outmanufactured by sophisticated legal and lobbying campaigns. certainly has happened in washington before when you're dealing with rich people. >> right. >> what does it tell you here that we're learning more about the way the trump administration is letting off this putin oligarch and congress, to be clear, has a majority in both houses that wants to stop this. it's only that there are enough republicans to filibuster it that it wasn't stopped yet. >> right. well, the larger question that we have here now, ari, we can no longer say there is no connection between the president of the united states and russia there are too many people involved. you have his son meeting in trump tower with russian representatives. you have this sort of deal with an oligarch. you have manafort handling polling information. you have rudy giuliani saying he was still conducting deals at this point. so the question for congress certainly on the democratic side in the house is not whether or not trump is connected to russia anymore, it's what direction these connections are going and whether or not they rides to the level of impeachment. and i have to mention this. this is the legal part and the political part.