forces or holding territory from isis forces. the purpose is to take back the country of syria. and you know look. you can't say that these folks that were raised let's say you're 30 years old. your dad may have been killed by bashar al assad. your family has been brutalized by him. no western power will come in and say, you can't fight him. the only people you can fight are the people we are an enemy with. they hate isis. they don't like isis. they also don't like bashar al assad who is the incubator of this problem in the first place. >> let me ask you, the president reiterates that it has to be local ground forces in iraq. the kurds, syrian rebels who have taken hold territory. we don't see that in iraq. the maps look largely the same. some progress in the northern part of syria by local kurds there. in your view since the local forces, since it is not delivering results, do you believe you have to put more u.s. troops on the ground to lead the way? >> i don't think we need u.s. troops to occupy territory. what i have said and this is