because she wouldn't extinguish her cigarette and the fact that the tape jumps. we don't know if that was a glitch or is there something more sinister there. >> president obama the first president to visit a prison recently cory booker rand paul talking about prison reform. the question is for the first time in 40 years will there be a serious conversation about police reform. 40 years ago it was about corruption in our police department. the book captured that. you wonder whether it will be a conversation about the training of young police officers and how to de-escalate and what is the difference between authority and commanding versus influence? >> i can't let a moment pass with the two of you with me. we have been talking about trump. you have both been very vocal, writing columns about the so-called trump effect. he is headed to the border