taken away from us, things expected to be part of our society. like roe v. wade is on the chopping block. as mara said, voting rights being gutted all over the country. even the legitimacy of the supreme court is in question. he's not wrong. i started politics girl in the first place because i believe in the american experiment. but it is a participation sport. we all have to be involved. part of that is waking up and smelling the coffee and knowing that we are actually in a very precarious time. and we're at a tipping point. . >> he's optimistic. but, mara, what he's saying, or what -- i'm not trying to put words in the justice's mouth, but he is giving off the sense that the trajectory is going in the wrong direction compared to when he first came onto the court. >> yeah. you have to keep in mind the court has changed a lot in the last few decades.