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I don't want to overstate it, but it just seems to be that everything is known at this point. everything is known over and over again. we heard the same narrative, the same quid pro quo narrative. and, you know, the only -- the only good thing in this whole process, to me, is that the american people have been allowed to see some great public servants who ordinarily don't get any attention for the good work that they do on behalf of the american people. >> jonathan, one of the things dr. hill did right out of the box, we got a preview of it when we saw her opening statement about 24 hours ago ...

And, you know, i hate to say it but when women show anger it's not fully appreciated, it's often, you know, pushed on to emotional issues and perhaps are deflected on to other people. what i was angry about was that he waersn't coordinating with u i realized that during his deposition that he wasn't right. he wasn't coordinating with us because we weren't doing the same thing he was doing. so i was upset with him that he wasn't fully telling us about all of the meetings that he was having. and he said to me, but i'm briefing the president. i'm briefing chief of staff mulvaney. i'm briefing sec...

Comfortable, a, on the trust issues and, b, on negotiation and understand even the process and how are we going to avoid continuing to drag all of these unbelievably important international issues into the domestic political side of this? i think there's a storyline there that is going to be part of the run-up to the election granted that foreign policy in the send not going to drive this one. but it's a supporting argument to what you just laid out. >> mika, if this plays out the way that donny and others suggested it will, the way michael steele suggested it will, which is that the president...

But there's enough -- we have the fact set related to the particular behaviors. it would be good to obviously know exactly what mike pompeo did, mike pence's role because we have to understand their level of culpability or not culpability. there's always obviously more to know. . >> what i mean is we have enough to go on right now. i think people understand the basic dynamic that the president wanted ukraine to investigate joe biden on false charges in order to create a political problem for joe biden and he was going to hold up aid. >> but to donny's point about having it go on, the fact is a...

Your case, you make your case. i'm going back to the poll that i cited in the previous hour, the emerson poll, people, i do believe that people are -- have a wear-out factor on this stuff. and the more you say something's on fire. oh my god, you say something's on fire a hundred times you get a bit desensitized to it. you have your case, you haven't it any clearer. that doesn't mean we can't revis the john bolton or rudy giuliani or mick mulvaney in the future. but tie this up right now. you have the silver bullet, use it. >> but this is a legal process and i understand that people are, quote,...