guilty pleas here. >> jason: a case that has nothing to do with the original manafort directive. >> this is trump's campaign chairman. it was his campaign chairman. >> jason: anyone that has ever worked for you -- >> paul manafort here has been found guilty. look -- >> jason: of what? something he did a long time ago? >> the team took a gamble, the case in alexandria, virginia, hoping for a much more conservative jury. >> jason: you don't believe that he would have been prosecuted except for his proximity to donald trump? >> they looked at him. that was part of it. i agree, his proximity to donald trump brought the case. it doesn't mean that's the only thing. >> jason: if someone has skirted the tax laws, i want them to be convicted. but to have the national spotlight on them just because he's worked for 100 days for donald trump seems a bit over the top. let me get tom's take on this. tom, what do you think is happening here with paul manafort? >> a few things, i do think he was the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. look, the fact that bob mueller