that, but what hersh is claiming is at the highest level, the head of military head of intelligence, that the pakistani government knew. we don't know how that knowledge went number one, independently, nbc. and secondly that they were in on the planning of this raid that there was no stealth operation with those blackhawks that we were sending s.e.a.l. team 6 in relying on the pakistanis to stop their air defenses untrue. according to every account, and accounts simultaneously contemporaneously, jim miklaszewski reported they did scramble their air defenses but scrambled them in the wrong area, they thought it was india, their traditional rival and enemy, adversary, that was attacking. so this just doesn't hold up. >> andrea on another note secretary of state kerry is speaking with russian president putin today for the first time in nearly two years. what does this mean? >> it's a big deal let's assume it takes place, because the last