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Policy. >> no, it's not. i think it's about principle. >> when you look back at your record on it, you were not in favor of busing. it was a different time, there were different applications. why not own it and say i was against it. >> if a court ruled there was a law passed or circumstance that a county, a city, a state did that prevented black folks from being somewhere, that's wrong. i even went so far in the middle of that busing controversy to say i used helicopters if that was necessary to make the point. and in the town meeting it got very hot. but what the issue is now is it was then, ...

Study i did for the president pointout you need something more than a high school degree. >> i get it on the policy. i never have viewed the busing back and forth in that debate as about policy or application of how to affect civil rights. it's about consistency in proving to deal better in the white house which is people won't tell the truth. why say you were for it? why not just be straight about it and move on? >> because there's three different pieces. i was for voluntary busing. number one, i was for busing where the courts showed in fact a ledge slasive body prevented black folks from go...

Positions aren't any different as we're finding out. >> senator harris says she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances. >> look at my record. >> i don't think busing is about policy, mr. vice president. >> no, it's not. >> i think it's about principle. when you look back at your record on it, you were not in favor of busing. it was a different time, there were different applications. why not just own it and say i was against it but now i've changed. >> no. i was in favor of busing if a court ruled there was a law passed or circumstance that a county, a city, a state did that preven...

Prevented plaq prevented black folks from being some there, that was wrong. i even went so far in the middle of the controversy to say i would use helicopters to make the point and it was in a town meeting that got very hot. but what the issue is now, for example, and it was then, voluntary busing, we supported it. we supported it then. and by the way, barack and i as president and vice president, we provided money for voluntary busing. >> i'm not questioning that. i'm saying when you look back in the '70s, you said i don't think busing works, it's an asinine concept. >> my state is the larges...

It didn't seem to be something at all consistent with anything i had been accused of before. but i think the end of the day, we need to be talking about the future. busing is something that 99% of the american people don't even know what we're talking about here. but i've always supported voluntary busing, which she was part of. as a matter of fact, when we were president and vice president, we provided money for voluntary busing. >> reporter: now, biden also said that candidates need to start talking about the future, not issues of the past. he said that he's not bringing up people's previous...