>> well, it didn't stop us from getting the moefg out. we kind of pretended on our arts advocacy day as if we were speaking in front of the subsenate committee and asking them to approve the amount. it ends up being about a billion dollars from that core amount of money that is funded through the national endowment of the arts. because there's a great deal of match funding and state funding and local funding that happens as a result. the thing that people in the united states and certainly members of our congress and senate should be aware of is that for that billion dollars that is put in to the funding of arts and culture around this country, $29 billion comes back into the treasury. in both local and state government. there is no other issue. there is no other area of the budget that has that kind of return on its investment. >> sounds like -- >> just from an economic point of view.