about it. something directly has him spooked. but it's caused him to make a tactical error, which is to come out and essentially throw his son and his son-in-law under the bus and say, yes, they were there to get dirt on hillary clinton. >> okay. joining jared and his son under the bus was jay sekulow, one of his last remaining tv lawyers other than rudy giuliani who may just have the tv part of that job. let's look at his statements now rendered as someone who has been on both sides of the question about what the president knew about the trump tower meeting. >> when you look at a meeting -- when you look at a meeting, george, that took place a year before, now two years ago, the question is what law, statute, rule or regulation has been violated. no one has pointed to one. >> they pointed to "olympic zone" spir si to dee frautd the united states. that would be one possible charge. aiding and abetting a conspiracy. >> do you buy that's a serious risk for donald trump, jr. and jared, frank?