buying a gun was not a big deal, a lot of people had guns, they still do, a lot more laws there now. we never had thought of having a drill for something like this. something has shifted in society both with us as individuals, with families, with common sense, with us caring about each other. i think we have to think about -- those are big issues. >> people have made people think that way. >> laura: i swear we had more guns in connecticut when i was growing up. >> there are other victims of mass shootings like a man i personally know, officer rob young of california. he was shot at the stockton california school as a first grader. he completely advocates teachers, principals. he says we can't get there quickly enough. same thing with patrick knebel, a survivor of columbine, says the same thing.