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pictures. afraid he will catch me picking my nose. can t believe that guy was president of the united states. because he is branded as a crook. it s important to remember the wrong approach that executive power that led nixon to those crimes. you want a level, don t you? good evening. this is the 37th time i have spoken to from you this office. so many decisions have been made that shape the history of our nation. need more? there was good in him. he had been a good vice-president. but he was fatally flawed and a fatally flawed president. nixon, he had been a hero to millions of americans. here is a guy who received more votes than anybody else in the history of this country. the richard nixon they supported through the years was not the richard nixon that they thought
they knew. every generation has to lose their virginity. it was just the day that my generation did. to think that we re the only generation that had that experience is probably the mistake that a lot of generations make. he is ready before the cameras now. president richard nixon, 37th president of the united states. throughout the long and difficult period of watergate, i felt it was my duty to persevere. watergate doesn t go away. it was so extraordinary. it was so hidden. we act like it can t happen again. it did a lot of stuff. there was a lot of passing laws and giving speeches. if you ask me do i think we learned anything from it? no. i have never been a quitter. to leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body.
in hollywood terms, woodward and bernstein were the good guys. their weapon was the written word. did he confirm it? i played bob woodward in the fi. carl bernstein was played by dustin hoffman. one of the things i observed with carl is that he smoked so incessantly. carl was always always had ashes on his tie and his shirt. i said, that s got to be in the movie. is there any place you don t smoke? 40 years later, the two investigative reporters are back in the washington post newsroom. i join them for a reunion with ben bradley. their former editor. the first time in decades we have all been together. hello, robert. it s texting intempting to
watergate could never happen it again. they know better. i look good. it s only 40 years ago. i wanted to dig deeper into their story and to what if any impact it had on our culture today. a photographer is here to document the three men. for bob woodward, watergate started the way most stories do, with a phone call from his editor. the moment i got the call about 9:00 a.m. on saturday morning, june 17th, no one flashed a message to me, this is going to be one of the most important days of your life. i was in the office that day. i saw all this commotion around the city desk on a saturday morning. went to find out what it was.
there was this moment in history that became known as watergate. woodward and bernstein, for those of us in the profession, i think we were quickly in awe of what they were doing. i became truly inspired by both their incredible investigative reporting and their storytelling. i remember thinking when first read the woodward and bernstein articles, where is this going, especially coming in the midst of the turmoil playing out in the streets around the country. president nixon s first term in office had been marched by loud and frequent and sometimes violent protests.
largely against the vietnam war. it really did seem like the world was unraveling. growing up in a suburban existence with parents who saw chicago in 1968 erupt into flames, saw people burning their draft cards, saw a sexual revoluti revolution, saw a drug revolution, saw woodstock come into their homes. when i joined the nixon white house, there were a lot of demonstrations against the war. probably was some of the most intense times i think our country had ever faced. often we were feeling like we were in a state of siege. you felt it physically. and we knew that we were going to have to protect the white house. there s a lot of discussion about using troops directly
facing the demonstrators, which i felt could lead to direct confrontation and conflicts. so it came to me, why don t we do what john wayne did? circle the white house with buses. not wagons but with buses, which is what we did. did you want to be on the side of jane fonda or john wayne? my parents chose john wayne. therefore, they were for nixon and nixon was on the side of law and order. nixon s law and order platform was very popular. in the coming election, he seemed a shoo-in for a second term. i proudly accept your nomination for president of the united states.
by the summer of 1962, nixon s campaign machine was in full force. his re-election committee would become entangled with a mysterious illegal break-in. five men were arrested early saturday while trying to install eavesdropping equipment at the democratic national committee. it was the sunday after the burglary. we were the only two who showed up in the office. i was in the office that day. i was writing a profile. i said, this is a better story than the one i m working on. i think i would like to work on this. it turns out that one of the men has an office in the headquarters of the committee for the re-election of the president. james mccord, the lead burglar, had been in the cia in the security business for decades. was the head of security at the nixon campaign. wait a minute? what s going on here?
woodward and bernstein never imagined answering that question would lead them smack into the oval office. we were dating, wed to get excited about things like concert tickets or a new snowboard. matt: whoo! wh jen: but that all changed when we bought a house. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that s some good mulch. i m awake. but it was pretty nifty when jen showed me how easy it was to protect our home and auto with progressive. [ wrapper crinkling ] get this butterscotch out of here. progressive can t protect you from becoming your parents. there s quite a bit of work, cause this was all this was all stapled. but we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us.
but we can protect your home and auto we re not on an island anymore. [ roaring ] what could go wrong? you good? yeah, you? [ roaring ] [ screaming ] nope. rated pg-13. on august 1, 1972, i picked up woodward and bernstein s third article on watergate. it said one of the burglars had gotten money from the nixon campaign. what the reporters would soon discover was that nixon s
re-election committee was engaging in sabotage against the democrats. woodward and bernstein were beginning to pull back the curtains on a strange and shadowy world. i wanted to know how they were doing it. i got intrigued with making a film about woodward and bernstein because one was a jew, the other was a wasp. one was a radical liberal and the other was a republican. beyond that, the hard work that they did together to get at this story. so i gave woodward a call. he was chilly on the phone. i said, this is bob redford calling. he said, yeah. i said, i wanted to know if i could meet you and your partner. i have this idea i want to share with you. woodward came to me and said that redford had called. i put together who redford was. interested in talking to us or whatever. i said, we re busy. we gotta do this story.
for woodward and bernstein it wasn t only that it seemed fishy, there was something just as odd about the white house response. the press secretary called it a third rate burglary attempt. calling it a third rate burglary, that was the tip-off us that seemed to be nothing third rate about it except they got caught. they raised the stakes so high with this third rate burglary nonsense. it was apparent that something here was really rotten. nixon assigned his top lieutenants the task of managing the fallout from the break-in. among them, bob haldeman and john ehrlichman would welcome the guardians of the clandestine activities. watergate begins to monopolize more of their time. we know that because nixon had a secret tape recording system in the oval office.
i really very quickly become the desk officer at the white house on watergate. i m the person who others below me report and then i in turn report up . they are deeply involved. it s a classic criminal conspiracy. as woodward and bernstein suspected, the first clue would be found at the republican committee to re-elect the president. its treasurer was hugh sloane. we raised $60 million, the most successful fund-raising to that point in history of any presidential campaign. some of the committee s practices were starting to make sloane uneasy. he was right out of republican central casting.
clean cut, seemed to always have his shirt and tie on. he was troubled, because he was the one who was giving out the money. i was fine with everything up to the point i was directed to give cash to specific individuals. sloane would soon learn that some of the campaign money raised by the re-election committee had found its way into the hands of the watergate burglars. the key was the money and finding these people who controlled the funds and figuring out what they did with the money. by now, woodward and bernstein weren t the only ones following the money. the fbi were on the trail and a grand jury had begun its own investigation. everyone wanted to talk to hugh sloane. the cash that financed the watergate break-in, five men had controls of the funds. they recommended to tell them
the story to print it. we re ask ugh ing you to be - say we wrote a story that said he controlled the fund. would we be wrong? established through conversations and other means that i would have acknowledged five people as having the authority to tell me to dispense funds. one of them was bob haldeman. i would have no problems if you run a story like that. you wouldn t? no. okay. if you are looking for a phrase that defined what the execution of watergate was, it was a haldeman operation. it was driven by nixon. but operationally, it was haldeman doing it. on october 25th, two weeks before the election, the front
page headline pointed the finger at the number one man in the president s inner circle, haldeman. sloane had testified that haldeman controlled the secret fund. but they were wrong. i had never been asked about bob haldeman. sloane had not named haldeman in his testimony. white house pounced. i don t respect the type of journalism, the shabby journalism being practiced by the washington post. i use the term shoddy journalism, shabby journalism. i used the term character assassination. this was their opportunity to discredit the post, woodward and bernstein and bury the story. they came after us. the press secretary. we knew that we were the
targets. all i know is that the story that ran this morning is incorrect. we made a mistake. [ bleep ] up. we had an intellectual understanding of the facts of the story and haldeman s role in watergate. but what was in the washington post was untrue. we should not have allowed that to happen. i was angry at myself and carl and how we got it wrong. we thought, maybe we are going to have to resign. maybe we should resign. we were kind of at the end of our rope. woodward and bernstein, the path to the truth had just gotten longer and harder. over the last 24 hours, you finished preparing him for college. in 24 hours, you ll send him off thinking you ve done everything for his well-being. but meningitis b progresses quickly and can be fatal, sometimes within 24 hours.
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i ve never known a national election when i would be able to go to bed earlier than tonight. repeat after me. i richard nixon do solemnly swear. i richard nixon do sal manically swear. that i will faithfully execute the office of president of the united states. looking back at the early watergate reports, it s hard to believe that nixon was completely unscathed. imagine a president getting away with that unfolding scandal in today s political environment. woodward and bernstein went back to their desks, put their heads down and continued to grind away at the story. i knew i was going to be judged, the paper was going to be judged on this story. therefore, you know, i think you could get away with not being 100% accurate on day one, but
you had to be as close as you could get and you had to be closer the next day and closer the day after that. they knew that haldeman was controlling the secret fund. the question was, who was controlling haldeman? i was amazed by woodward and bernstein s resolve. there s nothing glamorous about what they were doing. i thought it was important to portray the hard work and the feelings about the film from a studio standpoint was non-commercial. phones, typewriters, washington. bob did something which was brilliant. he said, these guys, even though they are from separate, diverse backgrounds, think of them as one. particularly when they re interviewing people. he said, let s learn not only our own lines but let s memorize the other guy s lines.
sloane. sloane was the treasurer of the committee his wife did what? she s pregnant. she made sloane quit. make a note of it. what do we got? where is that each of us would come in at any time. we would take one half of a sentence. finish it. she said it. right here. she said at the time of the break-in there was so much money floating around that i know i thought it was one of the most exciting and most successful things that we did in that film. like woodward and bernstein, dustin and i couldn t have been more opposite. one of the things that i remember you telling me was that you had trouble even you at that time had trouble getting a studio to say yes, because they all said we know the ending. why should we do all why would we do this when we know the outcome.
it s about the two guys. and what they did that nobody knew about. you said it was a detective story. the main thing i think you felt the same way. the alchemy of the two guys considering their differences. one of the tough story points was how do you betray someone so twisted on the inside and straight-laced on the outside? richard nixon is now the guy who when you see photos of him, even at his prime, you cannot believe he was ever president of the united states. he seemed to me to be the kid in the schoolyard whom all the other kids picked on. i identified with that. who was nixon? nixon. nixon was a party guy, an animal. to me, nixon was a character
couturcan a tur. i had my nixon down. ten years owed walking around the house. i am not a crook. i have a more complex view of the man and his presidency. president nixon created a new federal department, the environmental protection agency. the question of who is richard nixon is almost imponderable. i look at him as one of really one of the great minds that has ever really been in the presidency. he had achieved some extraordinary breakthroughs. his opening to china, soviet union. i think nixon would by today s standards be considered maybe a conservative democrat, maybe at some levels a radical leftist. hello. here is one of the men around the president we don t hear much
about, alex butterfield. deputy assistant. my first meeting with the president, my god. i can t tell it without acting. today, butterfield and the president nixon came out from behind his desk and looked tentative. he had no idea what to do. he began to gesture. no words came out. it s just this deep gutter all this is the president. i couldn t believe it. butterfield would play a crucial role in the investigation. he had knowledge of the secret taping system in the oval office. haldeman came to me. he said, the president wants a tape recording system. the secret service has a technical security division, electronics and communications guys. that s who i went to. the first thing, he indicated
he intimated that they had done this before. he didn t say we did it for johnson, we did it for this president or that. he also indicated these things usually don t work out very well. he was a paparanoid man. he gave them a lot to get him with. he wasn t glamorous. he wasn t social. he was kind of awkward and very smart. but it s hard to get past the tapes and what you hear on the tapes and the rambling and the paranoia and just the insanity.
i really didn t know richard nixon when i went into the white house. i had a public image of him. as he gets more comfortable with me, i start to see a rather dark side of this man. i realize very quickly, he is a man who harbored tremendous animosity towards his enemies, literally. he doesn t forgive. he doesn t forget. he wants to get even. the real nixon is on those tapes. it is a road map of his mind. it is a road map of his presidency. it would lead to an underground parking garage and their next big break. woodward met with a government official who had an understanding what was going on
in the white house. he would become known as deep throat. just follow the money.
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most memorable figure in the watergate scandal. when woodward and bernstein s book came out, guessing deep throat s identity turned into a cottage industry. i have to do this my way. you tell me what you know and i will confirm. i will keep you in the right direction if i can. but that s all. just follow the money. deep throat was a blessing. i didn t want to mess with. my day, it was known as the double cross. our present context, it means infiltration of the democrats. i just felt it was a wonderful piece of drama. i want to talk about watergate. sometimes he would just he was not very forthcoming. a couple of key times he was. clear from the book and i hope from the movie that it s somebody who was conscience
stricken, somebody who crossed lines that somebody in that sort of responsible position rarely crosses and crossed for the best of reasons. he gave us a solidity in what others were telling us that might have sounded unbelievable given how crazy some of it was. i didn t know what deep throat looked like. didn t know if it was a man or woman. the mystique. it s embarrassing. it s deep throat. named after a porn movie. the nickname deep throat was dirty from the beginning. yet, because it was so important to the story, everyone talks about deep throat this and deep throat that in this casual way. the term deep throat, everybody was on deep background, meaning you could use it but not with any kind of attribution at all that would indicate where it came from. i wouldn t quote you even as an anonymous source. you would be on deep background.
the fascination with that one source i think was driven in part by the anonymity, that we knew what happened in the administration, we knew through all the president s men how woodward and bernstein ferreted out the information. no deep throat, no movie. there s something so incredibly bondish about it that without that, i m not sure you get the hollywood of the story. he to me was probably a crucial element in follow the money. deep throat was woodward s contact. it took him a while to let bernstein in on the secret. he said i have something that works at the justice department who is in a very advantageous position. he told me a bit about him. didn t tell me exactly who he
was or where he worked. he didn t want to talk on the phone. he knew about what was going on with wiretaps and how they would go after journalists. he said, we have to meet. it struck me at the time as kind of odd. but again, i was just beginning this process of washington reporting. it sounded reasonable to me. let s meet at 2:00 a.m. in this underground garage. in this garage under the cover of night, deep throat began to allude to a far-reaching conspiracy deep in the heart of the white house. it involves the entire u.s. intelligence community. fbi, cia, justice. it s incredible. deep throat was a great help in that he confirmed information that we had obtained elsewhere for the most part. it gave us a better idea of how big the conspiracy was. deep throat was out there.
and we began to hear about it from the ground up that bob had this special source. when will the rest of the world know who is deep throat? when that source passes away or releases us from our agreement and pledge of confidentiality. who is deep throat? we said deep throat is a man. you can rule out some suspects like diane sawyer. woodward says deep throat was a man. you build a strong case for the identity of alexander hague. do you have any idea what deep throat was? deep throat is a collection of people. how did the secret of deep throat last for so long? the answer is, neither of us told our exwives. during our filming, woodward mentioned the portrayal was close to the real thing. when i asked him who the man was, he just smiled. other guesses over the years, john sears, mark felt.
i never leaked any information. i didn t give anybody any documents. i m getting fed up with the whole thing. mark felt caught some people s attention. he was the number two man in the fbi. he looked the part. no, no, i m not deep throat. the only thing i can say is that i wouldn t be ashamed to be. three decades later, bob woodward went to visit mark felt. the elderly man was living with his daughter on a quiet street in the suburbs of san francisco. coincidentally named redford place. i was talking to a friend of mine. we started talking about watergate and he asked me about my father. i started telling him about the reporters calling. i said, as a matter of fact, one reporter, i think he said his name was bob woodward from the washington post, came to the house to try and get an interview with dad and try to find out if dad is deep throat.
my friend said, joan, bob woodward knows who deep throat is. that s when i started thinking, oh, my gosh, maybe dad could be deep throat. but dad denied it. he said that he wasn t deep throat. i said, dad, you got to tell me the truth. please tell me the truth. i need to know. tell me. so he did. he looked me in the eyes and said, all right, if that s the way it s going to be, he said, all right, i am, i was that person. i got a call from vanity fair and told in the next few hours they were going to break a story saying that felt was deep throat and would i confirm it. carl came down to washington. we talked about this.
should we reveal it? should we confirm it? what s the obligation now? then ben bradley stepped in and said, it s out. it s over. you need to confirm it. so we did. felt was the number two man at the fbi when he says he became the source who helped reveal watergate that brought down richard nixon. my dad, i know him, i know him so well. he s a great man. he is so kind. he is so attentive to other people. and loving. we re so proud of him, not only for his role in history but for that, the character he has, the person that he is. clearly, there was an element of the conflicted man, the divided man. but then when i saw him on the doorstep, the video of mark felt in his pajamas with a smile on his face, the smile that i had never seen him smile. he was not a happy person in all the years i dealt with him. turns out it had been
liberating for us, for the truth, for felt, because now there was an awful lot of speculation in those 30 years, including by many of our peers and colleagues that we made this up. this was an element of clarity and closure, answering a question that had persisted for a long time. deep throat begins to guide woodward and bernstein through an elaborate maze of corporate activities. they begin to connect watergate to more of the president s men. by the beginning of 1973, congress could no longer ignore the scandal. their investigation would boil down to one simple question. what did the president know and when did he know it? matt: whoo! whoo! jen: but that all changed when we bought a house. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that s some good mulch.
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the senate today voted 77-0 to establish a select committee to investigate the watergate bugging case. the by barely eight months after woodward and bernstein published their first article, the senate created a committee to investigate the watergate scandal. the story started with a reporters nosing around a suspicious break in. it has grown into a full-fledged examination of the nixon white house. i know we are obstructing justice. i told haldeman that. i told ehrlichman that. they didn t want to hear that. one point ehrlichman said, john, there s something putrid in your drinking water out there in old town where you live. i said, no, john, i m just a realist. we got problems. on march 21st, john dean walked into the oval office and
gave nixon a blunt assessment of the damage that watergate was doing to his presidency. he had had his feet on the desk when was looking around his shoes at me. i have the impression you don t everything i know and it makes it very difficult for you to make judgments that only you can make. after that remark his feet were solidly on the floor. he had slid his chair up and i had his full attention. i knew at that point he knew something but i didn t know how much. there is no doubt about the seriousness of the problem we got. i m warning him he s got problems. this was not good news i was about to share that there is a cancer on his presidency. we have a cancer within close to the presidency that s growing. it s growing daily. he kind of just absorbs that for a minute and thinks about it.
as the conversation goes on, i say, mr. president, you know, i don t know where this will end. it s just going to keep going up. the senate investigation was closing in on the president. to distance himself from the cover up, nixon needed scapegoats. one of the most difficult decisions of my presidency, i accepted the resignations of two of my closest associates at the white house. bob haldeman and john ehrlichman. two of the finest public servants it has been my privilege to know. when he gets rid of them he is also planning his defense. the watergate scandal broke wide open today. the two closest men to the president have resigned. he thinks this will protect him, and he will claim he had known nothing about a cover up until i told him on march 21st. he is sorting all this out until
the end of the month when he decides he s just got to let everybody go. and then, of course, he fires me. on may 17th the senate held its first public hearing. one by one, the president s men were summoned to the senate chamber. under cross-examination each was asked, had the president of the united states broken the law? what did the president know and when did he know it? i don t think there has ever been a moment in american nonfiction television history that is as riveting as the watergate hearings were. i did not grow up with the memory of having seen it, obviously. but it was this omnipresent thing in the way that my mom talked about my young childhood. she was a young mother, home with a baby on the hip and what she did for my infancy was feed me and watch watergate. i was sitting in a dressing
room making a film the great gatsby and you would watch the hearings to keep yourself from going mad. the hearings were so interesting, you couldn t stop. what was interesting is the drama and the tension and the certain area of mystery. what s going to happen? do i understand you are testifying the committee to re-elect the president and those associated with him the watergate hearings were an absolute unifying television experience for the entire country. this is a special report i can remember watching it and thinking, man, they re interrupting soap operas, wow. you just figure that this must be something enormously fundamental to our democracy. most of us thought the most dramatic testimony would come from haldeman and ehrlichman, but in the end it would be john dean that transfixed the country.
haldeman and ehrlichman and the president knew we did have an option. we could at that point drag the wagons around of a giant lie that would protect everybody who was willing to lie. who was willing to lie? haldeman, ehrlichman. the point is i didn t run around trying to bribe anybody or shred documents. we preserved the documents. the president, ehrlichman and i made no attempt to take over the watergate case. the view of all three of us through the whole period was that the truth must be told and quickly although we did not know what the truth was. so when i testified council will call the first witness. mr. john w. dean iii. i knew clearly, was i in or out, was the question? and i decided i could not play that game. i ve made mistakes. we d gotten ourselves in a deep problem and further lying and living that lie, even if i can get away with it, isn t something i m comfortable with.
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do you swear that the evidence that you shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? i do, so help me god. like most americans i, too, was riveted by john dean s testimony. your name is john w. dean iii? that is correct. i remember being struck by how methodically he presented nixon s pattern of deception. when the president called me and we had a rather lovely discussion i told him at the conclusion of the conversation that evening that i wanted to talk with him as soon as possible about the watergate matter because i did not think he fully realized all the facts and the imp cage of those facts for the people at the white house and as well as himself. you had the president s counsel. people forget he was the president s lawyer. you can t have anything worse
happen to you than your own lawyer turning against you. i began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency. and if the cancer was not removed, the president, himself, would be killed by it. i also told him that it was important that this cancer be removed immediately because it was growing more deadly every day. john dean s testimony was on for four days. it was mesmerizing. people were missing airplanes. people were standing around furniture stores that sold tv sets watching in the plate-glass windows, the television. i told him the cash that had been at the white house had been funneled back to the re-election committee for the purpose of paying the seven individuals to remain silent. and dean wasn t pulling any punches. a recipient of wiretap information and haldeman also. received some information. i said to myself wow everything john dean is saying to that committee, i hope they know, it is true.
the counsel was retained at that time. what date was that? that was on the 25th, as i recall. we absolutely believed what he was saying and the more evidence we got the more it confirmed what he was saying. meeting of march 21. as i have indicated, my purpose in requesting this meeting, particularly with the president, was that i felt it was necessary that i give him a full report of all the facts that i knew and explained to him what i believed to be the implications of those facts. we had white house logs of meetings. so when he said i met with the president on march 21st, we could look at the log and say, well, he certainly did. how do you expect us to resolve the truth in this matter when you state one story and you testified here and made yourself subject to cross-examination and
the president states another story and he does not appear before this committee? can you give us any information as to how we might resolve this? mr. chairman, i think this. i strongly believe that the truth always emerges. i don t know if it will be during these hearings. i don t know if it will be through the processes of history, but the truth will out some day. it s very hard to think about the president not being believed and john dean being believed. so if it came down to he said/he said, the president was going to win. president nixon and his counsel, john dean, now appear to be at odds over the watergate scandal. one nixon aide knew how to prove who was lying, but no one had asked him. while in the barbershop i m watching the hearings, as was everyone, every place. this is the morning of monday
the 16th of july. i was really quite relaxed until i got that phone call. we re going to want you to come up here and testify. a senator wants you to testify at 2:00. i said, you can just tell him i m not coming. so on the tube i see this guy go in behind the senators and whisper in urban s ear. and it s those big bushy eyebrows of his went, whoop. you can see them going up and down. and he wasn t pleased. you could tell that. he tells this young man something and the guy leaves. predictably right away the phone rings. and he said i just told the senator what you said and he said if you are not in his office at 1:00 he will have federal marshals pick you up on the street. that s exactly what he said. carl stern is outside the senate caucus room and maybe can tell us more about mr.
butterfield and what he is expected to tell the committee. carl? there was a lot of speculation. obviously, something was cooking as far as what he was going to say because we were deviating from the schedule. we believe his testimony will have to do with white house procedures. that room was chock full of people. boyfriends with girls standing on their shoulders, people in the window ledges up there. cameras all over the place. i d like to change the usual routine of questioning and ask minority counsel to begin the questioning of mr. butterfield. thank you. the old caucus room was packed full of famous names and celebrities and whatnot, kind of a circus atmosphere, frankly. mr. butterfield, i understand you previously employed by the white house? is that correct? that s correct. during what period of time were you employed by the white house? i would like to preface my
remarks, if i may. i m sorry. go right ahead. although i do not have a statement as such i would simply like to remind the committee membership that whereas i appear voluntarily this afternoon, i appear with only some three hours notice. i wanted them to know i was enjoying a haircut just at 11:00 today. mr. butterfield, are you aware of installation of listening devices in the oval office of the president? i tried to think is that direct? yeah, that s direct. that s a very direct question. i m not trying to sound dramatic here, but i knew then that the jig was up. i was aware of listening devices. yes, sir. i was under the assumption that this tape recording system was still deep, dark secret over
at the white house. that secret was well kept. when you stop and think, rosemary woods, his secretary, never knew about the tapes. henry kissinger, as close as henry was, never knew about the tapes. john ehrlichman never knew about the tapes. two people told me about it before it became public. i called bradley at home at 9:00 on saturday night i believe and said, nixon taped himself. what should we do? ben said, i wouldn t bust one on it. it s kind of a b-plus story. i thought, okay. the boss says b-plus. i won t work on it. i took sunday off and monday they called butterfield. i remember ben came by and knocked on my desk and said, okay, it s better than a b-plus. from that point on, of course, it s a fight for the tapes because they answer the questions. am i telling the truth? is the president telling the truth? what else happened? the prosecutors immediately subpoena the tapes. the senate subpoenas them. so nixon is early advised to destroy the tapes.
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telephone. nixon not only refused but on a saturday night in october 1973 he also ordered his attorney general to fire the special prosecutor. the attorney general was appalled. he said no and resigned. then the president told one of his assistants to call the deputy attorney general. when i picked the phone up it was al haig. he said he wanted me to fire cox and i said i m not going to do it. ruckleshouse refused in a moment of constitution of drama to obey a presidential order to fire the special watergate prosecutor. first the attorney general to his credit to say i m not going to do that and then resign and then the next person who is the deputy attorney general, bill ruckleshouse, one of the great people in the nixon administration, one of the most ethical men i have ever known, he, too, was not willing to do it. so the deputy attorney general, ruckleshouse, also resigned. there will be an announcement out of the white house later on. there will be?
does it have to do with the resignation of the attorney general? it might. you will have to get it from them. al haig said your commander in chief has ordered you to do this. i don t know what that added to the discussion. he said, well, who else is around? i said bob bork is here. he was the number three guy in the department. bork was the last one that was really eligible to do it. the commander in chief found someone willing to carry out his orders. bork fired cox. and i have asked all the personnel in the department to stay and help keep the department from going in this extraordinarily difficult time. and so ended what would become known as the saturday night massacre. one white house source said the president s motive was to remove the possibility of a constitutional confrontation as quickly as possible. richard nixon violated the law, he compromised the office and he violated the compact that we thought we had with him. before he did all of this he must have considered the
probable reaction in congress including the possibility of impeachment. there with some of us who felt that the imperial presidency was getting out of hand. the saturday night massacre was a signal to the american people that a president was putting himself above the rule of law and they demanded action. and the public outcry to the saturday night massacre was so significant. just the insanity of the saturday night massacre like who does that? how could you think you could get away with that? it s just not stable. people in high office tend to want to have power to themselves and they tend to want to keep it. power still tends to corrupt. presidents by the nature of the job are just unlikely to ever shed any of the executive power that their predecessors have accrued to the office. every president since jimmy
carter has expanded the powers of the presidency. and when president obama ran for office, he had as part of his pitch as a candidate, what was wrong with the expanded executive power that was asserted by the george w. bush administration, especially on national security issues, things like torture and secret prisons and all of that stuff after 9/11. he hasn t given any of that power back now that he is president. tonight i would like to give my answer to those who have suggested that i resign. i have no intention whatever of walking away from the job i was elected to do. after four months of legal squabbling the presidential tape recordings were finallydelivered today to the chief judge. we won t hear them, however, until all the discrepancies have been accounted for and today that situation grew worse, not better. much worse. nixon had handed over the tapes
but there was a catch. i was in the white house. things were fairly quiet. and i got a call to go to ron ziegler s office. i go up to ron s office thinking it s something routine and ziegler is clearing his throat a lot and is kind of rattling his coffee cup and that is when we learned about the gap in the tapes. we had been told just about three days earlier that the worst is behind us and suddenly there was an 18 1/2 minute gap in the tapes and all hell broke loose again. the conversation in question took place three days after the watergate burglars were caught and the watergate prosecutor thought it was important. we know the 18 1/2 minute gap was a conversation about watergate because it was with haldeman and the president and haldeman was a meticulous note taker and he took notes. the president s personal secretary, rosemary woods, was recalled to explain how she accidentally erased 18 minutes of a conversation with the president three days after the
watergate break-in. it didn t happen by accident would have been our first suspicion. i was the lawyer who questioned rosemary woods about the 18 1/2 minute gap. are you discussing testimony tomorrow? or an actual reenactment of bringing in her desk? i don t want to comment on it. i m called the mini skirted bitch. that was my name. pictures of me were always head to toe. my male colleagues are shoulder up. that s just how it was. rosemary woods represents really the majority of women at that time. you could be a nurse. you could be a teacher. you could be a secretary, or you could be a housewife. those were your choices. i was a very early professional and there we were head to head combat basically. ms. woods said it was a mistake. a record button hit accidentally while she took a phone call. she described that she pushed the wrong button. instead of pushing stop, she had pushed record. she also had to keep her foot on the pedal.
mrs. woods used the machine to show how it happened. when i asked her to demonstrate, she pushed the button, kept her foot on and she supposedly reached back about six feet to get the telephone. her foot came off the pedal just with the mere movement. there was just no way it was believable. the white house intention that the talk between the president and haldeman was accidently erased would give more ammunition to the president s critics. to hear something that was so obviously untrue changed a lot of the american public s view of the whole situation. rosemary woods would stand by her story. bob woodward would later write the 18 1/2 minute gap became a symbol for nixon s entire watergate problem. the truth had been deleted. the truth was missing. -and we welcome back gary, who s already won three cars, two motorcycles, a boat, and an r.v. i would not want to pay that insurance bill.
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sees carl reworking his story. how s it going? what are you doing? polishing a little. what s wrong with it? nothing, it s good. what are you doing with it? i m just helping. it s a little fuzzy. may i have it? i don t think you re saying what you mean. i know exactly what i mean. not here. i can t tell. may i have it? it s only conclusions. yes. i m not looking for a fight. i m not looking for a fight either. just aware of the fact you ve only been here nine months. now, having known both of them, that was so true and that s what goes on in newsrooms. if you are going to do it, do it right. here s my notes. if you re going to hype it, hype it with the facts. i don t mind what you did. i mind the way you did it. the thing about bernstein that i think you captured so well was his assuredness about how right he was, at the same time, totally intuitive and
instinctive, where he had to push woodward. and how you have to rewrite me because you re a better writer. and you do it without even thinking how bruised it s going to be. woodward was didactic. if that s the right word. he would go a, b, c, d in his investigative work. and bernstein would go a, b, h. we had the luxury of a fat, dynamic institution in the washington post, it was right at its peak. it s always been some chicannery in american politics, you re always going to have some underhanded dealings. nothing comparable to this. ended up that woodward and bernstein ushered in a new era of journalism that opened up the white house in a way that would have made lbj and jfk and fdr very uncomfortable. marcus, everyone asks the question, could the post do a story like watergate or do watergate now? what is your you know, in today s world that story would catch fire much faster. the minute the break-in
occurred, you know, you would tweet it. both sides would seize on it. it s an election campaign. it would be they would be using it immediately as fodder for their both sides in the battle. everybody would chase it. there would be bloggers. as a result it would be much harder to do what you did probably because there would be such they would clamp down much faster. it s a great question how watergate might unfold in the current news environment. you could look at the sort of glass half full argument and say with all of these people on twitter and all of these reporters the 24-hour news cycle, if a big story began to emerge, it would never be two lonely guys pursuing it forever because the entire pack of the cyberuniverse would bay like wolves after the white house until it happened. they used to say a reporter
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38 years ago. jesus. why did things have to change? every day bob and i would go have a cup of coffee together in the morning in a vending machine room off the newsroom. it sure is quiet in here. and on this particular day, not that long after the break-in, i put a dime in the coffee machine, which is what it cost then. and i literally felt this chill go down my neck. i mean literally, made my hair stick up, i think. i turned to woodward and i said, oh, my god, this president is going to be impeached. woodward looked at me and said, oh, my god, you re right. it s just a burst pipe, i could fix it. (laugh) no. with claim rateguard your rates won t go up just beacuase of a claim. i totally could ve. (wife) nope! switching to allstate is worth it.
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i would like to add a personal word with regard to an issue that has been of great concern to all americans over the past year. i refer, of course, to the investigations of the so-called watergate affair. i believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end. one year of watergate is enough. but as hard as nixon tried, watergate would not go away. the meeting will come to order. resolve that the committee on the judiciary is authorized and directed to investigate fully and completely whether sufficient grounds exist to impeach richard m. nixon, president of the united states of america. it took the american people
to force congress into action. this was not like what happened with president clinton where a special prosecutor said you should do an impeachment. there were those of us in congress who wanted to take action, but the powers that be refused. it was only when the american people broke down the wall of that resistance and said you have to do what you can do under the constitution to rein in the imperial president. the american people were losing patience. and the congressional committee was furious. they knew they had only scratched the surface. there were thousands of hours of recordings. but nixon was refusing to release any of them. president nixon today defied subpoenas demanding that he produce tapes and papers in his possession and the country moved closer to a clash between the white house and the congress and the courts which will be unprecedented in american history. it became clear he wasn t going to produce them voluntarily. there s a reason why he s drawing the line. he s taking all this flak, there must be some damaging things on
there. i was concerned we were concerned that he might dispose of the tapes. that in and of itself could be a criminal offense. burning the tapes, destroying the tapes. nixon never thought the tapes that he was making secretly would ever surface publically. they would always be for private use. it was never designed that they would come out so there is kind of a spontaneity and free flow of people talking about their authentic conclusions. and it s horrifying. mr. president? mr. president, you have made it perfectly clear you don t intend to release the tapes. perfectly clear? perfectly clear. it would be up to the supreme court to make the decision. on july 24, 1974, the court issued its ruling. good morning. the supreme court has just ruled on the tapes controversy. and how is that ruling? it is a unanimous decision,
8-0, ordering the president of the united states to turn over the tapes. the court voted unanimously, unanimously to require the tapes to be released. some of those members of the court had been appointed by richard nixon himself. so you had the court system acting in a nonpartisan way, in a credible way, regardless of politics. imagine that in the politicized supreme court that we ve had in our recent history. while nixon tried to put on the pretend act that operations were going on as normal, they weren t. they were disintegrating every day. three days after the supreme court ruling the house of representatives took the step most dreaded by the president. impeachment. nixon s fate now rested in the hands of the committee.
today i am an inquisitor and hyperbole would not be fictional and would not overstate the solemnness that i feel right now. my faith in the constitution is whole. it is complete. it is total. and i am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the constitution. aye. mr. conyers? aye. some republicans who voted for the impeachment, some democrats who voted for the impeachment, they were putting their political lives on the line. all of us were putting our reputations on the line. aye. we voted on the impeachment. it was one of the most sober and solemn moments in my life and i think in the life of everybody on that committee. everybody understood the stakes for the country.
that s what this was all about. and it was above party. it was what was good for america and what our democracy required. aye. it was the republicans that ultimately provided a real measure of putting country ahead of party. nixon held his ground. he insisted he knew nothing of the cover up, but among the thousands of hours of tapes one conversation recorded shortly after the break-in would destroy what was left of his credibility and his presidency. on that investigation the democratic party campaign thing, we re back in the problem area because the fbi is not under control and they have their investigation is now leading into some productive areas. what finally catches him is
when the tapes are released, the smoking gun tape puts the lie to the statement that he had no advanced knowledge. on the tape you hear nixon telling haldeman to direct the cia to stop an fbi investigation. without going into detail, don t lie to them to that extent. but you could say it s comedy of errors. but say that they should call the fbi and don t go into further into this case. those words clearly led to an obstruction of justice. and i was always amazed at the president s nonchalance. he didn t seem to care. i wanted to say to him, my god, man, do you know what you just said? do you know those tapes are rolling? after the smoking gun tape came out the president lost all support, republican, as well as democrat. republicans went to him and said you have to resign.
we cannot support you anymore. it was republicans finally who made sure that nixon had to leave office. barry goldwater, marching down to the white house. we sat there in the oval room and the president acted like he just played golf and just had a hole in one. you would never think this guy s tail was in a crack. nixon said how many votes if i m impeached in the house? how many votes in the senate? about 20. and goldwater said very few and not mine. the 37th president of the united states was facing the ultimate disgrace. for a man who craved power the question was, would nixon continue to fight? everything for his well-being. but meningitis b progresses quickly and can be fatal, sometimes within 24 hours.
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we are standing by now for president richard milhous nixon, 37th president of the united states. have you got an extra camera in case the lights go out? where did we get it from? is that nbc? get these lights properly? my eyes always you find when you get past 60 that s enough. thanks. in just a moment now the president of the united states will begin his speech, perhaps his last speech from the white house. good evening. we watched it sitting on the floor eating bologna sandwiches and having a sense of unreality, quite frankly. from the discussions i have had with congressional and other leaders i have concluded that because of the watergate matter i might not have the support of the congress that i would consider necessary to back the very difficult decisions and carry out the duties of this office in the way the interest
of the nation would require. i was just awe struck at the whole thing. no gloating. very little sense of self. it was really about the magnificence of what had occurred in terms of the right thing. therefore, i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. vice president ford will be sworn in as president at that hour in this office. our first reaction really was okay, he s not president anymore. he s just a citizen. now we can indict him. honestly, that is what we thought. the morning he resigned i remember i walked down the street and bought a bottle of scotch. earlier today the east room of the white house was the scene of an emotional meeting between the president, his cabinet and the aides who have stayed with him during all of these years of
mr. nixon s tenure in the white house. you have this president who is bitterly resentful of what had happened to him in his political career overlaid with a shakespearean level of paranoia. he was willing to engage in extraordinary acts to preserve his power. all presidents are human beings. i assume they will have faults and flaws. i assume they will make mistakes. i assume that once they are caught in their mistakes because of who they are and the kind of people they are, they will try to cover up those mistakes. i was in the east room of the white house when he made that very bittersweet, very poignant, very maudlin speech with his family gathered around him. i look around here and i see so many in this staff that, you know, i should have been by your offices and shaking hands and would have loved to have talked to you and found out how to run
the world. everybody wants to tell the president what to do. and boy, he needs to be told many times. but i just haven t had the time. he is not looking into the camera. he s kind of staring off and going into this stream of consciousness about his mother, who was a saint. i guess all of you would say this about your mother. my mother was a saint. that s the most honest speech i have ever heard any politician give. and i m standing there, much, much thinner, younger version of myself, crying. we think that when we lose an election, we think when we suffer a defeat, that all has ended. it s really sad, really sad.
i don t think any president has been more wrongly persecuted than nixon, ever. i just i think he was a saint. always remember others may hate you, but those who hate you don t win, unless you hate them. and then you destroy yourself. ultimately, what comes through on the tapes and what comes through in nixon s actions is his hate, his vengeful hate. and in that last farewell he gives that self-revealing line that hate will destroy you. that this piston of hate, this all-encompassing desire to get the opposition to wiretap, to spy, to destroy, to sabotage,
the ugliness of warfare was brought to american politics by richard nixon and the day he resigned he kind of seemed to get it. seemed to say, yeah, i destroyed myself. there were no tanks in the street. there were no armed men around the white house. we had this exceptionally peaceful transition of power in a very traumatic time in our lives. the presidency was secured by the decency of gerald ford and by the extraordinary strength of the constitutional law that defines what the presidency is. there were this relief that somehow the system had worked.
and then in the aftermath, a lot of reforms that were put in place. the media changed. investigative journalism had been an incidental situation pre-watergate. post-watergate it almost becomes a standard. presidents before watergate had been really by most reporters, been given a presumption of innocence. in the aftermath, they re almost presumed guilty. it really dramatically changes the relationship of the news media with the president. the system had worked, including the role of the press but really, the idea that the system had worked in this amazing way, that a criminal president had been forced to leave office, that the principle that nobody in this country is above the law, including the president of the united states.
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wiretapping, destruction of government documents, forgery of document letters, secret slush funds, plans for retaliation, all of this by the law and order administration of richard nixon. sounds bad when you put it like that, huh? in the end, some 40 people pled guilty to watergate related crimes. ho ho . i m trying to figure out when did i cross the line? when did i enter that illegal conspiracy. no question i went across it. there was a real major break down in personal integrity and organizational integrity on those given those assignments. i m not sure where i will be the next few months but i will miss you all. and requires you to ask the
ethical questions. is this right? is it respectful? is it responsible? is it fair? we didn t ask any of those questions. we should have started with, is it legal? we were so caught up in trying to serve the president s needs or desires that we did not ask those questions. i, gerald r. ford, do grant a full, free and absolute pardon unto richard nixon for all offenses against the united states which he president ford s pardon of richard nixon stunned the nation. nixon s legal problems were now over. when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal, by definition. exactly. the former president was still not accepting responsibility. three years after resigning, nixon was paid to participate in an historic interview with the british television journalist, david frost. at the very end, the inevitable
question came up. do you feel you ever obstructed justice or were part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice? he would not he wouldn t really admit anything, not even mistakes or whatever, he was really stonewalling completely. he was beginning to look like the haunted nixon of the actual watergate hearings rather than the californian ex-president. so finally i said, why don t you go further than the word mistake. what word would you express? that was a real gum stopping, gum smacking moment. my goodness. i threw aside my clipboard. i said, i think there are three things you ought to say. the first is that in fact you did go to the very verge of criminality, and secondly, that you let down your oath of office, and, thirdly, i put the
american people through two years of needless agony, and i apologize for that. i know how difficult it is for anyone and most of all you, but i think that people need to hear it and i think unless you say it, you re going to be haunted for the rest of your life. you re wanting me to say that i have participated in an illegal co-op? no. the key to nixon really is his dislocated relationship with truth. if true, the greatest words ever written in journalism, what is the truth? what is the truth? what really happened? you guys are probably pretty tired, right? you should be. go on home, get a nice hot bath, rest up, 15 minutes, and get your asses back in gear.
we re under a lot of pressure, you know, and you put us there. nothing s riding on this except the first amendment of the constitution, freedom of the press and maybe the future of the country. not that any of that matters. arguably, maybe the best movie on reporting made. what i didn t expect was the echo of the movie to last that long. to this day, i keep hearing about it. one thing about watergate, it was going to change the culture of washington. it did no such thing. you know of course this kind of thing will happen again, and it will happen in a much much bigger scale. whether you talk about fdr or whether you talk about nixon or whether you talk about kennedy or whether you talk about clinton, we have presidents that seem to be in politics for the right reason, but presidents that also have a fatal flaw. richard nixon s fatal flaw
brought him down. people in high office tend to not want to lay themselves open to their enemies and acknowledge embarrassing things or mistakes that they have made. they tend to want to lie when they feel like they can get away with it. all those things have been around long before watergate and still are around. it was an age-old story of an abuse of power and forgetting that you re accountable to the people that put you there. there will be more and we ll survive. what pulses through the nixon story is the question why. when he was elected, the good will of the nation and the world, it was his. that s the sadness of the nixon presidency of what could have been. woodward and bernstein are
the most famous journalists of our age. their names will always be associated with the downfall of a president. 40 years later, a moment to ask what the greatest political scandal in modern history means to us. it s an evolutionary tale and we ve evolved. and we re older. bob and i brought very different baggage to the story and it measured. this was when you were 29, 30 years old. you ll never see a story this good again. well, who knows? who knows. who knows. it s a tale to maybe inspire a whole new generation, maybe. a generation now learning about watergate for the very first time.

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Transcripts For DW Made In Germany - Your Business Magazine 20180718 04:30:00


that s the work that s stock work be aggressive. and i need you guys i need your balls i need i need your vision so i do that by. the german luxembourg t.v. series bad banks takes viewers deep into the world of investment banking a fiercely competitive world ripe with power games intrigues and betrayals with a screenplay written by all of a keen let the show features plenty of industry cliches but keenly as investment bankers are number crunchers in striped shirts they re young good looking and driven. didn t write a show about banking but about addiction. he researched his screenplay by talking to both alexis put fuckin himself a former investment banker his first hand experience of the financial crisis served
and have fun. as. i feel. the schemes demand seventy and muscle. as legitimate. business was there for many of them and yet this firdos it s a very male dominated sector. ne eman what you need to find your own way of keeping up with male colleagues or competing with them with them in the. cast is led by a german actress polar bear who plays yon a leaker a brilliant young woman working her way up the career ladder she s unwittingly drawn into a web of intrigue before too long she s putting ambition before ethics. she talks. and i can. do nothing except will be what if after. six.
refers to stop on your show nominate. michael. jackson on tape and i can see him i like to reel. in fear but that is as true. in all of a screenplay the next financial crisis could be just around the corner. in the banking. banking sector is full of people predicting the doomsday scenarios the next in this business you learn to be very confident and they want to put forward a clear standpoint to state your mind. in the beginning you meet people and think oh right we re on the brink of a new crisis if they were two weeks later you meet the same people and they suddenly have a completely different take on what s happening which they just as confident about
banks failed and the global financial system looked at risk of collapsing. governments came to the rescue of banks propping them up with taxpayer money. could such a thing happen again or have lessons been learned. in the european union stricter rules were put in place under the supervision of the european central bank. they require banks to manage risks better than before and ensure they have sufficient liquidity to stay afloat. fent crucially to boost their capital reserves for. to see why this is so important take a look at this very simplified example of a bank s balance sheet on one side is the money the institution has lent if all
goes to plan the bank gets that money back plus interest. these loans have to be backed up by sufficient capital this could comprise deposits such as personal savings accounts or bonds but technically neither belong to the bank after all customers can withdraw their cash anytime they want and when bonds depreciate in value banks write that off. the bank s own capital on the other hand includes things like profits it s previously made so what happens during a financial crisis if companies don t pay back their loans the bank loses capital it eats the last. if the bank has enough capital reserves to remain stable by the way before the financial crisis the reserve ratio of european banks
was only about one point five percent the european central bank s new rules would increase that figure to up to fifteen percent but some critics say it should be twice that. a lot of companies default on their loans the bank stands to make huge losses the bank no longer has enough capital meaning its customers and business partners money cannot be secured and the bank risks going bust. the bigger the bank the bigger the impact its failure has on the whole financial system with banks in the habit of lending each other money one failure could trigger a chain reaction which is what happens when a decade ago. so what can we conclude governments would likely lend big banks a helping hand again if a new financial crisis pushed them to the brink and that would lead taxpayers to pick up the tab. hope it
won t be necessary again geraint anderson made headlines as city boy during the financial crisis that s the title of his bestselling book a no holds barred insider s account of life in the city london s banking district reporting on reckless trading six figure bonuses and cocaine fuelled orgies he left the business in two thousand and eight just when the financial crisis hit all of the correspondence bigot mask went to meet him to talk about responsibility risk and remorse. foot s twelve years he was one of them then he turned against his former colleagues and published a book on green in the city of london. garrett anderson a full utilities analyst with some of europe s biggest banks in this place was populated by gamblers who took big risks who were thinking short and who didn t really care about the consequences their actions. this is one of the many
bases i see come back in the day we have three four hour lunches and maybe there s a bunch of strip joints of about five hundred yards that way cocaine dealer was just over there. it was all very good back in the good old days. but how would you describe your former self the caring and isn t that what here in this environment. is pretty cocky pretty arrogant i was a gambler by nature risk taker overconfident so i was basically a pretty perfect personality for a stock broker and in fact my attitude. as i was then helps explain why the financial crisis happened. the people who invented the financial products that exploded sent the global economy into a tailspin knew they were creating
a little bit late now i had guilt pangs all the time about the industry i was working in from year one to when i finally left after twelve years every year i said this in my last year i m just going to do it for one year and every year that bonus would come i think we re also going to do in my life is going to be even bigger next year will stay so i got trapped so did you sell your soul to the devil and i did sell my soul to the devil so i go very good price. yeah i did i sell myself the devil i would do anything to get that bonus safe in the knowledge that if my actions then later proved to create profits that were not real it didn t matter it was too late i had the money good boy it s mine if somebody was soft because of your actions. i would say that we re all worse off because of the actions of this place of which i was a member i mean we ve all been living in austerity here all real wages. so haven t
even changed for about ten years in the u.k. and so on that basis the casino i was working in and paid up member of help to make sure most people in this country s laws probably slightly less well off than they should be. and that casino the financial markets where satellites trillions were burned and many countries scramble to safe that failing banks to prevent a total collapse some of the. unfolded themselves and one of them was the tiny island nation of iceland relative to the size of its economy iceland s banking collapse was the largest experienced by any country in economic history but just ten years on its economy is among the best performers in europe how is that possible and what can other countries learn from iceland. ten years ago crowds like these would have been unimaginable this country was almost bankrupt so
i know a lot of people that have been. specially my friends to me . the nature here is stunning of course but initially the boom was also fueled by another factor. credit for worthless off the prices. that exports cheap and it was also cheaper for foreign tourists to come to iceland. in the case of iceland exports means fish a lot of fish i thought the crisis was a catastrophe for everyone here but it wasn t for exporters and there are many of them in iceland. suddenly made icelandic products much more affordable for foreigners. like the. fish that sting or malicious on exports he gives me a tour of his factory outside reykjavik. but all got in the small of
a person on their lies. all about first quarter for. company sold in the seafood industry was long gone our company to produce really good time and we were increasing your income may be off the one month of april so. there is no question reykjavik is booming everywhere look this construction banks are being torn down and new infrastructure is going up it was exactly here that ten years ago one of the biggest banks in iceland wanted to put its headquarters right next to the harbor beautifully situated but didn t happen because of the financial crisis and now it s going to be a huge little complex really nice for the tourists. and this corner was home to another top bank iceland did things differently than other countries in crisis it
let its banks go bankrupt all nationalized them also. worked at the biggest icelandic bank called thing when the crisis struck. ok so this has been called the wall street devised at least it was called before the crisis. and a couple of blocks away is where helping was today it s called audio market now she works for a federation of icelandic businesses suddenly the ninety percent of our banking system collapsed and it happened in only a couple of days we were able to build up the banking system from from the ground and today we have a very strong banking system i think nobody could have imagined how how how the recovery with b. and actually looking at these numbers it s unbelievable how fast the recovery has been. but the country s miraculous recovery also has some downside. issues
becoming expensive for too because the fishing trips a constant twenty year. that s one of the reasons tourist numbers are starting to plateau just as hotels are being built everywhere exporters are also being hit by high costs. but despite the speed bumps iceland s recovery remains miraculous i think no other country could have done it a special little island and. of course surprise to. so cause tech helps bring startups from the same sector together under one roof that does not only mean they can share a cafeteria and jim the main objective is for them to collaborate in order to become major players to become more than just the sum of the parts sounds like a good idea but doesn t work our reporter checked out a big new fin tech hub here in berlin. financial technology startups that inspire
one another and end up becoming major players all housed under one roof that s the idea of this hub in. the one place for a lot of like minded people come together and it s much easier for everybody to share their. other and of course you have a lot of people sitting to. each other and. i think. ship more community based relationship. and used to work for the bank of scotland now he works for a digital bank with a banking license a number of fin tech firms here in the harbor his clients today he s on his way to see a new business partner. the company is just forty eight steps away it s
a new digital debt collection company that recently began working for responding. it s manager denish lover says it s a mutually beneficial arrangement of course he could those are the sort of synergies that can form in the hub. echoes of what is the biggest advantage is definitely the proximity you can skip down the stairs and meet a business partner for a coffee that makes things very easy we are very busy days but can use those five minutes to swap notes. done with him. once a month as the so-called luxury lunch to encourage networking lots are drawn to decide who eats with whom then he likes to take part it s a good way of getting to know new people he only started work here six months ago as well as organizing the event the hub operators also pick up the tab. this time denish lover meets employees of a firm that enables you to switch bank accounts online and the company that
develops financial planning software. as a center. this is a very fast moving sector of the whole start up business because many people change their jobs within their companies very quickly but also more universally and it s very interesting to see where people move to and you meet them again in different positions or and so it makes sense to keep in touch with within this framework provide a lot of focus in this normally every one of these believe busy with their own things so it s not have not easy to have that much activity is to meet everyone to get to charleston no different projects come unless you re constantly learning something new in this innovative market. krishna shandra and believes the hub concept has many benefits even competitors what notes but there are unspoken rules . as long as these competence don t try to head over employers.
the hub opened a year ago and now some one thousand people. work here all eight floors are almost completely occupied but will global leaders necessarily follow. as most of them and we need more courage if we re going to catch up here in germany we need to be more ambitious but most of all we need more capital. several million euros were invested in the hub and it s already turning a profit but it hasn t yet made headlines with a big shift in tech idea. the financial crisis of two thousand and eight had another side effect the bankers uniform the suit and tie combination has fallen into disrepute that s why startup entrepreneurs the whole tech world actually has given up on it it seems that jeans and t. shirts have become a cold for modesty and morals but as our following example shows dropping the
classic business dress code is not a guarantee that bad things won t. far too many young men these days by their first suit far too late and even more regrettable is the fact that the reason they don t a suit for the first time is the worst reason imaginable. the reason why those young men buy their first suit is their appearance in legal proceedings of some sort. they re wearing a suit because they ve done something that. i think give you a recent example this young man let s call him mark. got into whole water because he sold some product to some very unsavory people young men and up in court for this kind of thing every day usually the product in
question is a psychoactive substances some source. but in this case the product happens to be the private lives of you me and again till you re not at the. force it was an outcry and poor mark ended up in front of an angry mob of u.s. senators. and mark did what all juvenile delinquents do he put on a suit as a disguise he faked respect what about showing some real respect before things go downhill respect for your company your colleagues your customers your business partners because that s why you wear a suit to show some respect. for here s your lesson don t just put on a suit winning think it sounds respect is something that you need to show every day. and that s it from us for today it got something to
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Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20180731 05:00:00


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that s what rudy giuliani said today. he wasn t arguing about that statement from michael cohen, who is alleging that president trump did know about that meeting before it occurred. rudy giuliani only said that he could state for the record that president trump did not attend that meeting with those russian officials, which is not something that was in question in the first place. it was whether or not president trump knew about it, which is something that his aides and president trump himself have denied for months now, including that president trump said he just found out about it in july of 2017, a year after it happened. and donald trump jr. testified in front of lawmakers that his father did not know about it before. so it would be increasingly problematic. that is the question now, anderson. it is essentially the president s word versus michael cohen s. but the white house does not seem to be at all enthusiastic about taking questions about michael cohen, including president trump today, who has been tweeting about michael cohen. but when he is not in a structured setting where he can control the narrative, he does not seem eager at all to take questions about michael cohen, about whether the special
counsel robert mueller should trust michael cohen or anything related to his former lawyer and fixer at all. has the white house had any response to the claims from giuliani this morning on television, i mean, it s not being his statements are not being coordinated with the white house, are they? no, they re not. and the white house has made that pretty clear ever since the president first hired rudy giuliani to be his lawyer. his statements have been increasingly problematic for the white house spokespeople because of course rudy giuliani will say something on television that contradicts what they have said in the past. you ll think of the stormy daniels payment. and if you ll listen to what it was that rudy giuliani was saying this morning, you can see why the press secretaries are not eager to speak about it. here s a little bit of what rudy giuliani said today. which i don t even know that s a crime, colluding about russians. okay. you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. that certainly is the original problem, yes. the president didn t hack. of course not. he didn t pay them for
hacking. reporter: so, you see there, rudy giuliani seems to be shifting the goalpost here and the defense of what the white house has said for months. there was no collusion. right. reporter: then rudy giuliani goes on television. he says collusion s not a crime. it raises all of these questions for the white house, and so far their tactic for dealing with what rudy giuliani says on tv has been to refer questions back to rudy giuliani. anderson? kaitlan, thanks very much. perspective now from someone who had a view for a time inside the campaign. someone who has already talked to robert mueller s people about it. joining us is former trump campaign aide sam nunberg. great to have you back on. thank you. this the trump tower meeting, is it possible, in your mind, that donald trump jr. or someone, paul manafort or kushner, would not have told donald trump, either in advance or after this meeting, that it had occurred? in the totality, during the campaign, i would assume perhaps donald trump knew about this meeting. but if we re getting to the specifics here about whether donald trump and don jr. are
telling the truth against now michael cohen, i believe donald trump and don jr. and let me also say for one quick reason, and you ll understand this once we get into the weeds. remember, goldstone, who works for the agalarov family, he sent that e-mail directly to don jr. if you look at the e-mails, it was never forwarded to rhona graff, then donald trump s executive assistant, but essentially like his chief of staff. right. there was, however, a blocked number call made by donald trump jr., both, i think, before and after the meeting, the candidate, mr. trump at the tell graphed that there s going to be some big revelation coming out about hillary clinton regarding russia that he never followed through on after the meeting took place. it just seems to me that if you re donald trump jr. and you get this e-mail informing you
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what do you see as his bias? are you talking about no bias, here s what i see. giuliani s raising this spectre of he s inherent lly biassed. he should recuse himself because of some conflict. i don t think it s a conflict between donald trump and robert mueller on the golf course. that s a side issue. my issue is that we have 325 million people in this country, and i think we have a lot of lawyers in this country. i understand why you would want to get the former fbi director in general, objectively be the special counsel when you re investigating the president of the united states. but robert mueller s argument on obstruction, he s using james comey. if you hook at tlook at the stu, in the new york times, the questions that involve michael flynn s firing. you look at all of them. they re all interrelated to
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investigation. the iran-contra investigation. i agree from that point. but we should get some kind of idea let s say, so we know why, why give up information about an ongoing investigation? about preliminary findings, about whether or not the trump campaign had some kind of coordination with the e-mails, and putin did the hacking. i would like to see where this is going, because what we don t know is what is going on. you have people in this country, americans, and they ll say robert mueller is ultimately going to get donald trump impeached. you have other people who say donald trump didn t do anything. mueller this, mueller that. do you know any investigation in which they give out preliminary stuff in. in is an ahistoric investigation. you have investigative reasons, it doesn t, for political reasons because you re talking about the investigation in terms of court. the criminal, the criminal part and these indictments. i m talking about the political.
and this is political. they re building a narrative. this is political. and at the end of the day, 90 days from today, this is essentially donald trump s reelect, because he will be impeached by larry nadler if nancy pelosi is speaker. want to welcome steve cortez and rich lowry. do you think there s a scenario in which donald trump jr. didn t tell his father about this trump tower meeting ahead of time? i this i i think we need to focus on rudy giuliani, why did he go into a panic. they ve all denied up and down that donald trump had knowledge about it. now michael cohen is saying he can place it there. this is a problem for don jr. he has testified to the nsenate committee four times that he did
not tell his father about the meeting. that s a perjury problem. i took note this giuliani placed rick gates at those meetings. his name came up in the conversation. why is that important? because rick gates is already a cooperating witness with the mueller investigation. he pled guilty to charges in early february. if he can corroborate what cohen says you have two people against the multiple denials that team trump is giving, that is a huge problem for don jr. when i see a problem, i mean the way giuliani framed this today. i have tremendous admiration. i think he was the best mayor in american history. do you think s doing his client any favors? i don t know what he s doing. he had me thoroughly confused. when he was talking about collusion, is it a crime or not, he was almost like a law
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politics. that is what you see when you see rudy giuliani on tv. he is proving to be an awful lawyer. that is what we are seeing. collusion is not a crime. that s a fact. as a democrat, as a lawyer, i can tell you that collusion is not a crime. but mail fraud is, bank fraud, wire fraud, obstruction, perjury. the list goes on and on and on. conspiracy. all of these things. the e-mails that were received by the trump campaign, the federal election commission views those at least of having a modicum of value. if you usurp those federal election laws you ve krcommittea crime. they re doing a really good job muddying the water. but there are the issues for criminality that donald trump jr. needs to be worried about, jared kushner needs to be worried about.
i remember one famous quote, we should not have a president who is under federal investigation. you have a president and his family under federal investigation. and you heard that they can t control what giuliani said, is that a problem? if were you coordinating with giuliani, you d have to worry about the judgment of the white house press team. he s wild, undisciplined, but he is not out there to make a classical legal case for the president. he is a public advocate. his job is to throw haymakers every day. we might gawk, scratch our heads and snicker, but s succeeding. the key metric as vacari and others have said is political. are robert mueller s numbers going up or going down? they re going down. and this is the first stage of a potential impeachment fight. president trump s not going to be indicted. he s not going to be tried. if it goes further, it s going
to be a political question about impeachment fought out in congress. it s been political from the very beginning. if it were criminal, a crime is committed and an investigation commences. that s not true. no, the crime that was committed. [ talking simultaneously ] one at a time. i m talking. their is is an investigation search of a crime. that s not true. yes it , it is true. the crime was that information was stolen from the clinton campaign. the question is did members of the trump campaign knowingly solicit that information for use in an election, and if that is true, that triggers all kinds of crimes. we re acting like this is something the russians did. no, that is stolen information. it s like if someone stole a car and you decided to take it for a joyride and said oh, i didn t know it was stolen. you can t do that. the fbi or justice department would be more than empowered to
investigate that. we don t need a special counsel t . may be an obstruction of justice case. no. [ talking simultaneously ] twilight zone. this whole talking point about this not be being a valid investigation, this being a witch hunt, let s talk about all the people indicted and ask where is the crime committed, let s talk about the people who pled guilty. let s talk about them. all russians and paul manafort. and rick gates. i was with paul manafort backstage at the rnc because he ran your convention. he was your campaign manager. this isn t somebody. right. [ talking simultaneously ] this wasn t the driver. papadopoulos. pled guilty. you have, let me give you facts because you re in hyperbole land. you have 13 russian nationals
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op goi ongoing attacks on robert mueller. over the weekend he tweeted, is robert mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to president trump. the president now saying that mueller has conflicts of interest. giuliani was pressed on those conflicts and wouldn t elaborate. i assume he s talking about this golf membership stuff. joil sa giuliani said i have a good idea what it is, it seems like it has gone to a ten in just a matter of days. they re using every means fair or foul, to undermine the prosecutor, which is what happens in many highly-politically-charged cases. i have known any president, except for maybe george w. bush
who hasn t tried to undermine the prosecutor. this is typical politics. take it up to a 11. that s the number donald trump is comfortable with on everything. but this is a version of what bill clinton did against ken starr and george h.w. bush s team did it on iran contra. it s typical washington politics but the volume and intensity is higher than usual. the bottom line, the president himself still hasn t answered questions about the cohen tape, why the trump campaign lied about it, the knowledge of the deal with ami and karen mcdougal, his response to the reporting that he knew about the trump tower meeting in advance. shouldn t he answer those questions himself in. i do. you mentioned the ami deal. i agree with what amanda said before the break, of course
hacking into citizens, dnc, those things should be investigated. but he s looking into things from ten years ago. are we saying karen mcdougal hacked the dnc? it s an open-ended investigation into donald trump s life to try to find something, why? to try to nullify our 2016 victory and delegitimize the president because his enemies in media and on the hill and even within his own justice department have been hell bent since the day he won to delegitimize. questioning people s motives, what they think about trump is not astound political or legal defense. in addition to him saying collusion is not a crime, he oddly said trump was not physically present at the trump tower meeting. and to me, that may be a way
that giuliani was trying to draw a very fine line that trump may walk. i think that warrants more followup in what giuliani meant by saying he was not physical think present. there s no indication that it was anything other than the nothing burger. the white whale as you referred to before the break is some kind of conspiracy with the russians to commit a crime and hack these e-mails. so far we have zero, zero evidence ever that. very suspicious in which trump said not only that. the speech about hillary clinton. [ speaking simultaneously [ as many ] one at a time, one at a time. the timing is suspicious. is he openly sending signals to russians with his speeches? he asked the russians to hack her e-mails. just quote him.
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assistant u.s. attorney. after landing a job as president ronald ragen s association attorney general, he was ranked third at the don t epartment of justice. at 39 he was appointed u.s. attorney for new york. he famously prosecuted wall street s iben boesky. he took credit for making manhattan safe again. then came 9/11. all we know is that two airplanes struck two towers of the world trade center. reporter: he was the picture of calm and strength, quickly becoming america s mayor. time magazine named him person of the year. he failed in his own 2008 presidential bid. but in 2016, he was back on the
campaign trail, playing surrogate to donald trump. and he will be the leader of the change we need. reporter: but this was not the same rudy giuliani. he s always been aggressive and unapologetic. but he was peddling outlandish conspiracy theories. in one he was saying hillary clinton had some mysterious illness. he mocked clinton s leadership skills, too, with this disturbing display. he didn t look like hillary clinton with one of those long answers. reporter: what happened to the old rudy? it was such a head scratcher it prompted this politico headline. is rudy giuliani losing his mind? at one point on the trail he even seemed to forget who attacked the u.s. on 9/11. under those eight years before obama came along, we didn t have any successful
radical islamic terrorist attack in the united states, they all started when clinton and obama got into office. reporter: and later after beyonce paid tribute to black lives matter at a concert. i ran the largest and best police department in the world and saved more black lives than any of those people you saw on stage. reporter: whatever s behind this bizarre transformation, it seems to be just what donald trump wants. vote for donald trump for a safer america and for an america headed in a different direction. reporter: randi kaye, cnn, new york. for more on rudy s transformation, we want to bring in dana bash. how different is rudy giuliani now from the prosecutor in new york? his persona couldn t be any
more different. he was america s mayor, time person of the year, the most beloved by the most liberal of democrats around the country and the most conservative of republicans. and since he joined the trump world, politically speaking, it s been very different. but i think we ve become more used to seeing rudy giuliani in the sort of vein of donald trump as the ultimate protector, the ultimate loyalist, the ultimate defender. he was pretty much the only guy who would go out and say anything good about donald trump after the access hollywood tape came out at the end of the 2016 campaign. that tells you a lot. i was talking to maggie haberman. she was making a pioint that th people who get around donald trump take on his personality. do you think that s what rudy giuliani has done?
maybe. he is not just a casual friend or acquaintance who just met donald trump. they they ve known each other quite well for decades. if you think about the fact that giuliani s children, particularly his son andrew, is someone who got to know donald trump as a young kid and now andrew is working in the donald trump white house and actually gets along in a very personal way with the now president kind of explains a lot and tells you a lot. and yeah, rudy giuliani has kind of become a trump whisperer. he has kind of rare latitude to go out and say things that he believes that the president will be okay with. a lot of times he objectiokays conversations that he has with reporters or interviews that he does. but sometimes my sense in talking to him, he doesn t have to get that specific because he knows what the president wants,
and what the president wants right now is what giuliani s doing, and that is an attack dog. that is no holds barred. he wanted to change direction, take the gloves off with how he approached the mueller investigation and robert mueller himself, and that s what he s got. dana bash. thanks. thank you. coming up, the president threatens a government shutdown if he doesn t get what he wants on immigration. we ll hear from someone who worked at the white house until just ten days ago. let your perfect drive come together at the lincoln summer invitation sales event. get 0% apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus $1,000 bonus cash.
the president s repeating the threat that he d be willing to shut down the government if he doesn t get the wall he wants or the fndiunding for the wall other things on his immigration wish list. he said this today. if we don t get border security after many, many years of talk within the united states, i would have no problem doing a shutdown. it s time we had proper border security. we re the laughingstock of the world. joining me now, cnn s newest political commentator, mark short who left the white house less than two weeks ago. good to have you here. thanks for having me. how likely you think it is that there would actually be a shutdown? because right now, the shutdown, unless there s a new spending bill, would be before the midterm. right.
so i think in august the senate s going to stay in session and complete more of the appropriations bills but unlikely to finish all of them. it s been 22 years since congress completed appropriations bills on time. we re likely to face another continuing resolution in september. at that point it had giwill giv more time. last year the president signed an omnibus. this year he s indicated he wouldn t. i doesn t want another $1.3 trillion spending bill plopped on his desk. but the likelihood of having it is unlike laly. it s not just the president. it s something democrats supported in 2006 with the secure fence act. it s become more politicized now. if you look at the plan the president s put forward, in some cases these are fences that are see-through, some cases it s
walls, but it s what they say they need to secure the border. it s become a much more politicized issue when there are career professionals who say this is what we need. it s politicized because democrats view if they vote for it it s giving a victory to trump. they also want a larger deal on the immigration issue and see this as a bigger way to negotiate. you worked so much when you were at the white house with congress. at a certain point, there are a lot of republicans on capitol hill who just ignore the president s tweets or statements and plan accordingly to what they think should be done. do you see that happening? very quickly, you had mcconnell coming out saying look, there s not going to be a shutdown essentially. i think mcconnell s had a meeting with the president this week. i think he s on pretty safe ground giving that direction. but i d say the biggest changesa when we started in the white
house, i used to get calls from members of congress, mark, it s exciting, we re here, we have control of the senate, the white house, can you get the president to turn off his phone? and now we get members of congress saying hey, mark, can we get the president to tweet this. we have members calling and soliciting tweets on their behalf from the president of the united states. that s not saying that they love what he tweets out. he tweeted out that there s no longer a threat from north korea. now we hear that they are moving forward on weapons. i think the president s pretty clear-eyed on what s happening in north korea. he s got a great national security team in pompeo and mattis. bolton. but on the tweeting, he found a way to make sure he could communicate with the american people directly, and i think it s been an effective tool for
him. there was an article in politico, the one-year anniversary of john kelly taking over. the article was how he became chief in name only. has he been marginalized? i don t think it s fair. i think it s hard to find anyone who has sacrificed more for this country, not just personally but his family. i think that he has helped provide a lot of order to the white house that was missing prior to john kelly s arrival. that s certainly true. he s certainly seemed to get people in their lanes more, had less people going in and out of the oval office. does he still maintain the same level of oversight and power you think that he had eight months ago? i think general kelly is revered in the white house. the president wants to be very much involved and he s not going to delegate everything to a
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again. it looked like an atomic bomb after the fact. we got a few pictures after the fact. reporter: for this family their worst fears realized. they lost everything. there are now scattered reports of looting in those abandoned areas. on the fire lines 17 helicopters, 300 engines and over 3,000 personnel continue to fight for control of this inferno. nick watt joins us from redding. incredible, nick, it doubled in size overnight and over the weekend. wildfires seem to be more and more common now. reporter: they do. listen, right now we have about 90 wildfires burning across this country around a million acres scorched. of the 12 biggest wildfires ever in california since records began, seven of them have happened since just 2015. now, the california drought probably had something to do
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interviewed them. he has dozens of white house officials and firsthand sources who have been in these meetings with donald trump. they all spoke to him. they were all recorded. every interview was recorded, but don t make a mistake by that. they re not on the record. these are deep background. this is not a back of one deep throat. this is a book of dozens of deep throats, and they discussed everything from sort of explosive debates in the white house to really it s described as harrowing. is it a fear he found in the white house? i mean, i guess we don t know the answer. we will hear, but what we re it was not just interviews. these sources gave him
documents. he got memos. notes. files. diaries. notes i m told in donald trump s own hand. so i m told it s very authoritative and very well documented. are some of the notes classified? do you know? we don t know yet, but this is what i would say. in the past people have given bob woodward classified documents. i wouldn t be surprised if some of these were classified. do we know that the fear stems from? it s actually a donald trump quote. the last time bob woodward interviewed him was in march, 2016. donald trump said real power is i don t even want to use the word, fear. and that s where it comes from. that s often leaders, you know, do they want to be loved or feared? do they want to be respected?

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translate in november? interesting. for example, don, another thing i d say about that is especially in goobvernor s race. i think the voters want a degree of independence from the white house and president. when you hug that tightly, it s hard to get that separation. i want to play this because we were talking about how much some of the candidates are hugging the president. this is the most recent campaign add in florida. everyone knows my husband ron is endorsed by president trump. but he s also an amazing dad. ron loves playing with the kids. build a wall. he reads stories. then mr. trump said you re fired. i love that part. he s teaching madison to talk. make america great again. people say ron is all trump, but he is so much more. big league. so good. i just thought you should know. ron desantis for governor.
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profile losses. the there a lesson for democrats? i think democrats have to keep the attention on trump nationally. that energizes the base. that s the negative that s the anecdote to the trump fear. but they also in these in the congressional races have to talk about the issues. and i think the real measure of this is not what we talk about every day and what you see on the national news. it s what s in their adds. and in their ads you see much more about health care. you see much more about wage stagnation. you re talking about the tariffs. real issues. so i think they have to do both. the democrats will face a fundamental question about where the party is going the day after the midterms as we look to 2020. this campaign, this for the midterms, it s about doing both those things. making it about trump to energize the base but also appealing to the people in the middle, particularly talking about health care. so mark meanwhile the
president continues to show disregard truth. let s talk more about that. first, i want to play this. this is what he claimed at his rally tonight. u.s. steel just announced they re building six new steel mills. and that number is soon going to be lifted but i m not allowed to say that so i won t. and i m very proud to report that new core is going to build a brand new 240 million steel mill. that s a big one right here in florida. so that we fact checked that, and found that u.s. steel is required to announce any major changes such as opening new plants and as of tonight they have made no such announcements. also he mentioned when he s on the road he said this is the largest tax cut in history. analysis committee responsible for federal budget found that
trump s tax cut is the eighth largest since 1918. he talks about gdp. he s not right about that and jobs and all that. there are some positive things but it s certainly not what he makes it out to be. what is going on here? well, i mean, the unfortunate thing is there is a lot of good news about the economy that he doesn t have to fabricate all these other statements about. so if the earlier statement i said is true that 91% of his base get the truth from donald trump, when you do any fact checking on any of his speeches the standard amount of information imparted that is false by a broad cross section of fact checkers is 75% of what he says is not true at the rallies. so that s a lot of people getting a lot of bad information and we wonder why we have a problem about what s true and what s not. i also want to show you guys this video. watch this.
so this is from a rally tonight of trump supporters screaming to jim acosta, calling him a liar and trader. the president and his son retweeting a video of chanting cnn sucks. what is going on at the rallies and why would the president and his son want to be part of that. there was eve an baby that had a button with a baby that said cnn sucks and they were holding it up smiling. what it appeals to his base. all those people get riled up because there is this sort of phony conspiracy out there that the elites are out to get them and the media is part of the elites. it s not true. and really, it s un-american. i mean, we have mark will, i m sure agree with this. every president thinks the press is out to get them. no president thinks they get a
fair shake. but no one has ever done this. even richard nixon wasn t this bad, and something terrible is going to happen, and it s going to be trump s fault, because he is the one spoking this up stoking this up. jim acosta said even after that people come up to him and say can i get my picture with you? a lot of it is all about celebrity. it s not just un-american. it truly is dangerous. and this is why the new york times publisher just met with donald trump to say his real fear is the notion that you re portraying the press as an enemy of the people. if donald trump has really fanatic supporters, and if donald trump and his son are retweeting this kind of rage against jim acosta and others and at cnn, then you can see how somebody fanatic, if they think
this is truly an enemy of the people, an enemy 0of the president and a traitor, there could be some consequences and action that somebody is going to regret going forward. how do we get to the lowest common denominator? i mean, we are there, the lowest common denominator that s appealing to the country? it s donald trump s strategy. it s looking at people who feel grievances and it s playing upon their fears. it s a big part of the new republican coalition is are people who have been hurt by globalization where the economy has moved past them and they feel like they ve gotten taken advantage of. he plays them. he didn t serve them with his policies but his strategy from the first day of his campaign he uses them. he uses them. and the strategy of the first campaign was to do this. in some ways it got him elected president. it continues to keep his base
happy, and energized. but it s sure not helping him govern in any way. no. it s terrible for his base. it s terrible for the country. we re in a very sad place right now. i wish i could say i m optimistic, but i m not hearing the stories. when we come back, paul manafort s trial began today with the defense saying that they plan to pin all the crimes manafort s been accused of on rick gates. could that work? of our new unlimited wireless plans. it comes with a ton of entertainment options. great, can you sign for this? yeah. hey, uh.. what s in that one? that s a shark. new and only with at&t, you can get unlimited data, 30+ channels of live tv, and your choice of things like hbo or amazon music. more for your thing. that s our thing. visit att dot com.
doesn t that undermine the defense that manafort was duped? no? well, don, it could. it depend on what happens from this point forward in the trial. how will the defense lawyers cross examine this witness? will they try to showman foert may have been the top guy but he wasn t involved in the financial transactions, the paperwork and that he left it to gates who tried to cheat him and doctored some of the documents and was the one that committed the fraud? obviously that s what the defense lawyers told the jury that they re going to try to prove during this trial. it really depends on how the defense lawyers cross examine the government witnesses. prosecutors brought in manafort s spending habits in their opening statement including him buying $15,000 jacket made out of ostrich. what do you think the point of $20,000 watch and a number of houses, highlighting his lavish
lifestyle, what s the strategy? i think it s to make the jury feel that this is somebody who is not like us. the prosecutors, the government always wants to have defendant as somebody who is not personally appealing to the jury. so in a money case like this where you know the defendant made a lot of money and allegedly didn t pay his taxes, you want the jury to think he s not like one of us. don t feel sorry or empathize with him. they want to immediately set the defendant off in another place and remove him in any possible sympathy or connection that he might have with the jury. you re an average working person. you re playing by the rules and paying your taxes. it s tough to make ends meet. this guy is making all the money and doesn t play the rules and he s not paying his taxes. is that what you re saying? i am, but they can overdo it. in some cases the government spends so much time talking about how much money the guy made that the jury will start to say okay, he made a lot of
money, but he worked hard. where s the meat? where s the crime he committed? i think it s important to lay it out in opening statements to try to make him appear above us all. this was a rich guy who lives a different lifestyle, but then they have to turn back to the evidence. i think they did that today with witness number one. so two things here, laura. first, you agree that they can overplay their hand? even the judge pointed out during the opening statement, derailed the prosecutor s main argument by saying it s not a crime to spend your money frivolously. reminding the jury that s not the issue. they have to tie it to money laundering or it s not that he worked hard it s that there s no other way to get the money besides nefarious means. pressure for a guilty verdict? a lot of pressure. it s not the direct tie to collusion. they can t even talk about trump, collusion, and
that s correct. you can t do that. but everyone assumes you re going to lead with your trump. you re going to do your strongest case that ties to your directive that you had under rosenstein. there s a lot of pressure from mueller s team to be successful, especially on a document-based case, but it s important at this juncture they abide by the terms of this judge, because if they do not have success in the trial, the second trial coming up may be all for not and going forward it will be a harder battle to prove to congress and the court of public opinion that they have something. we ve been told the president officials told cnn the president has been following this manafort trial closely all day. what s the danger for him? well, i think maybe he s concerned about two things. one is something s going to come out at this trial that negatively reflects on him, either his campaign, his connections to russia, his children, his family, something may come out during the
testimony that makes him look bad. he had no control over that. i m sure that frustrates him and the white house. this trial will be controlled by the judge. what come out during the testimony, he s a participant as far as a websiitness, but he ca control what s said. the other thing is maybe something happens during the trial. manafort says look, we need to strike a deal. let s talk. i know i didn t want to plea guilty early but now i ve seen the evidence. trump is not coming to my rescue. i m not getting a phone call about a pardon, maybe i can enter a plea and a new development occurs that changes the course of the investigation relating to trump. i appreciate it. but before we go, the answer in the form of a question. who does alex trebek want to take over for him? none other than who is laura coats? he tweeted that. he said it in an interview. i couldn t believe it. i mean, you could have picked me
up off the floor. he did it in an interview? yes. for me, it was always jeopardy is either alex with a mus tach. i m honored by it. that s jeopardy, but this is cnn. thank you. thank you both. i appreciate it. when we come back, a ice official describing detention officials as summer camp today. this isn t the only thing that s had people angry about the hearing on capitol hill.
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a top official with imdwramigra and customs enforcement saying this about family residential centers where parents and children are held. the best way to describe them is to be more like a summer camp. these individual have access to 24 /7 food and water. they have educational opportunities. they have recreational opportunities both structured as well as unstructured. there s basketball courts. there s exercise classes. there s soccer fields that we put in there. but no parents. so i m going to bring in maria cardona and steve cortez. maria you heard that from the head of enforcement and removal for immigration and customs characterizing the centers at summer camps. yeah. nothing less than disgusting. clearly ice, i guess now or especially the head of it which is even worse is getting their talking points from fox news, because we heard this earlier when this policy first started
and when kids were being ripped from the arms of their mothers and getting put in these detention centers, the child prisons from laura ingram who said that it was like summer camp. i would invite others to send their kids to the summer camp if he does believe that. put his money where his mouth is. it s absolutely ridiculous. it clearly is indicative of what they know has been a debacle of a policy, has been a horrific evil policy, has been something that they know they are going to pay for politically at the ballot box in november, and they re trying to paint the best picture from something that actually is completely horrible and un-american. he s not the first person. i mean, that was as he is speaking or testifying in front, you know, of lawmakers, but other people have qualified it or classified it that way, steve. i mean, what did you think of his statements? summer camp? no.
listen, i think he phrased it poorly. he should have said we re trying to create a facility that s like a camp, but to call it summer camp, that evokes happy memories and somebody sent there for great reasons. and the children are the victims. i have nothing but empathy for these children. they are the victims. though, primarily of their parents who made a terrible decision of breaking and entering into our country. they were not breaking and entering. well, they re not legal. that means breaking and entering. they are desperately looking for asylum because they were under the threat of death. i m glad you mentioned that, because if you look at a map, maria, it s a very long way from central america all the way through mexico to the united states. over that s how desperate these families are, steve. hold on. if they re that desperate, then the first time they got to an open democracy, mexico, why didn t they ask for asylum there. they may have. they wanted to come to the united states. i don t blame them for wanting
to come here. i m glad my father came here and millions of people from all over the world come here legally. and we have a right as a country to determine who best-serves the interests and security of america. that s not accident phobic or racist. those who decide to do it their own way and break and enter into the united states can i ask you one quick question, steve, what does this have to do with separating parents and children? well, again, if you break and into enter into my house and bring your children, you ll be separated from their children. that s awful. they didn t do it. it s not their decision. but if you break into someone s house, it s a felony. right? if you cross the border, undocumented, is that a felony? it s a civil penalty. not the first but the second. and for many of them it s multiple times. why would you classify it as breaking and entering, then? because if you go somewhere without permission, i
don t know how much i have to explain this. if i were what did they break? breaking and entering assumes you broke down a door or a window to get into someone s house. and that you have malice to do it. if i run past the guards at any office building basically in america, i will quickly be apprehended. that s breaking and entering. why should our country what if you surrender and beg for help because you and your family are under the threat of death? what then? once again maria, why or are you asking for asylum, which is legal to anybody who feels under the threat of death in this country? and we have a heart for asylum in this country. you don t. the president doesn t. once again why do they go 1500 miles for the asylum. here s what happens. we get sidetracked. wh what is the definition of this?
you get sidetracked. let s get back to the subject about what happened today on the hill. this is hhs commander jonathan white testifying today he expressed concerns to the administration that separating children from their parents was a bad thing. watch this. during the deliberative process over the previos year we raised a number of of concerns in the program about any policy which would result in family separation due to concerns we had about the best interest of the child as well as about whether that would be operational supportable with the bed capacity we have. there s no question. there s no question that separation of children from parents entails significant potential for traumatic psychological injury to the child. so the fact that he warned the administration, warned the administration officials about a policy that would result in pain and suffering to children but clearly he was ignored, what does that tell you? that tells me this was not a
knee jerk reaction. this was a well-thought out policy that was focussed on d discriminating and raining terror on the families who were just trying to give their children a better life. but it also indicates something even more insidious, don. this was the worst mix of incompetence, of immorality, of carelessness, cluelessness and callousness that i think comes from a very real strain within trump and his administration that is racist, that is bigoted, and that is focussed on implementing policies that are discriminatory, and that is what we are seeing. listen we lost a lot of time back and forth there when we got off track. but steve, can you answer this for me quickly? white also testified that he was told that family separation was not the official policy, but we all witnessed what happened.
members of the administration describing the separation as a deterrent. look, family separation i don t know what went on within dhs. family separation clearly is traumatic. by the way the best way to deter this long term is to build a wall. if we don t have a porous board ena er and we have only guarded points of entry, that prevents a lot of human misery at the border. open borders are not humanitarian. they re the opposite. we don t have open borders, steve. well, we have effectively open borders. no. and to your point that it s allegedly racist, what s racist is allowing people to pour in and compete in the job market. i would argue that s a soft racism we ve stolerated for decades. it would be so much easier to have discussion with somebody who knows the facts or respects
the truth. people are not pouring in. this border has not been porous and open. the numbers actually do not support what you are saying. within then how do we have 10 to 15 million illegals in the country. the numbers have been going down. there are actually net immigration to this country is negative. there are more people going out that s not true. mexico it is. that s not true in general. got to go. this policy is based on complete and total lies. we ll continue this discussion. thank you all. thank you both. i appreciate your time. thank you. when we come back jeff sessions announcing a group protecting religious groups from persecution, but who is the task force really going to protect?
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civil rights groups are slamming the new rjts liberty task force. jeff sessions says the goal is to protect religious groups from prosecution. his critics argue it s more about discriminating against others. let s discuss this with our panel. amy, we haven t seen you in a while. welcome back. dean as well, we haven t seen you. good to be here. charles critics say the task force is allowing diskrcriminatn against the lgbt community. this is jeff sessions. number two, it was almost a year to the day that jeff sessions
also the new york times reported he was going to direct the civil rights division of the justice department to look into protecting the rights of white kids to get into school who they said were being discriminated against to such a degree that it required the justice department to jump in. that was kind of looking at kind of white supremacy. and this is kind of looking at what they call christian nationalism. not only believing the country was founded as a christian country but believing it should be governed as a christian country. to that degree, people who are lgbt are cut out. it s not about their liberties. it s substituting their liberty s for these people s saying they cannot co-exist, and that is not american. amy, i heard you grown under your voice. i just want before you respond to play this. this is jeff sessions explaining why this task force was created.
watch this. a dangerous movement undetected by many, but real, is now challenging and eroding our great tradition, our religious freedom. there can be no doubt, it s no little matter. it must be confronted intellectually and defeated. what is the movement challenging our religious fre freed freedom? i m not sure what he s talking about, the dangerous movement unless he s talking about the effort to go out and suppress people that are christians and want to live by their faith. look, at the end of the day i think this is to protect all americans. all of us have the right to religious freedom and liberty, and i think that s what this is about, protecting our first amendment rights, and that s why they re doing this. we are a nation that was founded because people came here to
break away from the church of england because they were being religiously persecuted there. they didn t want to conform. they came to the united states of america. we have all reasonings from all over the world come here and migrate to the country and they have a right to do that. i think we all should step back and not get too wound up about this and let s see where we go from here. i do not think that it is to persecute anyone, and i certainly don t think i have a time issue here, i have to let everybody get in. amy says it s to protect the religious freedom of all religions. right? do you feel that way as a muslim? no. i don t think i think donald trump is i m wondering if a muslim, someone went into a business and someone said it s against my religion to serve an american or woman or man or black person or christian, what would happen? that s not based in mislisla.
secondly, donald trump is the anti-muslim bigot and chief. he campaigned on the shutdown of muslims. those words have had consequences for my community. we ve seen attacks on mosques from california to new jersey. you think this is to protect the religious freedom of prioritizing the christian group? check this out. this is a break down of religions in the u.s. christians are 70%. evangelicals of 25% of that. donald trump said when he had his first muslim ban about prioritizing christian refugees over muslim refugees. he does not make muslim americans feel like part of this country. are the far right christians being persecuted? i m down with religious liberty but not as using it as a basis
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exclusive. so, to go out no one said that, amy. i have to correct you. no one said that. you said they re targeting the community is being that s what critics said. okay, well, i don t think that that s the case. this is the thing, don, is that we are in such an environment where everybody wants to divide us, by sex, race, religion, whatever, and at the end of the day, the president is focused on americans. and our religious freedom is about our first amendment right. people came here to this country for that reason. and we should all be able to practice the religion we want out being persecuted for it. okay. and that doesn t matter what religion you are. i ve got to get other people in here. sessions said that this task force would promote cases like the colorado baker who refused to a same sex couple a wedding cake, challenged the state s anti-discrimination law, before the supreme court. i just keep wondering, who is
the actual i can t figure this out, because, and to say that it doesn t have anything to do with discriminating against gay people, officials from the legal advocacy group that represented the colorado baker attended sessions event, and the alliance defending freedom is a group that has supported the recriminalization of h o homosexuality in the u.s., linked homosexually to pedophilia and claims that a homosexual agenda will destroy christianity and society. this is the thing that whole thing is it is the misguided supposition that you can be converted, you can be seduced, that straight people can be seduced into being gay people and once they have one gay encounter, then it s the theory of the vampire bite. once you had one encounter, it s
a rap for you, right? but if you are a gay person and as amy says, you are religious and you believe in god, wouldn t the highest, one of the things that you would want to achieve is to get married in a church? well, sure. and have your marriage i m just saying, or have your marriage recognized by a baker where you can have a cake made. but you know your gayness is not contagious. that s the problem with all of that philosophy, which is that it believes that this is contagious, and it is not. if you do not like penis, there is no one on this planet that can make you like penis. and the same thing goes for vagina. that s just the truth. that s the clinical term for it, and go on. in 2018, the idea of religious liberty should not be telling a same sex couple get out of my bakery because i don t serve your type here. don t forget, religion was used to defend segregation.
it was cited by the trial judge, the bible says blacks and whites shouldn t get married. we re seeing this right now. and i call it christian sharia law, it angered the right, but i hope it gets their attention. okay that s not true. that s not true. the far right does. to be continued. amy, thank you. thank you, dean. charles. never disappoints. charles oh, my gosh. our coverage tonights. and a is the best way to keep in touch. or keep tabs on their extra curricular activities. he skipped orientation for the beach? he takes after me. you know it s true. oh yeah. join t-mobile and get an iphone for everyone in the family. buy an iphone 8, get an iphone 8, on us. only at t-mobile.
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opinion, it s ridiculous the corruption and dishonesty with the witch hunt, the president has watched this process play out but he also wants to see it come to an end as he stated many times. we look forward to that happening. dana: i understand why she would want to answer it that way, last week we found out that mueller s team is looking at the president s tweets to see if there was a pattern of obstruction. this is just his opinion, just fighting back, it s not obstruction. amazing when you have the white house under siege like this one, much as with the nixon white house or the clinton white house, the way in which the team there comes to reflect the attitude, the language, the perspective of the boss. and you can hear it there, and the loaded words and the hard language. this is a white house under siege and this is an administration that is ready to fight, fight, fight. the problem for trump is the same as it is with, you know, all of that stuff about they re
going to impeach rod rosenstein and that business. it comes down to this, trump can act 450eshgs has constitutionally appropriate he can act. he has constitutionally appropriate remedies that he can do. he could order the documents to be released. he could discharge rod rosenstein. he would intervene yet he doesn t. this is the predicament. if he acts then he creates a constitutional crisis and loses republicans in the senate who say you ve gone too far. but he wants to talk about it and rally his fwas. dana: they also made a decision, the president decided he is not going to throw paul manafort under the bus. paul manafort isn t being charged here or tried on charges of collusion or anything to do with the campaign. this is separate and apart. what he s charged with, are the very things that president trump campaigned on, saying he would drain the swamp from.
he can t let paul manafort twist in the wind y worry about him? this is outside and apart from the campaign, why? we don t know what donald trump knows that paul manafort knows. this is the wilderness of mirrors situation. what you see may not be so. and this also goes for his former fixer, cohen, and bunch of other people in his orbit. we don t know what they know or what he thinks they know. for manafort this a logical gambit. he s richer than he made $60 million off the oligarchs. dana: don t say that, you will be struck from the courtroom. he s old and he s rich. for him it makes sense. take it to trial, see it through. as they get through the trial and i ve covered enough of these to know. if it gets to the trial and they re getting close to the end you can see plea deals in cases like this right up to the last minute.
understandably playing out his hand. dana: let me switch gears and talk about the mid terms. president obama announcing today his first wave of endorsements for house candidates, some i guess senate. i noted two things that he didn t include on his list, two types of people, one was the new instantly famous alexandria owe casio-cortez who beat joe crawley in the primary. oept bam a does not have her on his list. why would he, she doesn t need help. she won with, what, about the same number of votes as nothing. nd if she s in a safe seat she doesn t need help. she has enough visibility. dana: can i ask you, is it better for her not to be endorsed by president obama? she s running an anti-establishment campaign. i m not sure, do the democrats consider the clintons and the obamas establishment or just the
clintons? if she can find any way to lose in this district it would be a miracle greater than the senate reds winning the world series. it s not going to happen. the issue here is, is it good for democrats for obama to be doing this. i think no. i think this is hub ris, he has to stand back and let the chaos reign in the party. he can t show up and say i m out but here are the people you should do. dana: do you feel the same way about him not endorsing any current red state democrats up for re-election or are they glad to the to have the endorsement? you think joe manchin wants barack obama to say that s my guy? no, does not help you. dana: he said this is his first wave of endorsements, do you think he will have an impact on any of the races? he will have an impact in some places. but again the larger impact is a negative one for his party.
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dana: president trump is heading to central ohio to campaign in a final special election before the mid terms. republican troy balderson is running against daniel o connor, a house seat that s been in republican hands since 1980. but the crystal ball rates the contest a tossup. a new monmouth poll, he leads o connor only 1%. collin reeves joining me now, columnist for the boston herald. and dave brown, former senior advisor and community counsel to senator patty murray and democratic strategist. experienced folks to talk about ohio 12. collin. trump going to the race must mean that president trumps things that balderson has a good chance of winning or he wouldn t go. but him going could make all the difference in the turnout. absolutely. special elections usually come down to turnout. it s not always able to
extrapolate from the results what does happen in future elections. but i think one thing that the republicans have made clear in this race is the playbook they use against the democrat in the race is one they can use all across the country. and that is make every race a referendum on nancy pelosi. the democrats want to make every race a referendum on fond trump but that doesn t work in ohio, west virginia other places where he s very, very strong. that s where the mid terms seem to be going in terms of the battle lines. remains to be seen who will win. nancy poe less joy is a liability no matter where you go, nancy pe lows si. dana: the democrats must have done something right with this candidate, your thoughts? you re seeing a major enthusiasm gap in this race as well as races across the country. one reason why democrats over the past year, in special elections, have been consistently outperforming even in states that were historically red or went for president trump
in 2016. to win the house democrats need a net 23 seats. republicans are defending 25 seats that hillary clinton won last cycle n ohio and other suburban districts, the more the president wants to campaign in the suburbs we welcome that. if you look dana: why? if you look at the you be in of suburban women who strongly disapprove of the job that the president is doing, nearly 6 in 10. and even among republicans who support the president, there s a major, major gap between men who strongly support his performance and women. it s overwhelming. democrats are enjoying a 30-point lead with the suburban women, that s going to translate into gains in november. dana: collin, the other thing i learned is that the democrat candidate not only is there enthusiasm on his side, but to the extent there are independent enlts left, and apparently there are, they re leaning toward the democrats. that s typical in this type of a mid-term election.
can the president s visit change any of their minds? you have to believe if he s going there, he would look at a poll and assume he s going to be helpful and not an asset not anything that s going to drag down the republicans. look, these mid terms in the middle of august, people have a lot of other better things to be doing than paying attention to politics. and what s happening there. i think you just need to pay attention to what happens on turnout and who shows up. dana: let me ask you about a poll, i ll go to texas, this was a little bit of a surprise, this morning the texas iceum group poll showing that ted cruz is just two points ahead of o roarke, cruz the incumbent. o roarke on his heels. i would heat the quinnipiac poll came out saying that ted cruz is up 49-43. but that race, dave, is probably closer than ted cruz would like. i think it s very fair to say it s closer.
i thought it was striking, i think last week, when an incumbent sitting senator ted cruz challenges beto o roarke to five debates. that s crazy, an incumbent wants to debate, that speaks to his sense of waeshgness at this position. beto o roarke is running an interesting and compelling campaign, the small dollar donations he s generated and keeping up financially with senator cruz and running on kitchen table issues, whether it s insuring affordable healthcare, whether it s ensuring that they are able to have a winning wage. dana: he s been doing it in a different way, facebook live. collin, the last word, the democrats have had this dream of flipping texas blue. are their dreams to be dashed again this year? yes. texas isle into s gold for the democrats. cycle after texas is fool s gold. they want to make it competitive, they never do, the republican usually wins, i m
confident that will happen as well in the state of texas. dana: we ll make you buy is a drink if it s not true. thank you. thank you. dana: one group making a major push for a member of the national guard running for congress, i ll speak to lt. colonel ashleigh niklos about her primary fight tomorrow night. gas, bloating, constipation, and diarrhea
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xwechb that the health inspengtors have given it the all clear, i m not worried right now. no, if i get sick, we ll see. but as of now not worried at all. dana: the restaurant was closed monday after the illnesses first surfaced. officials say they inspected the location and found no reason for the outbreak and the store reopened yesterday afternoon. ashley nickloes, serving eight deployments since 9/11, trains military and civilian groups on disaster response. her most important job, devoted mom. now, nickloes is on a new mission, challenge the career politicians, rebuild our military, grow our economy. dana: that was an ad recently released in support of lt. colonel ashley nickloes. the republican is part of a crowded field running in a primary tomorrow hoping to win the open seat in the second district. i m joined now by lt. colonel
ashley nickloes. thanks for being with us today. you re running for seat held in the duncan family for many, many decades. yes, ma am, 54 years. dana: why did you decide to run? you brought were you brought to my attention by this group called with honor. david ignatius is a columnist for the washington post, wrote this today, the coalesce evens of young veterans of iraq and having a may be the most positive trend on the political horizon. they have been through the nightmare of combat, they know what it means to serve the country beyond flag waving and slogan earring. did they re chute you to run for this seat? how did they find you? no, ma am, i just got tired of how broken washington is. my view from 18,000 feet over syria, iraq, and afghanistan is different than the view with a. after multiple deployments,
after the pad few decades, i thought it was time to bring a new voice and voils of experience to congress. dana: what do you think are your main issues you re concerned about? . national security of course is my top priority, closest to my heart. healthcare is also very close to my heart, my husband is a trauma surgeon and dedicated his life to healthcare in addition to serve 2g 2 years in the military serve 2g 2 years in the military. and term limits. i believe it s time to bring congress and the representatives back to the voice of the people. term limits would bring it back to what our founding fathers original intent was. kp there are many more women running for congress than in years past, the democrats doing better than republicans. where democrats are running in a primary with at least one woman and a man and no incumbent, 66% of democrats have won, they were women. 38% of republicans have won. tomorrow, in a crowded primary, trying to win it tomorrow. i know that you don t go about
talking about how you re a woman and that s why you should vote for me. what do you think about the republican party trying to promote women in this year? it s imperative that the republican party show what the actual republican party is. we re looking at over 435 seats in the house of representatives and only 11 of them being held by women after this election campaign. so we want to make sure that republicans reflect what we really are in this nation. as you said, i have a crowded primary, there s seven of us. i am the only female. but i ve run on my experience and the power of our message. i believe i m the most experienced to take this message to congress. dana: let me ask you about the on issue of a lot of people in tennessee, the effect of the trade policy that president trump is pursuing, while he tries to work out the trade deals there are consequences for tennessee, with canada, for example, being the top sip yent,
soy beans, and whiskey. i m curious what you say to your constituents when you come to washington who you would do to stick up for them on this issue? well, i applaud president trump s ability to try and bring a level playing field to our trade policy. we have over 850,000 jobs that are dependent on the trade policy here in tennessee. over 1.4 billion in money that we bring in to our state because of trade. i hope that president trump makes it an expedite, the negotiations, because the longer we draw it out the harder it will be on my constituents in tennessee. if ever there was a time to negotiate a better trade stance for us internationally, then right now is, they are into the booming economy. dana: lt. kol them ashley nickloes, thanks for being here today.
thank you so much, it was a privilege. dana: pension problems to the tune of trillions of dollars corks your retirement fund face insolvency? new tariff talk, what the president is tying when it comes to billions of dollars worth of chinese goods. president trump: everyone that says hello mr. president, congratulations on what you ve done for the economy. it s the talk of the world. china paying hundreds of billions of dollars a year with nobody there to protect your money. but you re there now.
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dana: a new place to raise the stakes with china, fox news learns president trump floated the idea of boosting property moesed tariffs from 10% to 25% on billions of dollars worth of chinese goods. here s the fox business network live with this story. tensions are is d.ca lating, the proposed move from 10% to 25% is more than double obviously. some see it as a tactic aimed at the chinese government. beijing has reacted with anger, threatening retaliation. we ve seen 25% tariffs on $34 billion, largely industrial goods that. s imposed on china amount the u.s. on schedule to heavy similar tariffs of an additional
$16 billion, either this week or next week. as for this next proposed level, the white house probably going to make a decision towards the end of august. those in favor of the tactics say they re justified because of the chinese yuan has fallen about 6% against the dollar since the end of may, a clear advantage of chinese exports when they sell their goods overseas. trade tensions clearly between the u.s. and china escalating but they are calming down between the u.s. and europe. president meeting with the e.c. president last week, the e. you have freeing to import more u.s. soy beans, very important big $20 billion export crop for us. and more liquified natural gas. the u.s. stood down on imposing tariffs on imported european cars. dana: and american consumers are paying more for certain items. which ones stand out? they certainly are. basically, hearing from a lot of ceos that metals, that cost
more, it costs them more for certain products, packaging, the ceo of coca-cola saying the company is taking an unusual step of raising soda prices midyear, referenced the rising costs. he said freight rates and prices for plastic and aluminum went into his decision. executives at sam adams brewery and boston beer company saying prices would go up 2% in the second half of the year. r.v. manufacturer winnebago won t say how much it raised prices, but the company has admitted to modifying r.v. floor plans to trim costs. separate from tariffs, americans are also paying more this summer to fly due to rising fuel costs. you have american airlines for example spending more on fuel, jet fuel prices up around 50%, that company said it s hurting its bottom line. delta s ceo saying ticket sales are up about 4% from last year. american consumers taking a few hits from all sides.
kp. dana: all right, thank you. good news on the economic front for the american worker with the employment cost index showing that pay and benefits are climbing at the fastest pace in a decade. joining me is arry fliescher, former secretary under george w. bush and fox news contributor. great news for the president, unemployment at 4.0% and news about increase in pay. i want to spring this on you, i just got this in, president trump doing an interview with rush limbaugh, he called in, rush limbaugh celebrating 30 years on air, pretty remarkable. trump saying this about farmers and trade. our farmers were we re going to open up markets for them but they re great patriots. i watch them all the time, saying we trust our president. you know they make take a short-term hit. you look at farm and farming has been going down for 15 years. sow beenls five years before the election cut in half, the price was cut in half, i wasn t there.
he made comments on other things, but relevant on the economy, everything seems to be going well. one question about trade. that s right, donald trump is trying to do something long term when it comes the tariffs. it s high, high risk and high, high reward. on the fundamentals of the economy and the most important fundamental, are you making more money. working class, blue collar americans, first the time in ten years they can report a significant raise in pay. that s huge. and that has a tendency, historically, to change how elections come out. dana: in terms of, we do these stories about mid terms all the time. republicans out there running are not running on the economy. they re talking about other things like immigration, things that will get the base out. i understand it s a mid-term election. but is the good feelings about the economy, are they baked into people s thinking? i don t think so, not yet. unemployment is low and he gets credit for that, that s baked into the economy. but the missing picture, one of the big reasons why donald trump
got elected, wages were stuck for 10 years. blue collar americans weren t getting a pay raise, but the wealthy were. that was pal possible, the weakness of the obama years. now, it s going up. that s a tremendous development. the parallel to the 90s when bill clinton was under investigation by ken starr and the economy boomed. people didn t really care about the investigation. if that s the case here, it benefits donald trump and republicans. dana: any concern for that deirdre was reporting because of the trade issues, prices are going up, even coke a cola saying they ll to have raise their prices a little bit. middle class wages, low income going up, but do they get eaten up by cost increases? everything feels different these days, with donald trump. inflation unless it s rampant doesn t hurt you as much as if your wages are not going up f your wages are going up you feel better. you don t foo notice that your
coke costs five cents more or airline ticket costs 5% more. you re making more money week-to-week. dana: and maybe your anxiety is alleviated and that makes you feel better about things. i want to ask about this, the economy is so good, should we be trying to make hay while the sun shines, in terms of the structural problems? there s a problem with pensions, people forget about pensions, we don t talk about them as much any more. a lot of states are underfunded with their pensions and there are laws that kick in that says taxpayers don t have to bail them out. aren t these great issues, the issues republicans wrangled with for decades and we haven t talked about them for years. this is the time with a booming economy to go after tariffs as trump is doing, when the economy is strong we can take the risk. secondly, deal with long-term pension issues and the underfunding of them. this is the time to get your books in order when the economy is well. when the economy is doing poorly, the resources aren t there to do it. this is better than before. dana: and impact on the
budgeting for congress, they re looking at that as entitlement spending continues to grow, the stuff that you can t mess with, the amount of money that you have to put around to other things is basically smaller and smaller. exactly right, the government gets squeezed. one of the things about the trump years, he doesn t want to do anything about social security and medicare going bankrupt. we have to one day. i guess it won t be on donald trump s watch. dana: maybe a second term. he says he s going to do it. dana: greg gudfelled is coming up, were you at an event last night. i was at the mets national game in washington, dwk my son who got to watch his favorite player, trey turner, what a pounding. 26 runs for the nationals. what a game. dana: fun park, too. it is. dana: best part of washington sometimes. it is. they don t tax when you you walk in. dana: keep an eye on. thatari fliescher, thank you. vice president pence is in hawaii to receive the remains of
american service members who died during the korean war. a solemn ceremony taking place at pearl harbor. stan springer is live in honolulu. this is an emotional day for anyone who served in the military. but it will be especially powerful for the more than 7,600 families who lost servicemen in the korean war whose remains have never been identified, never brought back to the united states 65 years after the fighting ended. vice president mike pence is in hawaii now, to take part in today s honorable carry ceremony. it means a lot to him personally, his father fought in korea and received the bronze star. he will be accompanied by two people whose fathers were killed in the war and their remains still missing. also attending will be 10 local korean war veterans who will be part of the honor guard. dozens of vets have been meeting every week on tuesdays for the last 20 years. the group s president is herb shriner whose brother was killed in korea.
you know how hard it is to hear that they re missing in action and you don t know where they re at, what s happening to them, are they captured, are they suffering? families think about that. 55 boxes of remains were turned over by north korea late last week and flown to a u.s. base in south korea draped in the united nations flag. when they arrive shortly at joint base pearl parlor hick couple, they will be covered by u.s. flags. then the painstaking work begins to identify the remains. it will be done by the defense p.o.w. m.i.a. accounting administration, one of the premiere anthropologist groups in the world. last year it made 201 identifications of our war dead giving families a chance at some closure. but it is not a quick process. one of the few countries that spends this type of effort and
time and money to bring closure to our military families. each and every one of those families has been made a promise by the u.s. military to come home. we are the end of that promise. the relatively easy identifications will take at least a month, dna will be part of that process. some of these identifications could take many years, if ever. yet getting done. those 55 boxes could contain hundreds of individual service members. dana: dan, thank you. a new ruling today by a jum on something very up judge on something very upsetting regarding the children separated from their parents at the border. what one major league pitcher did to get himself out during a game that his team won by 21 runs. oh! oh! ozempic®! (vo) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven
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ninth inning. the they said he grew frustrated when the umpire implored him to work quickly and trip gibson told him to slow down or get called for a balk. the whole story, they were looking for something to get rid of this guy. they released him because he threw his mitt down. there s a backstory. he s probably not a popular player. what would you call him, dane? what would be the word? dana: a diva? [laughing] no, i would be respectful of maybe a jerk. he might be a jerk. i think, like, this is the equivalent of a yard sale. they put him out, there so somebody could pick him up. a teachable moment for him, he hah to prove to the people who pick him up that he isn t what you might call, um dana: not like he took an ally gator into a convenience store and chased people around.
no, that would be terrible. dana: i would call them something then. [laughing] okay, everybody. what would you call that, dane? dana: i might call you that. are you going to explain this on the five tonight? you know what it is, something that outrageous and immoral happens on family television, it s incumbent on the host of the show to talk about it. and i think we need to air our grievances. a lot of people at the table, need to have a discussion. dana: family counseling? it needs to be a toechable moment. dana: show counseling. because of what happened to me on the five no, what i did on the phi last night, let me take full responsibility, i m sorry, we ll lead the five with it. but we ve been talking about twitter outbursts. what i did last night was sort
of like if you did it on twitter, the mob might come after you, right? or if you did it, like sean kelley, he s throwing his mitt down, on twitter that would be seen as, you know, ridiculous. but you might get fired for it, too. i think it s a testament to the amount of leisure time that we have that we can examiner sides those kind of exercise, i don t know, crucifixions where we go after somebody and have the time to do it. i call it, sort of like a ritual sacrifice almost every week, we find somebody and cast them out. and then we find somebody else. it s such a strange thing. it s almost like we need to create a ritual to replace that. you know what i mean? something that people can do. to take their minds off? right. like mass is like that, you go mass and take part in a ritual that keep from you doing actual sacrifices and actual crucifixions. there almost needs to be a mass
for social media that teaches people this will replace that, so stop hurting people. dana: i love this mass for social media. you had a great time. i did special report with brett in d.c., he s a jolly foally and molly and jonah and myra. never try to maybe everybody. dana: you had a good time. it was great and i did a couple of talk shows, too. at fox it s unusual to see somebody plugging a book. dana: doesn t happen very off. right, so people are shocked and surprised to see me here plugging a book that s a collection of all of my monologues, which are bursts of thoughts that you probably would have had. dana: it s brilliant. i won t go that far, i don t blow my own horn, i m not like you. [laughing] but dvp i know this, i have been warned that your monologue today on the five is must-see television. my mom, she s going to be there and watching. she better be.
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legacy that he has left. the frontrunner is two-term congresswoman and former fighter pilot martha mcfamily, a moderate. but they say she s warmed to the president of late, even though she s critical of him in the past. i welcome an endorsement from the president. i don t expect him to win this race for me, but we d welcome it. early voting evens august 28. dana: is the democrat that strong or something else at work here as you mention chris making that ratings change a couple of weeks ago. right, well maybe to your first, the first part of the question, and yes definitely to the second. the electorate is definitely changing. latino population is up to 30% here in arizona. and independent voters are much more influential. all of this of course helps democratic congresswoman kirsten cinema who has a strong past,
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