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shop teacher, was smart and sly, with a garage full of metal working tools at his disposal. the big guy in the bib overalls was now a prime suspect in the pizza bombing case. but rothstein had another secret. >> bill rothstein was out on bond, accused only of the minor-ish charge of abusing a corpse, the one found in his home freezer. he seemed to be relishing his moment in the spotlight. responding to a reporter's question -- >> -- in french. [speaking french] rough translation -- "too bad." but when would-be documentary filmmaker trey borzillieri went to rothstein's house to talk about the pizza bombing, rothstein wouldn't talk to him in any language. >> the garage is open. this is where the frozen body was held. and classical music is blasting out of there. so instantly it's --

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his home town and heading back to his new life in new york city, where he was trying to become a documentary filmmaker. all he needed was a good story. >> what do you think the ingredients are for the kind of thing that you want to see and want to make? >> well -- you know, it -- it -- it had to be something that was shocking, that really pulled you in. >> while raising a farewell glass with friends, trey noticed the coverage of the bank robbery in erie. >> the newscast came over -- the tv in the corner of the bar and i was hooked. it seemed like it had all the pieces right from the start. >> had you found your white whale, as we all find white whales in life? >> absolutely. and i thought, "wow, how -- how desperate did that man have to be? " >> back in erie, brian wells'big sister barbara was also thinking about how desperate her brother looked in his last moments. that fit her belief that brian was a victim. nothing else made sense for the brother she loved. >> brian was a fun person, a quiet person, a humble person. >> brian was one of eight children, an easy going guy. he liked puzzles and scavenger hunts.

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like it? >> like that? no. really, nobody in the united states had seen anything like that. >> that included jerry clark, with 20 years of law enforcement experience under his belt. he was joined at the scene by his fbi supervisor. >> after both of us initially said, "oh, my god, i can't believe what we saw, " and i said, "i gotta have this case." and he said, "it's yours. let's go." >> from the first moments, every move agent clark made would be under intense scrutiny. >> it was a media frenzy. i mean, live satellite dishes -- local, national, international news. it was a big event. >> one of the people watching the coverage was trey borzillieri. on the day brian wells died, trey was a couple of hours away in buffalo, settling his mother's estate. >> it was a bittersweet two weeks in -- in buffalo, new york, packing up her things. >> and-- i was wrapped up, done, and -- reached out to some friends, you know, let's all meet, have a drink to say good-bye. >> trey was saying goodbye to

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>> there should be a "d" after the word "use." >> it was like a chess game to him. and he liked to let them know he was as smart as they were. and i think he enjoyed it. >> how long have you known marjorie armstrong? >> i've known her roughly 30, 35 years. okay? >> and briefly, what was your relationship with her? >> we went together, and then we got engaged in, like, the first year. >> they never married. but she and bill rothstein remained friends in a complicated relationship. a romance that was just a small part of marjorie diehl-armstrong's long and troubled history. do you want to take a crack, trey, at explaining who marjorie is? >> marjorie diehl-armstrong -- she is a very famous, or i should say infamous, resident of erie, pennsylvania. >> trey borzillieri, the would-be documentarian, had come to erie after the frozen body was found, trying to find out everything he could about two very strange crimes and two unique individuals -- bill rothstein and marjorie diehl-armstrong. what he was discovering about

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impulsive behavior was on full display. a perfect, mesmerizing subject for trey's documentary. >> when you see her, i mean, it almost looks like a cartoon character, she has the -- the dark, you know, raven hair and the big blue eyes and the intense, brooding look to her. >> and marjorie held center court. when the judge and jury were out there was no question who was in charge. >> i walked into the courtroom and, she looked back and said, "hey, trey, what are you doin'over there? you're on the prosecution side. get over here." and -- she called me out. so, i stood up and -- >> moved pews. -- walked-- moved over. >> when the prosecution rested there was little doubt marjorie would testify. whether her attorney wanted her to or not, she was going to tell her story. >> one of the biggest challenges in this case for me was to deal with her mental illness. >> doug sugrue was marjorie's defense attorney.

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scrutiny. >> it was a media frenzy. i mean, live satellite dishes -- local, national, international >> it was a media frenzy. news. i mean, live satellite dishes -- it was a big event. local, national, international >> one of the people watching the news. coverage was trey borzillieri. on the day brian wells died, trey was a couple of hours away in buffalo, settling his mother's estate. >> it was a bittersweet two weeks in -- in buffalo, new york, packing up her things. >> and-- i was wrapped up, done, and -- reached out to some friends, you know, let's all meet, have a drink to say good-bye. >> trey was saying goodbye to his home town and heading back to his new life in new york city, where he was trying to become a documentary filmmaker. all he needed was a good story. >> what do you think the ingredients are for the kind of thing that you want to see and you know, it -- want to make? >> well -- it -- it had to be something that was shocking, that really pulled you in. >> while raising a farewell glass with friends, trey noticed the coverage of the bank robbery in erie. >> the newscast came over -- the tv in the corner of the bar

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erie's resident black widow and master manipulator, was going on trial for the infamous pizza bombing. as her trial approached, marjorie began to call filmmaker trey borzillieri from prison. as much as he could, trey pressed her for details. >> necessity is the mother of invention, you know. and so, i needed information to get to the -- you know, get to deeper truths in this case and she clearly seemed like the last resort for me. >> hello, trey i've got some interesting news for you. >> in dozens of recorded calls marjorie spewed out her version of the truth and relentlessly attacked ken barnes, the prosecution's star witness in her upcoming trial. >> ken barnes is a pathological liar and i said this from day one and you know, i may lie a little bit to protect myself cause everybody was lying and framing me, okay? but i'm not a pathological liar.

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question -- >> -- in french. [speaking french] rough translation -- "too bad." but when would-be documentary filmmaker trey borzillieri went to rothstein's house to talk about the pizza bombing, rothstein wouldn't talk to him in any language. >> the garage is open. this is where the frozen body was held. and classical music is blasting out of there. so instantly it's -- it's jarring. and i look at him and i say, "listen, i'm making a documentary on the brian wells case. and i -- i know it's affected your life, and i'd like to hear your side of the story." he turned to me and he said, "no." >> what were the hairs on the back of your neck telling you? >> they were telling me to get out of there. >> this guy's creepy? >> absolutely. >> and fbi agent clark's instincts were telling him that

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first year. >> they never married. but she and bill rothstein remained friends in a complicated relationship. a romance that was just a small part of marjorie diehl-armstrong's long and troubled history. do you want to take a crack, trey, at explaining who marjorie is? >> marjorie diehl-armstrong -- she is a very famous, or i should say infamous, resident of erie, pennsylvania. >> trey borzillieri, the would-be documentarian, had come to erie after the frozen body was found, trying to find out everything he could about two very strange crimes and two unique individuals -- bill rothstein and marjorie diehl-armstrong. what he was discovering about marjorie was troubling, to say the least. some publications, you might find the epithet "black widow" next to her name. >> she is the epitome of a black widow. she's had many men in her life fall victim to bizarre deaths by her hand, and also by odd circumstances. >> it was a much different story when marjorie was younger. a near straight "a" student in high school, she seemed destined for a bright future. >> marjorie diehl-armstrong was a very, very bright young lady. got a bachelor's degree and a master's degree. was -- looked like she was on the road

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>> marjorie, with her personality disorders and her narcissism, she was always going to testify. you could not keep her quiet. >> and who did the jurors meet when marjorie showed up? >> when she was -- on the stand, i mean, it was, in essence -- standing room only -- they met somebody that, you know -- has such attitude. >> you're on the edge of your seat because you know, you're -- this speaks danger, you know, wow. you know, is this -- is this the -- a real-life witch? >> she called barnes the devil himself. she called rothstein -- an idiot. >> marjorie had told trey that she was going to tell the jury how much she disliked her father. not a winning strategy he thought. >> and i said, "you know, marjorie, that's the government's motive in this case, is that you wanted to kill your father." and she's like, "well, i just want it to be real. and i would never want to kill my father." >> on the stand marjorie cried, yelled and unleashed a tornado of words and insults insisting she was not involved in the scheme. she admitted she was near the

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