>> harris: simon, can i just step in. >> i don't agree with the rational. >> harris: i haven't been able to ask anyone in your party this today. i'm curious. if you knew this wasn't a permanent solution and you're letting children in illegally and they're now growing up and growing up in america, the only country they have ever known as speaker paul ryan put it. if you knew this was the case, why didn't democrats try to fix this before we got to this point? they knew it wasn't permanent. >> well, we did actually. >> harris: how did you do it? why didn't it work? >> in 2013 we passed a bill, bipartisan bill through the senate that would have fixed this. the house republicans blocked it. so we actually did try to fix it. an important point here is that daca only applied to people who came here prior to 2007. so there is this -- people weren't continuing to come in and qualify for daca. that's something that's been misrepresented in the press. this is in some ways water under the bridge. the question is now what is congress and the president do