some of the video you're playing, you could hear the bells and one moment you hear a bell and maybe an explosion or even an air strike siren or something. but that must be a strange dichotomy. >> i mean, you put your finger on it. the one difference i can tell you -- and i noticed this when i was in lviv and certainly here in kyiv. people outdoors, they might be sitting in a cafe, they may look like they're being social and having a good time, but they're not. they're not smiling. and that's a big difference. these people are worried and also defiant and acting normal is a way of being defiant to what's going on. >> so kevin, you're out here doing all of this stuff and chronicling everything. i just want to know if you're being safe. it's a protocol for journalists to wear flak jackets, helmets, and that sort of thing. i just want to make sure you're going becoming safe and taking care of yourself. >> the people i'm with, alexey and igor provided me with a flak