campaign the waging it all over again. this is what challenger mitt romney said today. >> even jimmy carter would have given that order. >> i said we'd go after bin laden if i got a clear shot at him, and i did. if there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they'd do something else, then i'd go ahead and let them explain. >> is this really an outrage or politics as usual? i'll go one on one with goldberg. and my interview with benjamin brafman who represented dominique strauss-kahn as well as others. >> i'm not a cardiologist. nobody's happy to see me when they first come there. unlike people who are sick, they have a support system in place. people rally for their support. i deal with the fact that you're only looking at not only the loss of your freedom, but public humiliation, loss of a career. it's devastating. i think i've talked more people out of committing suicide than most psychiatrists in the world. >> we begin with the battle of bin laden on the onier anniversary of his dead. welcome. >> it's great to be here. >> i love the fact you use these words liberal fascists, liberal cheats. explain the premise of your book. >> it's everyone comes from ideological perspective. we talk about burke and rand. we wear ties with smith on them. meanwhile, liberals promise they're not ideological. they're pragmatists. they only want to do what works. they want to get rid of all the ideological labels and do the hard work the people of america sent them to do. that's a lie. of course liberals have an ideology. but they don't understand it. they don't question it. >> tell me this. what do you think about this row over the bin laden take? this campaign features bill clinton. it says what i would expect him to say. let's look at this. >> he had to decide. and that's what you hire a president to do. you hire the president to make the calls when no one else can do it. "3." >> i mean, he's right, isn't he? president clinton has been there. he knows what the job entails. >> he didn't do it when he had the chance. sure. >> he's awe plauding president obama for what mattered. to take out osama bin laden. what's wrong with that? >> nothing. but that's not the controversial part of the ad. the controversial part is what would mitt romney do? it's controversial because one of the cliches we hear is foreign policy is to stop at the water's edge. the football said we shouldn't gloat about it running campaign ads gloating about it. saying the other guy isn't tough enough to do what i did. and i think that's reprehensible? >> you do. >> i have no problem about him killing osama bin laden. >> what about mccain who said shame on president obama by turning it into a cheap political attack ad. the same president who criticized hillary clinton for invoking bin laden to score points. how do you feel about the speech when he used the capture of saddam hussein? he said george bush took the fight to our enemies and away from our shores destroying the regime. president obama made the difficult decision to liberate iraq. we need a leader with experience to make the tough decisions and the resolve to stick with it. what is the difference? >> there's a big difference. the big difference in there does john mccain say anything about john kerry. >> hang on. >> it's an important point here. it was stupid of the white house to do this. instead of talking about how great president barack obama was for killing osama bin laden, we're arguing whether he should have this ad. >> you're missing the big point the reason they mention mitt romney because he went on record saying it wasn't worth all the money spent to get one die. he said that on the record. that's why they went after him. >> yeah. and the context of what he was talking about was in terms of the larger war on terror and -- >> shouldn't politicians stand by -- i mean, if mitt romney genuinely believed it wasn't spending all this money to go after one man, can he really keep a straight face when he turns around and says of course i would have done it. even jimmy carter would have done it. >> no. there's a category error. >> a what? >> a category error. >> a category error. i've never heard of that. >> it's like apples and oranges. >> tell me why i'm mixed up then. >> a i'm not exactly famous as a booster of mitt romney's. but what romney was talking about is you don't conduct a transnational war on terror as simply a man hunt. that doesn't mean if you have the opportunity to get bin laden you don't take him out. part of the problem with all this is in the larger context, i don't understand why we didn't capture osama bin laden. i give president obama credit for it. i don't think it was as -- joe biden who's not smart enough to be a soldier -- >> you don't think he was incredible? he knows from jimmy carter you get these things wrong it can end your presidency. you will get voted out. mainly because the opposition will scream you got it wrong. you didn't know what you were doing. you disgraced and shamed america. right? step forward to barack obama. he's told we should get bin laden, it could all go wrong. we don't know 100% he's in there. and barack obama takes the decision to send in the navy s.e.a.l.s and he is perilous. they lose a helicopter. but they take out osama bin laden and america restored in that moment a vast chunk of pride. why would any republican turn around and legitimately try and criticize any aspect of that? and why shouldn't he frankly in his campaign -- i'm not batting for democrats or republicans. why shouldn't he then actually say in a campaign ad using bill clinton, this is what we did. we were right to do it. >> if you're not batting for democrats, that's a wonderful proximation of it. >> i deal with reality. i don't understand how any politician could criticize. >> i'm not criticizing. >> john mccain, when it was george bush and hussein, he praised him. >> i praise barack obama for the decision. i don't think it was as fantastic a decision as you think it was. >> tell me one other single foreign policy decision that barack obama could have taken in this term that could be bigger than taking out osama bin laden to the american people? >> for the american people? i don't know. figuring out a way to stabilize the government in pakistan. there are all sorts of decisions to make. figuring out a deal with the middle east. osama bin laden was away in a compound. it was largely cut off. you're trying to box me in -- >> what's your point? >> my point is he wasn't the day-to-day running tactical -- >> it was hugely symbolic. laden with his messages to people. >> are we really going to have -- >> yes, we are having that argument. >> i don't want to have that argument. i think it was a good decision. i support him in the decision. i thought the ad was stupid. i think the way they're -- >> why is the ad stupid? >> i tell you what i think is really offensive. >> what is it stupid? >> instead of taking getting the praise for this, he turned it into this thing against mitt romney stepping on his own presidential message. i bet you they regret it. >> he made the point that mitt romney said he wouldn't have spent the money to go after one guy and today mitt romney says of course i would have done it. even jimmy carter would have. hammering -- >> let's talk about politicizing this. forget about the ad. in barack obama's state of the union address, what he does is go out in front of the american people and says do you know what would be fantastic? the navy s.e.a.l.s, they were just doing what was best for america. wouldn't that be a great thing if all you americans were just like that? you marched in step and followed by agenda. that is the cliches i talk about in the book. >> if barack obama had been on the record two or three years ago saying -- and mitt romney was president at the time -- and said i do not believe it was worth this money going after one guy, are you telling me with a straight face again that mitt romney wouldn't of capitalized on that if he had then taken out osama bin laden? he wouldn't have reminded his number one challenger that he said he wouldn't of spent the money? >> first of all, your characterization of what mitt romney said is off. >> no, it's not. >> of course it is. >> no, it's not. >> he was talking about the war on terror and fighting one man. he wasn't spending all of this money. that's not what obama did getting osama bin laden. it was a cheap operation. >> cheap? >> are wre going to do this debating? >> yes. i'm curious. >> i would put it at -- $50 million. >> that's cheap in the republican world? >> that's cheap in comparison to what the cost of the war on terror is. >> no wonder the country got into the mess it did. >> i suppose that's supposed to be a telling point. i'm not sure how it is. >> the republican administration led to a financial collapse. you wouldn't dispute that. >> i would and i would say president barack obama has spent much, much, much, much more money than the republicans. >> would you dispute that after eight years of republican administration they country didn't go into financial collapse? >> no. >> the ideology $50 million is cheap is part of the problem here. >> i think the debate of standing on a soap box and waxing about how much this operation costs is cheap. >> you're criticizing the cliched ideology of the liberals here and i'm playing devil's advocate. when it comes to cheap ideology, chucking out statements like $50 million is cheap -- >> i didn't chuck it out. you begged me for an answer. >> that's good journalism, isn't it? isn't that the point of an interviewers? >> you're cross examining me. you're not interviewing. >> what do you think the whole debate is obama's too cool? you can't be on entertainment shows doing the slow jam on jimmy fallon, this is the wrong thing. are we to believe that mitt romney wouldn't do stuff like this occasionally? >> i don't think he'd be on "rolling stone" because i think it would burst into flames. >> is it legitimate -- >> i don't think that's quite it. i think he has every right to do it. i don't know if anybody who says he can't do it. at the same time i do think some of that act is wearing thin. you can only be cool so long in american life. >> i watched the correspondents' dinner. he had a charm delivery. great comic timing. everybody was laughing. he got more laughs than jimmy kimmel did. you can't dispute the guy is quite cool. why would americans not like to have a cool president? doesn't it resonate well around the world a guy that can sing like al green and crack jokes like the best comedians. isn't this good for america? >> i think all in all it's better to have a cool president than a not cool president. but if the choice is a cool president or a 8% unemployment and a country in the wrong direction and structural unemployment for young people at 50%, i'd rather have a dorky president who fixed those problems. >> is mitt romney a dork? >> he's a stiff. sure. >> what's the difference? >> the differences are small. i think -- >> is there a difference between a stiff and a dork? >> i would think there probably is. >> could you enunciate? >> i would say the latter is more of a geeky nerd sort of type. mitt romney is not that. >> could you be a stiff and a dork? >> absolutely. >> it's been a pleasure. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. coming up next, more on the big story of the woman at the white house correspondents' dinner. rosario dawson. people with a machine. what ? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it ? hello ? hello ?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello ? 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>> aren't you? >> i'm part of non-partisans. i'm a big fan of the voters. i'm a big supporter -- i'm not an outspoken supporter of any candidate. >> then i retract that in that case. in his speech last year knowing what he knew and this speech, what do you think of him as a speaker? >> he's a great speaker. last year was really fun. i felt like it was the beginning of the election and he did his speech and it was a kind of -- seth meyers was incredible. a lot could be put on the video for the birther video. that was unbelievable. >> and this year, he had more natural comic timing i thought even than jimmy kimmel. >> he was amazing. so it was that thing of when he did that speech then a couple days later he was saying osama bin laden had been killed, it was like he'd won for preside-- president and won in two days. >> when you look at the battle raging today over this campaign ad. it has president clinton saying being president's all about these big decisions. obama took it when he had to, took out bin laden. by the way romney said he wouldn't use the money to do that and now says he would have. he's a hypocrite. what do you think of that argument? do you think that's valid in a campaign ad saying we took out osama bin laden? are you surprised a politician would do that? >> i'm not surprised a politician would do that. but i'm not surprised a politician would change their mind. it's used so often. you said this 20 years ago and now you're saying something different. i'd think with el i hope that you would change some positions. >> i agree with that. there's a fine line between what they call flip-flopping which is where you deliberately change an opinion simply because you want to get more votes. and genuinely maturing as a human being. >> which is hard to decipher. i think with with these ads and my friend is from germany and she said it's illegal to do hate commercials there. it's taken out of the thing. it would be wonderful if we could see campaign commercials that were coming out saying i'm the right person for this job because of these things. and that's it. without smearing someone else. >> would they work? >> i think so. i think american people are looking at that. >> like newt saying i'm not going to attack anyone. blew him out the water. then in the end you had to go back to being nasty. >> did he have to? 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>> rosario dawson in "unstoppab "unstoppable." now joining me for keeping america great. you're in a lot of things. your finger's? many pies. you have a campaign to get more young latinos to vote. there are millions and millions of young latinos, the population b burgeoning but they don't vote. >> we show how fast they're growing. saying that 12.2 million latinos will vote in this coming election, i think that's why "time" magazine had the cover saying that latinos will decide this election. that's going to be a 26% increase in voter turnout. >> why aren't they voting? >> why aren't they? i think they are. 12.2 is still -- >> not in the numbers you would like them to. how would you encourage them? >> of all the demographics they're the most. they're effected by the housing crisis, economy, jobs, health care. all of these different things. people are bogged down. they have a lot of things to be thinking about and doing. and voter id's changing, law's changing. everything is making it difficult for them to vote. i think a lot of demographics aren't showing up to turn out. i think this election is in particular will turn out a lot of people. violence against latinos have gone up by 61%. i think people are -- they're wanting to show their numbers as being americans. they want to be civically eng e engaged. all of these things will be driving especially young people to the polls. but it's also women. and it's about the elderly not being taken out because of this voter id laws changes. it was a veteran writing in saying he wasn't a i believe to vote. he asked someone to drive him because they took his driver's license away. >> not necessarily about them not wanting to vote, it's about the capability. >> also about we've told the people of america the best thing to do to fight terrorism is go shopping. when you have that, you've made a big space between how -- the issues that are affecting in your life and how your vote can affect that change. if i'm a blue state or a red state my vote's not going to count. people feel they're not being asked to vote if they don't feel the vote's going to count and don't necessarily know what's going on. as soon as you start targeting them, and we start that conversation, it's like they're active. >> i don't know how anyone can resist you, rosario. talk about unstoppable. my god. here's the thing. are you actually latino? because i read your puerto rican, native american and irish. >> i am as well but no one confusing me for that. >> so you're irish masquerading a latino. >> i'm an american. that's what it is. i'm a mixed heritage american. >> i'm going to utter words i never thought i would. rosario dawson, let's talk trains. >> okay. let's do it. >> why should i be talking about trains? >> well, we have national train day which is the fifth one of its kind coming up may 12th. i'm the official spokesperson for national train day which i'm excited about. i love trains. i love train travel. i've been doing it in subway trains in new york city my entire life. taking trains every year now for white house correspondents. i take the train from d.c. up. >> is it the point that with gas prices soaring, gas guzzling cars on the increase, it's time for america to wake up, get real, get on the trains and start conserving that kind of wasted energy. >> it is one of the greener ways of traveling. but it's also just one of the most beautiful ways of traveling. i love the conversations that i have when i'm on a train. i love the view of america i get to have. i travel on trains around the world. when i'm in europe and you're on a speed train. you see fields then hit gra fooe tee and know you're about to hit paris. i travel all the time. >> what will happen getting on the subway and having you there? 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the reason i ask that -- welcome, first of all -- is there are two quotes about you that sprung out to me. one was from jeff toobin who said you are the best he has ever seen in a courtroom. and then other one was a poll recently which named you as one of the top ten toughest living jews in the world. which as an irish catholic boy, i've got to say i found impressive. how do you answer those two charges? >> well, in terms of being the best criminal defense lawyer, i leave that to others like jeff if they want to comment. i think i'm good at what i do. i think it'd be a reach to say i'm the best. i know some very criminal lawyers i think i'd run to if i were in trouble. so i don't think i'm the best. in terms of being a tough jew, i don't think i'm among the top ten. but i think i'm a tough jew and i'm proud of that fact. >> i like that. >> i like that. i've taken a lot of ribbing and a lot of people have challenged me to a fight. but it's flattering. >> you had a tough upbringing. your family escaped from a holocaust. you yourself grew up in brooklyn. you even waited tables in the catskills which is about as rough an upbringing as could be. but all this toughened you up to what you are today. how much of the scrappy kid we saw in the earlier days is down to that upbringing? >> i think a lot. i think being a serious person, even though you can have a great sense of humor being someone with a wonderful work ethic is one that was instilled with me early on. i worked in grade school, college, high school, law school. i've always worked. when you work you don't take things for granted. while people will say he's a good lawyer, i think i'm one of the hardest working lawyers in the country. and i know a lot of people who as good as i am, some better. i don't know anybody who has worked harder than i have. i know people who have worked as hard. so i think being a scrappy person as a kid, i think i've shaped up fairly well if i do say so myself. i take that as a compliment. i like i earned where i'm at today. i've been blessed and fortunate. >> when you take on many times like you do high-profile cases and the odds of getting an acquittal in any of your big cases are often loaded against you, doesn't happen that often. always a big deal when it happens. so what is the benjamin brafman template? what do you go through in your head? >> it's important for me whoever the client is even if they are powerful, important celebrity super star they understand i am in charge until the case is resolved. that this is not business as usual. you're having a heart attack, i'm the cardiologist and i want to know that you're going to follow my advice. >> on that paint, interesting you say that about the comparison. the cardiologist. because i've heard you say a great insightful remark about what you do. a great cardiologist treats somebody who's very sick. when you're very sick, everyone rallies around you. you're actually in a dark place but have huge support. when you're charged with a serious criminal offense, you don't have that. it's like a double blow, isn't it? when they come to you you may be the legal version of a cardiologist but you're dealing with people whose lives are in a terrible place and nobody cares. >> i'm usually the only one who really cares. i'm like a lifeboat. and i will tell you i think i have the hardest job of any professional. i'm not like cardiologists. i'm not even like an oncologist. no one's happy to see me when they first come there. unlike people who are sick, they have a support system in place. people rally for that support. i deal with the fact you're only looking at not only the loss of your freedom but public humiliation, loss of a career. it's devastating. i think i talked more people out of committing suicide than most psychologists in the world. i've had many people saying to me i'm better off if i were dead. i have to bite my tongue and say you're right. there the next few years, you're going to go through a living hell. we've got to save you and it's got to work perfectly. and there's got to be a divine intervention. you've got to be quiet for two years while everyone in the city and world perhaps is kicking the hell out of you. we've got to take it on the chin. >> do you have to believe 100% in the innocence of your client or is your job to ensure that the opposition, the prosecution can't prove 100% your client's guilty? >> everybo case is different. it's never my job to determine if my client is 100% guilty or 100% innocent. there is rarely black and white. there's a lot of gray. in a lot of my cases the facts are rarely in dispute, it's what was in the person's state of mind at the time. my job is to make it work fairly. we keep the government in check and we keep the system working properly. when you have the government on your tail, it's daunting. it's overwhelming. most people panic and it's unlike any other adversary. it's the government. it's the united states of america against x. and the only one standing next to x is me. and it's a daunting responsibility. >> having said that, when you believe overwhelmingly in a client's innocence for example p. diddy, it was so intense for you personally that when he was acquitted you wept for him. which is extraordinary. talk to me about what was going through your head. >> we were waiting for a verdict for hours and days. all of a sudden there was a verdict. i remember standing there thinking to myself here's a man who's innocent. he's put his life in my hands. i've done a good job. if i win this case, he is probably going to turn out to be one of the most successful african-american entrepreneurs over the history of the world. and he has. and if i lose this case he's going to lose everything. when they said the final not guilty, i thought i was having a stroke. i started to cry because the pressure was so thick you could grab it. i don't think i've ever been able to accurately describe what listening to a verdict means. not only to the person who's going to have that verdict announced in their own life but for someone like me. what separates me from a lot of people, i bring a lot of passion and sincerity to my work. i'm able to convey that. they get this guy is serious about his job. and sometimes it helps. >> want to take a short break. want to come back and talk to you about the high-profile cases raging at the moment. the george zimmerman and john edwards case. talk about what you would do to defend those men. but also about the dominique strauss-kahn case because i've got some strong feelings about that. i'm sure you do too. after the break. cancel golf today. 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>> i think it's a terrible law. i think it encourages vigilanteism. i think it creates these tragedies. even if george zimmerman is found not guilty, it doesn't mean what he did was good. at the end of the day what i'm frightened by as a citizen is the reaction of the public in the event he is acquitted. and based on the evidence i've seen to date and strong possibility that he might be found not guilty. certainly not guilty of murder. i think that was a terrible mistake by the prosecution to charge murder. there are so many other crimes that might be more natural fits. >> what do you make of the john edwards ka is? >> it's a sad case in many ways. i think the perception of edwards before this and the fall from grace was that he was a pretty good guy. i think this case has what i call bad cosmetics. cosmetics sometimes can overwhelm a case. even if the facts and facts and evidence don't. he comes into the courtroom, he has a child out of wedlock while his wife is dying of cancer. that's heavy baggage to bring into a courtroom, and sometimes the facts pale in comparison. >> he raises the point which i think was never more clear, the immediamedia is so overwhelming now have people tweeting from a courtroom, this gets picked up by bloggers. the court of public opinion decides a person's guilt within seconds. how difficult is it now to defend high profile people, politicians who are by nature polarizing when you have this kind of overwhelming media onslaught. >> it's much more difficult than it ever was. the instantaneous technology we all use and admire turns our court system on its head. they have eight second deadlines, they used to have 12 hour deadlines. they can't afford to wait because someone else is going to post it before they do. my objective is not to get a good press day, it's to get a good case. if you try this case in order to get a good press day and you lose the case, no one's going to remember the good press day when your client is convicted. if you keep quiet and try this case. in the process, you get some bad press days, when you win the case, no one's ever going to remember the good press day. there's a relentless barrage on you that's 24/7. on the dominique strauss-kahn case, at some point we were on the front page of every newspaper in the world, and what they were printing was wrong. >> the stakes couldn't have been higher. it may have cost him the presidency of kiln. by the time he was able to go home, it was all over. >> you're 100% right. in his case more than any, he would be president of kiln today if not for that case. i was asked once, what are the consequences, what's the damage, and how do you get back to your old life when it's over? i said, you don't, the damage is irreparable. dominique strauss-kahn will never enjoy the world respect he had before that case. at the end of the day, they did something very courageous by dismissing the case. it took a lot of guts to do that, it was the right decision, that case was fed by a media frenzy unlike any i've seen, i've been in the eye of the storm with michael jackson and p. diddy, and some heavy dudety people, this was the world out your door, and it was wrong. that's the only word i can think of, it was a bad case. in the whole scheme of things, it wasn't an earth shattering case, even if the allegations were real. it was not a world event. it was not the bribery, it was a private act. i could not imagine the frenzy that took off, and i learned a lot from it. >> what did he say to you at the end? >> god bless you, thank you. when you come to kiln, please visit. i will say this, he never lost his charm, he never lost his cool. he was very, very good as a client, he listened. he did not -- he listened to us, it was not easy to sit there and take one shot after another and not react. >> good luck. it's been a pleasure. >> thank you very much. coming up, only in america, a big dream rising from the ashes of ground zero. tonight's only in america, the most perfect example of what this new regular segment was designed for. a story that illustrates the unique quality and essence of the united states. on september 11th, 2001, america was hit by the worst terror attack. i flew over ground zero one month after it happened. i was shocked down to my core. it was a sickening sight. the big question that i and so many others had, how would america respond? today we got the answer, bigger and better than ever. this afternoon, one world trade center surpassed the empire state building as the tallest building in new york at 1,271 feet. with magnificent timing, this milestone was achieved on the first anniversary of osama bin ladin's death. >> no matter what the obstacle is we're faced with, we will survive. we can do this. it's a pride thing as an american, but more importantly, as a new yorker. >> the message from america those who wish to bring us harm, you may hurt us, damage us, you may even kill some of us. you will never ever beat us. that is the spirit that made america the world's greatest superpower. and ensures whatever disabilities are thrown its way, stays there for a long time to come. that's all for us tonight, ac 360 starts now. piers, thanks, it's 10:00 here on the east coast. good evening, everyone, we begin keeping them honest wit