started. you have kim jong-un stopping for a cigarette break and his sister as one does following around him with a crystal ashtray. >> you would do that for your sister. >> i would, but then getting off the train after a 68-hour -- first of all if you want to spend 68 hours on a train take amtrak from seattle to san francisco. but i kid. 68 hours on a train in part because of the threat of assassination and in part because of the shortage of dependable aviation equipment in that country. that gives you the setting for these two guys to sit down. >> it's a perfect metaphor. the economic need. the sanctions have hurt. but there's also cheating from china and russia, playing on both sides against the middle. and there is sort of a metaphor there, and it may be more than