different. this seems to be the election where people are taking that on. it's come to a head. and i just hope that more and more republicans reject the whole idea of nativism, of anti-immigration talk, of anti-trade, of anti-the other. the country has changed. it's not going to go back. this is the election where i believe that we will turn that page and look to the future the way it's going to be and not the way we wish it were 50 years ago. >> mr. secretary, let me ask you about michigan. you spent many years there. you were the ceo of kellogg. donald trump is going to michigan today. there's a big play for michigan. hillary clinton added a stop in grand rapids tomorrow. what are you hearing from the people you know well in michigan? >> well, you know, outside of detroit, some of the smaller towns where i lived many years,