some headlines for you on this thursday morning. a warning to mini van owners. the nissan quest, the chrysler town and country, and the dodge caravan getting crushed in new crash tests. the three models scored the lowest ratings after part of the frame collapsed on impact at just 40 miles an hour. that is not good. beware. jetblue about to cram 15 more seats into its airplanes, cutting leg room even more. terrific. starting next year, passengers buying the cheapest tickets will have to pay extra if you want to check a bag. maybe sit on someone s lap. we have a fox news alert for you now. the labor department releasing new jobless numbers just moments ago. nicole petallides from our sister network, fox business, has them live from the new york stock exchange. what do they say? good morning to you. we re seeing that we came in to the latest week, ending november 15, 291,000 claims. just slightly more than the estimates of 285,000. and last week was revised a little higher to 293,000. those receiving continuing claims is at 2.33 million. but that has been an improvement. good news here in these claims, and i know it s a lot of numbers is that the 291,000 for the latest week is under the 300,000 mark. and we have been under the 300,000 mark for ten straight weeks. we haven t seen that since the year 2000. economists will tell you that the firings have slowed. those who have the jobs are not as worried that they re going to be fired. as far as what we re seeing with the markets today, looking a little lower, manufacturing in china and europe has pulled back a little. so we may have a down arrow. you might see best buy join a lot of retailers with up arrows this week. we ve seen costco, wal-mart, target at highs and best buy will open at least up, maybe more than 5%. back to you. the best day for best buy. all right. by the way, don t miss nicole on the fox business network. to find it in your other, go to foxbusiness.com/channelfinder. thanks very much. this up next. you know her as howard stern s better half. but did you know how much beth stern does to save homeless dogs and cats? she s got a new book. she does! she s holding it right now. hi. how are you? good morning. welcome back. it s no secret that beth stern loves animals. her and her husband, shock jock howard stern, have fostered over 90 kittens. that s right. but the story of how those kittens helped one of her cats will warm your heart. it s all part of her brand-new children s book that came out this week. beth stern joins us live today. beautifully drawn, too. who named that cat yoda? my husband. all of the fosters and our six resident cats, as soon as they come in the door, that s howard s job. he looks at them and names them. he figures out their personality? right away. here is a picture of you in the back. howard took that photo, by the way. a selfy? what s the story with the cat? yoda he is our most recent rescue. we adopted from north shore animal league. he was sitting in a cage way too long. that s how we end up with most of our resident cats. so i brought him home. we find out quickly that he s in heart failure. he has three to six months to live. so we re going to love this guy til his last day. we fell madly in love with him. kitten season was around that time and howard and i foster kittens. we fostered over 90 kittens. so my first litter comes and yoda goes into the foster room and something crazy happened. he took over as the papa of all of these foster kittens. he became the alpha kitten? started grooming them, made sure they ate. i can literally leave the foster door open and he ll go and corral the kittens in. it s seven litters later and he s still in the foster room. i have taken him to the vet three or four times sips the kittens arrived and his heart has gotten progressively stronger. as of two weeks ago, he s officially off his hard meds. i firmly believe it s love and purpose has healed this cat s heart. so the children s book, i thought what a beautiful message. so instead of saying he was dying and now he s living, we went from a sad heart to love and nurturing kittens and now he has a happy heart and he s living so happily in our house with the kittens. it s a precious book and all the proceeds will benefit north shore animal. i m in the middle of this huge project for north shore animal league. we re building a second story to their existing shelter. 15,000 square feet. going to be a cage free habitat. home away from home for all the cats and kittens. it s a great big room where they roam free? there is four different rooms depending on their personalities, size and a nursery and wellness center. that will free up the entire downstairs for more puppy mill and adultress cues. 100% of my proceeds, i think it s a fun way to buy a gift knowing the money will go to help save more lives. that s right. great work to both you and howard. my goodness. we had no idea. he s a softy, isn t he? you should see him with those foster kittens. 90 kittens have come through and howard is amazing with them. he s my partner in this. terrific. howard stern, who knew? who knew? that guy loves cats! he does. all animals. huge animal lover. it s out now. go on amazon and pick it up right now. great story for the kids, especially this time of year. go, yoda. thanks. coming up, a would-be robber s worst enemy. this ferocious dog. one for the road. there he is right there. can you top that one? any animal is welcome in our home. especially that one. when i crave a smoke that s all i crave. that s where this comes in. only nicorette gum has patented dual-coated technology for great taste. plus nicorette gum gives you intense craving relief. and that helps put my craving in its place. that s why i only choose nicorette. . . fact. when you take advil you get relief right at the site of pain. wherever it is. advil stops pain right where it starts. relief doesn t get any better than this. advil. one for the road. attack of the killer yorkie? what? a would-be burglar was caught on surveillance video trespassing. south african backyard. it might have been a chicken. the family s dog was having none of that. andthe man was so startled by te pint sized pooch that he jumped over the fence and ran away. meanwhile, earlier we had the chips that taste like thanksgiving just in time for the christmas and the holidays. oreo biscuits, starting next month, mini butter biscuits with mashed up oreos will be available at church s chicken restaurants. they re going to be busy. and drive snowily. check out this crazy sight. this driver in buffalo managed to dig his car out, but it looks like he missed a spot. how would you like to be the guy behind that guy? because it is eventually going to come off into your grill. tomorrow on our program, the best cities for vets to get a deal on a home. you re going to want to hear that. geraldo rivera joins us live. i believe chris wallace will be here, too. that s right. kristen chenowith will be here with her smile. just one other thing, i would like to thank my wife for putting my son s shirt in my closet. that would explain why the sleeves are so long. twice as long. yeah. i m wearing my son s shirt. we like that. better your son s shirt and bill: getting dressed in the dark, dude. morning, everybody. fox news alert. this will be a massive change in our immigration laws. president obama set to use executive power effectively to legalize five million immigrants in our country already. this will be a big part of our coverage this morning. welcome to america s newsroom. good morning, martha. martha: good morning bill, everybody. i m martha maccallum. the president is set to make the announcement in prime time, 8:00 p.m. eastern. the new wall street journal poll shows this, nearly half of americans are against the move. 48% oppose it. the executive action the president is expected to take and 38 support. bill: republicans are going ball
excuse me. we are going to take those people and those people are going to be serviced by doctors and hospitals, we ll make great deals on it but we won t let them die if the streets. who pays for it? gentlemen, please wolf, it to clarify this. this is the republican debate because that attack about letting people die in the street if the government doesn t support them i m having fun up here tonight, i have to tell you. thank you for the book, appreciate it. donald, relax. i m relaxed. you re the basket case. don t get nervous. go ahead. there s nothing about you that makes anyone nervous. you don t know what s happening. wolf, i m goingç to ask my time not be deducted when he s yelling at me. take control. gentlemen, please. i get my answer. i want to move on. what i ve seen up here. first of all, this guy is a choke artist and this guy is a liar. this guy always goes off combination of factors other than that, i rest my case. this is the typical thing he does. any debate about policy he goes right for the outrageous statement. you have to floor. do i get a response? you will but i promised governor kasich he would zblo respond. can somebody attack me, please? . [ cheers and applause ] that kind of sums up the night. can somebody please attack me? please, please? did you see that? look, it was like fruit salad, that s it. it was fruit salad. on fire. somebody poured gasoline on it and lit a match. good morning, everyone, it s friday, february 26. that was a mess. it was a hot mess. that was a hot mess. at one point i tweeted, this is a disgrace because i don t know. even after that section, soon after thatç they were yelling, willie, at each other for about two minutes uninterrupted all three yelling at the same time. in that clip there, the frustrating thing was they re all talking over each other and nobody s like, stop, you talk, you talk. i thought that was an ugly part. i will say right from the beginning marco rubio did finally what everyone has been asking him to do. boom, boom, boom. he came to play and he fought. he came out fighting. donny deutsch is here as is senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. in washington, republican pollster and columnist in at the washington examiner kristen soltis-anderson and in houston, managing editor for bloomberg politics mark halperin. we were in touch with him all night as he was analyzing it firsthand. give us your report card, mark, really quickly. i gave marco rubio and donald trump a minuses. again, my grades are based on performance and how the performance affects the candidates chances of being the nominee. i thought rubio s performance really most surprising to me was he d never flinched. everyone else who s gone up against trump inç these debates has had moments where they flinched and trump has gotten the better of them. i don t think rubio took trump down but i think he showed a fortitude and people in rubio world are wondering why he didn t do this sooner. any impact i mean, bloomberg came out with polls that shows donald trump crushing everybody in the deep south. rubio showed two polls of him being crushed in florida where he s a sitting senator. the thuz chan does this change your mind? i don t think see any reason that this would separate any of donald trump supporters from him and he last night was his normal self. he stayed on message. he had moments where he was under attack and he held his own and talked about what he wanted to talk about. i gave ted cruz and john kasich bs and ben carson a c plus. but rubio s performance, while strong, doesn t erase the huge gap he has not just in florida but in that poll of ours, the bloomberg politics poll you mentioned, where trump is in the southern states voting on tuesday way ahead even thoughç voters know he s not the most conservative american the race. we ll get to an incredible moment of the night but first we should let everyone know we flew down to south carolina yesterday, we have a big interview with hillary clinton to show you, extremely wide ranging, sat down with her with well over half an hour. fascinating. and she was very relaxed. she was what she had been in 2008 when she really went on that run. so that s coming up as well. but back to the debate, there was this moment where rubio demanded trump offer explanations for his health care policies and then look what happened. you may not be aware of this, donald because you don t follow this closely. when they passed obamacare, they put a bailout fund in obamacare. all the lobbyists put a bailout fund in the law that would allow public money to be used, taxpayer money, to bail out companies when they lost money. we led the effort to wipe that out. what is your plan? i understand the lines around the state. this is no you don t know what it means. that is your problem. the biggest problem he s got is he doesn t know about the state. the reason we have no competition is because we have lines around the state and you have we already mentioned that as part of my plan, i no what that is. i think you don t know much. so the only thing is to get rid of the lines around the state. what is part what the lines around the state means, instead of having one insurance company taking care of new york or texas, you ll have many, they ll compete and it will be a beautiful thing. [ applause ] so that s the only part of the plan? just the lines? the interstate competition. the nice part you have many different plans. you ll have dpe competition. now he s repeating himself. [ cheers and applause ] i watched him melt down on the stage like i ve never seen anybody let s stay focused on substance. let s talk about your plan. you say the same thing, everyone s dumb, he ll make america great again senator rubio, please, please stop. and the lines around the state. every night.ç [ laughter ] it was a beautiful thing. that s america right there. what a difference between the democratic debates and the republican debates. where you actually talk about policy. the democratic debates are one on one now. and that really does help. i don t think anybody is paying attention to substantive issues there. i think clearly rubio, to his point, had a very, very strong night. he was on the offensive. what i think he did is what i would do if i was advising anybody to go against trump is go at him as the businessman. go after trump university. go after you ve hired immigrants, say you are a shady guy. shady, shady, shady: i don t think that makes aó; though. if you are a trump supporter watching that debate, you re lensing it through that s my guy, he s strong, he was punching back. if you didn t like trump you still don t like him. had rubio started off that way, we would have a very different what about the devil s advocate. i agree with basically 99% of what you said but there s a devil s advocate of rubio s night which is that he spent all this time crafting an image as someone who is elevated, positive thinking, forward looking, and then toç get into the mud with trump might have hurt that brand. as a branding guy, what do you think? i don t think it hurt him. i think he just added a dimension. it was not okay this is a guy looking into the future, this was a guy who punched back and did not flinch. i was shocked. if you go against trump it s tough to keep your footing but i thought that for the first time trump was in the positionover not even defending himself but at least having to swat those things away. i thought it was a strong night for rubio. i don t think it moves the point on the needle. here s the thing, though. i m with mark halperin. if you look at the polls, look at the fact he s 20 points down in his home state, marco rubio, you look at how badly most of us think, other than donald trump, how badly most of us think donald trump did in south carolina. the south carolina debate was an absolute disaster. it was a nuclear meltdown so we thought. compared to last night. doesn t matter doesn t matter. that s why i say it doesn t matter. but this is why it matters to marco rubio. because rubio and cruz are not just fighting for 2016. marco rubio s losing in the next 11, 12, he s going to lose 15 primaries in a rowç he want s t going to even get to florida. but rubio and cruz have to prove to their donors that they are worthy in 2016 to be in pole position. marco rubio can t hear over the next three years. marco, i d give you money again, man, but you had the chance to fight trump and you never did. for marco rubio to be able to raise the money he needs to raise in 2016, he had to do what he did last night. i doubt it will move the polls for him that much, maybe a little bit. but here s another thing, too, willie, if it gets him ahead of ted cruz by instead of half a point like, say, one, two, three points he can go into 2020 going, you know what? i took on ted cruz, he had more money, he had a better porti organization and i beat cruz in then he starts naming the states. because these two too guys are young, they re in their mid-40s. how old s marco? 44, i think. wow. this will be incredible for him. so in if 2020 he ll be 48 years old. heç had to do this because we were saying, his donors were saying, the writers were saying why is he scared of donald trump? he proved last night even though it won t make a difference he s not scared of donald trump. and if he is going to be the future of the republican party which he s been called by time magazine he has to prove to be the future of the republican party by punching back. what party? that s the question. but if you talk to him, he s not giving up. he believes if he gets in a one on one with trump there s a way. you may disagree it s not that i don t disagree, it goes back to data, willie. it goes back to every super tuesday poll. he s down in all 11 super tuesday states, he ll probably lose 15 in a row and he has to go to florida where he s down by 20 points. if he s 0 for 15, 0 for 16, he doesn t run in florida. he may be governor in 18 and run for senate again. it brings up the point of why didn t they do this type of attack against trump months and months ago. i couldn t help but think you remember 2008 hillary clinton the inevitable candidate and everyone is barack obama, go after her, inç the fall of 200. and it took actually chris dodd to go after her in that debate, on illegal undocumented citizens driver s licenses in new york for her to finally get the glean ripped off of her. so now you re wondering if they had done this back in september or october, would it have made a difference? no. you don t think so? no, i don t think so. trump was not coming i ve got to say this again, donny. if any debate performance was going to hurt donald trump it would have been south carolina. it would have been south carolina. but that was too late. we went back to september. if you just for the first time out of the box were watching that but he s stronger since that debate. if you were watching that debate you would say wow, rubio is the guy and trump s not a viable candidate. you re coming in now lensing it through trump win-win-win. there s so much equity in him right now. there s so much built in gravitas. people are finishing his sentences for him. it s different. but if you watch last night fresh you would say rubio was the guy. butç too little too late and its not going to happen. we put up a story yesterday about how these campaigns didn t even put up research files to get trump over the summer because they assumed he would go away. last night was a research debate. they could have done that months and months ago had they prepared. sam makes an interesting point which is i think most people thought donald trump was a passing fever of some kind and they felt like we re not going to go through this, we re not going after him and by the time everybody woke up he was on his way i ve never seen more people with who with more experience in journalism and politics sit here in shock and sit here kind of with their pants down because they didn t prepare. not literally. well, i hope not. they ve come back on the other side angry. and they re angry. very angry. mark halperin and kristen, we have to get kristen in. let s go back to the bloomberg polls again. give me a quick rundown of super tuesday southern states. talk about how massive donald trump s lead is there. he s leading in the horse race 2-1ç over rubio and kwlou a cruz who are basically tied. voters don t say he s most conservative but they still like him. they rank him on a range of issues, strength, electability. it shows the difficulty these candidates will have in defining him. as strong as rubio s performance was in some ways last night, the way you take someone down in a debate is to have a single frame to say here s why this person is dead. rubio threw the kitchen sinke d enin various different frames. this guy who has new york values, who isn t seen as the most conservative is still the dominant figure. so a lot of what they went after him last night on is he s too liberal. well, that s been priced into the stock for voters again the most conservative part of the country. the other thing in our poll is one on one. we tested trump against rubio, trump against cruz, the sort of conventional wisdom was well, if only they could get him one on one and trump leads both rubio and cruz one on one, suggesting that even if the field winnowed before tuesday trump would be in a strong position. kristen,ç we ve got donald trump winning the last three races. he s getting momentum behind him and he s going into the area that we have said around the table would be the strongest. he s a jacksonian. he seems to be a jacksonian and he s going into the heart of sort of jacksonian democracy in the deep, deep south. and it s going to be very hard for marco rubio or ted cruz or john kasich or ben carson or anybody to get those people to turn away from trump. i think those two-way ballot tests that mark just talked about are probably some of the most interesting of the questions in that survey because the idea here is that folks have been saying, look, you ll have to have either marco rubio or ted cruz step aside, make way for the other and that s the only way you take down trump at this point. and i think what s so fascinating about last night s debate performance is that you may not have a lot of trump hard core supporters turning away from him. i agree. if you like trump, you probably still like him after last night s debate. what s responsibility that aç t of polls have shown if a cruz drops out of the race some of those cruz folks go to trump instead of to rubio. if rubio drops out, some of those folks go to trump instead of cruz. last night s debate performance may have prevented people from switching from a rubio and cruz to a trump. if you were looking for someone who projects competence, if you were looking for somebody who projects i really can win, i think that s what made last night s debate so interesting. you may not have pulled away people who already like trump but you may have said, look, if you don t like me at least vote for the other guy who is not trump. i think that s whatbi making things interesting. if you look at the polls in texas, the last two polls i ve seen come out of texas, one had cruz up by 15 but one only hand cruz up by one. if cruz wins texas by one or loses texas, that s a big problem. trump is getting the nomination. everybody has to grow up and deal with that. [ laughter ] it s jeb bush says the man who said we needed a trump ban on the show three months ago. well what i m saying you re growingç up. no, no. you saw what the democrats play book is going to be and you paint one image trump is a lying sleaze. just put him on the defensive. if i m advising trump, i d say that s what you have to watch out for. if i m advising hillary i say that s straight where you go. and rubio did all those things last night. too little too late. if you want to know to the story of trump s success, go to the second line of the bloomberg poll. do you believe trump is a committed christian? 12%. yet he won evangelicals in south carolina. he won evangelicals in nevada. people don t really care about the specifics of who he is. they love his style, they love his brand. that s the way you cut into the style and brand. that s the case. it s the same thing with mark. mark halperin, you re saying they know he s liberal, that he s the most liberal candidate in the most conservative part of the country, they re still voting for him and i want to show you in a very, veryç conservative state in the republican primary marco rubio s home state of florida. this kind of goes follows up on what kristen was saying. everybody assumed when jeb bush jumped out of the race that all of his numbers were going to marco rubio. well, they didn t. donald trump got a lot of them. he s at 44% in rubio s home state where he s a sitting senator. that s a quinnipiac poll. i think they dismissed that poll but there s also a pp poll that came out yesterday that actually had trump at 45%. so real uphill climb for marco rubio, despite a really good debate performance last night and i would be shocked if he went into the florida primary without a win and didn t drop out of the race to maintain his viability. you can t lose your home state by 20 points. we have a lot to get to. we had such an incredible day incredibly long day yesterday. back from washington, did the show, went down to south carolina, incredible interview with hillary clinton. was she asking for me? she was not asking for you aç all. she s coy that way. security was. it was extremely wide-ranging. it went from fun to dead serious. and then speaking of great performances, your band last night at prohibition, you have incredible musicians. they re great. people need to come see this. it s an awesome band. i don t know how you did that. what s the cover charge? why didn t you ask me? it s free but for you it s like $100. you were out performing with a nine-piece band. why didn t you ask me to play the triangle. can you bring your triangle next thursday? do they serve food? it was you guys are good. it was packed, it was kind of crazy. you can watch it on periscope. they re incredible musicians. how many them? nine, right? you have a horn section nine. brass, backup. it used to be like the police. we had basist, guitarist, drummer. and then i went to see steely dan at the beacon and now we have 28 people. i m like i need horns, i need background singers. our interview with hillary clinton is ahead and moreç debe highlights. so still ahead on morning joe it is painful, it s hurtful to have people say oh, i don t trust her, i don t know why she s doing it. and it suddenly struck me, well, you know, maybe there is this underlying question like is she doing it for herself? or is she really in it for us? we re going to have the first part of our revealing interview with democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton. morning joe continues in just a moment. welcome to opportunity s knocking, where self-proclaimed financial superstars pitch you investment opportunities. i ve got a fantastic deal for you- gold! with the right pool of investors, there s a lot of money to be made. but first, investors must ask the right questions and use the smartcheck challenge to make the right decisions. you re not even registered; i m done with you! i can.i can. savvy investors check their financial pro s background by visiting smartcheck.gov could you double check scothe envelope? wins. best actress, 1984. and i can t deny the fact that you like me. life is like a box of chocolates. you never know what you re gonna get. we re gonna need a bigger boat. xfinity x1 lets you access the greatest library of oscar moments, simply by using your voice. live oscar sunday, february 28th on abc. tomorrow in south carolina, hillary clinton looks to notch her third victory of the democratic presidential primary race and we sat down with her yesterday in that state for a wide-ranging conversation about the issues and her candidacy. as you know, on our show we sort of speak our mind, for better or worse sometimes for candidates. for you sometimes laugh. you made her laugh right at the top. i knew it. i had to say over the past couple days we have said for better that you seem to be a different candidate since nevada. in fact, the second you got up on stage and started speaking in nevada reminded me of the hillary clinton from 2008. what was different? what is different now? that s a great observation. you know, i don t know. i think it does take me a little bit longer to get into the rhythm of campaigning, to feel what i m doing and how it s working and i felt just really ç good. we hit our stride in nevada. i felt like not only was the campaign and the message of breaking all barriers really beginning to take hold and people could understand it, but i just felt that we were on the upward trajectory. so maybe that s what you were seeing. you also said something, too, in abintn interview, i m not su which one it was, but we ve been talking about how calculating you were and how it seems to be not the person that we know personally but you said in an interview earlier this week that your biggest challenge was convincing voters that you were not interested in what was best for you, you had58iñi to convin them that you were doing this for them. right. talk about that. and the misconceptions that you may feel you ve been fighting. i have to this has kind of come to me over the last months because, you know, it is painful. it s hurtful to have people say oh, we don t trust her, don t know why she s doing it. it suddenly struck me, well, maybe there is this underlying question, like, is she doinghi for herself or is she really in it for us? and i ve always thought of myself as being service oriented. i always believed that i was in it for trying to help people get a better shot in life, even the odds. and i think i m going to keep reaching out, talking about what i ve done, what i will do and making the case that people can count on me because they always have in the past. somebody else said something funny when i said she just seems different. and she seemed different this week, she s more relaxed, she s what we ve been saying all along we should be and it was surprising. and i think it was halperin who said the clintons have a 30-year history of near-death experiences and resurrection. . [ laughter ] so why don t you make it easy on yourself and forget the lazarus routine and make it easy for your friends and supporters. let s do that from now on. i like that alternative. that s an interesting observation. there mayç be some truth to it. part of it is that i always feel like i am carrying a big weight of responsibility for so many people. i really do have this sense that a lot of people are counting on me, a lot of people are expecting know help them. a lot of people are really in my corner. i think that does sometimes get me a little tensed up to be honest. i think i m afflicted by the responsibility gene. ever since we ve been getting ready for the interview and mika was writing notes and everything, i was sitting here talking. how a man prepares versus and mika commented man versus me fretting over every note and carrying notes. she asked me do you want notes? and i was like nah. do you ever look at yo you are husband and how he did it and go it s not fair! i think mika and i understand this because still today when you are a high-achieving woman, particularly one in the public eye, you really are just expected to qurform at a higher level all the time. and there are not enough experiences with different styles or different approaches that women make my goodness, there s a million different ways you can be successful, you can communicate and all the rest of it and, look, i m not telling you anything you don t know. i am not a natural politician like bill clinton or barack obama so for me it came through the root of service, it came from my deep conviction that, you know, we had to make sure that this country we all love kept producing opportunities for everybody and i see that narrowing and i see people being left out and it upsets me. so i invest a lot of energy and a lot of my own emotion into what i do and i think sometimes instead of that being as easy to understand as i would like it to be, it sometimes is a little bit nerve-wracking. right. and we saw that with jeb, a guy who knew policy forward and backwards but in 2016 it justç didn t seem to be interpreted as well on the campaign trail. so you have a lot of different branding and messages out there, you have donald trump make america great again. right. bernie sanders, the system is rigged. what is your message simply? break down the barriers so america and americans live up to their potential. that is what i care about, that s what i ve done, that s what i m talking about, i feel very comfortable talking about that. it hit me. i care deeply about the economic barriers. i think i have the best idea about how to help create jobs and get incomes rising and all the other things we have to do to get the economy growing and get it fairer. but economic barriers are not the only things that hold people back. we were just talking about, you know, some of the gender-related issues that hold women back. there s race, there s lgbt discrimination, there s a lot of reasons why people feel somehow pushed down or left behind. so using this barriers metaphor really works for me because it helps me organize everything i m talking about, knocking down barriers to quality health, to good education: you know, we re in a county here where we re doing this interview and it s one of the i-95 counties that there was a big documentary saying it was the corridor of shame because the schools are so poor, they re falling down, kids are not being educated. they don t even have enough teachers. that s a big barrier. no matter how loving your family might be, you don t have those opportunities, that s going to hold you back. so that s how i now think about what i want to do as president and it really helps me maybe do a better job of conveying that. so let me then ask you. you express concern about being held to a different standard as it pertains to the wall street speeches and you said you would release the transcripts when the republicans do. but isn t it more important perhaps to be transparent to democratic voters about what you said to big banks behind closed doors? well, i think i have been transparent. i have a record. i m not coming to this for the first time. people can go back, they can look at what i said and what i did when i was a senator. i m the one who called out wall street. so where did you say that? where did you say that? back in december of 2007. i even ran an ad in the 08 campaign, it was in 07, warning about the mortgage crash and so i m on record. i have gone after these guys, i have been pointing fingers at them, i ve been introducing legislation. so people who want to know about my public record, it there s to see. people who want to know what i will do as president, everybody says who s looked at it i have the best plan to rein in wall street, to prevent them from ever doing into what they did to us before. and i want to move toward a level playing field. as i ve said, happy to do it when everybody, including the republicans, does it. but if reporters are looking for don t you want to get ahead of it before somebody gets their hands on these transcripts? no, i really don t. because i want people to look at my record. people are treating me sometimes as though i just decided to run for president. i have been on the record on if you look at what caused the great recession, a bill he voted for in 2000 had a greater impact than most of the talk that we re now doing. so let s get everybody out on the same field. i feel like i don t mind being responsive. i don t mind answering questions but at some point i want everybody to have to answer. i respect that call. can you assure the american people that you didn t say anything in those speeches that would undermine your promise to be tough on wall street. absolutely. absolutely. and besides, i m on the public record. i ve told them what i ve going to do. i ve said i m going to go after big banks that pose a systemic risk. hold me accountable for that. i ll do that. so çlet s talk about that. one of the chief complaints that a lot of supreme is after the bailout, the banks that were too big to fail got even bigger. haven t they gotten even bigger. i think they have. whether it s bank of america or j.p. morgan. any of these big banks, if they went down tomorrow, we d all be on the line again for, that right? well, no, because now we re not going to bail them out. they have gotten bigger but they ve also been under much closer scrutiny. so if bank of america came to you and i m going to get in big trouble from friends at bank of america. we found out what about to lehman brothers was going to happen tmqñ bank of america you third week in office and they said listen, this is very simple, you let us go down, atm machines across america are going to shut down. our people aren t going to get their money. you have to save us or the economy collapses. what do you say to them. i say under dodd-frank we have an orderly unwinding of your bank because you are now posing a systemic risk. but madam president, the markets will absolutely collapse. look how badly they collapsed after lehman brothers. we need you to step in now or - a re going to be responsible what do you tell them? we ll do in the an orderly way so there won t be surprises. the reason we passed dodd-frank was to make it clear no bank is too big to fail, no executive too powerful to jail and we have to keep faith with the american people. i m sorry that you ve made bad decisions, but we re going to have to unwind you and, yes, break you up. and parts of you will be very successful going forward and other parts won t and if there is any accountability that needs to be imposed on individual decisions we will also follow through on that. so you can make the guarantee today that if you re president of the united states under no circumstances will those there be a taxpayer-funded bailout of these big banks. if they pose a systemic risk, we ve got the process under dodd-frank now. the tools have been provided by. we have to follow through on that. and the banks have to know we will follow through. that s a guarantee of no taxpayer bailout. no, because that s what we tried to fix in dodd-frank and too, though, j this. i want to go further because if you really look at what happened in 07/ 08 and you mentioned lehman brothers, it was investment banks like lehman brothers, it was insurance companies like aig, mortgage companies like countrywide. so the only culprits with not just the banks, there were others as well and i m the only one with a plan who says hey, guys, dodd-frank is great, it gives us the foundation, it doesn t go far enough. we need to look at other entities that pose systemic risks as well. a champion on these issues is elizabeth warren. do you see a role for her in your campaign. this is hillary clinton you can feel my pain. i have the highest regard for her. i think she s doing an amazing job. she signed a letter two years ago urging me to run for president and we consult regularly. my staffs consult regularly with her staff so i am very much interested in what she s doing and what she thinks we should be doing. will you consider her as vice president. that s mika s follow up president. well, i can t get presumptuo presumptuous. i have to win the no q%=9 and then i ll take a deep breath and maybe get a good night s sleep and then start thinking about that important decision. i wasn t going to ask that, but okay. you re glad i did. there s more. there s a lot more. much more. i thought it was fascinating. you want to go to mark halperin. no, mark halperin, what were your takeaways from an interview where i thought hillary clinton was as relaxed as i ve seen her, bluntly, in eight years. i m getting so many e-mails about this interview. from her victory speech in las vegas on saturday to that interview to a performance on the stump lately, she s in as good a groove as i have seener in a candidate in any race she s run right now and part of that is her relief that she went from being under the gun to being relaxed. you guys asked her tough questions. she never once seemed rattled or off her game. she seemed most of all conversational and when she s conversational, anyone who s had a conversation with her knows she s engaging well beyond what people normally think of her as. i would echo that. you can see a weight lifted off her after nevada. after a razor thin win in çiow getting blown out in new hampshire, she s relieved she won there. there s an op-ed in the new york times calling for her to release the trimtease the trans the case it makes people think she s hiding something by stonewalling so it was interesting to see her answer your question. she said there s nothing in those speeches that would understood undermine her message and also her promises to be tough on wall street and big banks. let s see them. what was compelling, though, her argument of course i m not going to say i agree with it because yesterday i said that republicans shouldn t release she shouldn t release hers until republicans release theirs and everybody went crazy everybody saying you re wrong, you re wrong. but she had a really compelling argument. you guys are worried about speeches. i ve got a 30-year public record. look at my public record. if you think those speeches have influenced how i behaved in public service, look at my public service. judge me by my public service. i know that s not going to be good enough for the critics. it is a good answer. when people giveç speeches, if you talk to the truckers you go truckers are the backbone of this country. let me tell you something, trucker people, they re the best people in the world. thank you. it s a speech. the bigger is should she have done them? don t you want to know what she says in private? i feel like that can offer a window into what she thinks. that s what i think. i think at the end of the day i think she s made two compelling arguments and i stand alone in the world. i agree with you. next hour number one is i ll release my transcripts when the republicans release their transcripts. nobody agrees with me on that. i agree. number two, look at my public works. look at my public service, judge me by that. next hour, there are our sit down with hillary clinton, including her candid thoughts on donald trump. andrew ross sorkin also coming up, tom brokaw, chucked to, mary kissel of the wall street journal joins the table. we like mary. she goeets mean. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. 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[ laughter ] but look how far you ve come. the most dishonest person in america is a woman. [ laughter ] who s about to be president. how could that be? my party has gone bat [ bleep ] crazy. [ cheers and applause ] if we don t win this election, when are we ever going to win one? that s not meant to be funny. a good republican would defend ted cruz after tonight. that ain t happening. [ laughter ] if you kill ted cruz on the floorç of the senate and the trial was in the senate nobody could convict you. [ laughter ] oh, my gosh! that s awful! it s awful! that s the real lindsey, though, right? and the party is definitely crazy. it is. a little crazy. what s going on there? that was senator lindsey graham roasting the presidential field last night in washington. joining us now, a member of the wall street journal editorial board and host of opinion journal on wall street journal live, mary kissel. who i just made feel very uncomfortable. i never thought i could, you re so confident. sour confident. who won the debate last night? what was your take away? my take away is that rubio and cruz realize they can t run for second place. donald trump is the front-runner and they finally woke up and tag teamed him, essentially. marco can lift the hammer. he can lift the hammer. marco came ready to fight and he raised some pretty serious questions about trump. i think the most effective exchange was the health care exchange where, you know, the emperor had no2clothes there. he exposed the fact that trump doesn t have a health care plan and the second effective exchange was on israel where cruz pointed out that essentially trump s policy is hillary s policy and rubio said, look, you can t be neutral. you can t negotiate with somebody who s negotiating in bad faith. the only problem is that a lot of his policies do lean to the left a little bit and nobody seems to care in some of the more conservative states so far. when we had trump in our town hall meeting, i was surprised when he talked about being neutral between israel and the palestinians. he said he was going to do that because he wanted to be an honest broker and bring peace to the region. that with planned parenthood and everything else. republican voters know, republican voters don t seem to care. trump last night did a bunch of bold things that a normal republican candidate would be afraid to do. he said everyone in the country should have health care. he defended planned parenthood but said he was against abortion and wanted to defund them but defended their work. he said again what you said on israel and he also was, you know, open to the notion of being a more inclusive çfigure. i thought trump he criticized hugh hewitt for bad ratings. [ laughter ] he took risks. maybe thinking about a general election, but all of them things no other republican candidate would insult hugh hewitt on that stage. trump showed boldness and strength and some positions will help him if he s the nominee win a general election. mary, is it too little too late? a lot of people watched marco rubio, he was very effective, well prepared stylistically, good at going after donald trump and people wonder why that didn t happen six months ago. is there any stopping trump this point forward? we ll see. but they didn t let trump get away with his usual word salad of nonsense last night. you know, one of the reasons why voters have started to get more comfortable with donald trump is because they didn t perceive an alternative. but look at the laundry list that rubio put forward last night. he won t release his tax returns. he s hired illegals. we don t know anything about his income. he s bankrupted four companies. he s been a hypocrite on manufacturing. he s close to hillary on foreign policy. these are very serious problems with the trump campaign and it ç about time that rubio and cruz pointed them out. is it too late though? we don t know, we haven t had super tuesday yet. that s the test. but i think that rubio and cruz did what they had to do last night. they did what they have to do but couldn t have have lifted the hammer from the get go? i don t think they took trump seriously. i don t think anybody took trump seriously. isn t that the big mistake everybody made? from the establishment in washington to the establishment in the media, the laughing from the get go actually made him stronger. if you think about it, if you think about it, every candid-íe should be taken seriously. i m thinking herman cain and all these others were taken seriously. i don t know. i didn t take herman cain too seriously. the 999 plan? but did you laugh in his face? no, but they should have taken him on on the substance. jeb bush s mistake as a serious candidate. jeb bush took him on personally. he attacked trump s character. so did the media. and they finally attacked substance last night. does substance matter in 2016? i think it matters. jeb bush had the most substance. but he couldn tç communicat it. of any candidate in the field. but he couldn t communicate. it doesn t matter if you can t get the message across. he could communicate but his communication wasn t insults or screaming or an in your face display well, that s not effective communication. it s been tremendously i think substance does not if substance matters we wouldn t be where we were. what matter zblshs s no, that s not true. last night was the first night they made the argument. this is an angry. us will. there s a guy up there saying i m mad as hell. the exit polls show 13% to 15% of voters care about immigration. that s what he s running on. and look at the dislike what he s running on is us versus them, that should be the point. that s not the substance. mark halperin, we love mary. she s so great. can you do us a favor? we don t want to torture mary. could you describe the most, let s say, troubling parts of the bloomberg poll of the deep south yesterdayç for a wall street journal editorial page writer? well, the reality is the polls suggest that in the super tuesday states trump is leading but strong despite voters not thinking he s the most conservative and doing very well head-to-head against the other candidates. trump has a lot of strength and for people like mary who would like to see trump stopped, the question is how can you stop him, can you stop him if he wins one or every state on tuesday? was this a poll after the debate or before? if you look at these numbers is he a committed christian? only 12% say he is but he s swamping everybody among evangelicals. only one in five voters think he s conservative. everybody s saying we re going to prove he s not conservative. so the question is why. well, i think there s a deep, deep cynicism about politics and i think voters aren t distinguishing between these candidates on policy. could you and your deep cynicism please stay here? coming up on morning joe, one of the best headlines is mary not great? she s the best. when i was at the johns hopkins event, i thoughtshe went to hop that s explains why. robot rubio turns terminator. that s a good tease. someone that understands and cares about your business. pnc corporate and institutional banking offers strategies tailored to your company s needs. know that our dedicated teams of local experts offer insight to help you achieve your business objectives. see how working with pnc can help your company grow at pnc.com/ideas
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[ cheers and applause ] rubio throws everything but the kitchen sink. can i just say? quickly. somebody wrote that line for him, he delivered it very well. okay. i think he only said it one time. the watches? yeah. he did say this is not a real estate deal four times in like 15 seconds. but the watches line tom brokaw and chuck todd join us. plus more from our interview with hillary clinton. i ll be back in a moment. nobody move! get on the floor! do something! oh i m not a security guard, i m a security monitor. i only notify people if there is a robbery. there s a robbery. why monitor a problem if you don t fix it? that s why lifelock does more than free credit monitoring to protect you from identity theft. we not only alert you to identity threats, if you have a problem, we ll spend up to a million dollars on lawyers and experts to fix it. lifelock. join starting at $9.99 a month. because you can t beat zero heartburn! i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. here s a guy that inherited $200 million. if he hadn t inherited $200 million, you know where donald trump would be right now?ç selling watches in manhattan. you lied about the polish workers. oh, yeah, yeah. 38 years ago. you lied to students at trump university. oh, he lied 38 years ago. i guess there s a statute of limitation on lies. in 2013 when i was leading the fight against the gang of eight amnesty bill, where was donald? he was firing dennis rodman on celebrity apprentice. i will not let people die on the streets if i m president. have you said you re a liberal on health care? excuse me, let me talk. i know you re embarrasses, but keep swinging, swing for the fences. wow. some good lines in there. it was hard to describe the debate actually at times. i wasn t hard, it was a cage fight. that s when you get down to it. it was fisticuffs. tom brokaw is with us. there you go, a cage fight along with mary kissel of the wall street journal and, tom who do we have in washington. republican pollster kristen soltis anderson, pulitzer prize winning columnist inç eugene robinson and host of meet the press chuck todd. so, tom, it was a cage fight and at points three candidates were yelling at each other at the same time for five minutes. for a long time. what is a moderator s responsibility to step in and maintain order when the yelling continues unabated for five minutes. or was that part of the story? it s always a tricky piece, having been there and done that. people you can never satisfy everyone. actually, a couple of those exchanges, as heated as they were, were instructive when they were going after donald trump on whether or not he d been fined a million dollars for hiring illegals, what his net worth may be, what about his tax returns and when ted cruz was making the point i was there on immigration. those were relevant points. my problem with the debate last night was that we re not getting at issue that the country needs. none. we have a flat economy going on right now on the democratic side we are. not only that, folks, in the last two weeks, we ve had two more mass shootings p 350 people killed in america in mass shootings in the last year. one last çnight. and one last night in kansas. that s a stunning thing. you can look at all of these 10 debates, insults flying back and forth, a lot of petulance and yet you dig inside those bloomberg polls we ve been talking about all day, in the deep south the number one issue guns. no. jobs. by a long shot. the number-one issue is jobs. all the other issues, all the social issues whether it s guns or abortion or the environment, they re at the bottom. it s jobs, jobs, jobs. all these guys are doing are insulting each other. and nobody is talking about jobs. there s always the difference between the primary debates and the general election. what they re doing is going after a constituency trying to get over 50% to get them home and there was a lot of that last night playing to the immigration heated debate that goes on in the s.e.c., as we call the primary this is week, and in texas especially. but if trump beats cruz in texas and kasich is in trouble in ohio and marco is losing by 15, 20 points inç florida in two different polls. here s what will happen in washington and other pundit places. it will look like the american embassy when the iranians were coming home. we ll be feeding stuff into the fire thank you for that. thank you, tom brokaw, it s already begun. let s show the debate. marco rubio challenging trump as a hypocrite on immigration and trade. if he builds the wall the way he built trump towers he ll be using illegal immigrant labor to do it. [ cheers and applause ] so cute. such a cute soundbite. about the trade war, beyond because your ties and the clothes you make are made in mexico and china. so you ll be starting a trade war against your own ties and suits. why don t you make them in america? because they devalue their currencies. then make them in america. well, you don t know a thing about business, you lose on everything you do. they devalue their currencies to such an extent that our businesses cannot compete with them. our workers lose their jobs. so you make them in china and russia. well, you don t know anything about it. i don t know anything about bankrupting four companies. here s a guy that buys aç house for $179,000, he sells it to a lobbyist who s probably here for $380,000 and then legislation is passed. you tell me about this guy. here s a guy that inherited $200 million. if he hadn t inherited $200 million, you know where donald trump would be right now? selling watches in manhattan. [ cheers and applause ] i took $1 million and i turned it into $10 billion. i borrowed $1 million. then release the tax returns so we can see how much money you make. i borrowed $1 million, i turned it into $10 billion. he doesn t make that much money. so chuck todd, people having saying for some time that the candidates, especially rubio, should go after donald trump, last night he did and he did it after a spate of polls came out that showed the race to be almost over. the bloomberg polls in the deep south and then in florida those two polls that showed rubio losing by almost 20 points the. question of the morning, is it too little too late or could this change things next tuesday? what i was struck at the most last night is that lastç night the normal rules of political debate applied. meaning the people that were behind attacked the front-runner. what was so amazing about last night was that was the most that i think donald trump had really ever been attacked by multiple candidates, mostly right, cruz and rubio. and what s i m sorry, i think it s remarkable that it took to the 10th debate before pressure was applied to trump. is it too little too late? we ll find out on tuesday. i think rubio certainly if you look at what donors wanted to see from him, what a bunch of people sitting on the sidelines who don t want to see trump as the nominee, who have been hesitant to jump on the rubio bandwagon, particularly after what happened in new hampshire, did he perform well enough for them? my guess is he did. he was relentless. i think at times he did get under trump s skin. cruz disappeared early in the debate. i thought he came back late. but you ve got to give trump credit. i thought he countered pretty well. he didn t just take the pummelling. he did return fire a little çb. but i have to say chuck, don t you but joe one more thing. the audit defense on tax returns was awful. there s just to make that your well, i m getting aud it th audited. anyone else i d say that s a massive unforced error, with trump you don t know. i think it works for him because it shows how the irs is hounding everybody and he s getting audited. okay, i m audited every year. really, you are, buddy? this, zmuk did he do better or worse than he did in the south carolina debate that we judged as a complete collapse? i thought he was better last night. that s what i m saying. i thought he collapsed in south carolina. the polls showed he went up so if that performance causes him to go up four or five points, i don t know what will help donald trump we ve said it before, it helps marco rubio because marco rubio answers the bell. he finally gets upç and punche the guy, the heavyweight champion in the face time and time and time again and he doesn t back down. and that s good. not for 2016, it may be too late but as we set up for 2020 because i suspect you ll see him move ahead of ted cruz and as those who jockey for who s the next nominee in 2020 if that s the case. not only did rubio perform well stylistically, he was relentless, he went back at trump. in the past when we ve seen people like jeb bush, he d go at trump once and when trump hit back he had nowhere to go after. that rubio was well prepared with the research. the question, gene robinson, is a lot of this stuff is low-hanging fruit. you say all the jobs are going to mexico and china yet you make all your clothes and ties in mexico and the china. why haven t we heard this stuff at least on the debate stage? we ve seen in the the press. why haven t we heard it from other candidates until last night? well, because they were scared. they were scared to do it. they because attacking trump got you out of the race, basically. the candidates who had gone after him before are no longer with us. last night s debate was fascinating. it was a cage match, as tom brokaw said and you could listen to it on the verbal level. there was the verbal level and non-verbal level. on the verbal level and what was said, clearly rubio struck blow after blow, the watches in manhattan line actually was brilliant and brilliantly delivered. the trump university stuff i thought was damaging. people would get that. cruz late in the debate was an effective prosecutor i thought in cross-examining trump so on the verbal level clearly he took blows. on the non-verbal level you had the big dog in the middle and you had two yapping smaller dogs on either side who did not dislodge him. that was the sort of image that you got from the whole evening. so in that sense who knows what hurts donald trump. most of his voters seem to have made up their minds a while ago and they don t seem shaken by this sort of thing. mary? the reality is, if republican voters are going(tn choose donald trump, then donald trump has to be vetted and what we saw last night were a lot of big rid flags about trump. he says he s getting audited every year, he refuses to release his past tax returns. well, that s the first time we ve heard that excuse and to my knowledge there s no reason why he can t release past returns. what s in them if republicans go with trump, he s going to face a hillary clinton who looks very serious, very presidential, who s very ready for him. so he needs to be attacked mary, she s not releasing just as much as he s not releasing. they ll cancel each other out on this. that s true. but look at the excerpts of the interview with her you just played. essentially what she just said is, if you like your 2% economy, you can keep your 2% economy. she spouted a lot of nonsense about how she s all for good schools. you know what? she s backed by the teachers unions. she s absolutely against school choice. so she can sound serious while spouting a lot of nonsense and really saying we re going to have a third term of obama. so what we re reading in the wall street journal editorial is trump for president inç the fall? that will be fascinating. can t wait for that. tom, so what happens now? we wait for super tuesday. if the polls go the way they re looking right now, it looks like a decisive donald trump win. does the republican party start lining up behind this man or do we see a third-party challenge from bloomberg or from another republican? on the bloomberg piece of it, i ve talked to him a couple times and he s not ready to pull the trigger yet and it will get harder and harder for him to do that as the trump phenomenon continues if it does continue after all this. as you know, it s very tough getting on the ballot as a third party candidate. when ross perot got 19% of the vote that was a triumph, but it was only 19% of the vote and he had a long runup to doing that. the republican party establishment, whatever it is, hope that he does not get to the nomination in the primaries. that he ll be well short of that. and then they can broke err convention in some passion. but they re in a panic mode about the fact that donald trumç will be the nominee. i think the tax returns are critical at this stage, quite honestly. he s being called out by everyone and when he says i can t do it because i m being audited. let s see the last nine years. look, head to head, trump loses to bernie and he loses to hillary and cruz tried to point that out last night when he kept talking about trump s electability. now i m sure that doesn t speak to trump s supporters because trump has his supporters just aren t swayed. it s about 30%. but it may sway some voters in the middle. look, my point is if republicans want to go with trump they need to understand what they re getting and they need to understand that they might lose the general election. kristen, can you explain who the republican primary voters are that are supporting trump? republican primary voters who are supporting trump are typically working class folks who are frustrated. that they feel like america has changed in a bad direction in the last couple of years, over the last decade or two and that they are being left behind. so most people voting for trump, they re doing so because they sort of want to change the directionç of where things are going. they don t want to be left behind. that s why the attacks up to this point saying trump s not conservative have failed. what was fascinating and the reason why rubio s attacks last night were important is because he finally did something different than what other people are doing. it s not just that rubio went on the attack. it s that he finally used different attacks that haven t been levied on the debate stage. that might be potentially per situationive to folks who don t care that trump isn t conservative but want somebody who s competent and can win. chuck todd the republican party in the rubio camp is dreaming of a brokered convention. that s all they have. that s all they have. but let s say even if this debate moved things five points in rubio s direction trump still wins all 13 contests on super tuesday. he still wins florida, may lose texas. if we get past super tuesday next week and trump dominates the way it looks like he s going to dominate right now, is the dream of the brokered convention dead in the water? absolutely. look, it s aç pretty simple chuck, they have to stop him before super tuesday. correct. it s well, know, it s march 15. that s the deadline. on super tuesday because of the proportional go ahead, let s put rubio, give him another three points. so let s say he averages in the high 20s in many of these states rather than the low to mid-20s. trumps sits at his 35 to 40 depending on the state. he ll have 100 to 110 delegate lead: but the real test is ohio and florida. if trump wins them both, it s over. he s halfway he ll be at 600 plus. that s halfway to the magic number. no one else will be within, i think, 250, 300. so 16 years later it s still all about florida, florida, florida. and there s only two outcomes, either trump becomes the presumptive nominee or we re headed to a brokered convention. trump has enough of a lead already, he ll get en delegates on super tuesday that it s impossible for anybody else to win this before the convention so it s either trump now or a convention? and todd harris, the chairman of rubio s campaign said the media needs to chill, marco rubio is going to win florida, period, take it to the bank. what chuck says is correct and here is the problem for the republicans and this is if trump does all that what chuck just outlined and they decide to have a broerk brokeredñ convention, they re defying the will of the people. they re alienating everybody who went for trump. this has been the case from the get-go. and the party breaks up in its own way. that s a huge issue about are they playing by the establishment rule source there a new republican party that trump has managed to personify with his style and positions? not exactly where i stand but quickly, the audit narrative, i predict it plays into trump s favor. why is that? because i m being audited every year they audit me. there s more there and it will play into his favor. chuck todd, thank you. again, every other candidate would have to release it will play in his favor. this is also in iowa. there s never been more true than this. i support the crazy one. are you talking about sanders? is that the pro-sanders fill in the blank. democrat or republican. whatever you want to do. chuck, what are you working on for meet the press on sunday? we re getting close to most of the candidates that are left so we ll see how many we have. but we have a primary tomorrow night. oh, my gosh. kristen soltye soltis anderson, you so much. tom brokaw as well. we all support the crazy one. join, stay with us. up next, our one-on-one interview with hillary clinton in south carolina. we ask why nothing seems to stick to donald trump and much of it does to her and her take on how her campaign is going right now. and his campaign. watch this. i think it s been mostç surprising to me so-tto see somy who was affable and good company and have a reputation that is bigger than life really traffic in a lot of prejudice and paranoia in some of the comments that he s made which have been so divisive and mean spirited doesn t quite fit with what i thought i knew about him. jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive i thione second it s there.day. then, woosh, it s gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we re dealing with a higher intelligence here. the all-new audi q7 is here. job what do you think? mary s going into the voting booth she sç got major derangemen syndrome on both sides. she s sitting there and sees two name trump and clinton. what does she do? what do you do, mary? you have to think about the supreme court. so what do you do? in that instance, you have to think do i want 30 years of an incredibly liberal supreme court that just may you re going to vote for donald trump. that makes up the law. no, i m telling you the calculation of conservatives. so that means donald trump. you re a trump person. i m telling you okay, fine. mary kissel for donald trump. more of our discussion with hillary clinton. you going back to the newsroom i don t sit in a newsroom. we sat down with the contender ahead of south carolina s primary vote. take a look. i want to ask you something else we talked about on the show, bob woodward came with a big folder that said trump on it and he said we re going to go after this guy. he is going to be the next nominee and nobody s gone after him. i said, bob, they ve written all the articles, nothing seems to stick to him. and i said the bigger question is not why the press hasn tç investigated him because they have the question is why doesn t anything stick to him whereas everything seems to stick to hillary clinton? it s got to be frustrating for you to see sort of the double standard not necessarily among the press but among the voters but why do you think that is that nothing sticks to donald trump but if you wrote something in 1973, the press would be chewing on it for two weeks? foryou said something in 1994 someone would hold up a sign and take it out of context in front of a speech you re doing. which we saw today which is ridiculous. i have a couple responses to this. i think part of the reason why i m going to be the nominee and the next president is because i have withstood all this. i have been vetted. i ve been at this for decades now and despite all the incoming, i m still here, i m still forging ahead because i think in most cases most people kind of see through it and we go on together. the vetting on these other candidates has not even begun. and it will. and iç think if you look my best memory on this, joe, is that the republicans in nevada had fewer voters turn out than we did in nevada. i think it was like 70,000 to 80,000. that s a very small group of people who are making this decision right now. when it moves to the general election, i think you re going to see a real seriousness of people whoever the republicans nominate turning and saying what do we know? wbr id wbr51720 it s most likely going to be donald trump, though, isn t it? right now it looks like that but i m not going handicap their race. how surprised are you knowing donald trump as long as you ve known donald trump? and i said she s exactly right when you answered the question, you said he s fun, he s an interesting guy, he s fun. how surprised are you that we are finding our we woke up after nevada and everybody in washington said oh, my god, this guy is most likely going to be the next nomination. i didn t know him that well but i did know him. but it s been most surprising to me to see somebody who was affable and was good company ç and, you know, had a reputation of being bigger than life really traffic in a lot of the prejudice and paranoia and some of the comments that he s made /b which has been so divisive and mean spirited doesn t quite fit with what i thought i knew about him. so i think it will be interesting to see what if he does get the nomination he decides to do with it how he presents himself. but he has really been offensive and in many respects surprising to those of us who did know him. let s talk about the e-mail controver controversy. sometimes your spokespeople wil come out and say that this is a republican attack. it s the right wing going after you again. but obviously the fbi is involved? well, there s two things and the new york times has been reporting on this for some time. so you could take elements of benghazi and say republicans were driving this for a political purpose but here you ot suggesting the fbi here you investigation is politicized are you? no, but there s two different things. there is a security inquiry going on and if we respect that, it s on its own timetable but it s moving forward. but the other one, the lawsuit, they re not talking about the security inquiry, they re talking about judicial watch. not the underlying investigation. no. so there are two different things. i am personally not concerned about it. i think there will be a resolution on the security inquiry. the litigation others have brought and some of them are right-wing outfits, those will proceed and i m not worried or concerned about them. i just don t want people to confuse the two. so in the early primary states, younger women supported a 74-year-old socialist man. [ laughter ] a man, man, as austin powers would say.ç it s a man, man! what do you make there were news stories along the wbr-id wbr53520 way looking at how women connect with you. i think it comes down to trust issues again, possibly not. maybe you tell me. what s going on? especially with younger women. i think with younger women i think they have every reason to feel like things are kind of messed up. a lot of them have gotten a education with a huge price ago attached to it with student debt. they re not getting the jobs they thought they would get. i think there s a lot of real frustration. and i ve talked to many, many young people and even not just those who support me, those who support my opponent and that s what comes through. it s like, hey, the economy has failed us, the government s failed us and you know we re excited by somebody who says we re going to change it all, we re going to start all over again. i totally get that. i can vaguely remember being that age and feeling a little bit like that myself. so i keep saying i want to meet people where they are and particularly young people. that s why iç put forth all of these ideas about student debt and college affordability. the things they talk to me about and also tackle a lot of the barriers, whether it s racism or sexism or anything else that is worrying them. equal pay. equal pay. huge issue. and young women ask me about it all the time. so i ve said many times, look, i know a lot of them are not for me right now but i m for them and i feel very optimistic when we get into the general election against whoever the republicans nominate, you know, there s going to be a clear distinction that i ll be able to build on and i m going to take people where they are and a lot of young people are very worried about their futures. at the same time, they re the among the most generous and tolerant. you have two at home. they re generous, tolerant, open minded. they re willful, they re materialistic, they can be very selfish, too. stop talking about your daughters. i think what we want to do, though, is love them as they are and then try to figure out how do we create a better path for them so when i say theseç thin like i want you to have all the opportunities that you deserve in america. it s not hollow. it s got real meat to it and they can believe it with. when i draw contrasts with senators sanders, it s not because we disagree on goals. i want to get to universal health coverage, too, i just think i have a better way of getting there. so we have a real dialogue. that s what i m looking for. speaking of a real dialogue, when we ve been around the country for the past seven or eight years talking to group after group, whether it s the 92nd street y or roural alabama we re struck by how much people are alike, how their views of america are so similar and how they re concerned about the same thing and that is that we have a government that doesn t work. and whether it s a very liberal audience we re speaking to or conservative audience they always ask why can t they talk to each other? you understand if republicans elected, democrats are politically going to try to knock their heads off. there is no substitute for building relationships and i ll tell you a story which might surprise you. but in the 90s, i have a passion about foster care and adoption and what we can do to make it better, more kids get permanent homes and i was trying to figure out, well, who could i get in the congress to work with me on this? so i did my research and found out tom delay had been a foster parent. i called him up. he was as surprised to hear from me as i was surprised to be calling him and i said congressman, would you work with me on a big reform on adoption and foster care? silence, he said well, what do you want me to do? i said come to the white house, we ll have a meeting and figure out how we can do this. and he did. i m not sure i could have found any other common ground than that one slice, but that s what i want to do. there are people there who are honorable, who care about solving problems on both sides of the aisle. how do we begin to connect with each other, to see each other as human sfwhbeings? you and i know there are outliers who will never compromise, but they re still thankfully a minority. how do we have a more open process to bring people in, to listen to them? i thought what patti murray and paul ryan did after the government shutdown in the fall of 2013 was a textbook example. they were charged with go get a budget. we ve had this reallyç bitter experience. they didn t start by walking into a conference room flanked by their acolytes carrying binders. they had breakfast together. they called each other on the phone. they actually got to know each other as people. what a novel idea. we ve got to get back to that. i know it s hard because people fly in, they fly out, they re not there, we don t have the opportunities. i think what you ve heard and what you both have experienced traveling around is people across our country want that to happen. we just have to do more to create the conditions where it s a win-win as much as possible. i will also stand my ground on things i don t agree with, but let s try to find as much common ground as possible. president clinton said governors and presidents can t afford to have long memories. yes. we ve heard stories in the press before about how you re tough and driven and you remember people that slight you. when you re president of the united states, is that your governing philosophy as well if you get elected president of the united states? that you need to have a shortç memory and you need to wake up every morning and forget about what happened? absolutely. when i got to the senate, lindsey graham was my colleague. lindsey, yeah. and we started to get to know each other. there was a lot of history there, as you know, and then we teamed up to get health care for national guard members. i travelled with him and john mccain. is we got to know each other and that is exactly what i will do. there are very few people orcyv events in politics where you say you have to write somebody off. there are a couple where people really do things that are just so inimmickable and really indefensible. but otherwise you take people where they are, try to get to know them better and find that common ground. when i was shepherding the start streety through the senate, i spent countless hours on the phone in meetings, what do you need, how do we doç this? what expert do you want to talk to? how can i do this to reassure you? i m hands on about this because i don t think there s any way other than to do that. all right, still ahead, we ve shown you the food fight moments from last night s debate. there was one much more dignified moment that happened before the fighting started. we ll have that straight ahead. we d also like to welcome a very special guest with us here tonight. ladies and gentlemen, the 41st president of the united states, george herbert walker bush and former first lady barbara bush. 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how do you stop murders happening in baltimore? it s interesting you say that. we had a case last year where 30 guns a weekend were coming in from out of state. it is a huge problem and that s why the conference of mayorsç again bipartisan organization. we re not republicans. we are asking for the candidates for president and those who wish to lead our country and congress to be real about how we can step the tide of illegal guns. we need a federal government to invest and protect and we say protect, we need stronger partnerships between federal law enforcement officers so we can stop this onslaught of guns that are destroying our cities. what do you say to gun advocates to who say some of the places with the strongest gun laws like chicago for example are some of the places that have the worst gun crime statistics. i would say just really need to stop it. how many shootings does it take. how many children have to die on our street before they realize they can t just say no. they can t just block it. let s figure out what we can do. it s so sad that that we are stuck in this country not willing to stand up to say that you might haveç what can we doo make our country safer? you know well the wall street journal gun advocate say this is not a question of having laws. this is a societal problems, not the guns that are the problem. let s be real about the problem is. it s black on black violence and that s something the mayor isn t speaking about and that s what we should be speaking about. we should also be speaking about the real problem which is politicians running against the police forces. what worked here in new york city was stop, question, and frisk which kept guns off the streets and protected the largely minority communities in our urban areas here in new york city. that worked. but now you have a federal candidate, candidate for president running against the police, stoking racial tensions instead of stepping back and saying how do we solve the problem based on what s worked in the past. would you like to respond? or i can. #m rjtjj$)jjq)e to st. the facts are very clear. i talk about blackon black crime all the time. we have a call to action for african-american men to step up and into the community. but what we heard from her is the same stuff we re always hearing, a bunch of gibberish and no solutions. you can point the finger all you want, that doesn t make us safer. well, and i m with all due respect, mary, i have lesser issues with stop and frisk as long as they go to every community and stop and frisk. well, you have to target the communities where the crime is occurring. the crime isn t occurring on the upper east side of new york. do you know how many people are getting hauled in for mare w marijuana in their pockets and lines around the corner with citations that get thrown out, that throw people off course who are already struggling to get on course. are you kidding me? stop and frisk, fine, but bring it to your community and mine as well. and have the white kids with the pot in their pockets brought into jail as well. i think criminal justice reform is a separate issue and i think there s bipartisan no, it s not! it s not a separate çissue, if you re stopping and frisking you re screwing with the criminal justice system and throwing a ton of minorities in there. there is a bipartisan consensus on capitol hill for criminal justice reform. i agree with you on that, but you have to protect these communities now because it isn t is 1% elites on the upper east side who are at risk today, it is the largely black and hispanic communities in places like baltimore, chicago, new york. by the way, cities that are ruled by liberals and have been ruled by liberals for decades. these are the people that have to be protected and i m sorry, i have proposed a solution, stop question and frisk works. and creates massive racial tension, gene, can you help? well, look, there was a federal lawsuit, a successful federal lawsuit against stop and frisk in new york city and whatn the few instances when police did stop and frisk whites in white neighbor hootds they found illegal weapons and contraband at a higher rate than they were finding in minorityç neighborhoods. so the issue with that policy was always would it kill you to stop and frisk some white guys? would it kill you to stop and frisk yes, in the upper east side and lower manhattan and in places where, guess what, we don t find crime because we don t look for it there. so clearly the policy was applied in a discriminatory fashion, they had to revise it because that was the finding of a federal lawsuit. do you care about appearances or do you really care about black lives? that s where the murders are actually happening is in those communities, black on black crime. that is why the police went to those communities. mary fairness is not a matter of appearance, fairness is fairness, equality is equality. you can t apply a policy in a discriminatory fashion and that is what was found in a federal lawsuit that us cad the policy to be changed. stephanie. what she s suggesting is the way that we solve america s problems is to continue to make minorities second class citizens. again, not real solutions. my hope is that maria and the rest of the peopleç who are so unwilling to take on the nra, look at themselves in the mirror and get real. we know that we have crime in minority communities, in poor communities, regardless of race, but what she is saying doesn t help. we ve seen where the divide between the community and the police has caused. look at baltimore. caused huge problems in our community. we don t want to see that again and the solution is not going to be just stop more people. we know it s wrong. this is a conversation we need to continue obviously. my daughter by the way loving baltimore and is working in the community. i love to hear that. volunteering and tutoring. it s got a lot of great things going on, especially in the arts community. thank you stephanie rawlings-blake, eugene robinson and mary kissel as always. morning joe continues as we come right back. up next, after being whipped into shape by chris christie marco rubio comes out swinging at donald trump during last night s republican debate. could it change the race or is it too little too late? 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(vo) go national. go like a pro. excuse me. we are going to take those people and those people are going to be serviced by doctors and hospitals, we are going to make deals on it, but we are not going to let them die in the streets. gentlemen. gentlemen. please. i want to clarify something. i want to move on. that attack i want he says the government doesn t support healthcare. gentlemen. gentlemen. we are having a lot of fun up here tonight. i have to tell you. thank you for the book. i really appreciate it. donald, relax. i m relaxed. you are the basket case. go ahead. don t get nervous. myç name is makes anyone nervous. people are actually watching this at home. you don t know what s happening. gentlemen. okay. now hold on. i m going to get my answer. i want to move on. what i ve seen up here, i mean, first of all, this guy is a choke artist and this guy is a liar. this guy always you have a combination of factors other than that i rest my case. this is the typical thing he does. one at a time. gentlemen. governor kasich, you have the floor. i get a response to that. you will have a response but i promised governor kasich he can respond. can somebody attack me, please? whoa. whoa. [ cheers and applause ] that kind of sums up the night. can somebody please attack me. please? please? did you see that? look, it was like fruit salad. it was fruit salad. on fire. somebody poured gasoline on it and lit a match. good morning, everyone, it s friday, february 26. that was a hot mess. a hot mess. at one pointç i tweeted, th is you know, this is a disgrace because i don t know. even after that section soon after that they were yelling, willie, at each other for about two minutes uninterrupted. right. all three yelling at the same time. well, in that clip there the frustrating thing is they were all talking over each other and it s like let s stop, you talk, then you talk, then you talk. i thought that was an ugly part. i will say right from the beginning marco rubio did finally what everyone has been asking him to do. he came out fighting. he fought. we will be showing some of that, donny joyce is here as is sam stein, in washington republican pollster and columnist at the washington examiner kristen soltis anderson and in houston managing editor for bloomberg politics mark halperin. we were in touch with him all night as he was analyzing this firsthand. give us your report card, mark, really quickly. i gave marco rubio and donald trump a minuses, again, my grades are based on performance and how the performance affects the candidate s chances of being a nominee. rubio s performance most surprising is he never flinched. everyone else who has gone up against trump in these debates have had moments they have flinched, i don t think rubio took trump down but i do think he showed a fortitude and a lot of people and rubio were wondering why didn t he do this sooner? any impacts. bloomberg came out with polls that shows donald trump absolutely crushing everybody in the deep south, marco rubio saw two florida polls yesterday showing him being crushed in his home state of florida where he is a sitting senator. eqn your mind given what s happened over the past nine debates? i don t see any reason to think that this would separate any of donald trump s supporters from him and i think he last night was his normal self. he stayed on message, he had moments where he was really under attack and he held his own and i think he talked a lot about what he wanted to talk about. i gave ted cruz and john kasich bs and ben carson a c plus, but rubio s performance while strong doesn t eraseç the huge gap he has not just in florida but in that bloomberg politics poll where trump is in the southern states voting on tuesday way ahead, even though voters know that he is not the most conservative person in the race. we re going to get to an incredible moment of the night but first we should let everyone know we flew down to south carolina yesterday, we have a big interview with hillary clinton to show you, extremely wide ranginranging, sat down wi well over a half an hour. it was fascinating. she was very relaxed. she was what she had been in 2008 when she really went on that run. so that s coming up as well. but back to the debate. there was this moment where rubio demanded trump offer explanations for his healthcare policies and then look what happened. be aware of this, donald, because you don t follow this stuff very closely because here is what happened, when they passed obamacare they put a bail out fund in the law that would allow public money to be used, taxpayer money to bail out companies when they lost money and we led the effort and wiped out that bail out fund. what is your plan?ç i understand the lines around the state, whatever that means, this is not a game where you draw maps and you don t know what it means. that s the problem. what is your plan on healthcare? the biggest problem he s got is he really doesn t know about the lines. the biggest thing we ve got and the reason we have no competition is because we have lines around the state and you have you have you already mentioned that as part of my plan. i know what that is but what else is part of your plan? the only thing is to get rid of the lines around the states the lines around the state that s your plan. instead of having one insurance company taking care of new york and texas you will have many, they will compete and it will be a beautiful thing. so that s the only part of the plan? just the lines, the interstate competition? you have many different plans. you will have competition. you will have so many different plans. now he s repeating himself. no, i m not. no. no. no. mr. trump. i watched him melt down on the stage like i have never seen anybody. let s focus on the substance. let s talk about your plan. it says five things, everyone is çdumb, he s going to make america great again, we re going to win, win, win, he s winning in the polls and the lines around the state. every night. beautiful. it was a beautiful thing. that s america right there. what a difference between the democratic debates and the republican debates. where you actually talk about policy in the democratic debates. the democratic debates are one-on-one now and that really does help. i don t think anybody is paying attention to any of the substantive issues there, i think clearly rubio had a very, very strong night. he was on the offensive and what i think he did is what i would do if i was advising anybody to go against trump, go after him as a businessman, trump university, you ve hired immigrants. i don t think it makes a difference, though. you are if you are a trump supporters, you were lensing it through that s my guy, he was punching back and if you didn t like trump you still don t like him. had rubio started that way we would have been a different race. there is a devil s advocate theory about rubio s night is he spent all this time crafted an image as someone who elevated positive thinking, forward looking, the future of the party and to get into the mud with trump might have hurt that brand as a branding guy what do you think? i don t think it hurted him at all i think he added a dimension to it. it was not, okay, this is not a guy looking to the future. this was a guy who punched back and did not flinch. i was shocked because if you go against trump it s tough to keep your footing but i thought for the first time trump was in the position of not even defending himself but at least having to swat those things away. it was a strong night for rubio. i don t think it moves the point picture. here is the thing, though. i m with mark halperin. if you look at the polls, you look at the fact he s 20 points down in his home state, marco rubio, you look at how badly most of us think other than donald trump how badly most of us think donald trump did in south carolina, the south so we thought. compared to last night. that s what i m saying it doesn t matter. that s why i say it doesn t matter butç this is why it matters to marco rubio, because rubio and cruz are not just fighting for 2016. marco rubio is losing in the next 11, 12 he is going to lose 15 primaries in a row. he s not going to probably even get to florida, but do you know what, rubio and cruz have to prove to their donors that they are worthy in 2016 to be in poll position. marco rubio can t hear over the next three years, marco, i d give you money again, man, but you had you had the chance to fight trump and you never did. for marco rubio to be able to raise the money that he needs to raise in 2016, he had to do what he did last night. i doubt it s going to move the polls for him that much, maybe a little bit. here is another thing, too, willie, if it gets him ahead of ted cruz by instead of half a point, one, two, three points and he can go into 2020 going, do you know what, i took on ted cruz, he had more money, he had a better organization and i beat cruz and then he starts naming the states. right. because these two guys are young, they are like in their mid 40s. i çmean, how old is marco? 44, i think. 44. so in 2020 he s going to be 48 years old. so he had to do this because we were all saying, his donors were all saying, all the writers were saying why is he scared of donald trump? he proved last night even though it s not going to make a difference he is not scared of donald trump and if he s going to be the future of the republican party, which he has been called by time magazine and every else he has to prove by punching back. if you talk to them he s not giving up this time around. he still believes if he gets in a one on one with trump there is a way. you may disagree with that it s not that i disagree with that. it goes back to willie. if you look at every super tuesday poll, he is out for four right now, down in all 11 super tuesday states, probably lose 15 in a row and then he s got to go to florida where he s down 20 points. if he s 0-15, 0-16, 0-17 he doesn t run in florida because he knows he s got a bright future he may be governor in 18 or run for senator agaifç in 1. it brings up the point why didn t they do this type of attack against trump months and months and months ago. you remember 2008 hillary clinton the inevitable candidate and everyone was asking barack obama go after her during a debate, this was in the fall of 2008 and it took actually chris dodd to go after her in that debate, going after her on undocumented citizens, driver s licenses in new york for her to finally get the gleam ripped off of her. you re wondering if they had done in back in september, bakt back in october would it have made a difference? no. you don t think so? listen, i have to say this again, donny, just following up with that question, if any debate performance was going to hurt donald trump it would have been south carolina. it would have been south carolina. we went back to september. i m telling you if you just for the first time out of the box were watching that were watching that debate, you would say, wow, rubio is the guy and trump is not really a viable candidate. you re coming in now lensing it through the trump win, win, win. soç there s so much equity in m right now, there s so many built in graph a tas. people are finishing his sentences for him. if you watch last night fresh you would say rubio was the guy, but too little, too late and it s just not going to happen. we put up a story yesterday about how these campaigns didn t even put up a research to get trump over the summer because they assumed he would go away. last night was a research debate, they could have done that months and months and months ago had they prepared. still ahead our complete interview with hillary clinton. did something specific change for her and her campaign after their win in nevada? you re watching morning joe. we will be right back. jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive tomorrow in south carolina hillary clinton looks to notch her third victory of the democratic presidential primary race and we sat down with her yesterday in that state for a wide ranging conversation about the issues and her candidacy. so as you know on our show we sort of speak our mind, for better or worse sometimes for candidates, for you sometimes worse. we didn t make her laugh right at the top. over the past couple days we have said for better that you seem to be a different candidate since nevada. in fact, the second you got up on stage and started speaking in nevada,ç reminded me of the hillary clinton from 2008. what was different? what is different now? that s a great observation. i don t know. i think it does take me a little bit longer to get into the rhythm of campaigning, to feel what i m doing and how it s working and i felt just really good. we hit our stride in nevada. i felt like not only was the gain and campaign and message of breaking all barriers taking hold that people could understand it but i felt like we were on the upward trajectory. you also said something, too, in an interview, i m not sure which one it was, but it was we ve been talking about how calculating you were and how it seems to be not the person that we know personally, but you said in an interview earlier this week that your biggest challenge was convincing voters that you were not interested in what was best for you. right. you had to convince them that you were doing this for them. right. right. talk about that. well, you know ndç at misconceptions that u may feel you ve been fighting. i have to this has kind of come to me over the last months because, you know, it is painful, it s hurtful to have people say, oh, i don t trust her, i don t know why she s doing it and it suddenly struck me, well, maybe there is this underlying question, like is she doing it for herself or is she really in it for us and i ve always thought of myself as being service-oriented, always believed that i was in it for, you know, trying to help people get a better shot in life, even the odds, and i think i m just going to keep reaching out, talking about what i ve done, what i will do and making the case that people can count on me because they always have in the past. so somebody said something else very funny today when i said she just seems different and she seemed different this week, she s more relaxed, she s what we ve been saying all along she should be and it s really surprising and i think it was halperin on the set said, no the clintons actually have a 30-year history of near death experiences and then ç resurrections. so the question is why don t you just make it easier on yourself and forget the lazarus routine and just make it easy from the gaining for your supporters and friends? okay. let s do that from now on. i like that alternative. that s an interesting observation. and there may be some truth to it. right. because part of it is, though, i always feel like i am carrying a big weight of responsibility for so many people. i really do have this sense that a lot of people are counting on me, a lot of people are expecting me to help them, a lot of people are really in my corner and i think that does sometimes get me a little bit, you know, tensed up to be honest. i think i m inflicted by the responsibility. since we re getting ready for the interview and mika was writing things and she was writing notes and everything i was sitting here talking, how are you guys doing it s how a man prepares and mika said, man versus me fretting over every note and carrying notes, she was like do you want notes? i wasç like no. do you ever look at your husband and how he did it and go, it s not fair? well, look, i think mika and i understand this and maybe it s because, you know, still today when you are a high achieving woman, particularly one in the public eye, you really are just expected to perform at a higher level all the time. right. and there are not enough experiences with different styles or different approaches that women make men my goodness, there s a million different ways you can be successful, you can communicate, all the rest of t i m not telling you anything you don t know. i m not a natural politician like bill clinton or barack obama. so for me it really came through the root of service, it really came through my deep conviction that, you know, we had to make sure that this country we all love kept producing opportunities for everybody and i see that narrowing and i see people being left out and it upsets me. so i invest a lot of energy and a lot of my own emotion into what i do and i think sometimes insteadç of that being as easyo understand as i would like it could be it sometimes is a little bit nerve-racking. right. we actually saw that with jeb. a guy who knew policy forward and backwards, but in 2016 it just didn t seem to be interpreted as well on the campaign trail. you have a lot of different branding and messages out there, you have donald trump make america great again. right. bernie sanders, the system is rigged. what is your message simply? break down the barriers so america and americans live up to their potential. that is it. that s what i care about. that s what i ve always done. that s what i m talking about. i feel very comfortable talking about that. and it hit me because, look, i care deeply about the economic barriers, i think i have the best idea about how to help create jobs and get incomes rising and all the different things we have to do to get the economy growing but economic barriers are not the only things that hold people back. we were just talking about some of the gender-related issues that hold women back, there s race, there s lgbt discrimination, there s you know, a lot ofç reasons why people feel somehow pushed down or left behind. so using this barriers metaphor really works for me because it helps me organize everything i m talking about, knocking down barriers to quality health, to good education. we are in a county here where we re doing this interview and it s one of the i-95 counties that there was a big documentary saying it was the corridor of shame because the schools are so poor, they re falling down, kids are not being educated, they don t even have enough teachers. that s a big barrier. no matter how, you know, loving your family might be, you don t have those opportunities, that s going to hold you back. that s how you now think about what i want to do as president and it really helps me maybe do a better job of conveying that. so let me then ask you, you expressed concern about being held to a different standard as it pertains to the wall street speeches and you said you would release the transcripts when the republicans do. but isn t it more important perhaps to be transparent to democratic voters abotá what you said to big banks behind closed doors? well, i think i have been transparent. i have a record. i m not coming to this for the first time. people can go back, they can look at what i said and what i did when i was a senator. i m the one who called out wall street. i actually went to wall street in 07. i said, you guys are going to wreck the economy. i went after hedge fund loopholes. so where did you say that? where did you say you guys back in december of 2007. i even ran an ad in the 08 campaign, it was in 07, warning about the mortgage crash and so i m on record. i have gone after these guys, i have been pointing fingers at them, i ve been introducing legislation. so people who want to know about my public record, it s there to see. people want to know what i will do as president, everybody says who has looked at it i have the best plan to reign in wall street to prevent them from ever doing what they did to us before and i just want i want to move toward a level playing field. as i said, happy to do it when everybody including republicans do it. don t you want to get ahead of it before somebody gets their hands onç these transcripts? no. i really don t. i want people i want people to look at my record. people are treating me sometimes as though i just decided to run for president. i have been on the record on a lot of these issues for a really long time. the real question underneath this is, okay, if you take money from wall street can you regulate wall street? right. well, barack obama took more money from wall street than any candidate who has ever run for president, turned around, passed and signed the dodd-frank bill. so i think you should be judged on what you ve done and i m more than happy to put my record against bernie sanders. i mean, if you look at what caused the great recession, a bill he voted for in 2000 had a greater impact than most of the talk that we re now doing. let s get everybody out on the same field. i feel like, you know, i don t mind being responsive, i don t mind answering questions, but at some point i want everybody to have to answer. i respect that call. can you assure the american people that you didn t say anything in those speeches that would undermine your promise. absolutely. to be tough on wall street and big banks? çabsolutely. and besides i m on the public record. i ve told them what i m going to do. i ve said i m going to go after big banks that pose a systemic risk. i want you to hold me accountable for that because i will do that exactly. let s talk about this first of all. one of the kpleef complaints that everybody have is after the bail out the banks that were too big to fail got even bigger. haven t they? i think they have. whether it s bank of america or jpmorgan, any of these big banks well, know if they went down tomorrow we would all be on the line for that, right? no, we are not going to bail them out. they have gotten bigger but have been under much bigger scrutiny. if bank of america came to you let s just say any bank we found out that what happened to lehman brothers was going to happen to bank of america, your third week in office and they said, listen, this is very simple, you let us go down atm machines across america are going to shut down and our people aren t going to be able to get their money. you have to save us or the economy collapses. i said under dodd-frank we have an orderly unwin ing of your bank because you are now posing a systemic risk. but madam president the markets will absolutely collapse. look how badly they collapsed after lehman brothers, we need you to step in now or you will be responsible for a global depression. we re going to do it in an orderly way so there will not be any surprises. the reason we passed dodd-frank was to make it clear no bank is too big to fail, no executive too powerful to jail. we ve got to keep faith with the american people. i m sorry that you ve made bad decisions but we re going to have to unwind you and, yes, break you up. and parts of you will be very successful going forward and other parts won t and if there is any accountability that needs to be imposed on individual decisions we will also follow through on that. i think it s so you can make the guarantee today that if you re president of the united states under no circumstances will there be a taxpayer funded bail out of these big banks? if they pose a systemic risk we ve got the process under dodd-frank now. okay. the tools have been provided and we have to follow through on that. and the banks have to know that we will follow through. that s a guarantee of no taxpayer bailout? no, because that s what we tried to fix in dodd-frank. right. okay. my point too, though, joe, is this, i want to go further because if you really look at what happened in 07, 08 and you mentioned lehman brothers, it was investment banks like lehman brothers, big insurance companies like aig, mortgage companies like country wide. so the only culprits were not just the banks, there were others as well and i m the only one with a plan who says, hey, guys, dodd-frank is great, it gives us the foundation, it doesn t go far enough. we need to look at these other entities that pose systemic risks as well. a champion on these issues a elizabeth warren. do you see a role for her in this campaign this is a recurring theme. you can feel my pain right here. i have the highest regard for her. i think she s doing an amazing job. she signed a letter two years ago urging me to run for president and we consult regularly, my staffs consult regularly with her staff. so i am very ç let me ask you this follow-up question very much interested in what she s doing and what she thinks we should be doing. let me ask mika s follow up question. will you consider her as vice president? i can t get presumptuous, right now i have to win the nomination and then i m going to, you know, take a deep breath and maybe get a good night s sleep and then start thinking about that important decision. i wasn t going to ask that, but okay. you re glad i did. i want to ask you about something else we talked about on this show, bob woodward came with a big folder that said trump on it. he is going to be the next nominee and nobody has gone after him and i said, well, bob, actually they ve written all the articles, nothing seems to stick to him. and i said, the bigger question is not why the press hasn t investigated him, because they have, the question is why doesn t anything stick to him whereas everything seems to stick to hillary clinton? it s got to be frustrating first of all for you to see sort of the double standard not necessarily among the press but among the voters, but why do you think that is, that nothing sticks to donald trump but if you wrote something inç 1973 t press would be chewing on it for two weeks? or if you said something in 1994 someone would hold up a sign and take it out of context right in front of a speech you were doing. which you saw today which was absolutely ridiculous. i have a couple responses to this. i think part of the reason why i m going to be the nominee and i m going to be the next president is because i have with stood all this. i have been vetted. i mean, i ve been at this for decades now and despite all the incoming i m still here, i m still forging ahead because i think in most cases, most people kind of see through it and we go on together. the vetting on these other candidates has not even begun and it will and i think if you look my best my best memory on this, joe, is that the republicans in nevada had fewer voters turn out than we did in nevada. i think it was like 70,000 to 80,000. it s a very small group of people who are making this decision right now. when it moves to the general election i think you re going to see a real seriousness of people,ç whoever the republica nominate, turning and saying, what do we really know about this guy. it s most likely going to be donald trump, though, isn t it? right now it looks like that but i m not going to handicap their race, i will let them decide that. how surprised are you knowing donald trump as long as you ve known donald trump and i actually said she s exactly right when you answered the question why did you go to his wedding. he s fun, he s an interesting guy, he s fun. yeah. how surprised are you that we woke up after nevada and everybody in washington said, oh, my god, this guy is most likely going to be the next nominee? i didn t know him that well but i did know him. right. i think it s been most surprising to me to see somebody who was affable and was good company and had a reputation of being kind of bigger than life really traffic in a lot of the prejudice and pair annoy i can t and some of the comments he has made which have been so divisive and mean spirited doesn t fit with what i thought i knew about him. it s going to be interesting to see if he does get the nomination what he decides to do with it, how he presents himself.ç but he has really been offensive and in many respects surprising to those of us who did know them. let s talk about the e-mail controversy, discoveries moving forward a couple days ago that news broke. sometimes your spokes people will come out they ll say that this is a republican attack, it s it s about the right wing going after you again, but this obviously the fbi is involved, the new york times has been the new york times has been reporting on this for some time. so it s not like you could take elements of benghazi and say, okay, republicans were driving this. right. for a political purpose, but here you do have an fbi investigation. you re not suggesting the fbi investigation is politicized. no, but there s two different things. there is a security inquiry going on and, you know, we respect that, it is on its own timetable but it s moving forward. then there are these lawsuits and i think when people say, well, look, you know, this lawsuit, that s what they re talking about. they re not talking about the security çinquiry, they re talking about judicial watch not the underlying investigation. no, not at all. no. so there are two different things, they get conflated sometimes. i am, you know, personally not concerned about it, i think that there will be a resolution on the security inquiry. the litigation that others have brought and some of them are, you know, right wing outfits, those will just proceed and, again, i m not worried or concerned about them, but i do think it s important not to confuse the two. president clinton said governors and presidents can t afford to have long memories. yes. we ve heard stories in the press before about how you re tough and you re driven and you remember people that slight you. when you re president of the united states is that your governing philosophy as well if you get elected president of the united states, that you need to have a short memory. absolutely. you need to wake up every morning and forget about what happened yesterday? when i got to the senate lindsey graham was my colleague. lindsay, yeah. and we started to get to know each other. there was a lot of history there as yá÷ know, and then we teamed up to get healthcare for national guard members. i traveled with him and john mccain. we got to know each other and that is exactly what i will do. you know, there are very few people or events in politics where you say you ve got to write somebody off. there are a couple where people do things that are just to inn i m cabell and inn defensible, but otherwise you take people where they are, you try to get to know them better and then you try to find that common ground. when i was shepherding the new start treaty through the senate i had to get a bunch of republicans. i spent countless hours on the phone, in meetings. what do you need? how do we do this? what can i say to you to reassure you, what expert do you want to talk to? i m really hands on about this because i don t think there s any way other than to do that. thank you so much. well, thanks for coming to south carolina. we appreciate you sitting down with us. you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should ve done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. should be accessible to at pg&e,everyone.ve solar our partnership with habitat for humanity allows us to provide the benefits of solar power to the types of customers who need it most. pg&e provided all of the homes here with solar panels. the solar savings can mean a lot, especially for low-income families. with the savings that i am getting from the solar panels, it is going to help me have a better future for my children. to learn how you can save energy and money with solar, go to pge.com/solar. together, we re building a better california. still ahead, reports of lead tainted water in another major city. this time jackson, mississippi. people line up for free water from the salvation army. we will look at a health crisis that should not be happening. do you think when you re president you ll be paid as much as if you were man, male? do you think when you are president wbr id wbr96116 you will be paid as much as if you were a male? this is one of the jobs where they have to pay you the same. but there are so many examples where that doesn t happen. i m going wbr id wbr96416 to do everything i can to make sure every woman in every job gets paid the same as the men who are doing that job. /b does a freshly printed presentation fill you with optimism? then you might be gearcentric. right now, get 25% back in rewards on hp ink, toner, and paper! office depot officemax. gear up for great ®. if there is anything positive, if there s any silver lining out of this tragedy is it is my hope that the american people will look at flint and say, never again can we allow a community to undergo this. and while flint may be the canary in the coal mine, there are a lot of other canaries all over this country. that was bernie sanders speaking in flint, michigan, about the water crisis there. and now jackson, mississippi, has reported finding lead in its drinking water as well. i wonder if there s more to come. joining us now former white house adviser for health policy and vice pro voss for global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania dr. ez eek y all people mule. also with us leading spine surgeon and author dr. dave campbell. zeke, what s it çmean, man? what is lead now in jackson, mississippi, mean and i remember getting public service announcements like in the 60s saying don t let your kids eat lead. i can t believe we re talking about this 50 years later. my father was a leading campaigner against lead paint in chicago in the 60s, i very much remember the same thing and it causes brain damage, it causes an uptick in crime among the kids. how did this happen in jackson, mississippi, now? i think it s happening throughout the country. we know that we have hundreds of billions of dollars of problems with our water and sanitation system. we have not kept them up and the problem is that they re corroding and one of the corrosions is that lead leeches out and kids drink it. we all drink it and it s a problem for all of us, for kids in particular because they have developing brains. who is most at risk? by far young kids, babies that aren t even born yet because it targets the neurological system and the changes that dr. zeke was talking about last forever to a certain extent. behavioral problems, learning problems, cognitiveç problems, all that stuff leads into adult life. guys, is this a precursor? can we expect over the next ten year 74 nor problems? that s what i m worried about? it s a given that it s dangerous, the question is how prevalent is it and what s coming? if you look at the u.s. civil engineers they do an assessment of infrastructure in this country every few years and they have been warning that we have all these infrastructure problems, highways, bridges, but also water systems. i will tell you in my brother city, he is inn vesing over $4 billion to replace every pipe in the city of chicago and he has this nice pipe that they gave him, it s a log that was hollowed out in the late 1800s that was still carrying water in chicago. this is a big problem across the country. i don t think jackson, mississippi, flint as someone said they are canaries in the coal mine and we have to invest. they are not exceptions. this is a case actually where a failure to invest in infrastructure actually is going to cause us long-term health risks? this was a little difb)ent. flint is much bigger than the canary in the coal mine. it was many, many times worse than jackson, mississippi. they were investing in some new infrastructure when this happened in flint, they were trying to save some money and it backfired because they didn t account for the chemical reactions that were occurring when they switched from lake huron water to the flint river. and we should also say lead is only one part of the water problem there. there was legionnaires disease that has ended up killing seven or eight people and making about 90 people sick. so the water system actually has a lot of health implications and we i think we don t invest in our peril. this is one of those issues that should be bipartisan because it s the key for both health and in the long-term saves money. in jackson the maximal lead dose was about 150 parts per billion. in flint it was 13,000 at its single peak. that s a tremendous difference. so the exposure of over 8,000 kids in flint is what we are all watching and waiting and worrying about and there is a whole lotç you can do about it once you re exposed, the treatments and drugs don t work well to reverse the effect. let s talk about the debate last night. healthcare again gets into it. donald trump keeps talking about the ability to negotiate across state lines with other insurance companies. that makes sense to me just like using our power as the biggest purchaser of drugs to get pharmaceutical companies to negotiate down a price. right. makes sense, too. i don t know like you said before that he can put all the meat on the bones but instincts seem right. do they or not? i don t think that s going to solve any problem and i will tell you why. which one of those? well, allowing competition across state lines. the insurance companies. the affordable care act already permits that and actually every state keeps or retains its right to regulate insurance companies. so one of the problems is you can say whatever you want at the federal government, ultimately states have the veto power because of state insurance commissioners. why is there such a lack of insurance companies for healthcare? well, in many states, take alabama, you know, one insurer has about 80 or 90% of the market. why is that? blue cross blue shield. historical reasons and employers don t switch that much and they have, you know, done i think donald trump is right, typically in states not at the federal government but in states that are in bed with the legislators who by. by the way, can we get that on a loop, dr. zeke just said donald trump is right. that the politician that the insurers have worked with politicians for a long time. doesn t it seem insane that you have like again in some states one insurance company dominating a market to the tune of 80%, when you have all of these other options, again, it s not market driven. so they ve got everything by the throat. no, it is a problem and it s also a problem that with the new healthcare laws it is those insurance companies that set the copay and deductible. so this year, 2016, in practice i can tell you the deductible that kigq in in in january has stopped thousands and hundreds of thousands of people from actually having access to the plan they have because they can t afford that. even though the bronze plan is fairly inexpensive you can t pay the copay or deduductibleductib you have university access to healthcare you just can t afford it. you cannot afford step one which is paying your deductible. how do we fix this? how does the next president fix this? i do think we will probably see some limits on the deductibles and i think you already see employers beginning to shift off that, but the substitute is they need healthcare costs to stay under control and i think one thing they re going to be looking at is narrow networks and reducing the deductible for using those narrow networks. i think that s the trend. really quickly give me a report card on the affordable care act, all in, where we are now versus before it came, scale one to ten. march 23rd is six years. we ve done pretty well. 17 million people have gotten insurance because of this, actually despite our talking about high healthcare costs the fact is that healthcare costs have(bden flat for the last few years. i mean, not flat but they ve been much better under control. we have actually a lot more innovation. one to ten. one to ten i would say we are about a 7. so, dave, you practice every day on the front lines and have been, well before and after. what do you rate the affordable care act? i would give it about a 3 because of the fact that you cannot access that 17 million people cannot access healthcare often because they are already fairly poor. well, first of all, they are fairly poor, but we put in the affordable care act that you get preventive care for free, no copays, no deductibles, we have made a lot of other changes that do allow people to get in especially when they re sick. i agree, are there reforms we need to do, yes, but we re much better than a 3. it s a 5. okay. zeke and dave. we were a lot better in january of 2016 in our hospital and surgery center where it was a void in january, schedules were blocked, my gi fellows and colleagues told me yesterday januarqç was a void it was because of the copays it was the deductible. the deductible we have to fix the deductible. we all agree on that. very good. okay. dr. zeke, dr. dave, thank you, guys. we love having you. more morning joe in just a moment. be good. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let s get mark his own cell phone. nice. brad could use a new bike. send. 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this is a fox urgent on the crisis in the middle east. a ceasefire in limb o. hamas has already rejected the deal. they are live in gaza city tonight, conner? reporter: molly, we understand israel and hamas are under a lot of pressure to negotiate a ceasefire agreement. hamas rejected an extension of a cease four that was in place 12 hours today. both eseral and hamas held and it went well. israel offered a four- hour extension and that was rejected by hamas. hals hams fired rockets in israel and israel offered a 24 hour extension. and that was rejected by hamas. they are unhappy with the israel troops operating here in gaza and destroying the tunnels. israel said with the humanitarian offer they would have the military operating here in gaza, hamas basically rejected that and said no way, we will not accept that. what happened next is unclear. secretary of state john kery and u.n. officials are meeting and kerry is trying to craft a sos fire agreement. but right now, it looks like the potential of resumption of full on violence and conflict in gaza, molly. conner, in the 12 hour ceasefire, you got to so firsthand the damage. what did you witness? reporter: in the 12 hour ceasefire. a lot of palestinians did shopping and trying to get basic necessities in case the conflict resumes and a lot of them assessed the damage in their homes and we saw the heaviest fighting was city block after city block detried and animals were killed all over the place. it was a very, very grim sight. palestinian officials say 150 bodies were pulled out of the rubble and brings the death toll to more than 1,000 people. we expect that number to climb if they pull out more bodies tomorrow. conner powell, standing by in gas a. incredible pictures, thank you. the u.s. embassy in libya shuter ared. american staff are ares in tripoli were evacuated under the watchful eye of the u.s. military. f- 16 fighter jets and response force operated the five hour long operation. secretary of state john kerry said the embassy isn t shut down permanently, but the diplomatic activities are suspended and american travellers are advised to stay clear of libia. there is dozens wounded on all sides. the fighting is particularly intense in the city s airport. leland viter picks up the store tore from washington. reporter: molly, this is a situation where the u.s. wanted to get the people out while they could safely rather than fighting their way out later. the convoy left under the cover of drones and response. it was not needed they drove and 70 diplomats in the compound and 80 marines providing security. tripoli is the scene of chaos and violence. a source tells fox news that the pentagon said it was tomb to go and finally the state department and president agreed. evidently the ambassador and staff will remain in the region but there are no plans to return to tripoli any time soon. so many piem died to the give the new birth of libia. we hope that the people recognize violence brings chaos. there were memories of the attacks on the complex in benghazi where four americans were killed including the ambassador. this afternoon in north africa, it took six hours to get all of the americans out, the state department issued a travel warning urging all americans in libya to leave immediately because they are possible in grave danger due to security situation. moscow blaming the u.s. for the rising tensions in ukraine and the sanctions targeting rush. ia the foreign mennister are said obama s administration claim that russia was involved in the plane resulted in economic penalties for russia that endangers the fight against international terrorism. meanwhile ukraine may be making some advances in the battle with pro russian rebels. officials are closing in on a key city in hopes of retaking it this as the ukrainian president is calling on the u.s. to take a tougher stance against russia and europe to follow america s lead. steve hariggan is live in ukraine. are the russians tipping the battle in ukraine? reporter: molly, the big assertion from the u.s. state department that the russians are not just playing a role in helping the rebels by giving them tanks and rocket launchers but a direct role in the fighting and targeting ukrainian troops frommed in of russia russia denied that a sergsz. it is not clear how far the russians would go. there are role gains by the ukraine an government force. they have surrounded one of the main towns in eastern ukraine and pushed from north and east and west and a flood of refugees starting to flow out of donetsk. a lot of journalist are leaving and the fight suggest heavy. ukrainian government forces managing to keep gaining ground for now. the ukrainian president is pushing for tougher sanctions o russia? reporter: he calls for the u.s. to do even more and make targeted sanctions against russia and trying to lead other nations against russia. it is well known that ukraen is pushing and for specific help with the fighting. ukraine had more than a dozen of the jets and helicopters knocked out of the sky by russian made military rockets. that is something that the ukrainian is pushing washington for help for in addition to a greater international role against russia in this fight, molly. steve, thank you for the latest. and the major development in the wake of another air disaster this involved a air algerie plane that crashed over northern ma li and africa, calling all people on board. the specialist have now found the second black box of the doomed airliner. it could determine what caused the plane to fallout of the sky. the french president today met with families and parents to express condolences on behalf of the nation. nearly half on board were frefrp. he called for all bodies to be transferred to france and a memorial to mark the crash site. back on u.s. soil, fire courthouse are hard at work battling the dangerous wildfires burning in western states. in california a fast- moving fire burned acre near sacramento. 40 homes had to be evacuated. one homeowner said she had only minutes to get out. the sheriff came to the door and said you have to evacuate now. how afraid are you i put it on a scale of 1 to hundred. i am scared. reporter: are you at that hundred? 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meeting with those three leaders from central america, and really not coming up with any clear answers or affirmative cause of action that will stem the tide of illegal imgrants coming across the border and no explanation of why there was no real action forth coming. can you so him meeting with the president of el savadoor and honduras and guatamala. the biggest is the violence or criminal gangs or sent here on the false belief if they get here there will be a form of amnesty allowing them to stay. the biggest thing are they refugees, they can t all be classified as refugees. there may be some narrow circumstance in which there is a humanitarian for refugee status and s family might be eligible for. if that were the case it would be better there are time to apply. reporter: jane johnson directed urgent funding for local law enforcement agencies in the rio grande area and really by the recognition of the very high cost that states have to face with the illegal children coming over the southwest border and in one particular case, texas is getting an increase of $5 million to bring the budget up to 23 million to tackle the cost and equipment that law enforcement agents are having to deal with. the border is attacking all in the federal grant program designed to protect all of the u.s. borders and that shoes how the crisis has got. we are seeing in the house, the republicans there, they are trying to put together a supplementary bill to cover the cost of protecting the borders. we think that the bill they are trying to put together should come together before the recess. it will not be as expensive as the republicans feared. back to you. dommenic thank you for. we ll wait to see what is happening. our border patrol agents waiting to see what will happen in the first line of defense. later on in this hour, how is the immigration policy stacking up with other nations. the children have had harsh treatment and lack of legal repreponderatation. we ll look in- depth at 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basis and free from violence. but at the same time israelis need to live free from rockets and tunnels that threaten them. reporter: while in paris today, secretary kerry met with foreign minister ares from seven nations encluing turkey and qatar trying to figure out a way forward. what is the prospect of long- term ceasefire. reporter: there may be a short term. israel will not agree to seize fire without a co israel must be allowed to destroy all existing tunnels. because no country would allow the villages and do i having rooms and to be a tunnel exit and when any minute hamas murderers can come in and kidnap and kill our people. reporter: but palestinian official said israel doesn t need to attack to achieve that goal. they can make peace. and i don t think any country wants anybody to attack it. that applies to both sides. it is israeli occupation. reporter: secretary kerry has been in the area for a week trying to win support for a sustainable ceasefire. thank you, molly with the latest on the diplomatic efforts. a number of propalestinian protest taking part in the world including paris. some demonstrators throwing bottles and rocks at riot police. 3,000 people turned out for a progaza protest. police used teargas to break up the crowd. a quick programming note for you. israeli prime minister will be a special guest on fox news sunday. check your local listing for when it airs where you live. new tensions on north and south korea on the eve of the anniversary that marks the end of fighting in the korean war. south korea government said the north fired a short rafshg missile. the north routinely fires the rockets and but the number of weapons is far higher than previous use. this indicates that kim jong-un tends to run his regime more aggressively. the korean peninsula technically remains in a state of war because that is yet to be replaced by a peace treaty. as you know, the u.s. keeps 28,000 troops in south korea as a deterrent to the north korea. and turning 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i think charged with it pastor stephen anderson was stopped in a border patrol. what are you placing me under arrest for. officers say their police dog alerted him with something in the car. anderson said the dog never alerted to anything. he would not let them search the car and so they broke his windows and tazed him. here s what he looked like later. on youtube. we can so confrontations like that and a lot of americans are upset of being stopped on the border but mills away from the border and our government ruled that border patrol may set up checkpoints within a reasonable distance of the border. it is 100 air miles. 100 miles. that is where most americans live. it is incredible video. don t miss stossel police security versus electricity right here on fox news channel. tense moments on the ground after police stop a jet liner. a u.s. fighter jet had to get involved. details on that next. it was about buying something. and they didn :e0 e the guard. celebrate your love of crab 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at 1:00 p.m. looks beautiful. that s going to do it for a monday edition of way too early. morning joe starts right now. so barbara, you re stepping down over after 50 years as a tv journalist. do you have any tips on how to achieve that kind of success? develop a signature voice that no one will forget. wait. is that not your real voice? no. this is my real voice. ello, i m barbara wawa. the softer the news, the softer the focus on the lens. for example, an interview with the president, okay? an interview with a kardashian. president, kardashian. do not be afraid to ask the tough questions like if you re a tree, what kind of a tree would you be? or your place or mine, brokaw. good morning, everybody. it s may 12th. welcome to morning joe. it s good to have you all with us. with us son set jon meacham. hello. yes, ma am. good morning. did you have a good mother s day? yes, we did very well, i think. i don t know if she would share that. i think she might have some criticism. there could be. but there are three of them. you figure the odds work out eventually. willie geist, did you do well? feedback was positive. with the help of my children i should point out. they re so cute. thank god. did well. visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. good morning. good morning. first mother s day. first mother s day. had a wonderful day. and on your birthday. 44th birthday. you can imagine i was subordinated. three of us spent the day together yesterday. did you do the work? i did a lot of it. that s a political answer, did you notice that? i could tell. all right. and in washington, columnist and associate editor for the washington post, david ignatius. david has a new book coming out in a few weeks. it s called the director. we look forward to that. will you come on and tell us about it? you better believe it. i gave a copy to my mother last night. i ll tell you what she said. i d like her review. they tend to be the most honest. which is this? my ninth. amazingly enough. congratulations. okay. well, david, thanks for coming in early. we have a lot to talk about in the next few minutes. marco rubio, his strongest statement yet in terms of potentially running in 2016. we re going to play some of that interview. interesting concept he has on climate change. he lets that be known. also we have new polling that shows the democrats may have a better chance than you would expect in the midterms. some really surprising numbers that we re going to show. first we ll start overseas where russian separatists are declaring victory after votes in whether ukraine should have greater sovereignty. in one region, 90% supported the single vague question on the ballot. with long lines, makeshift polling places, and no international voters, the vote s legitimacy is being slammed by the government in kiev. washington criticized moscow for not doing more to halt the elections. and while much of the voting was peaceful, a city near donetsk, national guardsmen opened fire. in other areas the votes were more festive. david, give us perspective. the backdrop of this voting taking on obviously not good, but what do they mean in the long run given the fact they were almost rudimentary? we don t know. the phrasing of the question that people voted on was vague. it said, do you support self rule. not annexation by russia. yesterday s referendum happened even though russian leader vladimir putin said wednesday he thought it should be delayed. separatists on the ground we want ahead. putin certainly didn t try to stop them. he also said he would move troops back to the border. why was he saying he wanted it delayed? that s been a mystery among the analysts i ve talked to. the closest i ve heard is when angela merkel, the german chancellor, came to washington to meet with obama, they agreed if russia was seen to disrupt the presidential election, the big one coming in another ten days, that that would be reason for the u.s. and europe to impose serious sanctions on russia. that seems to have gotten putin s attention and led to these more calm, restrained statements last week. they didn t make much difference on the ground. i think we can see going into the may 25 election, russia will say part of this country has signalled it wants a different kind of future. so whatever happens, we need a decentralized ukraine that will be much more pliable for russia in the future. it also did not stop vladimir putin from going to crimea and taking a victory lap on a day that s considered one of the most important days in russia history. that is celebration of the victory in world war ii. you know, joe, i found that, frankly, a moving and important reminder of how powerfully the past weighs on the shoulders of vladimir putin and most russians. that the kind of suffering they experienced in world war ii, what they were remembering on victory day, the importance of crimea for them. the things to bear in mind, it was all on display in that visit. and we need to understand the motivations of our adversary in putin. and there it was. you know, returning to this city that symbolizes russian history to take a victory lap. if you start to look at this as kind of a doctrine for vladimir putin of protecting russian-speaking peoples in the region, you begin to look around the map and there s other places you could circle. moldova is one of them, armenia, kazakhstan. how far does this go for moscow? i think that s what all policy makers and analysts both in washington and european capitals are asking now. moldova is probably the most obvious. you have a russian community that claims it s oppressed in the ways russians in eastern ukraines have been claiming. you have large russian populations in some of the baltics that are nato members. that would be explosive if russians were on the borders of estonia or latvia. that would be a much different kind of situation. i think for the moment with putin, there s a sense this a ad hoc policy. i don t think he knows his next move. that s what makes it dangerous. turning to 2016 politics here. if anybody believed marco rubio was still on the fence for president, his latest interview is leaving little doubt he will go for the office even after suffering from immigration reform. goes as far as to pledge an all or nothing campaign if he decides to run. if i decide to run for president, i want to have some sort of exit strategy to run for the senate. that would be a decision not to run for re-election. i believe if you want to be president of the united states, you run for president. you don t run with an eject button. do you think you re ready to be president? i do. but i think that s true for other multiple people that want o run. i ll be 43 this month but the other thing people don t realize, i ve served now in public office for 14 years. i think a president has to have a clear vision of where the country needs to go and clear ideas how to get it there. i think we re blessed in our party to have a number of people that fit that criteria. senator rubio also took some shots at his potential 2016 challenger hillary clinton and her record as secretary of state. i m sure she s going to go out bragging about her time in the state department. she s also going to have to be prepared to deal with her failures. what grade to you give her as secretary of state? i don t think she has a passing grade. you think she s a f ? yeah. if you look at her time, it has failed everywhere in the world. if she s going do run on her record as secretary of state, she s also going to have to answer for its massive failures. and there s just one more. the florida senator also made headlines with his comments on climate change. last week the obama administration unveiled a major report stating that manmade climate change isn t a problem in the distant future, it s happening now. but rubio says he disagrees with the scientists. how big a threat is climate change? i don t agree with the notion that some are putting out there include gd scientists that somehow there are actions we could take today that could change our climate. let me get this straight. you do not think human activity has caused warming to our planet. i do not believe that human tft is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it. i do not believe the laws they propose we pass will do anything about it. except they will destroy our economy. harold ford, a lot to talk about there. a lot to take in there with marco rubio. what are your take wastes? first, he didn t say he wants to do differently. he praised some of had his party for ideas, but didn t lay out ideas. not like santorum or romney did saying we re for the minimum wage increase. he still comes across as a little boyish, a little youngish. he ll be 43 this month. by the way, 40 is youngish. he just turned 44 yesterday. he finds himself very manyture. but you re older than marco too. finally when he talked about hillary clinton s time as secretary of state and her challenges, he didn t say here s what i would do differently. they can talk about what they think are mistakes, but what i m not hearing and the first time i heard anything affirmative was from santorum and romney. romney on your show last week said i m for certain things. for rubio and the others to advance, it can t just be they didn t do, they didn t do, they are bad. but jon, he certainly put himself out there on climate change. i give him a pass on that. because it didn t make sense to me. there s been climate change historically and he doesn t think that man is impacting that climate change enough to justify legislation that he believes would kill jobs. right. a position that a lot of republicans would probably agree with. you know, it s this all or nothing thing. democrats are moving to our left. like televangelists where you either believe in their form of climate change like al gore said, the waters are going to rise and we ll be submerged in florida in 50 years or else you re going to hell. some climate hell. there are a lot of us who reject that. i don t associate myself with marco s point, but there are variations of that. you can believe there is climate change, as i do. you can believe that human activity has played a role, as i do. but we don t need to adapt job killing legislations. he didn t say what you said. he didn t. but believing we have to go out now and job kill, that will put more americans out. i would believe in a balanced approach. there are variations of that. damn it if you don t believe there is climate change and that, you know, that al gore s right. that florida s going to all be under water within 50 years, i guess 46, 45 years now, then you re not a true believer and you don t love science. i reject that. maybe marco s variation was a little farther than me. what i find interesting about that part of the argument is exactly why it is that the base of the republican party seems to feel so alienated from the science. what is it in the climate, so to speak, that means that suggests that you can t come to a conclusion that human activity is helping drive this and we have to confront it. not with a particular bill in the senate, i m not saying vote for this or go to hell. but what is it right now that puts the scientific community so far beyond the pail for republicans? i don t think it s science. i know it s not science any more than democrats like paul krugman are repulsed by simple math. they don t understand it. they reject it on trying to save social security, medicare, and medicaid for americans years to come. but on this issue, i think speaking of televangelists, i think the far left overplayed their back in 02, 03, 04, 05. you can look at polls. don t listen to me. look at the polling numbers from 2004, 2005, 2006. americans were actually bought in to the concept of climate change and that we needed to move aggressively on it. since that time, since the overreach, since there were the climate versions of the salem witch trials where if you didn t believe in the most extreme view, you were anti-scientist. not only did republicans move away from the issue, but most americans began wandering away from the issue. would you argue that what rubio was saying was a rational response? i would not. i would argue that was an overreach. why do republicans believe they need to have that? that s an overreach. first of all, we talk about republicans to republicans. marco s words stand on their own. i think some republicans would agree with marco going against this extremism i was talking about before. i don t know. i haven t seen polls on this, but certainly most of the republicans i talk to, willie, believe there is climate change. they are smart enough to believe 7 billion, 8 billion people have had a huge impact on it. especially what s happening in china. china s the number one producer of damage to the environment now. but they re not willing to just start shutting down factories and changing the way america does things tomorrow to throw millions and millions of people out of work. i don t know. i think there s some subtlety there. you get the sense that, yes, republicans who disagree with this point of view do disagree but also resent being hit over the head with it. you re anti-scientist. agree with al gore or you re anti-scientist. you know it s a reaction to that reaction from al gore. if you look at polls where climate change falls in people s concerns. it is important in the long-term, voters just don t really care about it. when they go to a poll, they re not voting based on climate change. that s not going to hurt marco rubio very much. seeg only 25% of republicans in particular say in a primary view climate change as a big problem and manmade. that position he took is not going to hurt him in a primary. without al gore, we wouldn t have the hybrid industry we have and the car industry would not have includesed standards. the number one emitter of carbon in our world is farming. he did overreach a bit. i m not bashing al gore here. listen, he and i said this to him. he was a televangelist for climate change. and i think there have to be those people that are out there that are pushing hard and go as hard as they can go in one direction or another and i m glad he did it. i personally believe he overreached. why are we talking about al gore? if it was someone for substantial, we should talk more. but it was marco rubio playing to the base. i suggest we move on. do you think? i disagree. rubio could be instrumental. if he agreed with you? you say he s not going to be a significant candidate in the republican party. in order to defend him, you have to move all the way around to al gore and extremism. it was a long road to defend him there. think about that one. in the long run actually, no. it took you five minutes to explain why marco rubio was okay in his answering. and he wasn t. bad answer. let me do it in sektds. a lot of us believe the left have overreached of this issue and we re not going to throw people out because of their ideological beliefs. you would agree it s not an irrational response to say republicans are overreaching the other way. yeah. including himself. if that s how you feel about marco rubio, i m a republican, i believe in climate change. i believe it s manmade. i believe that man has contributed to climate change. but marco is right. it goes in cycles. and we ll see how those cycles play out. we re so arrogant as a people that if it happened to us last week, then it is this is the worst thing that s happened on the face of the earth. you would swear to god they were the first women on the earth to have a baby. they re not. they re not. we re not the i resemble that as a new dad. we re not the first people that have had climate change. am i concerned because it s more extreme than in the past? yes. but it s also been extreme in the past. we need to see what plays out but be careful. you re looking at a guy that s been talking about wanting standards to 40 miles per hour. i ve got no problem. let s be careful and do everything we can do. i want a clean earth. you know what? industry can adapt to it. but i ll be damned if i m going to throw millions of people out of work because somebody s going on an ideological tear. no one was. it was just a question. that he didn t answer very well. but you do a good job with the question. he didn t do it the way you like. no. let s get david ignatius in here. david, was rubio truthful in his answer and would you vote for him. what does that mean? i am stricken from the record. strike that. i m taking this entire road you took us down to distract shiny object. let david talk. well, i want to break up this argument about rubio and climate change by noegt to me the most interesting thing about marco rubio is he is distinguishing himself on foreign policy from the whine of rand paul and ted cruz. he s much more traditional on policy defense issues than these other rising candidates. i think that s the news about marco rubio. he s trying to find a more traditional republican ground even as he appeals on immigration reform. on climate change, i ve got nothing that you don t know. and also on marco rubio s foreign policy, it s not an either/or. it s not rand paul or neocon. republicans have been shoved into those two corners. he s a lot more sensible. it s more along my lines which is more of a colin powell approach which resists the urges of the neocons as well as the extreme rand paul. i think he s staking out some pretty familiar territory for republicans on foreign policy. and he s doing so at a time when that s a little bit controversial. also when you talk to marco rubio, he s very good at answering his questions. i think he s going to be a tough candidate. i do too. all right. still ahead on morning joe, senior white house adviser valerie jarrett joins us on set. michael nutter is here with a big announcement from his city, and bill kristol joins the table. up next, the top stories in the politico playbook, but first bill kairns with a check on the forecast. thank you, bill. colorado we have snow. and in the midwest we dealt with tornadoes all weekend long. let me show you these pictures from missouri. this is one of the worst ones. you could see this twister, you can see how large it was too. went right over the top of this rural town. didn t do a ton of damage. it wasn t the strongest tornado. but incredible pictures of how wide it was. tore a bunch of roofs off. now let me show you a live picture, same storm, the backside of the storm in colorado. winter storm warnings. there s golden, colorado. two ski resorts are still open. and it s snowing in a windchill. it snows in colorado and may every now and then. but this is late in the season for this. let me show you yesterday, 35 tornado reports. a lot of those from nebraska. we didn t have any injuries or fatalities, amazingly. so that was great. still dealing with strong storms this morning. just rolling through kansas city up through areas around st. joseph. iowa today one of the stormier drives you ll have. as far as later today, if we re going to get tornadoes doing damage, we re mostly going to target morn missouri and areas of iowa. a lot of heavy rain coming your way in texas. we need it, but this is 4 to 5 inches. we ll have to watch flash flooding from dallas to austin. for everyone in the east coast, enjoyed a beautiful sunday. it looks like a great start to your monday. mid-80 s for the opening of the washington monument in washington, d.c. more morning joe when we come back. i do a lot oresearch on angie s list before i do any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie s list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie s list. angie s list reviews you can 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about her new book the lore of the forest which is a beautiful set of essays and photos over her 50-year career as a sculptor. people were fascinated by her artwork. the girls came up on stage. there s jen who asked her a great question. and carly s there. she talked about how she was fleeing world war 12 and a lot of ships. her boat was hit by a torpedo. but it didn t detonate. incredible story. yeah. she said the night as they were coming over, huge waves, but the light, the sky was lit up all night by boats burning. amazing. of course dr. brzezinski escaped. my gosh. the week before the warsaw uprising. they had an interesting background. then there s us. all right. let s take a look little different than mine. i played t-ball in georgia. then we had to take the two-hour drive to mississippi. it was a wonderful, wonderful mother s day. wednesday night supper at first baptist church in mississippi? come on. had dinner at a lot of first baptist churches. but not there. you need to try them. i ve done the whole tour. okay. time now to take a look at the morning papers. the washington post. the secret service is facing questions for reportedly diverting assets from the white house to protect the assistant of the director of the agency. the case states back to two months in 2011 when agents were sent to a rural area of maryland. a secret service spokesperson says the unit does not have a specific assignment at the white house and says the patrols in question lasts only a few days. the richmond times-dispatch. three people were killed after a hot air balloon caught fire and it exploded. it was landing when it hit a power line. did hear two explosions at that point. at one time the gondola may have separated from the balloon. the pilot and two staffers for the basketball team at the university of richmond were on board. the washington times, the washington monument reopens today. cracks were repaired following the earthquake in august of 2011. the restoration cost $15 million in both public funds and private donations. the monument is the world s tallest, free standing stone structure. and that is a live look right now at the washington monument finally without all that scaffolding around it looking beautiful. i m glad they used private funds do, but what more important project for $15 million could you spend? i don t understand that either. if you re going use public money, use it for a monument on washington s mall. david rubenstein gave that money. become an important philanthropist. you guys betting again? no. very generous to monticello. really? we get dwayne wade s autograph. d-wade. the dallas morning news . if you were one of the 70 million americans that purchased the so-called barefoot shoe i m sorry, those things are gross. disgusting. you may be entitled to some cash. vibram, the manufacturer of the shoes, settled a class action lawsuit. the odd looking shoes were marketed to, quote, improve health. but it is not rooted in science. customers can get a partial refund. you guys, that s just not right. you don t do that. even if it helps your feet. just don t do it. 2011 i go to the white house correspondents dinner and there wearing a tux, ruffled shirt, but a black tux and those shoes. mike allen. that s right. he s got them on right now. did he wear those. the five fingered shoes they re called for some reason. mike, what s going on, man? hey, good morning, guys. you never know when news is going to break out. you have to be ready. ready to run, mike allen. jimmy olson in the five fingered shoed. let s talk about tim geithner s book. it s out this week. there s so much to wade through. why did he write it? obviously he wants to shape his legacy a bit, but i heard him say yesterday that he thinks legacy shaping might be long gone at this point. that s right. what he does do is take us behind the curtain on a number of fun scenes. secretary geithner was in the west wing a ton because of the financial crisis. so this book hits the streets today. we got a sneak peek, a couple fun things in there. he talks about how jake seward told him to see president clinton to get some advice about how to talk like a populist. one of the candid admissions in this book, geithner says never really figured out how to navigate the ceo pay and bailouts. i was looking at the politico last night as i often do and i noticed one of the top stories is a respected conservative economist calling kim geithner a liar. tell us about that. yes. so this is a dispute that s in the book about what somebody who clearly that geithner did not get a response from before he put the book out. and there s going to be a number of these. there s something also in here about senator mark kirk he may dispute. geithner says when he was in china, he went to the chinese and said, don t buy any more american notes. we re running up a deficit. we could default. and geithner had to call china and say you don t do this. you don t say we might default on notes. another person who is a little embarrassed by this book, scott brown. senator from massachusetts now of course running in new hampshire. went in to lobby geithner and said i could probably be with you on your financial plan, but i need an exception to the volcker rule. and he turned to his aide and said, which ones were they again? you re talking about gwen hubbard who is the head of the council of economic advisers. and so geithner talks about going to hubbard and talking about simpson bowles. when you re ready to raise taxes, there might be a deal here. and he quotes hubbard saying of course we have to raise taxes. hubbard said that s a lie, that never took place. that s the conversation you were talking about there. i believe we have geithner on tomorrow. good. going to join us on morning joe tomorrow. mike allen, thanks so much. good luck with the five fingered shoes. have a good week. they look good on him. certain guys pull them off. still ahead, a dangerous and 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i have never heard him say racial things. i don t know it was horrible when i heard it. i mean, it was just degrading and it made me sick to hear it. but as far as a racist, i don t really think he is a racist. do you think your husband should apologize? absolutely. that s donald sterl s wife shelly speaking out on her husband s comments with the fate of the clippers up in the air. he sat down for an interview saying in part, when i listen to that tape i don t know how i can say words like that. i don t know why the girl had me say those things. i was baited. i mean, that s not the way i talk. i don t talk about people for one thing ever, i talk about ideas and other things. i don t talk about people. i m not a racist. i made a terrible mistake. i m entitled to one mistake after 35 years. i mean, i love my league, my part ners. am i entitled to one mistake? it s a terrible mistake and i ll never do it again. oh, yes, he will. he made another statement in that. yeah. she made him do. action on the court. the thunder dominating the clippers for most of game four in l.a. the clips mount a comeback. capping a 12-2 run. less than two minutes to play now. clippers down one. jamal crawford knocks down the three. l.a. gets its first lead of the game. okc had a chance in the final seconds. russell westbrook s three no good. the tipback neither. the clippers hang on 109-99. that s a huge win. the series now even 2-2 as they head back. the pacers also excuse me won yesterday to take a commanding series of the wizards game five in indiana. tomorrow the nets host miami in game four. and the blazers try to get on the board against the spurs and avoid being swept in their own arena. finally russia could have used him during the olympics. vladimir putin suited up for the night hockey league festival. how do you think he s going to do? where s the d, one asks? oh, my gosh. can you believe how good he is? oh, the wrister with the goalie diving in the opposite direction of the shot. how about this line? putin holds six goals and five assists. here s your final. team putin won 21-4. wow. this guy can do everything, can t he? wow. when on harold s team, you should see that. you play hockey? a lot. i bet you do. mika s must read opinion pages are next. we ll be back on morning joe. customizable charts, powerful screening tools, and guaranteed one-second trades. and at the center of it all is a surprisingly low price just $7.95. in fact, fidelity gives you lower trade commissions than schwab, td ameritrade, and e-trade. i m monica santiago of fidelity investments, and low fees and commissions are another reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. call or click to open your fidelity account today. humans. even when we cross our t s and dot our i s, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what s your policy? time now for to the must read opinion pages. at 46 past the hour. let s do the wall street journal. their editorial board writes this. obama s power lament towards the end of his speech last week mr. obama declared i have this remarkable title right now. president of the united states. and yet every day when i wake up, i think about young girls in nigeria or children caught up in the conflict in syria. and there are times in which i want to reach out and save those kids. and having to think through what levers, what power do we have at any given moment. i think drop by drop by drop that we can erode and wear down these forces that are so destructive. mr. obama seemed to be saying to his liberal audience that his heart is in the right place, that he really cares about the victims in syria and nigeria yet he as the commander in chief of the u.s. armed forces could do something about both, moral sentiments after the fact are nice, but they are no substitute for u.s. military power. you can almost hear the wringing of hands as barack obama makes those statements. you can. you can also, i think, hear that he s being realistic. and he is probably he overshares in public. he did overshare. but as ever, we overcorrect. it was not hard to find a substantial number of folks from 2001 until 2009 who wanted a president who would acknowledge complexity. now we have a president who overly acknowledges complexity. we have gone from one extreme to the other. but i think to some extent, the president s being kicked around on this stuff unreasonably. because mull tear power, do we really after the last eight years, do we really want the first question to be what can our military power do to change the world? no. also, david ignatius, some would suggest we don t want it to be the very last question we always answer the same to which is no, no, no, no. i suspect ten years from now there are going to be a lot of people wondering why an administration that actually has an ambassador to the united nations who won a pulitzer on the world standing by on the balkan crisis is part of an administration that stood by while 150,000 syrians have been slaughtered. my god. it must be anguishing for samantha power having written those words about genocide to be able to effectively do nothing on syria. i think the challenge for obama that i hope he ll address in the next two years is how does the united states project power in a period where we re not going to send armies as we did to iraq and afghanistan. the default answer can t be to do nothing. which is so often what he s done. there has to be another kind of answer that the united states as a great power gives. i wrote the other day, ought to say less and do more. david ignatius, thank you so much. still ahead this morning, senior white house adviser valerie jarrett joins us in our 8:00 hour with details on the president s new initiative that could have big implications for the economy. keystone? 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we have a lot of data in here. this looks interesting. jon meacham, harold ford jr. still with us. joining us bill kristol and in washington senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. and nbc news chief white house correspondent chuck todd. we have a lot to dig through, new polls to dig through. but before we do that, you were on this yesterday. marco rubio before you. he talked about climate change. we had a debate about what he was saying. let s roll that clip. oh, they have to now because that was the third one in. we have to stretch. no hold on. i told them beforehand we re going to the climate change clip. i could just do this. you were on yesterday with marco there. okay? i ve already had this planned ahead of them. we ve got a clip we re going to go to it on climate change. go there now. how big a threat is climate change? i don t believe with the motion scientists are putting out there that somehow there are impacts we could take today that will have an impact on our climate. let me get this straight. you do not think human activity has caused warming to our planet? i do not believe human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way the scientists are portraying it. and i do not believe the laws we propose we pass will do anything about it except destroy our economy. let me ask you because we ve got another republican on the set and it feels good. i like to show up every couple of weeks. you know you come to visit me. i do. joe thinks i come to visit him. that s generally the case with this show. people come to visit you and joe thinks they come to visit him. you think i m dumb? i m not dumb. i know. i know. couple things. do you agree with me that there is climate change, first of all. there certainly was warming for much of the 20th century. do you think climate change has done. hold on. you wanted to hear from republicans. i do. and he s making a normal answer. i think he agrees with me that humans have attributed, but how much have we contributed is e the main question. sure it s a debate. i think the practical question going forward really is what can we do, what should we do, how much should we spend. slowing down the economy on this is the issue. i m with marco rubio on that. the recent proposals wouldn t do that much about climate change in the next 20 years. at real cost to the economy. why was he doing that dance? yao got an excellent tv show here. you should have him here. he s too afraid to say the truth. the base does not care does the base even i have gone the base does not want the u.s. economy shut down. they don t care about debates about how much it s contributed in the 1950s or 80s. are you for a carbon tax in exchange for the keystone pipeline? would you be for something like that? part of the problems is we ve allowed businesses to pollute for free. i think in fairness of talking about how al gore let me answer this. not in turn for the keystone pipeline. i think that should be approved on its own merits. but we have a tax system now that burdens labor and the middle class and working class. president obama s talked about this. but no one wants to do anything about it. the payroll tax is looking at the system as a whole. and it s a pretty hefty tax. it s not a progressive tax. and if you replace that with some form of carbon tax, i d be up to that. i want to blow up a belief that was stated around this table last hour that all republicans are climate change deniers. i ve talked about this story with very conservative people and they re with me. if a republican goes in and says in the process i believe in climate change, i believe we have contributed to climate change. i m not exactly sure how much we have and i m not willing to shut down the economy on it, but if there are good ideas and we have science that we need to move on it, i d be glad to make those discussions. but i m not just going to jump because al gore me tells me i can jump. and it is startling in the last 20 years, the warming has seemed to stop. i look forward to you saying this in new hampshire. stop it. he will not be doing that. i don t think climate change denier is going to be rewarded in the primary process. to be fair, i m not sure that s what rubio is exactly saying. i wasn t saying that he was. he didn t answer the, really. he did his little careful dance and then you when we were discussing it went all the way to the al gore part of it. because i love america. . especially in the senate where the balance of power this is so interesting. the election may not be as rough for democrats as previously believed, mika. a new nbc marist poll looks at three races. arkansas, georgia, and kentucky. in all three states the president s approval is below the national average. terrible. kentucky and arkansas, it s in the 30s. and his signature health care law isn t doing much better. at least 50% say it s a bad idea in all three states. and while those are bad numbers for the democratic party in general, you d think, it s not necessarily hurting the party s candidates. let s start in arkansas. chuck todd, mark pryor up 11 according to this polls. there are some they have him up two or three points. but some other polls showing mark pryor holding on. i ll be the first to admit this is a big surprise to me. what s going on in that state? surprise to me too. i think you look at two numbers. number one, mark pryor is winning a third of obama disapproval voters. how s he doing that? well, i think it s because he s identified himself as mark pryor. not as democrat mark pryor, number one. number two, i think that arkansas if you look at it, arkansans give bill clinton a 70% positive rating. already they re able to separate democrats arkansas democrats into one column away from national cldemocrats. then the third number that tells me that maybe in this fix when you watched his come pain, i don t think cotton has run a good campaign so far. it s basely 1-1. and that tells you he hasn t done a good job of defining himself. a lot of people said just get on the ballot. mark pryor will fold like a cheap suit. it will be done. and i think that s a part of this is mark pryor simply campaigns matter. that s what this poll shows. they simply matter. you look at the republican side, arguably on the governor s race, hutchison has been running a better campaign and he s upset him. we had tom cotton on. following what s been going on. i was impressed with the guy, but what s happening in arkansas? i think chuck s right. campaigns matter. mass uf buys attacking cotton on medicare and on liberal attacks on conservatives which if not responded to could have some effect. and i think they have had some effect. i think other groups will come in and negate that. will be a good strong republican state and a good republican year. so i would bet on cotton you can t assume there is a tie. harry reid is one tough politician. if you look at what his pack is doing, they have been the most effective spender in this cycle. he s just got married. he doesn t really understand what it s like to be a 62-year-old who might be in danger of losing his job and is worried about medicare. interesting. chuck, in kentucky, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell neck and neck with allison lundergan grimes. is you just get the feeling that we re still going to be either unless a debate blows it open and grimes underperforms or something else happens, we try to figure out who s going to win that one. this is about do the anti-republican voters stay home or vote grimes? right now a lot of them are sitting in the grimes column or undecided. what happens to them at this point. they re going to vote against mcconnell in the primary. the mcconnell folks know this is the game. right now they don t seem to have any interest in supporting mcconnell in either campaign. so where do they go? can mcconnell convince them to come home? i mean, you could look at this poll and say mcconnell s up a point. he s in big trouble. or you could say he sat here, he s been focusing on the republican primary. his numbers among conservatives are actually pretty good now compared to where they were a year ago. so the campaign that s in front of him, he s doing a good job with. and once he starts focusing on grimes, watch out. that s the other unknown about her. she s basically been able to fly under the radar while mcconnell has been worried about a primary. that s a great question. and i have not talked in shock about grimes. so the characterization i m about to make does not apply to him. but i m sure he s heard the same thing i ve heard. this race is close in kentucky against the top republican in the senate despite the fact that a lot of national reporters that have gone to kentucky say she is not a good candidate. she is stiff. she is programmed. you get her beyond her talking points, she s not effective. you can tell she hasn t run a big race before. and you look at that one or two ways. but if you were a republican, i would say, jeez, hopefully mitch can hammer her when they re one on one. but why is mcconnell so close to this why is this even a race if she s really as challenged on the trail as a lot of national reporters tell me she is? well, i haven t been to kentucky and haven t seen her so i can t comment on that. but i agree with chuck s comments. they feel like a lot of that bevin camp will come back. the cockfight before he gets the bevin vote? that s not like the smartest political move, but it s odd that the senate race has desc d descended into the debate of attendance into cockfighting. we bring it up every day here. but it s going to be a tough race for the democrats anyway. it s a tough state for the democrats. obviously she has a lot of outside money coming in because people are intrigued by this. but in the end, it comes down to will those dis-affected bevin supporters come back and vote for mcconnell? you d have to imagine in a contest between her and mcconnell, they will choose mcconnell. it s not as rosy as these poll numbers suggest for democrats. maybe not. they do have a matchup, the same poll has a matchup between them. two things. cru kristol, i d love your reaction to this. governor bah sheer was able to make this thing work better. clinton won that state two times. i think mcconnell is a stronger candidate. i know allison and she s far more in than people give had her credit. than say some of the experiences in other states? could that be one of the factors in kentucky? it could be. but mcconnell s been there a long time. and i think he overcomes that probably ultimately in the general. but having a primary if you re on incumbent is bad news. i don t think primaries necessarily hurt a party when it s an open seat. i think they like to see it a competition. and the party unites behind him. but if you re an incumbent, we talk about arkansas. voters see a primary challenge that s kind of credible against a sitting senator, if you re on independent voter you tend to think, i don t know. people in his own party don t really want him? you know? so i think the challenge of bevin even though i don t think he ll beat mcconnell will be important. i also think allison grimes is underrated. she seems to be an attractive candidate. let s go to georgia. michelle nunn, her numbers seen here on the right side show she is holding her own against all candidates in the crowded gop primary. what do you mach ke of that chu? you look at this poll and nationally republicans are relieved that the top two that have been in our poll in the republican primary are not phil gingrey or paul broun. david perdue, jack kingston, they look like the two headed to the runoff. which means the establishment doesn t means the national party doesn t have to go in there and bail somebody out. they let the two of them fight it out on their own. i don t think they care that much which one they get. they feel either one of them is more electable than michelle nunn. to bring it back to kind, i ve had many national democrats say kentucky would be over if michelle nunn were the nominee in kentucky. bill, obama carries virginia twice, north carolina once. georgia, kentucky are different in that georgia s not quite as southern anymore because of atlanta. does that make it more critical if. i don t know. georgia will be a tough year. i think karen handel could make the run. one of the under-reported stories this year is republicans look like they re getting a pretty good field in the general elections. but also younger in many cases. younger candidates who are well qualified aren t going to make foolish mistax either. you see them coming together in most of these states. you don t see any of these candidates trying to redefine rape in the general election. that would be nice not to have that. it d be nice to go a whole six months without that. you know, gingrey did it, but it doesn t look like he s going to get it. thank you. still ahead on morning joe, white house senior adviser valerie jarrett and philadelphia mayor michael nutter. and later this hour, fast company was named magazine of the year by the national magazine awards. editor bob safan is here. and someone who is not on that list, roger bennett. he should be. no. he ll be here with the football frenzy. up next, as secretary eric shinseki prepares to testify about the coverups at the va, is there a way for the white house to clean up? 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well, there s no one who understands accountable more than shinseki. does he have your support? i do support general shinseki. but there s no margin here. if this, in fact, or any variation of this occurred all the way along the chain, accountability is going to have to be upheld here. because because we can never let this kind of outrage if all of this is true stand in this ko country. chuck hagel with his support for eric shinseki. secretary shinseki will testify this week on capitol hill as congress investigates the growing scandal where up to 40 veterans died. with us here now combat veteran wes moore. and director of iraq and afghanistan war veterans of america, paul reicoff. thank you. general shinseki served his country admirably a lot of people respect him. but i think everybody has been patient through the backlog crisis. they ve been patient through one scandal after another. hi showed up at an agency that was broken but sure as hell hasn t fixed it. how does he not get fired for what went on in phoenix? why is he still there? why does chuck hagel continue to defend him? why do people continue to defend him? that s the question everybody in america is asking right now. i come on your show every couple of months really and talk about a new problem with the va. this one cuts to the core of america s trust with the va. if people are cooking the books and it s systemwide. and killing veterans. even if the allegations in phoenix aren t true, the va has admitted 23 others have died waiting. this started in phoenix. this ft. collins, cheyenne, st. louis. and later today there ll be another one. and we re continuing to get e-mails from va employees, from our member who is are frustrated and outraged. it keeps going on. this just isn t new. that s right. it s not a new story. people asked me whenever i would go to town hall meetings, if irs is screwing somebody a congressman can get a response with the irs. you know who doesn t call me back, the only agency that doesn t call me back, the va because they don t give a damn. that was 20 years ago. it s still the case. there s a culture of stone walling. it s the slow roll, man. it is. and they wade out the political appointees. and really calcified this broken culture. but shinseki hasn t been able to fix it. we had high hopes for him, but he couldn t. we have to figure out how deep does this run and can he even fix it? and you have to look at the level of care that veterans are receiving. because as warfare has changed, the injuries have changed. there are many more men and women coming home with long-term injuries and brain injuries and the va seems like it s stuck in a time warp or something. i tell you, mika, why this is so heart breaking right now is all these scandals and these things are taking place while we still have men and women overseas fighting. what happens 10 or 15 years from now when these men and women are only 40 years old? if we have all these problems now, what happens when the wars are not front mind of the american population? the va i was talking about was in 2000, 2001 before we had a decade of war. this is going to get tougher. we always have a guy at the helm who doesn t know what he s doing. everyone understands hospitals make mistakes and bureaucracy makes mistakes. the degree to this is taken to a new level now because of the apparently systemwide falsification of records. purposeful misleading. isn t that right? i think if you get to that look, you can preside over a not confident bureaucracy, but it s been broken for quite a while. if you re presiding over a system that in place after place is cooking the books, as you said, that s a whole different story. and congress has a role to play here too. there are plenty people on the va committee that have been soft on these people. chairman miller on the house side has been strict. but bernie sanders has not. he s got to come out strong on thursday, get to the bottom of this. and he has to tell us why this has been going on so long. this is about the entire federal government and congress failing our veterans. sam stein? i just wanted to jump in on that point. what can congress do legislatively? i get they re going to look sbiet and hold hearings on this. but that seems to be the response to every va scandal which is you hold hearings and talk to people and then nothing gets done. what practical steps could congress actually make? what legislation should they consider? do they create their own select committee to look into something like this. we support a va accountability act that would empower the va to actually fire people. it s really hard to do right now. that s just one piece of this. we also have a comprehensive piece of suicide prevention in it. once they get done banging their chest in front of the hearing, they need to move something through. let s get jeff miller to come on the show and we ll talk about it. because he is fighting on the house side. try to get the secretary on and i don t think you will which is a part of the problem. this can zal went on for days before he did a single interview. what other cabinet secretary could have this scandal and hide from the public this long? we had jim miklaszewski on last week. he says he respects shinseki, but even he said it doesn t seem like guy gets it, just how bad it is. also just that accountability has to mean something. the veterans community has been looking for some type of response, some type of reaction. some type of emotion behind this entire thing. and repeatedly there just has not been the level of responsiveness or concern that the veterans community has earned. wes moore, thank you. thank you, guys. really appreciate it. the next installment of coming back with wes moore airs on pbs. still ahead whob are the most creative in the business? 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the secret service is once again drawing attention this time for reportedly diverting assets from the white house to protect the personal friend and director of the agency. that s just not a good thing. that s not good. hey, i ll be home in a second. do we help the president stay safe or tommy boy? well, you know, tommy did get the case dates back to two months in 2011 when agents were sent to a rural area of maryland. it was known as operation moonlight. and the agents from the prowler unit who patrolled the white house grounds were reportedly told mark sullivan was concerned his assistant was being harassed by her neighbor. for its part, the secret service has opened an investigation. sounds legit to me. my god. and acknowledged who are these men? it s human resources. go knock on her door. and acknowledged agents performed welfare checks at the woman s home. but a spokesman for the secret service says the prowler unit does not have a specific assignment at the white house adding the patrols in question lasted only a few days and were brief drive bys at the home. just let it breathe, joe. sometimes you don t need to say anything. there can be awkward silence. wasn t it like the petraeus story that somebody was calling someone. we don t need that. this sounds vaguely familiar. i feel comfortable talking about the arkansas senate races. what s going on here? up next, what do jerry seinfeld, the senior vice president at uber have in common? they all played a kiss cover band in high school. zblo bob safian is here with the answer. really. so our business can be on at&t s network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there s unlimited talk and text. we re working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues. great terms. let s close. new at&t mobile share value plans. our best value plans ever for business. how much money do you think you ll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i m going to have to rethink this thing. it s hard to imagine how much we ll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. your kids, where are they on santa claus? well, we re jewish. i found certain duties fall on certain parents. like my husband is on barf control. i can do it. he s better at it. i m in charge of feces. all the household feces are my purview. i like that in the same sentence. that was a clip from the web series comedians in cars getting coffee. the comedian was named one of the 100 most creative people in business by fast company magazine which is award winning. it is. thank you. thank you. that is amazing. joins us on set managing editor bob safian. that was amazing. thank you. it was great to see you there. it was a lot of fun. it was. talk about who were the 100 most create i have people in business? you mentioned jerry seinfeld being one of them. this is one of my favorite features we do. it s a hundred people who we have never written about before. that s the idea. this is showing the covers of anna kendrick the star of pitch perfect who s had a terrific time in the movies and also singing. on social media she has a strong following. 2 million or twitter. things with new ads around the super bowl. one of the things i love on the list, the number one on the list is a saudi princess. tell us about her. she took over her family s retail business called alpha and she runs a store, a retail store called harvey nichols. what she s done is moving out male salespeople and bringing women into the workforce which is not something necessarily embraced by the culture in saudi arabia. she set up car pooling for women. she s addressing culture. that is so cool. look at that shot if we can zoom in. saudi arabia, this is a bold move. the business is taking a bit of a hit because there are traditionalists objecting but it is the progressive forward-thinking thing that the creative people in business will do. thomas? it seems really fascinating the way you ve curated this list. you have paleo-on cocologist in here. studying bones to see how cancer developed over time. but there are also the founders of tinder and whisper which i m sure you use all the time. what s whisper? it s one of these apps on the social web where you can remain anonymous and can share information with your group or with others remaining anonymous. that sounds dangerous. okay. so whisper, i think i m going to check that one out. james carnes who is the designer of the new soccer ball for the world cup every four years. there s a new soccer ball designed. this one from adidas. it s constantly sort of if you look at the history of the soccer balls, there s dramatic changes. here s jerry a guy out of 1990 yet here we are 2014 you have him as an innovator. 35 million views on sony s crackle network on the web. you know, this is dramatic success for sony. he s also worked closely with acura the advertiser to be able to create content for acura that is constant and fits with the show but that people will pay attention to. it s also helpful for the brand. something you wouldn t necessarily suspect someone from seinfeld to engage in. he feels it s fun and important part of the media. uber. i m sure you all use it. the gentleman on here is involved in the marketing of uber, all the different things and techniques you use. tell people what it is. uber is an app you can use to call a car service and it will automatically be paid on your credit card so you feel like you re one of these big deal folks who can just show up and get a car. it s between taxis and car service. yes. and you can also get suvs. there s a different range of services on your phone. it s simple and an easy thing. you ve got a friend of morning joe here. you got him in a t-shirt. we ve never seen that before. something called the global poverty project which is really making, helping poor people around the world sexy. engaging and raising both money and impact and attention to these causes. you recognize the ceo of beats music. apple buying beats, what s your perspective and opinion of that? well, there are reports they re bidding to buy beats. if you look at anything apple does, it s not based on just one thing. it s got to fit into the full ecosystem. that s what they re looking at with beats. they have a high quality electronics product that s actually making money. you ve got a music service that can allow and help apple music and itunes to develop a streaming service in a more robust way. then you have the talent base of people who they are acquired in the process. you also have the creator of orange is the new black, and director of frozen. yes. and the woman who was the key instigator behind the lego movie. everything is awesome. very cool. we ll be checking out the latest issue of fast company. bob safian, great to see you. great issue. and congratulations on your success. thank you so much. it s great to see magazines thrive. up next, he has spent he s dancing with jen. i swear to god. okay. he has spent the past four months go jen! traveling the world vying to be one of the 23 representing the u.s. at the world cup. roger bennett is here. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase like 60,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards even cash back. and my rewards points won t expire. so you can make owning business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can. peace of mind is important when so we provide it services you bucan rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you ll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what s next. is all ready the brand ofstate the year.d berkshire hathaway home services. good to know. yesterday and what you did will do today and how do you deliver tomorrow? and how you can live with tomorrow. a very special welcome to julien. jozy altidore with the goal. you want the players to take this very seriously. it s the last opportunity for a lot of these players. i can t control who he picks at the end of the day. i know his job is going to be very tough. but if i can make his job that much tougher, that s all i can do. now with us, our good friend, analyst for espn. roger. roger. world cup coming up. world cup coming up, man. how are we going to do? we re in the bracket of death. as you ve seen, we ve been filming the u.s. team for eight days and filming with my friend john hawk. they ve been doing the hunger game in cleats. germany number two in the world is a devils hand they ve been dealt. it gets worst than just the team, they re playing in rain forest conditions. have they ever played in rain forest conditions? they ve never played in rain forest conditions. so they re undefeated there. they re undefeated there. who s your favorite this year? for the world cup? yeah. no european team has ever won in south america. germany looks remarkable. can you never discount the little sort of smurfs from spain. that national anthem will propel them. i d love to see argentina play them in the final and beat them. european teams do not perform in brazil. or the european commentators, jay. not a happy weekend for either you or me. i take no pleasure in your demise. i take no pleasure in your team didn t make the top four. everton. looked like two of the four teams were going to be from mercy side in europe. the top four clubs actually go to europe. it s a difference of it makes about $100 million pound deference whether you re in the top four or not. everton came fifth. the league came down to liverpool, plucky liverpool, who are like sea biscuit charging toward the title and imagine sea biscuit falling over in the last run. it isn t pretty. but manchester city liverpool needed mancini to lose. they were already on their vacation, westham. and nasry, how can so many awful traits be in one human being? and the truly wonderful captain of manchester city, captain of this world cup, manchester sfi won their second title in three years. cynics would say, joe, this is the most spectacular money of oil money buying sports titles. think of the new york yankees, multiply them by the dallas cowboys. it s been ridiculous. they said they re all making 30 million pounds. at some point they ll be policing this. but they bought two championships. except for plucky liverpool, the little engine that could. nobody expected liverpool at the beginning of the season to be in the top five, six or seven. what a season. they collapsed yesterday. and they came back. i interviewed john henry and he said liverpool would get a top-five place. this has scamped the u.a. john henry and tom werner, a sad ending but fantastic what they ve done. it actually is money ball. it is money ball in england where the last two transfer windows, a lot people wanted them to spend millions and millions and millions, they simply refused. they spent it on youth. they had a line on what they would spend, investing it in youth. now they re in europe. will they be able to continue or was it a flash in the pan? 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putin said he would move troops back to the border. do you think he was saying he wanted it delayed? that s been a mystery among the analysts i have talked to. the closest i ve heard is when angela merkel came to washington and met with obama, they jointly agreed that if russia was seen to disrupt the may 25 presidential election, not this election, but the big election that s coming in another ten days, that that would be reason for the u.s. and europe to impose serious sanctions on russia and that seems to have gotten putin s attention and led to these more calm, restrained statements last week. they didn t make much difference on the ground. i think we can see going into the may 25 election, russia will now say, look, part of this country has signalled it wants different kind of future so whatever happens we need a decentralized ukraine that will be much more pliable for russia in the future. david, it also did not stop vladimir putin from going to the crimea and taking a victory lap on a day which is considered one of the most important days in russian history, that is celebration of victory in world war ii. you know, joe, i found that frankly a moving and important reminder of how powerfully the past weighs on the shoulders of vladimir putin and most russians. the kind of suffering they experienced in world war ii, what they were remembering on what they call victory day, the importance of crimea for them, are things we need to bear in mind. it was all on display in that visit. we need to understand the motivations of increasingly our adversary in putin. there it was, returning to this city that symbolizes russian try to take a victory lap. you begin to look around the map and there are some other places you could circle, mo moldova, is probably the most youfs. you have moldova. astonia or latvia, that would be a much different kind of situation. with putin there s a sense this is ad hoc policy. i m not sure he knows himself what his next move is. that s what makes it dangerous. turning to 2016 politics, if anyone believed marco rubio was still on the fence about seeking office, his latest statement would state the obvious. if i decide to run for president, i will not have some sort of exit strategy to run for the president. that will be a decision not to i believe you run for president and you don t run with an eject button if it doesn t work out. do you think you re ready to be president? i do. i think that s true for many people who run. i ve served in public office for the better part of 14 years. i think the president has to have a clear vision of where the country needs to go and how to get it there. senator rubio also took some shots at his potential 2016 challenger, hillary clinton and her recent record as secretary of state. i m sure she s going to go on bragging about her time in the state department. she s also going to be held accountable for her failures, whether it s the failure with the reset in russia and the failure in benghazi. what grade would you give her? i wouldn t give her a passing grade. you think it s an f? yeah. if she s going to have to run for president on her record as secretary of state, she s going to have to be responsible for its failures. and one left, he also made statements on climate change. rubio says he disagrees with the scientists. i don t agree with the notion that people are putting out there, including scientists, that there are action today that could make an impact on our climate. you don t believe that i do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are claiming it. i do not believe the laws passed will do anything, except destroy our economy. a lot to take in there with marco rubio. what are some of your takeaways? he didn t say what he s for and what he wants to do differently. he praised some in his party for having ideas but he really didn t lay out ideas. two, he still comes across as a little boyish, a little youngish, although he says he ll, 43 this month by the way, he s 14 years he just turned 44. did he? yes. i m not saying i m old or nothing. no, but you re older than marco, too, so 43 is a bit youngish for you this week. and he talked about hillary clinton s time as secretary of state. he didn t talk about what he would do differently. the first time i heard anything affirmative, romney on your show last week saying i m for certain thing. for people to advance, it just just be they didn t do, they didn t do. well, he did talk about climate change i didn t mention that because that didn t make any sense to me. he said he doesn t think climate change is enough by people so much that it will cost jobs. there are a lot of us that reject that. there are lot of us that believe i don t associate myself with marcos point. you can believe there is climate change, as i do and you can believe that human activity has played a significant role, as i do, without believing that we need to adapt job-killing regulatio regulations. he didn t say what you said. no, he didn t. without believing we have to go in right now and adapt job killing regulations that will put even more working class americans out. i would get you agree. i fully agree. there are variations of that but, damn it, if you don t agree there s climate change, if al gore is right that florida is going to be underwater in 46, 45 years now, then you re not a true believer and you don t love science. i reject that. what i find interesting about that whole part of the argument is exactly why it is that the base of the republican party seems to feel so alienated from the science. what is it in the climate south carolina to speak, that means that suggests that you can t come to a conclusion that human activity is helping drive this and that we have to confront it. not with a particular bill that s on the table this second. i m not saying you vote for this or you go to hell, but what is it right now that puts the scientific community so far beyond the pale for republicans? john, i don t think it s science. i know it s not science any more than democrats like paul krugman are repulsed by math, they reject it on trying to save social security and medicaid for americans for years to come. but on this issue, i think speaking of tell advantage liev think they overplayed their hand. 2004, 2005, 2006, americans were bought in to climate change and that we need to move aggressive of it. since that time, since the overreach, since there were the climate versions of the salem witch trials where if you didn t believe in the most extreme view, that you were anti-science, not only did republicans wander away from this issue but check the polling, most americans began walking away from this issue. they overplayed it. would you say rubio has a ration response? i would argue it s overreach. that s an overreach as well obviously playing to the base and not reality. first of all, we talk about republicans, republicans. we ll let marcos words stand on their own. i think a lot of republicans might agree with marcos, going against this extremism i was talking about before. i haven t seen polls on this but certainly most of the republicans i talk to believe there is climate change, they are smart enough to believe that 7 billion, 8 billion people have a huge impact on it, especially what s happening in china. china is the number one producer of damage to the environment now. but they re not willing to just start shutting down factories and changing the way america does things tomorrow to throw millions and millions of people out of work. i think there s some subtlety there. up. get the sense that, yes, republicans who des agree with this point of view do disagree but they also resent getting hit over the head with it and saying fall in line you re anti-science. you get that this is reaction to that reaction from al gore. if you look at where climate change falls in people s concerns, for all the attention it gets and it s important for the long term, voters don t really care about it. that s not going to hurt rubio at all. that position he took, while it may be offensive to a lot of people is not going to hurt him in a primary. al gore but for some of his comments, we wouldn t have the hybrid industry and the mileage that we have. the number one emitter is farming in our country, though he did overreach i m not bashing al gore here. listen and i said this to him. he was a televangelist for climate change. i think there have to be those people that are out there that are pushing hard and go as hard as they can go in one direction or another. i m really glad he did it and drew a lot of attention to that. i personally believe he did overreach. that reporter didn t overreach in this questioning. why are we talking about al gore? it was someone more substantial, i think we should go on but it was marco rubio overplaying to the base. i believe we wee should go what, if he would agree with you? no. in order to defend him you have to loop all the way around to al gore and extremism. it was a long road to defend him. good look. it took you five minutes to explain why marco rubio was okay in his answering and it wasn t. a lot of us believe the left have overreached on this issue and we re not going to throw people out of work because of their ideological rampages. it s not out of line for rubio to say republicans are now overreaching the other way. coming up, a big new partnership between the city and a magazine. and the white house thinks they ve found their secret weapon for getting their message out for the mid-term elections. but first, bill karins with the weather. bill. have i a heat wave on the west coast, a snowstorm in colorado and flooding that will affect areas of texas this week and we re wrapping up a tornado outbreak. this tornado was right overthe top of it, this guy was safely in the distance, not too farp away. you can see how wide it was. it want a classic tornado. you can tell the winds were mighty strong and flying in a circle, some of that debris. 35 tornadoes yesterday, the big one in nebraska, they were saying was a half mile long last night was mostly over rural areas, which is why we got away from no fatalities and no injuries. and it is still snowing in denver with a wind chill of 25 degrees. here we are heading into the middle of may, up to a foot of snow on the ground in cheyenne, wyoming. chicago had some nasty storms yesterday. you could get a few more than. and san antonio, you re going to get drenched. that s a flooding threat there in texas. and even storms late today in new york and d.c. as it s feeling very summer-link and very humid. look at these live pictures from denver. wow. good luck with that. it will melt soon. you re watching morning joe. call on me, come and see me, i m the same boy i used to be avo: with expedia you always get the lowest price book any flight or hotel and if you find it for less we ll match it and give you fifty dollars back that s the expedia guarantee little things, anyone can do. it steals your memories. your independence. insures support. a breakthrough. and sooner than you d like. .sooner than you think. .you die from alzheimer s disease. .we cure alzheimer s disease. every little click, call, or donation adds up to something big. alzheimer s association. the brains behind saving yours. as the company that s all about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? 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if you re a low-wage worker and you leave, you could lose your job. you re certainly going to get docked for the day s work. what can the employers do to make sure they can retain that talent. sometimes women are dropping out of the workforce because they can t make it work. as the president likes to say, when women succeed, america suc succee succeeds. how much of this is modelling corporate practice and how much is legislate of? it s not either or, it s both and. we want to highlight practices around the country where they have evidence that it s making companies more profitable, they re retaining talent, they have less turnover and let s look at more what we can do. the president signed an executive order requiring all federal contractors to not discriminate or retaliate against employees for sharing pay. we ve been calling on congress to pass a similar bill that would affect all employers. there are steps we can take legislatively but we want to show what we can do. i m working with some companies next friday, censure, bank of america, all of them are working on a business model to ensure women stay, which is something new. back when i was having little children, most of my friends quit because they made as much in a week as it did to pay a baby it made no sense for them to stay at work. exactly, it cost more to pay for day care. what you re finding is people are much more demanding and they will hop to another place. employers are understanding in or to be competitive you can work for a company through technology. you can work anywhere in the world. this is not a political issue. this is an issue about what you re going to do to be globally competitive. many in the private sector do understand it and are putting in place best practices but many of lagging behind. the goal is to put the spotlight on the issue and give policies and programs that have been put in place in both the private and public sector that enhances it. and there are partners, aetna, they looked at it and put measures in practice that s why under the affordable care act that providing preventive care was so important. women often put themselves last. if you make preventive care for women, whether it s screening for cancer or contraception that move will pay you back but not for a long time. and same with these companies. aetna had put these policies in place and literally it did make their business grow and it affected profits. so there s a reason to do this that goes beyond just being a good citizen and doing the right thing and being nice to women. i mean, come on. it s good for the bottom lien. as you ll find in the private sector, that s the real motivation. that s what we really want to highlight. thank you for having the summit. i m invites myself there. oh, no, she s invited. this is something we ve talked about, what more can we do to get women to stay in the workforce and thrive so we you two, you have to demonstrate what you bring to the table. eleanor roosevelt can vouch for us. joe is part of his because of how supportive he s been of mika and the folks here at msnbc. valerie, thank you so much. it s good to see you. and this weekend is my know your value women s conference. gayle king is going to be the key note speaker. you won t want to miss my show. we ve picked five women who will compete on stage live, pitch off for a $10,000 bonus. they will pitch me and tell me why in two minutes or less they deserve a bonus. that is terrific. joe will be a celebrity judge. it s all up to me, believe me. it s going to be so excited. $10,000 bonus right there, just pitch it. women have to put it on the table and say what their value is and learn what they have to do and join it. coming up next, forbes magazinemagazine showcasing the talent in the country. next on morning joe. shine the light, won t you shine the light when salesman alan ames books his room at laquinta.com, he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can check in and power up before his big meeting. and when alan gets all powered up, ya know what happens? 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we re a city of first. we are experiencing this huge explosion of population, especially in the millennials, we support entrepreneurship, i.t., all of these sectors are growing in philadelphia. we re excited. and all the exception things these days, randall lane, are done by kids. seriously. talk about feeling old, even thomas feels old. i do. i m getting a fake i.d. we re talking about 50-year time horizons. when you type in forbes into google is forbes 30 under 30. we had 8 million page views in just the first week we put it up. this is becoming a phenomenon. we re bringing together over 1,000 of these game changers, people who are changing the world right now. this is one of the most influential audiences can you find. they are going to run the country for the next 50 years. they re doing right now, multi-billion companies by the hundreds. 23 years old, co-founded snapchat? and he turned evan spiegel turned down $3 billion. they offered him $3 billion for a company with no revenue and he turned it down. he said i don t want to sell out for one-time small pay day. when $3 billion is your one-hit pay day, you know we ve had a paradigm shift. but is there heat on this for snapchat to dissipate when he didn t act on something like this. that s what s so exciting about this is these people are truly disrupting, they re coming up with ideas that people, frankly, who are older can t think of because they re digital thinkers. we have 15 different categories. 30 under 30 is under 30 in 15 different categories. we ve done it for three years. it s over a thousand of the most disruptive people coming. and maria sharapova finds herself almost reinventing herself where she is in her business model going forward. these are people who think entrepreneurially. it s not just what she s doing on the court and it s not just endorsements. 20 years ago with a game like that and a face like that, it would just have been endorsements. she wants to be an entrepreneur. that s what she s coming to philly for. this is innovation going on all across america. we re exciting to be hosting this kind of event and activity. it really is a spread of a different mindset. again, this partnership, philadelphia, if you want to talk about revolution, few folks have an idea that will create a country. it s the first startup right in philadelphia. i would have thought all of them would have been 29 1/2. 21 years old? palmer luckey. palmer just sold the facebook for $2 billion, his occulus, the virtual reality goggles. you had to have things like revenue and profits ten years ago. now an idea can be so powerful that you can create billions with the power of your mind. mayor, i want to ask you about the minimum wage. sure. thank you for doing what you did. you raised it for city workers, how much? it goes to $10.88 and then it goes to $12 and we ll add a cpr to that every year. tell me about the dramatic economic ramifications of that. you will lose so many jobs and have such trouble with that, wouldn t you? no. we think that fortunately many of our contractors are already paying more than the minimum wage. if philly it s called a living wage created by one of our city council members. i ve partnered with him. we have a number of first tier contractors, the contractors of our contractors. we want to raise their wages. i inequality this is 78 cents over what the government s is. how do you leap over? we have 150% of the state or federal minimum wage. we re already at 10.88. there a number of workers who were not covered. weep have a ballot initiative sponsored by the councilman that will come up next tuesday to cover all those workers. i wanted to get a jump start on, it work with the councilman and add by executive order, we can direct what our contractors pay and by executive order i m taking that to $12 an hour that s great. if thes wou white house needs a market city, philadelphia can provide it. we think it s time as the city, as our workforce moves through the tail end of this great recession that others at the lower income scale they need to be boosted and we need to lift them up. you have to lead by example. i m hoping other employers will follow our lead and look in its of their workers and see where they might able to raise some folks up and help lift them out of poverty. mayor michael nutter which look to me to doing the right thing but not to many. make your apartment work for you. uh-oh. also, one of oreo s largest competitors is about to stage a comeback? 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yeah. they went away in 2002. kelloggs got rid of them and they are making a comeback. they were the original ones that predated oreos. i think oreo copied them and took control of the market and then hydrox went away. double stuff oreo, that want oreo. that was just a double oreo. i know, i had a bad experience with double stuff. can we share? can we hear the story? similar to nutella. i ate a whole box of just the double stuff inside and then i broke out in hives all over. one would. by the way, guys, i loved your interview with philadelphia mayor michael nutter. i m going to get in trouble for saying this. philadelphia is better than new york in restaurants. the hottest restaurants in market, the best chefs are moving to philadelphia. philadelphia an unsung hero. meacham can come, too. my treat with meacham s credit card. thank you. up next, the very effective argument congressman trey gowdy is making why democrats should back off the argument that republicans are benefiting off the benghazi investigation. keep it right here on morning joe. cars are driven by people. they re why we innovate. they re who we protect. they re why we make life less complicated. it s about people. we are volvo of sweden. on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know that game show hosts should only host game shows? 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an apparent winner missouri. and governor john kasich easily won ohio with an 11-point win over donald trump taking 47% of the vote. trump added 194 delegates to his total yesterday, bringing them to 656. ted cruz had a disappointing night, only took home 32 delegates to finish the night at 408 and kasich added 75. and trump is now more than halfway to the delegates he needs for the nomination on the first ballot at the convention with 581 to go. what a big night for hillary clinton. clean sweep. it was a clean sweep. you can t overstate how big this was for the clinton campaign. secretary clinton won by double digits in florida, north carolina and ohio and notched razor-thin victories in missouri and illinois. for much of the evening, those two races were too close to call but nbc news has now declared clinton the apparent winner of each. in missouri, she edged out senator sanders by less than 2,000 votes but she picks up 363 delegates. bernie adds 282 and now clinton is two-thirds of the way to the total she needs to clinch that nomination. all right, so with us on set this morning, the managing editors of bloomberg politics and hosts of with all due respect mark halperin and john heilemann. in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. in cleveland, ohio, nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing who literally works around the clock. she works around the clock. she s everywhere. mika, last night so many headlines you could go with. i know. you can go with marco rubio, you can go with the donald trump, you can go with hillary clinton. having massive nights, the front-runners. but this was what a significant night it was, john heilemann. what s your big takeaway from last night? hillary clinton is going to be the democratic nominee and donald trump is not quite as certain to be the republican nominee but pretty like ly. obviously marco rubio out of the race but something we re not used to saying, a very bad night for ted cruz. we ve always talked about ted cruz overperforming. last night, wow, a bad night from beginning to end. they wanted to come away with victories and more delegates than they got by targeted congressional districts. he doesn t have the clean 101 fight he wanted and he doesn t have much of an argument to say here s a clean path. his campaign put out a memo saying here s our path to the nomination, we re the ones that are going to beat donald trump but it s a tough road for him and john kasich not just to make the argument that can beat donald trump but to stop the number of delegates to stop donald trump. last night the rich got richer, the poor got poorer. trump and clinton had massive nights. and both showing strength in different states. we thought there were a couple states bernie sanders might be able to pick off, he didn t get any of them. we thought ted cruz would win missouri, looks like he didn t win that, either. it s an amazing place we re in where ted cruz has become the establishment candidate. the guy who s loathed in washington, who was supposed to be the outsider in the this race got out-outsidered by donald trump. i think john kasich had a big night and i guess there s a path for him depending on how things turn out and he elualluded to i about going to cleveland. well, going to cleveland but he has to stop donald trump from getting 1278 delegates. there s no math but a possible path that s out of the ordinary. out of the ordinary, no doubt, but that depends on an open convention and we don t know what the look like high hood of that is. but if you look at john kasich last night, a lot of democratic crossover votes. that s fascinating. i feel like he s one of the ultimate crossover candidates that fit in the mainstream of thinking and it could be so interesting to see him up against hillary clinton. that could be a fascinating, facinating and possibly really constructive for our country race, chris jansing. well, it s so fascinating what i saw last night. i was in suburban cleveland and the number of crossover votes at this set of four districts, four precincts, usually they would have 2-1 in favor of republican voters. it was 3-1, most of them crossover voters, democrats crossing over to republicans and these are life long democrats. one woman told me her entire family had a meeting and made a decision, a gut-wrenching decision to register as republicans and vote for john kasich. another person told me he and his wife said that they made that decision even though they really don t like john kasich as governor but they felt very strongly that donald trump was dangerous. you know the dynamic here in cleveland and the cleaveland area. these are folks who often come from families that are very ethnic and bound to the democratic party, union families bound to the democratic party. the idea that their name will be associated with the republican party for four years is painful for them and yet they did it and so we saw how much that made a difference last night. across the state i think the crossover was 8%. before we get to hearing from the front-runners, you and mark alone really alone predicted rubio wouldn t make it and last night he called it quits. what was it about the campaign that you saw so early on? well, you know, what i saw early on was the fact that he just wasn t ready. he wasn t at the level yet. he was being called the republican savior by time magazine right after he got there and then i think what is just the blocking and tackling. there are a lot of people making a lot of different excuses this morning. at the end of the day donald trump is an exception. he s a one-off. he s been a celebrity for 40 years. my brother started following donald trump in like 1989, stock? you re not going to run into those many candidates. just put donald trump over here. well. at the top. at the end of the day, though i m just saying why is trump winning. at the end of the day, politics comes down to blocking and tackling. mark, i know what you and i have been talking about for six to nine months is the fact that they didn t have any early state that they said they could win, they didn t have any political basis. they said these are our people we re going to target. there wasn t a ground game. politico has a story this morning about the fact that activists couldn t even find their field offices in iowa or new hampshire. i mean, at the end of the day, blocking and tackling still matters. unless you ve been a celebrity for 40 years. those basics matter a lot. i d add two other things. one is, there were no signature issues. what was he running on? what were the policies important to him that broke through? the other thing, that was canary in a coal mine. he didn t raise money the way bernie sanders does on the internet. the young guy who talked a lot about the new economy with a brand that should have been good for the internet, he never caught on with that grass-roots investment in the tens of millions of people around the country. you know what one of the great ironies, willie, is, and he pointed this out last night. he talked about himself and the life that he led. living paycheck to paycheck. only repaying student loans late in life. for some reason donald trump, a manhattan billionaire connected with the working class voters and the populists who run this party now. let s just let s just say it. run this party. i saw a stat yesterday that with working class voters he had 2% of working class voters. 2%. they was college educated and ka candidate. he did well in the suburbs. that s not the republican party of 2016. it hasn t been the republican party for about 30 years now. but the guy that had the best story to tell did not connect on a gut level with the people who now run this party. and he told the story again last night. he came out and made his stump speech again, a guy who maybe was talking about coming back in 2020. here s what i believe, here s my story once again as he leaves the stage. the question will be can he recover if this? smart people you and i both know the republican party, steve schmidt was saying he s got his future ahead of him, he ll learn lessons and come back stronger. i suspect we haven t seen the last of marco rubio. and let s not rule out him teaming up with somebody. i predicted that last night. they both denied it, but let me tell you something, when republicans stare down the barrel of a decision where it s like is hillary clinton going to pick the supreme court justices for the next four to eight years or do we hope we can influence somebody to pick for the next four to eight years, if it s donald trump or ted cruz, we ll see what happens. people like haley barbour are going to marco rubio saying you have to do it for the party what s marco rubio going to do? i ll give you another problem with the rubio and can da sichlt his fundamental argument wasn t an ideological mardi gras meeii. it was generational. your party is not the democratic party. the democratic party has always been attracted to the kennedy or obama figure, the republican party doesn t do that. in rubio s case he not only that ingrained problem with the party but he looked like the republican barack obama and in a party this spent eight years saying barack obama was not qualified, didn t have enough experience, didn t have a serious enough resume, how could you then look at marco rubio who had basically the same qualifications and scanned resume and say we re going to embrace that guy. nobody in washington saw that. nobody in the media saw that. nobody that even the donor class saw that. the republican voters saw that. yeah. and they said wait a second, we re not going to pick a republican that reminds us of barack obama. nobody said it because rubio checked off every single box you would want your dream candidate, your republican savior to be. but it goes back is it brit hume that said you can make the dog food, you can market it but if the dog don t eat the dog food, tough luck. the rank-and-file republican voters that own this party now, working class, middle-class republicans, just didn t buy it into. i think you ve tapped into how they feel, which is ultimately where it goes. last night, donald trump appeared before a select group of supporters and reporters in what was billed as a press conference though he took no question in the ballroom of his club in palm beach, florida, flanked by his family and small campaign staff, his quote/unquote squad. he began by talking about his poll numbers saying those who say he has a ceiling of support, they simply don t get it. one of the commentators, who i m not particularly fond of but these are minor details, said but donald trump doesn t get over 50%. and i have to explain to these people, they don t understand basic physics, basic mathematics, basic whatever you want to call it. when i don t get over 50, we have four people, right? we have four people. do you understand that? we will someday in the not too distant future if i win, otherwise it s not going to happen, i have to be honest with you, but apple and all of these great companies will be making their product in the united states, not in china, vietnam, and all of that. one of the broadcasters was saying is there anger? i said i guess i m supposed to say no, there s not, we love the way things are working, we love the deal you made with iran, it s wonderful, you give them $150 billion, we get nothing, we love all the deals, trade deals are wonderful, you lose $500 billion a year with china, we lose $58 billion a year in terms of imbalance, it s a total imbalance. we don t make good deals anymore. we don t win anymore. as a country we don t win anymore. and they asked there anger from your people? i said there is anger. they re not angry people but they want to see the country properly run. willie, a huge night for donald trump but, you know, we ve been laughing at candidates all year that have lost and talked like they won. last night at the beginning of the speech you had donald trump who had a massive night who talked like he lost, going after the press, going after will somebody tell the man stop looking at the polls he s winning at the polls? the. it s amazing, no slight is too small. no slight is too small. he opened the speech going after somebody he had just been watching on tv. he s talking an about economist poll and he just had one of the biggest nights he s had all year. these are small details, as mr. trump was saying. these are not small details, he had a massive night last night and he s complaining about what the press is saying and he s pointing to an economist poll. if you win at the ballot but you don t to point an economist poll. i think it s time to put your head down, declare yourself the winner and maybe declare yourself the nominee. it s interesting, there are reports about the stop trump movement. there s going to be a meeting later this week and the hedge fund guys are getting together. no rush. seriously. what a joke. it s becoming a parody. you re not stopping trump, if you want to stop trump, do something differently. otherwise they have to line up behind him or find a way to stop him. what they re doing isn t working. if you want to stop trump, launch an independent conservative bid. that s the only way to stop donald trump this year. mark, you look at the numbers, he s outspent 10-1, up to close to $20 million in the state of florida and the longer the ads were on the air, $35 million attacking donald trump ahead of tuesday s primaries, think about it, the longer those ads were on the air, the higher his poll numbers went in florida. they were ticking straight up in florida all over the two weeks he was getting attacked on the air. if he s to be stopped and i think we re skeptical he can be at this point it will be by ted cruz or john kasich. no stop trump effort, no meetings in washington, no ad campaigns will stop him. it will be one of those two guys finding their voice. look, the point willie makes, you have to stop trump. you got time on friday? i got time in my schedule next monday. there s been no urgency for nine months when they ve been talking about stopping trump. i think that that s right. it has to be a candidate the stop trump movement could unite behind one of those candidates and they might help financially but there s still got to be a candidate who wins and you look forward on the calendar, you have contests on tuesday in utah and arizona, arizona donald trump very strong, very good trump state. ted cruz might win in utah where there are mormon voters and cruz has done well with mormon voters. the next contest is april 5 in wisconsin where you could have a three-way race there. i don t know how that will turn out but it s not like right now, at least, there s not like a moment where you could put a brake on donald trump that will be an obvious moment to slow him down. he will probably win one of those two contests next tuesday and get another 50 delegates from arizona in a winner take all state. very tough to stop with math and momentum on his side. and he goes to his strength. sam stein, on the democratic side, how big of a night was last night for hillary clinton? it was pretty shocking just i mean, it was a sweep across the board, right? yeah. i mean, heading into the night, it actually you know, the calculus isn t all that much different because heading into the night her delegate lead was insurmountable. bernie sanders was making a play because he had come off this michigan win where it looked like maybe she had vulnerabilities in the rust belt, that trade was a particular vulnerability for her but that last night those wins it just put that argument to rest a little bit and they re symbolic but they netted her more delegates. at this juncture, you have to basically conclude that she s going to be the democratic nominee barring some incredibly unforeseen thing that happens and, remember, these contests are the democratic side are proportional so bernie would have to not just win these states, he d have to win them big time. now the choice left for bernie sanders is how long do you draw this out? how much do you attack hillary clinton in the upcoming states versus how much do you let her kind of make that shift towards the general election? which she did start do in her speech last night, really making a contrast from w trump. she talked almost exclusively about donald trump last night. she also mentioned income inequality. i like that a lot. she s adopted a lot of what he s going to say. but sam is right, bernie sanders will have to decide at what point. you have a lot of people who support you, who love you, love your message but at what point is it time to realize you probably won t be the nominee and if you want to help hillary clinton stop donald trump, step to the side. he may not do it now, he s got enough money and support to stay in but when is that moment? he s got a lot of contests in the near term he can win so it s a little bit different. he s less likely to be the democratic nominee. her math advantage is greater than trump s is in the republican party but sanders can be competitive in arizona. there s an idaho democratic caucus that same night and then you have alaska, hawaii, and washington state. sanders could win five of the next six contests so he s got something to stay in this race for. but he has to blow them out. i mean, he has to win huge numbers of delegates in all those states and because it s proportional, that means really racking up the margins. we want to mention a big story for our viewers in washington, d.c. if you work in the nation s capital you are in for an extremely rough commute this morning because the entire d.c. metro rail system, the nation s second-largest, was shut down at midnight last night for 29 hours to allow for a system-wide safety inspection. the unprecedented shutdown comes after a cable fire earlier this week caused massive delays on three subway lines. the metro is expected to reopen tomorrow at 5:00 a.m. and, by the way, chris jansing, we ll let you get some sleep. thank you so much. we ll see you on the air i m sure soon, very soon. 3:00 p.m. this afternoon. oh, boy. so a little bit of sleep. still ahead on morning joe, we ll talk to donald trump after his big wins last night and later, former presidential candidate carly fiorina joins us. she s now supporting ted cruz. plus david plouffe who went from opposing hillary clinton in 2008 to supporting her today. mark leibovich on the deflated marco rubio campaign. and chuck todd with an eye on what comes next in this wild race for the white house. up next, michael steel reflects on the current state of the republican political machine that he once led. but, first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? 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[ cheers and applause ] 26 past the hour. that was hillary clinton in her victory speech last night. big, big night for her. joining us now, former chairman of the republican national committee and msnbc analyst michael steele. you know, the outcome last night is leaving a lot of republicans, michael, wonder where to turn, where they are turning and 51% of voters say they would definitely vote for donald trump if he was the nominee. 19% say they probably would but nearly three in ten say they wouldn t. 61% of republicans who didn t vote for trump last night say if forced to choose between trump or clinton this fall they would consider a third party candidate. also a majority of kasich voters say they wouldn t vote for trump if he were the nominee come november. 47% of rubio voters and 36% of cruz voters say they wouldn t vote for trump. what are we looking at? michael, donald trump a lot of people not voting. a lot of people not voting for donald trump. or saying they re not. saying they re not. there you go. what does he do? what does the republican party do? what do conservatives do? on the front end of this, trump is in a position where he needs to make the pivot and you ve been gun to hear it towards bringing the party towards him. because he knows this is out here. he knows how people are feeling. you have to establishment types who have the dump trump effort under way. they re having a meeting coming up this week to talk about how to do that. but the reality of it is he s in the best position and the only position to bring everybody closer to him, work those cruz voters out there, certainly work the voters for the other candidates who left the race. the problem is, and we ve been saying for some time, he has to make the turn. last night after winning he s tweeting negative attacks against megyn kelly. the very people he s going to need, he needs to reach out to the republican establishment that s been kicking him. to megyn kelly who s been kicking him. instead of calling the media disgusting. like those tactics are not going to get those 33% of republicans over to him. he s got to make the tush or he will get swamped in the fall. that s the key thing. he has to understand and the people around him have to make it clear to him that at this stage he can t afford to have a third of his party stay out of the game. he has to figure out a way. you can build the bridge to the establishment in washington but you have to turn the hearts and minds of the voters. i don t know if he has it in him, john heilemann. i don t think he does. after my first primary on a very small level but it was an ugly primary. it was personal. they attack med personally. i was one of these i m going to stay above the fray and not attack back. that was the last time i did that because it was really ugly and nasty but the next morning i got on the phone and i said i should haven t won this race to my opponent. i can t win without you, tell me what i need to do, please help me. i was in a position of strength. i got on my knees and begged for help. and that s not weakness. i begged for help and you know what? the next time a nasty article came out about me, my opponent lois benson, had nice words for me because we made peace quickly. that s what you do to move beyond. donald trump last night attacking megyn kelly on twitter, calling the press disgusting and quoting a i want to swear, an economist poll when the guy has just won the boards on one of the most important night of the year. as willie said, no slight too small for him to ignore. if donald trump is the nominee, he s going go into the general election as an underdog. the democratic party has won five of the last six popular votes. hillary clinton will be strong with barack obama s coalition. he won t be the favorite. he ll have to be the underdog and win fighting an uphill battle. he s already alienated a bunch of hispanic voters, alienated a large swath of non-white voters. he s got real problems in a general election. so in order to win, if donald trump wants to win, the first thing he has to start to do is unify his own party because if a huge chunk of his own party isn t with him and the democratic coalition is against him, he s done. he can t win a general election. first step, pull your party together and because you won t win without your whole party behind you. if you re the republican nominee and you re fighting the biggest star at fox news when you re on the verge of locking down the nomination you got it backwards. can t win the general election without his party behind him. cannot. so the overtures to the speaker and the majority leader in the senate, those are good and important steps. he needs to step that up, ramp it up more. but you said the key thing, he has to go to the folks he s defeated in the primary process and say i can t do this without you. you don t need them to come on board to be a part of your team, per se, like you ve seen with christie and carson, but he needs to have the others to help him turn that corner with the base because they represent the 60 plus percent out there sitting there going i don t know. do you think those guys, though, are happy to turn the corner for him? no. he s not john mccain. he s going to have to work i it. we have bill kristol coming on the show, he ll never support donald trump. but you know what you do? you go and ask for his support and guess what you do? you let them kick you. i know it s not in donald trump s but i m telling you, it s not natural for me. but when you put on the helmet and play politics you sit there and let people who have been lying about you far year, i m talking about myself now, who have been trashing your character for a year, who have been doing everything they can to destroy you, after you beat them you sit down in their office and you let them kick you for an hour and you apologize then you say i would love to have you on board. i know donald won t do this but if you want to be elected president of the united states or if you want to win as dog catcher that s politics 101. when you win that s when you have to be your most gracious. it s called life. it s humility in victory. every candidate knows that. the problem is donald trump has never been that candidate so he s bringing a businessmenalty where i consume, i grab the space, i own it and i vanquished my enemies and move on. but in politics you don t get to do that. and when we had rudy giuliani three or four months ago, we asked about donald trump, he said he s never seen anybody like him but donald trump is the only person he s ever seen going into negotiations where everybody says i ll give you this. he said donald trump goes into negotiations and he doesn t want to leave the winner, he wants everybody else to leave the loser. with him winning. it s a zero-sum game. that may work in some business negotiations. they may work in real estate. doesn t work in politics. nobody s ever been elected president without performing abject acts of self-abasement. and that s not donald s style. we can t see paul ryan s name on the ballot yesterday so that mean he is isn t interested in being presidents, right? 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if the convention asked you to do it? i think you should run for president if you want to be president. i m not running for president. i made that decision consciously not to. i don t see that happening, i m not thinking about it, i m happy where i am. so no don t intend to do it. you re not making a sherman statement to that. i haven t given any thought of this stuff. people say what about the contested convention? i say well, there are a lot of people running for president. we ll see. who knows? who knows, that s fair enough. he would be an interesting mark halperin choice. certainly conservatives would line up behind him. there s a split in the party for those who think you can stop trump at the convention. some say if it s not trump it will be kasich or cruz, someone who runs. there are those who say no, it will be someone else. if it s someone else most people say it could be paul ryan. he could be a consensus choice at the convention that answer i find intriguing. much different than the kind of answer he s given up until now. maybe he just slipped up and didn t know how it would sound but that sounds like he know there is will be a huge vacuum and he might be the one that gets the chance to fill it. it seems to me, michael steele, if the guys couldn t beat him at the ballot box you don t give them if there s a brokered convention, you don t give it to the guys at the ballot box, you have to go outside that group, right? you would. in a sense of fairness in any normal convention setting where you have a contested convention, that will be the case. but that won t be a normal convention setting. you have understand. i cannot emphasize this enough that the trump voter, supporter, delegate going to that convention will be more than determined to make sure donald trump walks out of that convention with the nomination. everything else be damned. because their passion for him and what he s done to bring in new supporters, new voters is heart felt. so we ve already begun to hear and see in the social media univer universe the anchoring to go in for the fight. these folks will come in to cleveland ready for the fight so everybody better strap in and get ready. if you re going to play any other card than laying the vote fall where it may. if trump walks in there with 200 delegates short, how do you then convince all of his supporters in those delegates that support him to give up that opportunity to get the nomination? 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[ laughter ] whoa. joining us now, president and ceo of politico, jim vandehei and editor of the weekly standard, bill kristol. what were you saying about the mini bar? i missed the tweet. is it empty? it s a joke about having to hit the mini bar. just remember, joe and me car, it s always darkest before it turns pitch black. wasn t that a favorite that was chairman mao. we know bill kristol is in a happy mood when he starts quoting chairman mao. i did see you start the tweet about what i this i is the only viable option for conservatives who want to stop trump and that is if you re going to do it, it looks like trump is on his way to the nomination, despite willie showed me very funny headlines here. these are early editions, i think, but still a mixed night for trump. no, it wasn t. trump express hits a road bump in ohio. no, not really. wishful thinking. so are conservatives looking at the possibility of running a conservative independent campaign? is the that the way to stop trump? those headlines probably seemed plausible at 8:00 last night. if missouri had gone a different way it could have been a different outcome but trump has been a good candidate and lucky in winning key states by a small margin and now he looks to be strong. we ll see what happens in arizona and so forth. some conservatives are looking at an independent republican candidate. you could put someone on someone could get on the ballot pretty easily. so what s the way forward there electorally? is that just to stop donald trump from being the next president or could a conservative/independent win? have you looked at the math? i ve looked a little. it would be tough to win, but not impossible. the key numbers, the one you showed a little bit ago, how many republicans don t want to vote for donald trump in the general election. it s 30%. some independents don t want to vote for either trump or clinton. think of it this way, hillary clinton has a 56% unfavorable rating in the latest washington post /abc poll with the public as a whole and donald trump 67%. they re the two most unpopular general election nominees ever so if there s ever a chance for an independent to have a shot to get above jond anderson s 8% or ross perot s 18%, this might be the year. jim vandehei, those are the most remarkable numbers and i saw people putting them out there last night. the favorabilities of hillary clinton and donald trump are both terrible. and people think both are dishonest. in their own party. kind of cancel each other out. but we were arguing about this in the green room. it s very unlikely conservatives will get enough money and support to run an independent candidate. you ll see so much rationalization where people make the deal with the devil and go with donald trump because they ll be afraid of electing hillary clinton because if you re a ben sasse or mitt romney oar paul ryan the idea that you ll run as a third party conservative candidate to save the essence of conservatism, it just seems like a stretch. and you ve had a hard time to get republicans throw real coin into stopping trump. if you re kelly ayotte in new hampshire and you can talk about whoever is running for reelection, will you really cross your working class voters that went out to vote for trump? and who make the core of the party. but if you re kelly ayotte and support the republican nominee but you re happy to have ben sasse or mitt romney or paul ryan at the top of an independent ticket because that pulls out some republicans who won t vote for trump but who will vote for kelly ayotte or other republican senators and congressman. in 92 ross perot ran as an independent, killed us in the first bush white house but republicans did okay in the senate and house races. why any because perot voters went republican most of them down ballot. so you could make a down ballot case so if you re kelly ayotte, you would like to have a conservative and donald trump? otherwise people like me in new hampshire, if there are any, just stay home and don t vote for kelly ayotte. so you could make that case but i agree with jim, it will be a haul to get people to it s tough to persuade people i voted republican every presidential election in my adult lifetime. it s tough to persuade someone not to go with the party nominee. doesn t your third party scenario make hillary clinton president for the next four, maybe eight years? i think donald trump winning the republican nomination makes hillary clinton president for the next four years, probably. i would say there s some chance that that third party person could take off if trump blows up that. s the strongest argument against someone doing it. that will be used against any republican senator or governor or prominent person who tries to so the question is can donald trump make the turn? can me go to bris kristol s office and say let s make peace. bill just spit out his coffee. as the prospective nominee, i ll make the big concession. he s called mcconnell, he s called ryan, does he have it in him? i don t think so. the thinthat scares conservatives the most is he knew two weeks ago he could start to pretend to be presidential and have gotten the people in the establishment that are waivering and yet he can t help thinlhimself. he sends out the tweets, he blesses his campaign manager who has the tendency to act like a thug. he can t help himself. where bill has a point and this is an interesting moment in history, he s not a conservative. i think that is what so do you end up having a fight about what is conservatism and do you have to fight for the conservatism that bill spent his entire life fighting for? 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[ cheers and applause ] that is a clean sweep for hillary clinton. we ll have complete coverage of that coming up. we have breaking news to report. we have an update on president obama s supreme court pick. in just a moment he ll be making an announcement this morning as to who he has chosen. he says he deliberated extremely carefully on this choice. that s a big story following on msnbc. so now a recap of last night. hillary clinton made it a clean sweep. she won by double digit margins in florida, north carolina and ohio and notched razor-thin victories in mo missouri and illinois. for much of the evening those races were too close to call but nbc news has declared kwlclinto the apparent winner of each. in missouri she edged out senator sanders by less than 2,000 votes. she picks up 363 delegates, sanders adds 282. clinton is two-thirds of the way to the total needed to clinch the nomination. for the republicans, donald trump took four out of five states last night. nbc has him as the projected winner in florida think about that. jeb bush, marco rubio, no more in the race. unbelievable. it s incredible. you talk about all politics being local. it s not. illinois, north carolina, all trump. the apparent winner in missouri as well. governor john kasich won ohio with an 11 point victory over trump taking 47% vote of the vote. trump added 149 delegates bringing him to 656. trump has now more than halfway to the delegates he needs for the nomination with 581 to go. with us this hour, former mccain senior campaign political analyst steve schmidt. in washington, political reporter for the washington post and nbc political analyst robert costa. steve, a lot to go over last night and let s go over with what mika started with. donald trump goes in the state of florida where jeb bush was the prohibitive favorite. marco rubio was a favorite after jeb got out of the race despite $15 million to $20 million against anymore that state alone. the big story is donald trump continues to pile up commanding wins in states across the country. across every region of the country. we re now at a moment in this race where what matters is not winning the state but the accumulation of delegates to get to that magic number of 1237. so as we look at this race this morning with the proportional rules of delegates allocation, it s not in the bag for donald trump to be able to reach that 1237 mark. it may be that the republican party is on a trajectory headed into a contested convention. so you still think even after trump s big night last night this is not the bag for him? it s not in the bag necessarily to win on the first ballot. the democrats have won overwhelmingly, they have won the most votes, the most states, won across the country. he ll have to get somewhere from 57% to 59% of the remaining delegates depending on where you think he is this morning. let s go back to this. ted cruz, you said ted cruz overperfo overperforming. well, ted cruz has emerged now in the republican party as the alternative to donald trump by delegates but ted cruz isn t winning. and so you look at a state like missouri, we are getting very late in the process for a candidate like ted cruz to not be able to win at least one state on a night as big as last night. so he is underperforming. he s underperforming in north carolina, he s underperforming with evangelical voters. his growth curve was so fast up to the right that he could have been in first place until he most knockouts in politics and debates happen on the counterpunch. very, very rarely do you see someone go all out in an assault and offensively knock someone out. that s what happened. and so marco rubio in that moment when he was growing where he was moving, where he was on track, he was gutted. you go back to that new hampshire debate. that new hampshire debate pulled marco rubio from a trajectory where he could have won the state to, at worst, this is a strong second place to a fifth-place finish that ended his campaign. he slowly bled out over the days between new hampshire and last night but he never recovered. that was the decisive moment in the campaign for rubio. and i think on top of that he compounded that error by then getting in the mud with trump. trying to outtrump trump with the comedic reaction and slamming trump here and there. it took him off of his message and took him out of the space steve was talking about where he was in a commanding position. he had the issues, he had the narrative, he had the story. it was a good package. he got the punch from christie and instead of recovering from that he went further by sliding into the dark with trump. think about the degree to which donald trump has reshaped this race, this party in american politics. a year ago if we were sitting here we would have said the stars of the republican party, the hopefuls to be the nominee, marco rubio, jeb bush, chris christie, scott walker you can throw in there. none of them are left standing. they were the future of the party. jeb bush was the guy who was going to come back and perhaps save the party as the former governor of florida. he d win florida. none of those people are here this morning. none of them. it s because of donald trump. they had their weakness as candidates but donald trump changed the race. sam stein, you go back to the beginning of last year. the three republicans that remain in this race had 8% combined in their real clear politics average. nobody saw any of this coming. and just to piggyback on what willie said, it s hard to overstate how petrified democrats once were of marco rubio. in their estimation, he was the most formidable candidate to face in the general election. he had all the assets you could see in a modern republican party, the youthful appeal, the great biography, obviously hispanic voters could flock to his candidacy, he had doubled in immigration reform, all the things that you would say that ice a candidate we don t want to fear. that s how democrats felt. then it fizzled away and a lot of it had to do with how people are inflating his skills as a politician. there s questions about whether he put in the grunt work in the campaign. the debate didn t help him. and now, you know, people i talked to people last night, they re wondering why they re anxious at all. it s a remarkable turn of fate for the guy everyone feared. guys, put up that last chart for a second. just very interesting. so you look at non-cuban hispanics, donald trump s close to rubio there. but that s not the story. i can t believe how poorly ted cruz does among hispanics. i mean, donald trump more than doubled ted cruz among hispanics, non-cuban hispanics. crazy. so, bob costa, what happens next with the republican party? what happens with this stop trump movement. is there a party? i guess that s the question. is there a republican party at the all of this? talking to my sources last night you get a sents that not only was the big story trump s victory across the country but the way trump talked about trying to unify the party and he mentioned his call with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, he said he s trying to build relationship within the party. so there s chatter about having a third party bid to have a conservative run and there s talk of having a never-trump moment at the convention. at the same time, trump with these scenes coming out of chicago and the unrest that surrounded his campaign, he talked about trying to move toward the center, at least with his temperament and his relationships. and, willie vandehei said this, we are going to see over the next four weeks if trump keeps winning a remarkable degree of rationalization by political insiders trying to figure out how to make peace with donald trump and we ll see if donald trump tries to figure out how to make peace with those republican political insiders. and the question remains is he able to do that? i d be interested given the way the candidates have said they feel about donald trump, given the disgust they ve expressed about him, will some of these guys accept the vice presidential nomination? would marco rubio step on to a stage with donald trump? would ted cruz step on to a stage? i guess you don t pass that up if it comes but, boy well, steve schmidt and i are smirking. the answer is yes for marco rubio. i think the answer is yes for most people because, again, we have seen it time and time again, the ability for people who have been in power for 30 or 40 years or connected to power to rationalize about how to make peace with the new guy or the new woman. we ve all seen in the washington. it s a pretty remarkable thing. disgusting for most people outside of washington but remarkable at least to observe. i don t think there s any doubt the answer to that question is yes. [ laughter ] i mean, 100%. that s why you were smirking. look, for sure there will be some washington republicans who say never. but the reality is is that donald trump is expanding the base of the republican party and it s important to understand this. for the last years, every single demographic group in this country that s been growing, the democratic party is gaining market share. and every single demographic group in this country that is shrinking, the republican party is gaining market share. fundamental marketing problem. so the fact that donald trump is the first candidate in a long time to come along with a credible claim to say i am making the pie bigger, i m bigging people in. and you look at the voter turnout and excitement on the republican side versus the democratic side, that would give me as a democrat some pause if i was looking at this race right now. the notion that hillary clinton wipes the floor with donald trump i think is completely wrong. you don t buy that? he is a dangerous asymmetrical candidate. you still believe that? when you look at these candidate in this race, what state does ted cruz win that john mccain and mitt romney lost? we ve said it from the very beginning, ted cruz is under water. but i can look at donald trump and say he could put michigan there play, ohio, pennsylvania. he could put new york in play. there are a number of states across the industrial midwest that have been so deeply affected by trade. you look at donald trump last night talking about corporate inversions. you hear him talk about trade, you hear his opening comments from maro lago last night. this is how the deck is so dramatically shuffled. donald trump you have somebody more hostile to unfettered free trade than hillary clinton. so working class voters, a lot of union voters that are suspicious of free trade deals could you know, they ll have a choice between a person like hillary clinton who s much closer to wall street than donald trump. same thing with foreign policy where you have donald trump who maybe you call him a neo-isolationist, i m not sure what you call him, but hillary clinton. much more assertive and much closer to the neo-con brand than donald trump ever was. it does reshuffle the deck out there, doesn t it? especially among populist working class republicans, independents, and democrats. in my conversations in reporting on trump, there are two elections that seem to always come up, 1968, law and order, the richard nixon campaign amid all the tumult in vietnam and then 1980, reagan reaching out to reagan democrats in the rust belt and making the case that steve schmidt was talking about. i think if you look at a combination of the nixon argument in 68 without, of course, a war happen iing, a mar war tearing apart the country, and what reagan did in 80, that s the best case for trump. but he still has this conservative ideological side in the party that s suspicion and was more trust of reagan and nixon because the time they spent in the trenches with the party. he has a lot to do to shore up that support. let s turn to the breaking news mika mentioned. the white house has announced at 11:00 this morning president obama will announce his next nominee for the supreme court. in an e-mailed statement, the president said he devoted a considerable amount of time and deliberation to this decision and held each candidate to what he called three principles that reflect the role the supreme court plays in our democracy. it s been widely speculated the president will choose between sri sreenivasan, currently a judge on the united states court of appeals for the d.c. circuit and merrick garland, chief judge of the united states court of appeal there is on the d.c. circuit. there are other names in the hat but people have zeroed in on that. sreenivasan worked in the bush administration. rubio, cruz, bernie sanders voted for him. it might be tougher to vote against him. he could be the favorite. all right. michael steele, what should the republicans do? they should welcome the president s nominee to capitol hill, have him visit with everybody and sit down and get to know him and they should cast a vote and vote him down if that s their choice. but the fact that you re not going to put somebody up that republicans have supported in the past, 97-0 in their vote, it will be a hard sell to the american people if they see this nominee who now they can attach a face to, not just a name. they can read the bio, learn about this person. how do you stand in the face of that? the senate is in play not because of donald trump, folks, it s in play because of how we re approaching the scotus nomination. there s four ways to disqualify a supreme court nominee. from a qualifications perspective, that they re not up to the job. from an ethical perspective, that they ve conducted themselves in some type of way that would not fit them for a lifetime appointment. you can disqualify a nominee ideologically as that they re so far out of the mainstream, not appropriate. and the last way is to process vows. so i had the experience of leading the roberts and the alito confirmations in the bush white house. in the bush white house the standard that the democrats drew, advise and consent meant senior members of the white house staff, the chief of staff, the vice president called every member of the united states senate in the democratic party asking what they thought from an advise perspective, the qualities of a supreme court nominee were. if the democrats did not do this out of the white house, republicans have justification to slow roll the process. the nominee should be greeted courteously in every republican office. he should be asked many questions. he should be asked to come back with many more answers to those questions. so this is a process where the threa theater of it, republicans have to create a climate of fairness even if at the end of the day that make sure this nominee is ground down. robert costa, thank you so much. still ahead on morning joe, donald trump joins the conversation after winning four of five states in last night s primaries. plus, mark leibovich joked with marco rubio not long ago about a harrowing experience while flying through some turbulence. but now his campaign charters have been grounded. we will talk about the conclusion of marcomentum. and chuck todd and hallie jackson joins us. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. this mom didn t have time to worry about a cracked windshield. so she scheduled at safelite.com and with safelite s exclusive on my way text she knew exactly when i d be there. so she didn t miss a single shot. 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[ applause ] it just . what s wrong? he seems like did you not feel the love? he seems like a cartoon character. did you not feel the love there? that s probably not very nice to say but it s probably obvious to everyone. it s so exaggerated and fake. what are you talking about? his delivery. is it okay to say. steve schmidt, is it okay to say? you didn t think that was from the heart? no. really? he s both the most articulate candidate in the race at some level and the most comical. but the one who most oozes insincerity. it is. you think so? maybe it s not polite to say so, but i think it is. willie, you don t think that, do you? oozes insincerity. sometimes it looks rehearsed. if i said to you willie geist, we welcome you to our party. yes. i don t know who you guys are looking like. sometimes like a shakespearean actor delivering a line. but smart guy, he ll be in the race for a long time. i m just saying we talk about hillary clinton s voice and sternness, let s look at the guys, too. he seems really insincere, in fact, oozes with it. that s all. i think it might come from right here, mika. let s bring in hallie jackson. i think it might come from right here. straight from the heart. as bryan adams said straight from the heart. he s like let me get into character. i m ready to speak. hallie, you spoke with ted cruz, did he talk like that when you talked with him? stop it? ted cruz is a guy used to being on stage. he s used to talking to people and delivering lines, not just on stage but also in the senate. i met him in real life, he talks like a person. so we had a chance to talk in person by the way after the results came in last night and we caught up about his path forward. he wants this to be a two-man race. it is not. he s going to frame ate two-man race, he s going to say john kasich hasn t beaten donald trump the way he has but there are three candidates in this race right now so we talked about what would happen if there was a contested convention. would ted cruz consider teaming up with john kasich? here s his response? there would absolutely be a place for john kasich, absolutely a place for marco rubio, for many people in the republican field in a future administration. as a running mate? i think they are talented leaders. i think they have run impressive campaigns and we are working to bring together a broad coalition to win and i am encouraged everyday. we are seeing millions of people who had been supporting other candidates joining us. whether they were rubio supporters or kasich supporters who are glad he won his home state but recognize he has no path to winning the nomination and if you want to beat donald trump you have to be with a candidate who has beaten donald trump over and over and over again and for whom there is a clear and direct path to 1237 delegates. so what is that path? you can boil it down to say it s about the three cs. looking at closed primaries. the cruz campaign believes they are stronger in those than donald trump and they re pointing to the track record, essentially saying look at the scoreboard, this is where we succeed. second cruz head to heads. they will point to polls showing they beat donald trump if it a two-man race. third, they re talking about the calendar. watch for them to play hard in utah and wisconsin over the next couple of weeks they want to point to places they have a good ground game, caucus states, etc. then june 7, california has a primary. it may sound surprising but the cruz campaign feels they will outperform donald trump in california and in new jersey, states where you wouldn t typically see ted cruz perhaps a candidate like ted cruz succeeds. they re talking about picking off new york congressional district districts. let s bring in chuck todd. don t listen to her. so the strategy is we can win if your people vote, we can win if there are more contest which is don t exist yet anymore. okay. i mean so under those circumstances wait, wait. in washington, too, we have chief national correspondent oh, mark leibovich who did not go to the new york times where s the shirt? bureau. and he s not wearing the shirt, either. the person who does the tv setup thing, they weren t there yet so i had to come in here. but we asked you to wear the same shirt. i don t get. it you want me to go change? i can come back. we ll go to chuck todd and come back to you. chuck, so much to talk about. really quickly, ted cruz underperformed last night. a bad night for him. very bad night. whether he wants to blame john kasich for splitting congressional districts in illinois that handed things to trump but you look back, he was campaigning in florida and ohio when he was vshould have been i missouri and illinois more. he should have gone for his states. kasich campaigned in his state. he should have taken mo and north carolina and spent everything trying to win those two states. file this one under the nobody knows nothing category. jeb bush and marco rubio out of the race the night of the florida primary. nobody would have believed that a year ago. their home state. the key is to be a part-time resident of florida. hey, snow birds love it. how stunning is that? can i tell you, the underappreciated aspect of what happened in florida is rick scott conditioned that electorate to the outsider. remember, the republican establishment in 2010 all got behind hey, becareful of rick scott. it will be a disaster. he s a two-term governor, the state has not fallen into the ocean, by the way. . and when he took over, what was unemployment? well, that s right, and, by the way, the unemployment rate is at 5%. i remember being in tallahasse and the unemployment 1w0uz% when he was there. so florida republicans were told for eight years that the establishment, oh, my god, be careful of this guy. so trump is a bigger version of rick scott. so show this. again, a massive state, florida. do the county map. it s unreal. the county map is the one that s if you have the county map as well instead of just a beautiful waving flag. you know what it looks like, right? have you seen it? just the tip. complete domination. [ laughter ] just miami-dade. that was something. that was something. 66 out of 67 counties. how do you explain that? i really have no explanation, actually. but there s a nice flag we showed you. mark leibovich, let s talk about what happened with marco rubio. please tell us about what happened to that campaign because everybody had so much i guess they believed he was the one. i think the one, in quotes. and time magazine had his as the cover as the savior. what happened? in 2013. marco rubio was anointed maybe like four or five different times over the last few years including the last few months. he just never like ted cruz, he was talking for many, many weeks about oh, now it s two-man race. there will be people into may, i don t know who they are, talking about being a n a two-man race with donald trump when, in fact, it never existed. marco rubio just never took off. i think he was a really ultimately i think he was a bad fit with today s republican party in this primary electorate and like everyone else, he got trumped. they had a supreme degree of confidence, didn t they? even when you were there. they were sure they were on a mission and they really did believe they had the guy that was going to win it all, right? well, yeah. i don t know what they really thought. i mean, they had a supreme degree of confidence in the same way that ted cruz last night had ha supreme degree of confidence after losing everywhere and saying, okay, now it s a two-man race. i mean, look, it did, if you listen to the quote/unquote conventional wisdom, which has been wrong every single time in this race, they did think that, okay, the establishment is coalescing around us and look we have all these big fancy establishment endorsements that are coming in by the hour which, you know, as we ve learned so many times mean absolutely nothing. has he underperformed? yeah, in that the rest of the party has underperformed next to donald trump in this election. chuck todd, what s next? i think they have to if they are serious about being anti-trump then they have to unite. but are they serious? well, i think they re a bunch of political strategists that are serious but the electeds aren t because they need to figure out how to talk to trump s voters. the thing that struck me the most is that marco rubio in his concession speech for the first time started talking to trump s voters. when it was over. and you re like, dude, what happened? such a great point. and too many strategists for the other campaigns didn t believe those voters would show up. because what trump has done at a minimum, we don t know if it s new people, but he s moved general election voters to the primary and said get active in the primary. but the point is these voters hadn t been in a primary before and all of the overly consulted campaigns and overly consulted candidates were told don t believe these people will actually show up, don t worry about trump. despite the fact they were lining up all day. i said it when they were in pensacola they showed up at 7:00 in the morning just to go to his rallies. but they weren t going to vote? they won t stand in line for five minutes to vote? most of the people talking about the top trump movement out of washington, d.c. and the consulting class, most of them couldn t organize a three-car motorcade so hi doesn t have a lot to worry about there. i think the one big thing donald trump has to worry about is this. do they understand that the two parties in america are the way that we advance democracy? but the parties themselves and this process are not, in fact, democratic institutions. so if you go into the convention with less than 1237 votes, is the outsider insurgent candidate and campaign able to navigate in play the dirtiest inside game with these delegates that s possible to imagine? you re assuming they get it. i don t assume that. i m saying it s possible that he doesn t and, you know, it s still a lift for him to get there. he s not in the position that romney was in and not in the position hillary clinton was in on her side. he can t afford to be short. i ll tell you that. mark liebovitz, that s what the establishment class is talking about. we ll get him in cleveland. we may not get him on the first ballot or the second ballot but when the third ballot comes around we ll get the delegates together and defeat him. how do you take away from the man who s won the most states, delegates, votes, how do you pull the nomination away from that guy and what do you say to the voters who voted for him? i don t think that s an argument anyone wants to make. but before it gets to that point, the kasich people and the cruz people do have to talk to each other if they want because it will take some kind of communication and some kind of orchestrated effort to figure out which of those alternatives will play in the remaining states. if you have both of them throwing tremendous resources into individual states like, say, california or new jersey or whatever, you know, it will probably undermine them and trump will come out in a very good position as he has to this point. so i mean i think the two car motorcade the three-car motorcade could, in fact, be a two-car motorcade with these two campaigns at this point. mark leibovich, thank you so much. chuck todd, thank you as well. donald trump joins us in just a moment. we ask him about the exit polls that suggest republicans would defect if he wins the nomination. we ll be right back. you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should ve done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? 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hello, willie. we ve been hearing for the last several days there were basically three people on the short list. two of them were federal appeals court judges here in washington, merrick garland and sri srinivasan and the other was a federal appeals court judge in california, paul watford. but in the last several hours we re told it s down between garelick and srinivasan. the president has made his decision, what don t know what it is yet. but hanging over this is that it will be a strange confirmation process if there is one at all because the republicans have insisted this decision should be made by the next president once the people speak at the polls, not by the current president who was elected the last time the people spoke at the polls. so the republicans say they won t have a confirmation hearing. many of the republicans, including several on the senate judiciary committee that would hold hearings have been telling us they won t meet with the nominee. this has been a bit of a a tradition where recent appointments where nominees try to meet individually with as many senators as possible before the floor vote but a lot of republicans are saying they won t even meet with the nominee so it appears quite likely there won t be any kind of confirmation hearings in the normal course of business and that the best chance for the white house would be if a democrat is elected in november and then there could be a confirmation in the period between then and the swearing in of the new president. and the irony of that is many senators saying they won t meet with the nominee may have voted for him to the court of appeals. well, that s right, srinivasan was confirmed unanimously. pete, thanks, we ll stay on top of this. stay with msnbc for the president s announcement at 11:00 this morning. i ll tell you what i would do if i were selected by the president and they wouldn t meet with me, i would literately take cameras around, knock on every door and say could i meet with senator smith? i d just like to talk to him. and if i got a no, i d go to the next one. they have got to meet with him. i don t know that he s going to nominate srinivasan but i thought he would and i think republicans are badly underestimating how attractive he would be to the american people and how outrageous it will seem he ll be denied even meetings. you have to meet with the guy. coming up next, republican front-runner donald trump joins us. we re back in a moment. jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive wiback like it could used to? neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena only those who dare. drive the world forward. introducing the first-ever cadillac ct6. if you misplace your you can use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it, you can switch it right on again. you re back! freeze it from discover. get it at discover.com. 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(vo) don t be a settler, get a $100 reward card when you switch to directv. welcome back to morning joe. we have donald trump on the phone. we asked every other candidate you want to call in, you want to come on this show, you can do it they haven t, donald trump has. republican presidential candidate donald trump joins us now. donald, congratulations. thank you. congratulations, donald. thank you very much. a big, big night for you last night, you outperformed what most people thought you were going to do and so the question we ve had for the past hour and a half is are you at a stage in your campaign where you are ready to move and start making peace with the republican party, start making peace with megyn kelly, start making peace with people that you ve been embattled with in. not megyn kelly, i m not interested in that. but with the party, yes. i ve been called by many, many people on the air with you saying, you know, donald trump we have to get somebody else and yet they re calling me at the top level. i don t know what establish. means. i guess i was a member of the establishment nine months ago, joe, eight months ago. whatever the establishment is, who can define establishment? i don t think there is such a thing. but you need to understand you need to make the turn, though? i m fine with the turn. at the same time we don t want to lose the edge because we still have two more people left and we had a big evening yesterday, including the islands. we picked up nine with the islands. we had i guess we re five so that turned out to be great. donald, it s willie, congratulations on last night. i was struck watching you come on stage at mar-a-lago and the first thing you started talking about was that you were slighted by a pundit on i don t know what network you were talking about, talking about the poll numbers and they misstated how well you were doing. why do you get caught up in that? why are you worried about what we say? that wasn t said in anger. that was a mathematics lesson. i understand, but you should be basking in your victory and you re worried about the minutiae of cable punditry, why do you care? you re the only ones bringing it up. it was not done out of anger but it was talking about mathematics. i was always very good at mathematics. when they say he has not hit 50. well, i have. but i haven t when you have four people and six people in a race it s almost impossible to hit 50%. it s very hard to hit 50% and i want to say that. the numbers are amazing when i m at 45% and i have four people in a race, that s a lot. that s amazing and you have some of those people at 10 and 15 and when they leave i ll get it that s the other thing, they ll say i m at 45% and the rest are at 55%. if the other people leave they would get 55%. well, no, because when the other people leave i ll get their votes. people never say that. so it wasn t done in anger, just as education. i get the matt and you re right act the math, i just wonder why you take that precious time to pick out a pundit on a network. when you ve had a big night. i don t call it precious time. you have to say something. what else? i ll talk about the weather? no, talk about your big victory. it was a good victory. we had a wonderful night. a tremendous success. the florida numbers were far greater than anybody thought possible. i believe credible. you were against a very popular person in florida and to have a victory where you win by 20 points is amazing. what do you have to say about marco rubio? he s left the race. would you consider him a vice president. now can you answer that? i m a closer. i like closing deals first. but i liked him until about three weeks ago when he started getting nasty. wow, he got nasty and the problem is i get nastier than him and then i win and then my numbers get hurt a little bit because you re so you re so tough that people don t necessarily like it but you do what you have to do and we have to win. i was very surprised when he started doing his don rickles routine on me and it didn t work. mr. trump, congratulations on your victories last night. and thank you for your nice words yesterday, that was very nice. it s been reported you talked to senator mcconnell, is it true you ve talked to other senators and senate candidates? who did you talk to? i can t tell you but i talked to people you have on your show all the time talking about donald trump we have to stop him and i don t mean i call them, they called me. why can t you tell us who it is? you have people on the show all the time talking about stopping donald trump who are calling me to work out a deal where they want to become involved because they see things here and they say this. they see things here they ve never, ever seen in the republican party. the big story is the number of people voting in the primaries. we re up 72% or something. the numbers in florida were through the roof. a woman who worked in one of the polling booths said i ve done this for 20 years, i ve never seen more than five people in a room and they had lines going four or five blocks long so it s been an amazing thing. do you think you can bring those people together? i think so. i watched your show and other shows and i read a loath and i see people making statements and i have them on the phone calling me wanting to get together and we have very good conversations and then i ll see them continuing but they want to come together. we had dire foreign policy around the world right now. who are you consulting with consistently so that you re ready on day one? i m speaking with myself, number one, because i have a very good brain and i said a lot of things. in fact, in my book in 2000 i talked about osama bin laden and i do remember somebody putting the book in front of joe and josing no way he talked about it, no way he wrote about osama bin laden before the world trade center came down. and i remember joe looking at it saying i don t believe it, that s amazing. so i know what i m doing and i listen to a lot of people. but my primary consultant is myself and i have a good instinct. how would you describe trump s foreign policy? earlier in the show someone said neo-isolationist. how would you describe it? i wouldn t say that at all. in 1350ek being with alec stern i should have said, well, maybe. that was the first time i was asking about going into iraq. the fact is i was asked about going into iraq. it was a horrible mistake. at the same time now that you have isis, we have to take isis out. they re cutting heads. they re drowning people in cages and they re looking to do serious damage. i mean, if they ever had you know, the problem you have today is weaponry. if we had you know, if this was 50 years ago or 100 years ago when you fought by gun and by sword, i would have never i would have been out of there so fast, but the problem is you can t allow somebody to get the big weaponry. so does that mean a ground does that mean a ground war, ground troops? i ll tell you what it means. it means we have to take isis out. i would consult with the best people. you ll let us know who at some point? we may need that. i would prefer getting some of it. it s a very expensive process. i can just imagine putin with oil prices low and every time he drops a bomb it costs a million dollars or something and he s saying, wow, because, you know, that happened to them once before in afghanistan. afghanistan is the thing that broke up the soviet union. the cost of afghanistan was enormous. i can see putin saying this is more expensive than i thought and he gets out. at some point we have to get back to rebuilding our country. not rebuilding, to start to rebuild it. donald trump, we re being told, donald, that you have another hit. we will let you go. thank you so much for being with us. congratulations. congratulations on a big night last night. thank you very much. steve schmidt, two things to take from there. first of all, when he says he consults with himself, donald trump has been his own person in his own orbit for 30, 40 years now so that obviously is who he is, it s who he has been. it is at the same time remarkable that he s basically engineered all of this himself but also frightening because you need other people helping you. mark halpern, he s reaching out to other republicans and he is doing the very thing i said he needed to do, talking to people who are attacking him on television at the same time. look, he s going to have to bring the party together. he s going to have to make an argument. he s going to have to communicate to the party that it s an unacceptable proposition should it move into a contested election, the one who wins the most amount of states is somehow denied the nomination. so he needs to convince republicans in the senate and the house in washington that he is somebody who can expand the party and, in fact, increases the chances of doing well in november and not the opposite. then on the national security issues, there is no question and mika frequently asks these questions of donald trump when he appears on the show, he doesn t have to do it tomorrow but sometime soon he will need to lay out the architecture of who are the people around him. she s asking for she s asked him four times now. advised him on these issues, nuclear sabre rattling, we have a profoundly turbulent world. the quote of that interview that you know is going to get headlines when mika asked who are you talking to, i m speaking to myself. i m my own best advisor. trump wants to clear the field. he wants to keep beating them. he wants to get the establishment to say to those two guys and the donors, you guys need to get out. he is trying to build bridges to reassure republicans. you get reporting that he is not only calling senators, he s calling senate candidates? like he s getting i m not sure if it s candidates or incumbent senators. he s trying to make the case that i can beat hillary clinton and i can beat the senate majority. if he can convince them that he is the best candidate, he will get a lot of pressure on cruz and kasich, to get out, consolidate and focus on hillary clinton. up next, a clean sweep for hillary clinton. try it again. that s the fourth time. you tried. keep trying. keep trying. i m like a broken record. okay. some say bernie sanders is all but finished. we ll talk to former obama campaign manager david plouffe ahead on morning joe. hi i m kristie and i m jess and we are the bug chicks. we are a nano-business. windows 10 really helps us get the word out about how awesome bugs are. kids learn to be brave and curious and all kids speak the language of bug. hey cortana, find my katydid video . oh! this is so good. 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ohio. i love you. we are going to go all the way to cleveland and secure the republican nomination. every republican has a clear choice. only two campaigns have a plausible pathway. well, this may not have been the year for a hopeful and optimistic one. then there were three. marco rubio suspending his campaign last night after losing his home state of florida. donald trump took four out of five states last night. nbc has him the projected winner in florida, illinois, and north carolina, an apparent winner in missouri and. governor john kasich easily won ohio with an 11 point win over donald trump taking 77% of the vote. trump added more delegates bringing him to 656. ted cruz only brought home 32 delegates to finish the night at 408 and kasich added 75. trump is more than halfway to the delegates he needs for the nomination on the first ballot at the convention with 581 to go on the democratic side. what a big night for hillary clinton. clean sweep. it was a clean sweep. you can t overstate how big this was for the clinton campaign. second clinton won by double digits in florida, north carolina, and ohio. and notched razor thin victories in missouri and illinois. for much of the evening those two races were too close to call but nbc news has now declared clinton the apparent winner of each. missouri she edged out senator sanders by less than 2,000 votes but she picks up 363 delegates. bernie adds 282 and now clinton is 2/3 of the way to the total she needs to clinch that nomination. all right. so with us on set this morning, the managing editors of bloomberg politics and hosts of with all due respect mark halpern and john heilman. white house correspondent for the huffington post , sam stein. in cleveland, ohio, chris jansing who literally works around the clock. she works around the clock. she s everywhere. mika, last night there are so many headlines you can go with. you can go with marco rubio, you can go with donald trump, can you go with hillary clinton. having massive nights, the front-runners, but this was what a significant night it was, john heilman. what s your big take away from last night. hillary clinton is going to be the democratic nominee and donald trump is not quite as certain to be the republican nominee but pretty likely. a massive night. mark halpern, obviously marco rubio out of the race but also something we re not used to saying. a very bad night for ted cruz. we ve always talked about ted cruz overperforming. last night, wow, a bad night from beginning to end. they wanted to come away with some victories and a lot more delegates by targeting congressional districts. he does not have the clean one on one fight that he wanted and he doesn t have much of an argument now to say here s a clean path. this campaign put out a memo saying here s our path to the nomination. we re the ones going to beat donald trump but it is a tough road for him and for john kasich not to just make the argument that they can beat donald trump but to find the number of delegates to stop donald trump from getting the majority before cleveland. possible but hard. willie, last night the rich got richer, the poor got poorer. trump and clinton had massive nights. both showing strength in different states. we thought there were a couple states that bernie sanders might be able to pick off. he didn t get any of them. we thought maybe ted cruz would win missouri. looks like he didn t win that either. it s an amazing place we re in right now where ted cruz has become the establishment candidate. the guy who s loathed in washington got out outsidered by donald trump. john kasich had a very big night. i guess there s a math for him path for him and alluded to it. there s a path for him. he happens to stop trump from getting 1237 delegates. there s no math but a possible path out of the ordinary. out of the ordinary, no doubt, but that depends on an open convention. right. we don t know what the likelihood of that is, but if you look at what happened with john kasich last night, mika, a lot of democratic crossovers. that was the ultimate. i think he s the ultimate crossover that could fit into the mainstream of thinking. that could be a fascinating, fascinating and possibly really constructive for our country race, chris jansing. well, it s so fascinating what i saw last night. i was in suburban cleveland and the number of crossover votes at this set of four districts, four precincts. usually they would have two to one in favor of republican voters. it was three to one. most of them crossover voters, democrats crossing over to republicans and these are lifelong democrats. one woman told me her entire family had a meeting and made a decision, a gutt wrenching decision to register as republicans and vote for john kasich. another person told me he and his wife said that they made that decision even though they really don t like john kasich as governor but they felt very strongly that donald trump was dangerous. you know the dynamic here in cleveland and the cleveland area. these are folks who often come from families that are very ethnic and bound to the democratic party, union families bound to the democratic party. the idea that their name is going to be associated with the republican party for four years is painful for them and yet they did it. and so we saw how much that made a difference last night. across the state i think the crossover was 8%. wow. before we get to hearing from the front-runners, you and mark alone, really alone, predicted rubio wouldn t make it, and last night he called it quits. what was it about the campaign that you saw so early on? well, you know what i saw early on was the fact that he just wasn t ready. he wasn t he wasn t at the level yet. he was being called the republican savior by time magazine right after he got there and then i think what as far as just the blocking and tackling goes, there are a lot of people making a lot of different excuses this morning. at the end of the day donald trump is an exception. he s a one off. he s been a celebrity for 40 years. my brother started following donald trump in like 1989, okay? you re not going to run into this many candidates. just put donald trump over here. well, at the top. at the end of the day i m just saying as far as why is trump winning. right. at the end of the day politics still comes down to blocking and tackling. mark, i know what you and i have been talking about now for at least six to nine months is the fact that they didn t have any early state that they said they could win. they didn t have any political base. they said these are our people that we re going to target. there wasn t a ground game. politico has a story this morning about the fact that activists couldn t even find their field offices in iowa or new hampshire. at the end of the day blocking and tackling still matters unless you ve been a celebrity for 40 years. those basics matter a lot. i ve had two things. one is there were no signature issues. sitting around here today, what was he running on? what were the policies that were important that really broke through. the other thing, there was a canary in the coal mine. he did not raise money the way bernie sanders does on the internet. a young guy who talked about the new economy with a brand that should have been good for the internet. he never caught on with that grassroots investment in the tens of millions of people around the country. you know what one of the great ironies, willie, is, he pointed this out last night. he talked about himself and the life that he led. yeah. living paycheck to paycheck, only repaying student loans late in life. for some reason donald trump, a manhattan billionaire, connected with the working class voters and the populists who one this party now, let s just let s just say run this party. i saw a stat yesterday that with working class voters he had 2% of working class voters. yes. 2%. he was the college educated candidate. he was did very well in wealthy suburbs. that s not the republican party of 2016 and that hasn t been the republican party for about 30 years now, but the guy that had the best story to telling did not connect on a gutt level with the people who now run this party. and he s told the story again last night. he came out and kind of made his stump speech again, a guy who maybe was talking about coming back in 2020. here s what i believe. here s my story once again as he leaves the stage. the question will be, can he recover from this? a lot of smart people you and i both know from the republican party, steve schmidt was on the air saying this guy has his future in front of him. he s 44 years old. he ll learn lessons and he ll come back stronger. i suspect we ve not seen the last of him. he ll come back. vice president. they ve both denied it. when republicans stare down the barrel of, you know, a decision where it s like is hillary clinton going to pick the supreme court justices for the next four to eight years or do we hope we can influence somebody to pick the supreme court justices for the next four to eight years, even if it s donald trump or ted cruz, we ll see what happens. and at that point you may have if people like haley barbour are going to marco rubio saying, you ve got to do it for the party, what s marco rubio going to do? i ll give you another problem with the rub bow candidacy was that his fundamental argument wasn t one on policies. it was a generational argument. i represent a new generation. your party isn t the democratic party. it s always been a tracted to the john kennedy figure, barack obama party. it s still not doing that. in rubio s case, he not only had that engrained problem with the party but he had the problem of he looked like the republican barack obama. in a party that spent eight years saying barack obama was not qualified, didn t have enough experience, didn t have a serious enough resume, marco rubio had the same qualifications and scant resume and say, we re going to embrace that lie. nobody in washington saw that. nobody in the media saw that. nobody that were even the donor class saw that. the republican voters saw that. yeah. they said, wait a second. we re not going to pick our own republican who reminds us of barack obama. because rubio checked off every single box you would want your dream candidate, your, quote, savior candidate to be. is it brett hume who said, you can make the dog food, you can market it but if the dog don t eat the dog food, tough luck. the rank and file republican voters that own this party now, working class, middle class republicans just i think you guys have tapped into how they feel which is ultimately where it goes. last night donald trump appeared before a select group of supporters and reporters and what was billed as a press conference though he took no questions. in the ballroom of his club in palm beach, florida, flanked by his family and small campaign staff his quote, unquote, squad. he began by talking about his poll numbers saying those who say he has a ceiling of support, they just simply don t get it. one of the commentators who i m not particularly fond of, but these are minor details, said, but donald trump doesn t get over 50%. and i have to explain to these people, they don t understand basic physics, basic mathematics, basic whatever you want to call it. when i don t get over 50, we have four people, right? we have four people. do you understand that? we will some day in the not too distant future, if i win, otherwise it s not going to happen, i have to be honest with you, but apple and all of these great companies will be making their product in the united states, not in china, vietnam, and all over. one of the broadcasters was saying, is there anger? i said to them, i m supposed to say, no, there s not. we love the way things are working. we love the deal you made with iran. it s wonderful. you give them $150 billion, we get nothing. we love all the trade deals. they re wonderful. you lose $500 billion a year with china. we lose $58 billion a year in terms of in terms of imbalance. it s a total imbalance. we don t make good deals anymore. we don t win anymore. as a country we don t win anymore. and they ask, is there anger from your people? i said, there is anger. they re not angry people but they want to see the country properly run. willie, a huge night for donald trump. we ve been laughing at candidates all year that have lost and talked like they won. last night donald trump who had a massive night talked like he lost, going after the press. will somebody tell the man, stop looking at the polls, he s winning at the polls. the polls don t matter. no sleight is too small. no sleight is too small. going after somebody he had just been watching on tv after he cleaned up last night. he s talking about an economist poll and he just had one of the biggest nights he s had all year. these are not small details. he had a massive night last night. he s complaining about what the press is saying. and he s pointing to a poll. if you win at the economist poll. declare yourself a winner. i ll tell you, it is interesting there are reports again this morning about the stop trump movement. there s going to be a meeting later this week and the hedge fund guys are getting together. seriously, what a joke. it s become a parody. you re not stopping trump. if you want to do stop trump, do something differently. go ahead and launch an independent conservative bid. still ahead on morning joe, marco rubio suspends his campaign, but where will his voters go. what the exit polling shows and why many republicans are looking for a third party candidate. plus, we re joined by former presidential can date carly fiorina on where last night s poor showing by ted cruz leaves him. the candidate she is now supporting. political analyst jeff greenfield and reverend al sharpton will be here as well. for your retirement, you want to celebrate the little things, because they re big to you. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren t just measured in dollars. td ameritrade®. joining us now msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steel. good to have you on board. the outcome is leaving a lot of republicans, michael, wondering where to turn, where they are turning. 51% of voters say they would definitely vote for trump if he was the nominee. 19% say they probably would, but nearly three in ten say they wouldn t. 61% of republicans who didn t vote for trump last night say if forced to choose between trump or clinton this fall, they would consider a third party candidate. also a majority of kasich voters say they wouldn t vote for trump if he were the nominee come november. 47% of rubio voters and 36% of cruz voters say they wouldn t vote for trump. what are we looking at? michael, donald trump a lot of people not voting. a lot of people not voting for donald trump. saying they re not. saying they re not. there you go. what does what does he do? what does the republican party do? what do conservatives do? i think on the front end of this, trump right now is in a position where he needs to begin to make the pivot. you ve begun to hear it towards bringing the party towards him because he knows this is out here. he knows how people are feeling. you ve got the establishment types who have the dump trump effort underway. they re having a meeting i think coming up this week to talk about how they re going to do that. but the reality of it is, he s not in the best position or only position to bring everybody in closer to them. work those cruz voters. certainly work the voters for the other candidates who have left the ranks. but the problem is, i mean, and we ve been saying for some time he s got to make the turn. last night right. after winning he s tweeting negative attacks against megyn kelly. i mean, the very much people that have been he needs to reach out to the republican establishment that s been kicking him. he needs to reach out to megyn kelly. he does both. instead of calling the media disgusting, like those tactics are not goings to get those 33% of republicans over to him. he s got to make the turn or he will get swamped in the fall. that is the key thing. he has to understand and the people around him have to make it very clear to him that at this stage he can t afford to have a third of his party stay out of the game. he has to figure out a way you can, you know, build the bridges to the establishment but you re going to have to turn the hearts and minds of the voters who say there s no way. i don t know if he has it in him or not, john heilman, but i will tell you after my first primary on a very small level, but it was an ugly primary. it was personal. they attacked me personally. i was one of these, i m going to stay above the fray and not attack back. that was the last time i did that. it was really ugly and nasty. the next morning i got on the phone and i said, i shouldn t have won this race to my opponent. i shouldn t have won this race, i can t win without you. tell me what i need to do. please help me. i was in a position of strength. i got on my knees and begged for help. that s not weakness. i begged for help. you know what, the next time a nasty article came out about me, you know, my opponent had nice words for me. because we made peace quickly. that s what you do to move on. calling the press disgusting, attacking megyn kelly. quoting, i swear, an economist poll when the guy has just run the boards on one of the most important nights of the year. right. as willie said, no sleight too small for him to ignore. if donald trump is the nominee, he s going to go in as an underdog. hillary clinton will be strong with barack obama s coalition. he s not going to be the favorite. he s going to have to be the underdog and he s going to have to win fighting an uphill battle. he s already alienated a bunch of hispanic voters. he s got real problems in a general election, so in order to win, if donald trump wants to win, the first thing he has to start to do is unify his own party. exactly. if a huge chunk of his party isn t with him and the democratic coalition isn t with him, he s done. first step, pull your party together because you re not going to win without your whole party behind zblu if you re the republican nominee and you re fighting the biggest star at fox news when you re on the verge of locking down the nomination, you ve got it backwards. coming up on morning joe, another blockbuster night for hillary clinton but some of the numbers are lopsided as she still struggles to win over younger voters from bernie sanders. we ll get reverend al sharpton s take ahead. plus, former presidential candidate, carly fiorina, will give us her take on donald trump s big night. ?!? fight it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine. .used to treat 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yesterday, he got that narrow win. if you look at the total vote, he got a very narrow win in missouri. this is true of illinois. if you win the state and you win the congressional districts, you are going to win a ton of delegates. it looks like that s what happened. we think when all is said and done donald trump is going to emerge from yesterday with about 690 delegates. ted cruz will be down at about 420. marco rubio sitting at 172. john kasich at 146. for trump that is more than we were expecting yesterday. and very quickly if you look ahead, you take that number, 690, and you look at the playing field going forward, we outlined this yesterday, this could be trump country in here. this could be a good trump state. there are a lot of potentially fertile trump territory on this map. if you make the same assumptions we made yesterday, conservative assumptions, he doesn t break 50% anywhere, cruz still picks up a scattering of states. same assumptions as yesterday with what happened last night. donald trump now finishes in our calculations with 1241. that is over the magic number. all right. wow. steve kornacki, thank you very much. what a remarkable night on so many levels when you really think about it. really is. donald trump. just florida. hillary clinton both. hillary clinton. let s bring in our political roundtable host of msnbc s politics nation, reverend al sharpton. author, columnist jeff greenfield. consultant and political writer, julianna glover. chief adviser and board member for uber. he s endorsed hillary clinton for president, david blouplouff. i hope we have 45 minutes for this. i m sure you do. joe, go. let s talk about hillary s numbers first. what a huge night for her. how far does that move her along to locking down the nomination? the delegate story is over. she ll have the pledged delegate lead. i think bernie sanders will stay in and i m sure he ll win some of the upcoming caucus states but the delegate story is over. you ve begun to see last night, she ll be respectful about that but she ll outline the message against donald trump. three to four weeks ago you were talking about how donald trump would make an interesting general election candidate because he shakes up the board. i believe that. a lot of other people believe that. have his words and actions over the past two or three weeks made you reconsider that? no. i think that s the question, joe. i think there s a lot of people out there, if they can get by the bluster and the bigotry, they might not be able to, but if they can, there are a lot of things that he says that are sort of against republican orthodoxy that he s getting criticized about that a lot of swing voters will be open to. he sucks all of the oxygen out of the room. he ll say anything about anyone any time. that s a tough thing to deal with as we ve seen. like you said, when you run campaigns, you like to know who your opponent is. you like to know what the map looks like. you like to know what the strategy looks like. you say trump just shakes up the board and makes it all very unpredictable. certainly day to day. you just don t know what you re dealing with. i think in places like northern virginia with college educated women, the suburbs of denver, i do think he ll under perform. i do think he s got the chance to over perform in the southern part of virginia, for instance, in some of the midwest states. again, his he says i m not going to throw out the iran deal on day one. he thinks the carried interest loophole ought to be closed. he says some things that if people can listen to him if they can get by the bluster and bigotry that he ll have a chance. trade, foreign policy, al, far different than what republicans have traditionally supported on trade and foreign policy. talk about that briefly and then also talk about hillary clinton and what a big night she had last night. well, i think that trump will probably be the nominee. i think that him shaking up the board can only be destabilized if he continues to have this image that he somehow causes disruptions. he s got to now act presidential. i think what mrs. clinton showed last night is that she s not only the nominee but that she won everywhere the african-american and latino vote. something that she can now use in a general election if she s running against a trump. you ve got to remember, joe, and mika, that in cleveland the prosecutor wouldn t indict and at that mere rice was defeated. in chicago alvarez wouldn t deal with the laquan mcdonald case was defeated. people are actively using the electoral process to express their views. if that is energized by ms. clinton, she can be very, very hard to beat in november if trump plays into i m representing this standdown thing. he s going to be dealing with a bigger electorate now than the far right of the republicans. 31% of people said they wouldn t vote for trump. you don t want to accept that? i am utterly terrified that this something that is reality. do you accept that it s getting to look like reality. based on steve s numbers, winning with 1241 when you need 1237 to get there, that four delegates is a little too close for comfort for him. so, first of all, this is not a foregone conclusion. i think that we need to also be very realistic of the fact that last night was not a very good night for people who want a third party option for something like this. let s say trump is, indeed, our nominee. we won t actually know that now until the first week in june. a third party operation would have to be up and running in may. there s a small chance that trump might not be the republican nominee. you would have conservatives like me trying to stand up a third party or some sort of alternative to trump with the possibility that you could still have a reasonable scientent. who would that be? i would love it to be jeb. i d love it to be romney, paul ryan. jeff greenfield, what republicans want and what republicans have gotten are two very different things this year. yeah. may not be a foregone conclusion but it s a 3 1/2 gone conclusion. pretty close. i was thinking eight years ago in may tim russert famously said one night we now know who the nominees of the parties are going to be. we re awfully close. to david plouffe s point, if you re a republican you need to worry about donald trump. he s broken every single rule. as i wrote yesterday and i m getting serious feedback, i think hillary clinton in some ways is uniquely vulnerable to him, in part because he will say things that no other opponent will. she wants to raise masogony, you know the card he s going to raise. don t even do it. because he seems to be unable to avoid these slips. if i m donald trump i m buying every billboard with her quote, we re going to put a lot of coal miners out of work. you want to talk about how the electoral map gets a little bit scrambled. yes, the latino vote could maybe make arizona in play. that rust belt area which the democrats have carried for six straight elections i think becomes vulnerable under some circumstances if people can get by the fact that donald trump is the most manifestly unfit person ever to run for office. times ten. times ten, huh? we hear this and yet, al, you ve talked about before, how donald trump could actually shake things up. he could, but i think that but he s got to make that turn. the worst enemy of donald trump is donald trump. i think that if he gets into the debates with mrs. clinton and becomes more clown than presidential and is prone to over i mean, last night you have one of the biggest nights of his career and he s arguing about poll numbers. you said earlier, why are you concerned about the economists and their poll than you are about what s going on in terms of the electorate? he s got to grow into where he is, and i bet he doesn t. and if he doesn t, he will never win the white house. david plouffe, a little communication, quick question. republicans right now are going on the senate and the senate are going to have to decide whether they re going to meet with, whether they re going to have hearings for and whether they are going to vote for judicial nominee to the supreme court. what would your advice be to democrats if they refuse to even meet with whoever that nominee is going to be? well, joe, it s tough to take back their positioning here. what i never understood was they almost seemed scared and fearful. sit back and go through the process. if you want to reject the nominee, reject the nominee. it s much less exciting that way. i think they ve got themselves in a tough position. you re looking at the prospect of trump being your nominee. this will be a lot closer than people think. you say hillary clinton is the odds on favorite. you ll probably like the conditions a loot more now than you might like them in 10 or 11 months. the president has the high ground and they ll play it out. david plouffe, thank you. reverend al sharpton and 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where do you begin to get back in the game and win the states you need to win to make this thing much more of a two-person race than what it is right now, a three-person race? well, first, let me just congratulate marco rubio on a wonderful campaign, very gracious and inspiring speech last night. he was statesman like and did the right thing. john kasich, as you point out, has no path. a contested convention will be devastating for this party. ted cruz can be will beat donald trump in a one-on-one race. should john kasich drop out. urge republicans to get behind him. but i think what you ll see is us moving on to places like arizona, and utah, and missouri, wisconsin. pardon me. do you think john kasich continuing to battle this out. do you think john kasich should drop out. i do. i do. frankly, he doesn t have a path. i mean, he s a good and honorable man. he fought a good fight in ohio. he s been a good governor but he doesn t have a path so apparently his hope is that he can be some kind of king maker, but ultimately this is not about him. this is about our country. this is about our party. i said the week that donald trump announced he does not represent me, he does not represent our party and i do not think he can be our nominee and we need to give ted cruz now a chance to beat him one on one which ted cruz can. thank you so much, carly. up next, one of the more interesting moments from our interview with donald trump. also, the americans, best show on television. joe is obsessed with the show. premiers tonight. this is an amazing show. obsessed. we re going to be talking to the gurus of the americans next. the intelligent, all-new audi a4 is here. ain t got time to make no apologies. you re an at&t small business expert? 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so i know what i m doing and i listen to a lot of people. i talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time i ll tell you who the appropriate people are. i speak to a lot of people. my primary consultant is myself. you know, i have a good instinct for this stuff. that was donald trump speaking to us last hour on morning joe with his answer to now the fourth time that i ve asked him about who he is consulting on foreign policy. we ll be following that. okay. nuclear proliferation, he is ese and today s laundry list isn t all that different from the list facing the u.s. in the 1980s which is the time featured in the hit fx show the americans. it s what we call a source. i might get some information. is it dangerous? no. it s more it s more about getting people to trust you, to help them understand that you want the same thing that they want, which is to make the world a safer place for everyone. not everyone sees it that way, so it s all done in secret. wow. season four kicks off with a major curveball for the average american teenager, finding out her parents are actually soviet spies. that s a bummer. joining us now that is a bummer. executive producers and writers. so tell us, do they knock off the preacher? they ve got to knock off the preacher, right? i thought he was going to do it last season. so this is this is i ve been very this is my favorite show on television right now. pretty extraordinary and really last season ended with the parents basically being outed by their own daughter. teenagers. teenagers. so talk about this year and just great reviews you guys have already gotten. yeah, the reviews have been pretty overwhelming. this year kicks off with a lot of propulsion from last year. we ve done something we haven t done in prior years, we started where we left off. a lot of character and story fueling to explore. why is it such a success? it s not about espionage so much as it s about a married couple trying to work their way through. we say if we took all the espionage out of it, would it be the same? this couple has a lot of secrets. that s why people like it. how does the process happen? last season ended, did you guys start right away? i follow you on twitter, that s how we ve gotten to know each other. but do you guys start right away writing the new season? yeah, we do, we start right away, before our summer break we had written two scripts and four more stories for season four. we ll do the same thing this season as well. so we take where we ended and continue the story. you guys work together in the same room screaming and yelling. we share an office. we have our desks across from each other. so whose idea was it? yeah. for those who don t know about the show, what sets it apart? set it up. the whole thing started, i oo used to work at the cia. i got a call from the dream works television from when all the russian spies were arrested. they called me up and said, do you want to create a series? i said, sure. that was a long time ago, six years ago now. so for people who haven t seen it, i started to tell them a couple weeks ago, they need to catch up, talk about the setup. these guys are what we call illegals. the russians still have illegals in this country and all over the world. they re a special breed of spy. they don t work in an embassy. they pose as actual americans. this isn t a fantasy or something crazy out of a novel. these people are so deep under cover that they live in suburban communities in places like that, they speak english as well. in real life they have accents and things like that that might tip people off. just because you have a neighbor with an accent why would it occur to you that they re soviet or russian spies. joe, talk about the cast that you guys have assembled. just extraordinary from top to bottom. they re amazing. as much as they re out there trying to spy, they re people who have to raise a family. they re leading a double life. carrie russell and matthew reese is incredible, emerick is amazing. we re lucky because they re able to bring these kashlg terse to life in a way that s real. that s the magic of the show. you talk about secrets. this couple obviously has a secrets, but do they have secrets from each other as well? i remember seeing one episode where it was just there were so many layers of secrets. it was mind bending. we joke about it that sometimes it gets confusing even for them to keep straight what secrets they re keeping from each other. even in a way secrets from themselves. in that kind of situation you can end up lying to yourself in certain ways. we all have multiple identities in this recalled would. we all have multiple relationships. it s discussed in their marriage and family. my gosh. i m curious as the seasons have progressed and you look back on it, are there character developments or story lines you wish you would have done a little bit differently or taken a different direction? now do you sort of look at the fullness of it and go, wow, if we had done this, if we had got it right on this character maybe the story line would have been different? sometimes we talk about characters that we killed early on. we have a couple of those in season one wish was still around. we have some blood on our hands and it s not that we regret the blood, we regret the early spilling of the blood. yeah. you know what s fascinating, phillip, talk about the friction between the couple, how phillip actually starts to think pretty early on it s in a bad country. got air conditioning. closet space. closet space. a bit of a new york moment there. exactly. there is that friction all over. guys, thank you so much for coming in. thank you. hope you ll come back. season four of the americans premiers tonight at 10:00 p.m. it is a much, much needed break from politics. thank you, guys. up next, what have we learned today? 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a phrase comes to mind, resistance is futile. for the republican establishment? yeah. all these secret meetings, they re going to have another one. we re going to sit down and work this out. i asked a question several months ago, who s going to take out trump and when do they do it? they can t answer those two questions. get with the game plan. the momentum, mika, he just keeps moving forward. rolled over ted cruz and marco rubio last night. looks like donald trump has a path to the nomination. i m not sure what the kasich plan is in cleveland. that could be exciting. i think people need to start accepting what has happened. yeah. something needs to move to bring the party and him together. might be. the new york times actually got the headlines right. both hillary clinton and donald trump rolled up big wins last night. i will tell you that the scope of hillary clinton s victories to the degree. wow, she had a huge night tonight as well. it s a big day ahead on msnbc at 11:00 a.m. eastern. stay tuned for full coverage of president obama s announcement of the supreme court nomination. steve kornacki picks up analysis of last night s big primary results right now. all right. well, good morning, everybody. a big hour ahead for us after the biggest night yet in american politics in the year 2016. a full hour of results, of analysis, of what this all means going forward. we have that straight ahead. also though, breaking news this morning for you out of washington. president obama now set to announce his pick for the supreme court at 11:00 a.m. eastern in the rose garden. the political implications of this are