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unindicted coconspirators could do that, but if they remain an coconspirator, they will certainly not want to take the chance of testify under oath and a trial, when they are still facing their own possible culpability. and if they had been indicted by then, even more so, are they not going to want to testify. they have fifth amendment rights against incriminating themselves. that leaves a bond that mr. trump would be in terms of trying to push this defense. it's one reason that these people were involved, the support the country coconspirator status in this indictment, but we may very well see these people also being indicted. >> is the timing on that important in terms of the effect it may have on the movement at the trial? what is your read on the timing of that? >> right, so if mr. trump would try to stick to rely on the

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enforcement conducted on his home last year. he appears to be unindicted coconspirator number four and the ex presidents lady said most serious indictment. a man who prosecutors said, quote, attended these the justice department to open sham election crime investigation and influencing legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud. he also casually called out the meryl terry to put down the american city protests against a coup. but he is not the only lawyer involved in the case. in fact, at least five of the six unindicted coconspirators listed by the special counsel are lawyers. striking how often boyer show up as donald trump's henchmen. it also brings up interesting questions for the trial that would give testimony to give about what their face would be. mary mccord spent 20 years as a federal prosecutor, where she served chief criminal official, and she is the co-host of the prosecuting donald trump podcast. she joins me now. first, mary, your thoughts about the five at the six, at least, appears the unindicted

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remember this one? it's hard to forget, former trump justice department official, jack-seat bought -- jeffrey boxer clark is under last year, in the fbi subpoena search warrant of his home. you see -- of donald trump's attempt to steal the election. mr. clark, who we are pretty sure is a coconspirator number four and trump's indictment, played a pivotal role in that scheme. here in the body cam footage, he looks well, comical and a bit pathetic. >> can you step outside with me? we have a search warrant, and we need you to step outside for me. >> can i call my? lawyer >> come outside for us. >> let's step aside. >> real quick, we had to clear your house. >> can i put pence on. >> they got to clear the house. as soon as we cleared the house, you can talk to your lawyer and you can get pence. on >> the scene is somewhat -- because if you look at jeffrey clark's bio anytime before 2020, it would be entirely

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coconspirator best known for being detained without pants helped him do it. >> step on out. here >> come this way. >> can i put pence on? first >> sir, you've got to clear the house. >> and why the people who prosecuted the impeachment of donald trump agree with the attorneys defending donald trump that the federal trial of donald trump should be televised. >> let's have cameras in the courtroom so that all americans can see what is happening in our criminal justice system. >> when all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. well, for donald trump, the stakes at the next presidential election are clear. we all know them. he is running for his freedom. they put and even finer point on it, he's running for his life. the ex president now faces 78 criminal accounts across three jurisdictions and a combined 641 years in prison. at age 77, if he's convicted of any offenses, just one, he

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in a lot of trouble. hitting up the caps a lock on his truth social post, but you've got to take it seriously. if you ever seen an image of what happened on january six, right? the guy is running for president, he can't win. imagine how our system of justice would run in that world? it's hard to think about, but it could have been. taking the oath, he's elected president, maybe he would pardon his unindicted coconspirator jeffrey clark and finally succeed installing that guy as attorney general. not a completely farfetched idea if donald trump wins the presidency again. he could not beat making it more clear that he intends to defeat american democracy once and for all if he is given the means. obviously, obviously, it goes without saying, i know i had to say, but a man like that should not be.

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coconspirators being lawyers and not just tangentially lawyers. acting essentially as legal coconspirators, using their position, roll, knowledge as lawyers and further attempt of the. >> right, that is exactly why we hear a former president trump's lawyers and others associating with him suggesting that there is a vice counsel here. what you said obliterates the advice from counsel defense. counsel cannot be a coconspirator and accomplice in a crime and have someone to be able to rely on his devices and affirmative defense to the crime here, and the various conspiracies that are being charged. a couple of things flow from the. if mr. trump is to try to force such a defense, he is going to try to have somebody testify for the. certainly, one of these

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