leaving the network, hears coming to cnn plus. i think it's part of a string of departures of reporters or journalists who were tied to a network where many of the voices are pr voices for the president or any number of conspiracies. what's your sense of what's happening with fox news and the direction that it's headed? >> they're purging anyone who actually acts like a journalist and tries to have fact-based arguments. it's a parallel of what's been going on in the republican party in terms of the hunting for heretics, the kicking out of the center and the elevation only of ideological absolutists for donald trump. but it's playing out in what is ostensibly a news organization but what is just a right-wing talk tv where the opinion side is unhinged from facts and anyone who has got a scintilla